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1. 02:35 AM - Vs: [Fw: Vs: Builders photo's] (Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com)
2. 02:35 AM - Vs: Re: Builders photo's (Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com)
3. 05:47 AM - Silly Putty Welding (N5SL)
4. 07:13 AM - Re: Stabilizer Tips ()
5. 08:19 AM - Re: LRI Systems (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
6. 08:40 AM - Alcohol in Fuel (Maynard, Brad)
7. 08:56 AM - Re: Silly Putty Welding AOA LRI (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
8. 09:03 AM - Re: Painting (Paul Moore)
9. 09:39 AM - Re: Alcohol in Fuel (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
10. 10:04 AM - Re: Painting (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
11. 10:28 AM - Re: Painting (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 10:31 AM - Re: More Painting (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 10:52 AM - Silly Putty Welding (Debo Cox)
14. 10:55 AM - Re: Painting (Paul Moore)
15. 11:27 AM - Re: Painting (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
16. 12:33 PM - Re: LRI Systems (David Mikesell)
17. 03:33 PM - Re: Stabilizer Tips (Bill Naumuk)
18. 03:33 PM - Re: Stabilizer Tips (Bill Naumuk)
19. 03:52 PM - Re: Stabilizer Tips (Bill Naumuk)
20. 04:02 PM - Re: Stabilizer Tips (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
21. 04:33 PM - Re: Stabilizer Tips (Bill Naumuk)
22. 04:36 PM - HUMOR ALERT...delete as you see fit. (JOHN STARN)
23. 05:10 PM - Re: LRI Systems (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
24. 05:55 PM - Re: HUMOR ALERT...delete as you see fit. (jsimons2)
25. 06:45 PM - Re: LRI Systems (Craig Payne)
26. 07:33 PM - Fuel Sender Pics? (Michael Valentine)
27. 08:16 PM - Re: Stabilizer Tips (Noel Loveys)
28. 08:16 PM - Re: Stabilizer Tips (Noel Loveys)
29. 08:25 PM - Re: Fuel Sender Pics? (Paul Mulwitz)
30. 10:03 PM - HUMOR ALERT...delete as you see fit. Tall tale afoot (JOHN STARN)
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| Subject: | Builders photo's] |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com
> I looks like you got the hang of welding.
Almost :-) I don't want to count how many "Argon-bottles" it had taken...
One 30 liter "bottle" cost's about 100U$ from AGA reseller.
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| Subject: | Builders photo's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com
>Looking good, is there any chance of you making it to Oshkosh this year?
>
>Mark Townsend
To Oskosh from Finland with CH701 :-) I think, I can only dream of it :-)
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| Subject: | Silly Putty Welding |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Fellow Builders:
I've been doing quite a bit of welding while building
my canopy arms the last few days. I rarely use my MIG
(wire-feed) welder but yesterday I had a chance to use
it and it came in real handy.
I'm working on my canopy latches and each one has
three springs inside that I thought would disintegrate
if I tried to weld near them. I know that if I used
my gas welder, the time to heat up the parts would
ruin the springs. This left me with the idea of using
the wire-feed welder a little at a time to avoid
building up too much heat.
I still didn't feel comfortable welding near the
springs so I decided to try something. I spotted my
handy, Silly Putty egg on the shelf and decided to use
the putty to shield the springs. It worked great!
The springs weren't even discolored after welding
milimeters away from them.
I posted picturs here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_6_06_Canopy_Latch1.JPG
and here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_6_06_Canopy_Latch2.JPG
You can see the residue from the Silly Putty on the
second picture near the spring. I do have less Silly
Putty now for hole spotting because it gets burned up
in the process, but the springs are still working and
I'm one step closer to installing my canopy.
Happy Building,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer Tips |
Cc: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Actually, the redneck comedy of Ron White is more appropriate for experimental
aircraft builders. Consider the routine about a commuter airliner flying along
at the speed of smell, and the observation that the second engine is good to
get you all the way to the scene of the crash. If fact you make such good time
on that one engine that you'll beat the paramedics to the crash site by almost
an hour.
Ed
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---- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
> If anyone knows Jeff Foxworthy, forward this-
> You may be a redneck when, even though you're building an AIRPLANE, you
need a batch of conibear beaver traps on your workbench to keep your neighbors
away from your tools..........
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Ron, thanks for the photos. I know Scott. I met him at S n F. Seemed like a
fine fellow and smart as can be. You say he's making these systems for sale ? I
will try to contact him, best to you, Bill
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Some interesting reading about Alcohol in Fuel:
Note the info about oil & two strokes.
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/rfg/waterphs.pdf#search='water%20pha
se%20separation
Brad
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| Subject: | Re: Silly Putty Welding AOA LRI |
Scott, good idea. I have used wet red clay as a cold pak to protect threads
and such when welding. Also protects from metal splatter. Course you folks up
north may not have any red clay ?? I get mine from the back yard. I heard from
Ron D that he received his LRI from you. Are you still making them ? I have a
new hole in my panel and an AOA LRI would be a fine addition. Hope to hear
from you, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
It came up at $14.99 this morning. The detail gun is down to $39.99
(46719-1VGA)
Paul
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----- Original Message -----
> HF now has the primer gun on sale (20 oz gravity feed spray gun part #
> 47016) for $19.99...Not bad...I'm looking out for the HVLP touch up gun
> to go on sale.
>
> Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Alcohol in Fuel |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ihab.awad@gmail.com
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/rfg/waterphs.pdf#search='water%20phase%20separation
Wow, that was an interesting use of an HTTP fragment specification to
invoke a search in the PDF reader. I learn something new every day....
Thanks for the tip!
Ihab
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Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I could not determine if the detail gun is indeed the true HVLP gun or
not...It says its HVLP but then lists the required pressure as 43psi.
This would defiantly make it NOT HVLP.
Notice the $60 detail gun (90978-2vga) list the required pressure as
29psi...Which is what my big HVLP gun requires.
Do you know for sure this is the HVLP gun?...I have a friend going HF
this evening...:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Moore
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
It came up at $14.99 this morning. The detail gun is down to $39.99
(46719-1VGA)
Paul
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----- Original Message -----
> HF now has the primer gun on sale (20 oz gravity feed spray gun part #
> 47016) for $19.99...Not bad...I'm looking out for the HVLP touch up
> gun to go on sale.
>
> Frank
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
In reading this further I see they list the Cap pressure (which ssume is
nozzle pressure) of 10psi...I think this is what defines and HVLP as an
HVLP gun!
OK I'll have my buddy pick one up and I'll try it out...I have the
borrowed one so it would be a good side by side comparison. I should
have some trim I could paint tomorrow so I will report back on how well
it works...If its like the one I borrowed its just so sweet..More like
an airbrush than a spray gun...:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde,
Frank George (Corvallis)
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Painting
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I could not determine if the detail gun is indeed the true HVLP gun or
not...It says its HVLP but then lists the required pressure as 43psi.
This would defiantly make it NOT HVLP.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I noticed that when spraying a lot (and breathing the compressor air),
the compressor is working hard and the receiver tank gets warm. This
means I will get water at the gun when it comes to painting really big
things like the fuse or wings.
I will be buying the HF 5 gallon ai tank and welding on a couple of
fittings. With a garden hose set to trickle over the outside of the tank
this will make a superb water trap!
Frank
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| Subject: | Silly Putty Welding |
Just a thought from burning some of the stuff I work with. Make sure you don't
inhale burnt Silly Putty fumes. Could be toxic, and I couldn't find it on my periodic
table of the elements ;)
Debo
"I know enough karate to get my ass kicked. - DC"
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
No Frank, I don't know for sure. I would think though with it being gravity
fed, and smaller nozzle orifice implies lower liquid flow, you could get by
with much less than 43psi.
Paul
----- Original Message ----- >
> Do you know for sure this is the HVLP gun?...I have a friend going HF
> this evening...:)
>
> Frank
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Actually no you won't...Well "getting away with" is not a term that
works when pinting an airplane. Remember I only got good results by
turning UP the pressure. The 20Oz gun requires (they say) 28psi...I got
marginal to poor results (i.e BAD orange peel) at 28psi and excellent
results at 50 psi.
I tried 55psi this morning but the results did not improve so I will go
back to 50psi from now on.
The touch up gun I also run at 50psi and the results were just stunning.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Moore
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
No Frank, I don't know for sure. I would think though with it being
gravity fed, and smaller nozzle orifice implies lower liquid flow, you
could get by with much less than 43psi.
Paul
----- Original Message ----- >
> Do you know for sure this is the HVLP gun?...I have a friend going HF
> this evening...:)
>
> Frank
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I would like to get one too, who do we contact?
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems
Ron, thanks for the photos. I know Scott. I met him at S n F. Seemed
like a fine fellow and smart as can be. You say he's making these
systems for sale ? I will try to contact him, best to you, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer Tips |
I got plenty of no sophistication! ( Try and label THAT statement
grammatically!!)
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Bryant
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Tips
Being a redneck has nothing to do with education... Being a redneck
is the glorious absence of sophistication.
:-)
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Tips
No, I don't consider myself a redneck- in fact, I have 3 college
degrees. Just don't mess with my shop!
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer Tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Was that Ron White or Bill Engval?
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Cc: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Tips
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
>
> Actually, the redneck comedy of Ron White is more appropriate for
> experimental aircraft builders. Consider the routine about a commuter
> airliner flying along at the speed of smell, and the observation that the
> second engine is good to get you all the way to the scene of the crash. If
> fact you make such good time on that one engine that you'll beat the
> paramedics to the crash site by almost an hour.
>
> Ed
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ---- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>> If anyone knows Jeff Foxworthy, forward this-
>> You may be a redneck when, even though you're building an AIRPLANE,
>> you need a batch of conibear beaver traps on your workbench to keep your
>> neighbors away from your tools..........
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer Tips |
John-
Degrees or conibears?
Having 3 degrees just proves that by the time you graduate with one,
the bar has been raised and you have to get another. Having 3 conibears
on your workbench means you still have all your tools, and there are a
batch of moochers walking around in casts.
Sheesh! When I hit the wall (Or more accurately, the size of the
basement door) I couldn't wait to get started on the garanger. Now that
I've hit the wall on the garanger (Waiting and waiting and waiting for a
garage door) I can't wait to get back to work on the plane.
With the entire list as my witness, I swear I will never contract
out anything I know I can do myself. If I would have just had the pad
poured and let it go at that, I'd be done by now.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer Tips |
Bill:
You are so right - waiting around to see a job completed is the worst part !!
Although, installing a garage door (IMHO) is not easy and I'd sub it out to
a pro anyday.
By the way - what's a 'garanger' ? A garage/ ???
Thanks !!
Tracy Smith
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In a message dated 6/7/2006 6:54:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
naumuk@alltel.net writes:
John-
Degrees or conibears?
Having 3 degrees just proves that by the time you graduate with one, the bar
has been raised and you have to get another. Having 3 conibears on your
workbench means you still have all your tools, and there are a batch of moochers
walking around in casts.
Sheesh! When I hit the wall (Or more accurately, the size of the
basement door) I couldn't wait to get started on the garanger. Now that I've hit
the
wall on the garanger (Waiting and waiting and waiting for a garage door) I
can't wait to get back to work on the plane.
With the entire list as my witness, I swear I will never contract out
anything I know I can do myself. If I would have just had the pad poured and
let it go at that, I'd be done by now.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer Tips |
Tracy-
GARagehANGER. I plan on trailering the plane to a local airport and
putting it up in the communal hangar during flying season, then bringing
it home at the end of the season for annual, etc. We really only have 6
months of flying around here, except for the uncomfortable kind. If I
wanted to taxi down the road and fly off my neighbor's field, I could do
it in a 701, but not a 601. I TOLD you people I live out in the middle
of nowhere! Plan on building Larry Mac's wing installation jig.
I designed and built my own home with no other help than my father
in law, and he was 70 at the time. Best alarm clock you could ask for-
couldn't have done it without him.
Contracted out the foundation (I can't lay a block to save my life),
and built everything else. Got the building permit on May 17, and moved
in November 19th the same year. Missed 4 days of work, as I remember.
The last gargage door I installed (About 3 years ago), it took me a
weekend, including the opener.
Uh, think about it. If you're crazy enough to take on building your
own plane, a garage door is a piece of cake.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: Crvsecretary@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Tips
Bill:
You are so right - waiting around to see a job completed is the worst
part !!
Although, installing a garage door (IMHO) is not easy and I'd sub it
out to a pro anyday.
By the way - what's a 'garanger' ? A garage/ ???
Thanks !!
Tracy Smith
definitely do not archive
In a message dated 6/7/2006 6:54:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
naumuk@alltel.net writes:
John-
Degrees or conibears?
Having 3 degrees just proves that by the time you graduate with
one, the bar has been raised and you have to get another. Having 3
conibears on your workbench means you still have all your tools, and
there are a batch of moochers walking around in casts.
Sheesh! When I hit the wall (Or more accurately, the size of the
basement door) I couldn't wait to get started on the garanger. Now that
I've hit the wall on the garanger (Waiting and waiting and waiting for a
garage door) I can't wait to get back to work on the plane.
With the entire list as my witness, I swear I will never
contract out anything I know I can do myself. If I would have just had
the pad poured and let it go at that, I'd be done by now.
Bill
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| Subject: | HUMOR ALERT...delete as you see fit. |
The level of your sophistication appears to be only slightly higher than
of the underside of a Crotalus scutulatus. Do Not Archive KABONG HRII
8*)
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I got plenty of no sophistication! ( Try and label THAT statement
grammatically!!)
Bill
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David, write Scott here on the list. He is looking for a couple more
potential LRI 'wanters' to set up his machinery to make the probes. best to you,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: HUMOR ALERT...delete as you see fit. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Hmmmmmm, I wonder how you know the height of a Northern Mojave Rattlesnakes belly?
Hehehehe
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39261#39261
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For those who are inclined to buy rather than build here are links to
commercially available lift or angle-of-attack indicators (in rough order of
increasing price):
http://www.liftreserve.com/ - probe-based
http://www.lriaoa.com - probe-based
http://www.hciaviation.com/prod-aoa-a.shtml - vane-based
<http://www.riteangle.com/RiteAngle/riteangleIIIb.htm>
http://www.riteangle.com/RiteAngle/riteangleIIIb.htm - vane-based
<http://advanced-control-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html>
http://advanced-control-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html - uses flush
probes
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Fuel Sender Pics? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
I would very much appreciate if someone could post (or send me
directly) a *close up* of their fuel sender showing what can be
removed/filed away to make it fit under the skin. Despite their
excellent galleries, I can't quite tell from sites like Scott's or
Lance's.
Thanks in advance!
Michael
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You mean none you will admit to ;^}
Noel
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Tips
SMILEYS?....Not on My RV project, no sir....At least none that you can
see...;)
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Frank
601 HDS 400 hours
RV7a..Painting....HF HVLP spray guns are excellent!
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Trainnut01@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Tips
Michael
I got the Superfil From ACS. It was left over from my RV. (Its also great
for hiding rivet gun smiley's.)
Carroll
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Even the tips on the Cessna's don't fit to perfection. The Superfil is
probably an excellent idea as the composite tips and the metal stab will
have differing flexibilities and the Superfil will probably protect from
later cracking of the tips.
Noel
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Trainnut01@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Tips
Tim-
I think we all experienced that problem. On mine I got as close as
possible, filled with Poly-Fibre Superfil and then sanded to a "pleasing
contour." Not flying yet but it sure looks good.
Carroll
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender Pics? |
Michael,
Here is a picture of one of my fuel senders. I didn't have to remove
anything to get it to fit under the skin on my 601XL. The part is a
Volkswagen sender supplied as part of my wing kit from ZAC and uses a
flat spade electrical connector.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
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>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
>
>I would very much appreciate if someone could post (or send me
>directly) a *close up* of their fuel sender showing what can be
>removed/filed away to make it fit under the skin. Despite their
>excellent galleries, I can't quite tell from sites like Scott's or
>Lance's.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Michael
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| Subject: | HUMOR ALERT...delete as you see fit. Tall tale afoot |
Cc: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
We be a haven lots a dese critters in the desert area of Apple Valley,
Calif. We calls'em Mojave Green and they are ONLY 12 times as deadly as an
everyday sidewinder & unlike most snakes they WILL come after ya'll.
Bad news with a bad attitude. Local paper runs a full section on them every
summer.
'bout 6 years ago I was so low I walked under one with my top hat on and
never touched the belly skin. But I'm kinda better now. KABONG Do Not
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:51 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: HUMOR ALERT...delete as you see fit.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
>
> Hmmmmmm, I wonder how you know the height of a Northern Mojave
> Rattlesnakes belly? Hehehehe
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