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1. 06:08 AM - Help! (Riveting) (Jaybannist@cs.com)
2. 07:35 AM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (N5SL)
3. 08:06 AM - Re: LRI Systems (Roger Roy)
4. 08:49 AM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
5. 08:49 AM - Re: LRI Systems (Craig Payne)
6. 08:55 AM - 701 windshield and window installation (Geoff Heap)
7. 08:57 AM - Re: LRI Systems (Randy Bryant)
8. 09:16 AM - Re: LRI Systems (N5SL)
9. 10:24 AM - Re: 701 windshield (Zed Smith)
10. 10:25 AM - Re: 701 windshield and window installation ()
11. 10:26 AM - 601XL Work Recliner (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
12. 10:34 AM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (Gary Boothe)
13. 10:38 AM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (Jim Hoak)
14. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: 701 windshield (Jim Hoak)
15. 11:07 AM - Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Tom and Bren Henderson)
16. 11:08 AM - looking for 701 amphib float kit (Russ GREENWAY)
17. 11:27 AM - Re: Help! (Riveting) ()
18. 11:28 AM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (Rick Tedford)
19. 11:33 AM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (Al Young)
20. 11:33 AM - Re: 701 windshield and window installation (LarryMcFarland)
21. 12:45 PM - Re: Gun Drilling (Zed Smith)
22. 12:58 PM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (john H)
23. 01:09 PM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (Craig Payne)
24. 02:12 PM - Re: 701 windshield and window installation (Geoff Heap)
25. 02:12 PM - Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Geoff Heap)
26. 02:19 PM - Re: 701 windshield (Geoff Heap)
27. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Tom and Bren Henderson)
28. 02:59 PM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (Zodie Rocket)
29. 02:59 PM - 701 windshield washers (Zed Smith)
30. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Craig Payne)
31. 03:27 PM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (Matt & Jo)
32. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Robin Bellach)
33. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: 701 windshield (LarryMcFarland)
34. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Samm Munn)
35. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Tom and Bren Henderson)
36. 07:35 PM - 2nd Annual Zodiac Fly-In [very un-official] at Sentimental Journey (WAYNE BEATTIE)
37. 07:37 PM - Brake Squeal fixes anyone? (Jim Frisby)
38. 08:51 PM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (ROBERT SCEPPA)
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| Subject: | Help! (Riveting) |
Help! Need Advice!
I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the rear bottom skin to the
angles & longerons. I have also riveted the firewall. Otherwise, I just have
lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen nothing in the guidelines
about riveting.
How far does one have to go on setting clecoes without riveting? I just
can't feature having the whole fuselage assembled with clecoes, then taking it
all
apart to deburr and prime.
Is that what I must do, or are there some parts that can be riveted without
interfering with later construction?
Anxious - Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Help! (Riveting) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Jay:
I feel your pain brother! This has got to be the most
difficult place to get past. Just ask Gig Giacona.
He and I fretted over this for a while, then I just
started riveting parts together.
If you think it through and study your plans you can
get comfortable with how much you want to rivet and
how much you want to leave cleco'd. In my case it was
when I ran out of clecos. Just remember the worst
case is that you have to drive out and drill a few
rivets. I went a long way before having to do that,
but here near the end I've become a real pro at it!
Take a small punch and knock out the stem, then drill
off the head, then the hole. It takes seconds to do
the whole process. Remove the head from the drill bit
with a gloved hand.
Back to the riveting - plan it out and move forward
with some riveting. I had to crawl into the baggage
area and do some creative drilling later when I
installed my seat belts and my ELT, so plan ahead for
this.
I fretted this for two weeks, then went from this:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/9_19_04_FrontSkin.JPG
to this:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/9_19_04_Riveted.jpg
in one afternoon.
Don't let it slow you down - plan, then move forward.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Building Canopy Frame
--- Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> Help! Need Advice!
>
> I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the
> rear bottom skin to the
> angles & longerons. I have also riveted the
> firewall. Otherwise, I just have
> lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen
> nothing in the guidelines
> about riveting.
>
> How far does one have to go on setting clecoes
> without riveting? I just
> can't feature having the whole fuselage assembled
> with clecoes, then taking it all
> apart to deburr and prime.
>
> Is that what I must do, or are there some parts that
> can be riveted without
> interfering with later construction?
>
> Anxious - Jay in Dallas
>
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Craig, where can a set of plans be purchased?
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne<mailto:craig@craigandjean.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LRI Systems
For those who are inclined to buy rather than build here are links to
commercially available lift or angle-of-attack indicators (in rough
order of increasing price):
http://www.liftreserve.com/<http://www.liftreserve.com/> - probe-based
http://www.lriaoa.com<http://www.lriaoa.com/> - probe-based
http://www.hciaviation.com/prod-aoa-a.shtml<http://www.hciaviation.com/pr
od-aoa-a.shtml> - vane-based
http://www.riteangle.com/RiteAngle/riteangleIIIb.htm<http://www.riteangle
com/RiteAngle/riteangleIIIb.htm> - vane-based
http://advanced-control-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html<http://advanced
-control-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html> - uses flush probes
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Help! (Riveting) |
Jay, I agree with Scott. And the point he's emphasizing is that you have to
read way ahead, visualize all your following steps for installation of stuff
and plan out how your going to get there. Always factoring whether will riveting
something hinder that accessibility? We have all been there. I found a cold
beer to be an excellent lubricant for visualizing and planing. Try it setting
in the shade, looking at you obsession with the breathless expectation of
soaring thru the blue, smile on you face and a song of joy and pleasure in your
heart. Worked for me. Best to you, Bill of Georgia
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>> Craig, where can a set of plans be purchased?
You can see them here for free:
http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm
http://glasairproject.com/docs/AirsoobLRI.pdf
http://glasairproject.com/docs/lri.bmp
-- Craig
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| Subject: | 701 windshield and window installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Hi Guys. You guys that have installed your windows. The photo guide for the 801
goes into more detail, for instance they tell you to open the holes in the
acrylic to .25 and use poly tube cutoffs from the brake lines for bushings. No
mention of this in the 701 photo guide. Is this the better way to do it ? What
say you who have gone before..........Geoff.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39370#39370
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You can get the plans from: http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm
Just my opinion, but you'd be better off buying the probe from Scott
Laughlin for $50.00 and then just buying the guage from another
source... It would be very hard to make this probe for any less $$$ if
you count materials and time... Scott is a subscriber of this list...
Shoot him an email and get your order in, he's tooling up now to make a
batch...
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Roy
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems
Craig, where can a set of plans be purchased?
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LRI Systems
For those who are inclined to buy rather than build here are links
to commercially available lift or angle-of-attack indicators (in rough
order of increasing price):
http://www.liftreserve.com/ - probe-based
http://www.lriaoa.com - probe-based
http://www.hciaviation.com/prod-aoa-a.shtml - vane-based
http://www.riteangle.com/RiteAngle/riteangleIIIb.htm - vane-based
http://advanced-control-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html - uses
flush probes
-- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Roger:
Mark Townsend and David Barth posted the plans at
www.ch601.org under "Builder Resources." Here's the
link:
http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
working on canopy frame
--- Roger Roy <savannah174@msn.com> wrote:
> Craig, where can a set of plans be purchased?
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protection around
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| Subject: | Re: 701 windshield |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Yes to all the above......
If ZAC supplied the "trim washers" (chrome thingys) you will also have some screws
that resemble wood screws.
I do not recall exactly how big I made the holes in the Plexiglas, but you would
want to first drill 1/8" holes, use a Cleco in some holes to keep things straight
as you fit & trim.....only AFTER everything fits would you enlarge the holes.
Think mine ended up being 1/4" or maybe larger; slept since that part of
the project.
At any rate, the holes will accomodate the screw, the tubing cushion, and allow
for some slight bit of space.
Another fellow advised to "center" all the screws within the Plexiglas holes so
as not to have the windshield in a bind against one corner, etc. Again, get
it to fit properly with only the 1/8" holes & Clecos before enlarging.
Pay close attention to dressing the inside of the final holes. You can tightly
roll a piece of very fine abrasive paper and sand inside.
Another builder told me he used some sort of synthetic rubber pad under the washers
and under the windshield at each hole to prevent chafing. Said the pads
were rubbery heat sink pads which were intended to go under power transistors.
Trimmed them into circles with a hollow punch.
Regards,
Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc/do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 701 windshield and window installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <joeing701@internet.is>
Hello Geoff.
I used the 801 method on my 701 and after 50 hours of flight, no problems with
the windshield. I highly reccomend this method, becaue the price of the
windshield for me up here in Iceland was high because of shipping cost of the
large and heavy box.
To avoid the windshiled from cracking, it will safe you time and money to use
the poly tubes throught the window.
Regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
Z 701
>
> Hi Guys. You guys that have installed your windows. The photo guide for the
> 801 goes into more detail, for instance they tell you to open the holes in
> the acrylic to .25 and use poly tube cutoffs from the brake lines for
> bushings. No mention of this in the 701 photo guide. Is this the better way
> to do it ? What say you who have gone before..........Geoff.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39370#39370
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| Subject: | 601XL Work Recliner |
Thread, I think I posted the 3 photos of the work recliner last night on the
Thread. Does anybody have it ? Or did I send them to cyber-hell ? Bill
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| Subject: | 601XL Work Recliner |
What work recliner?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner
Thread, I think I posted the 3 photos of the work recliner last night on the
Thread. Does anybody have it ? Or did I send them to cyber-hell ? Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Work Recliner |
Bill,
I never saw them
Jim Hoak
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner
Thread, I think I posted the 3 photos of the work recliner last night
on the Thread. Does anybody have it ? Or did I send them to cyber-hell
? Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 701 windshield |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
List,
I agree with all that Zed said. I'll add, be carefull to not over tighten
the screws. Better loose than too tight. Check them with a screwdriver
occasionally. I didn't use rubber under the screw heads, but did use the
rubber inserts in the polished hole in the Lexan. 515 hours on my 601HD
canopy and no cracks - YET.
Jim Hoak
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zed Smith" <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:18 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: Re: 701 windshield
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> Yes to all the above......
>
> If ZAC supplied the "trim washers" (chrome thingys) you will also have
> some screws that resemble wood screws.
>
> I do not recall exactly how big I made the holes in the Plexiglas, but you
> would want to first drill 1/8" holes, use a Cleco in some holes to keep
> things straight as you fit & trim.....only AFTER everything fits would you
> enlarge the holes. Think mine ended up being 1/4" or maybe larger; slept
> since that part of the project.
>
> At any rate, the holes will accomodate the screw, the tubing cushion, and
> allow for some slight bit of space.
> Another fellow advised to "center" all the screws within the Plexiglas
> holes so as not to have the windshield in a bind against one corner, etc.
> Again, get it to fit properly with only the 1/8" holes & Clecos before
> enlarging.
> Pay close attention to dressing the inside of the final holes. You can
> tightly roll a piece of very fine abrasive paper and sand inside.
>
> Another builder told me he used some sort of synthetic rubber pad under
> the washers and under the windshield at each hole to prevent chafing.
> Said the pads were rubbery heat sink pads which were intended to go under
> power transistors. Trimmed them into circles with a hollow punch.
>
> Regards,
>
> Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc/do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Gun Drilling of Main Gear |
Does anyone have reference photos or internet links that depict the location
of the brake lines drilled in the 601 XL gear? I have material on the way for
the gear, but I don't like the idea of external brake lines. My question is,
where is the best location to enter and exit the gear for the internal line?
Has anyone either purchased gun drilled gear, or had it done who might be able
to shed some light on the subject?
Thanks in advance,
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| Subject: | looking for 701 amphib float kit |
Been looking for a built 701/801 amphib with no luck, so I am now
looking for a complete amphib float kit to add to a 701 that I am
interested in purchasing. Preferably used for a used 701.
thanks for the help in advance.
Russ Greenway
kylepilot@msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: Help! (Riveting) |
Ah. welcome to the brotherhood of the confused. We all go through tha
t. Just think ahead, plan to run your wirin for the strobe, taillight,
trim, etc.even if you only run string through the holes and later pul
l wire and cable. Since I was scratch building my fuselage, I made my
elevator and rudder cables in two parts, with turnbuckles in the rear
fuselage, and a fairly large access hatch close to them in the bottom
skin. You might also consider only riveting the left or right side of
the top skins, and finishing the job when all cables and wires have b
een strung.=0A=0APaul Rodriguez=0A601XL/Corvair=0A -----
Original Message ----- =0A From: Jaybannist@cs.com<mailto:Jaybanni
st@cs.com> =0A To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@ma
tronics.com> =0A Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:02 AM=0A Subj
ect: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting)=0A=0A=0A Help! Need Advic
e! =0A=0A I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the r
ear bottom skin to the angles & longerons. I have also riveted the fir
ewall. Otherwise, I just have lots & lots of installed clecoes and I
have seen nothing in the guidelines about riveting.=0A=0A How f
ar does one have to go on setting clecoes without riveting? I just ca
n't feature having the whole fuselage assembled with clecoes, then tak
ing it all apart to deburr and prime. =0A=0A Is that what I mu
st do, or are there some parts that can be riveted without interfering
with later construction?=0A=0A Anxious - Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Work Recliner |
Hello Bill : Never received the photos
Best regards
Rick Tedford
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner
Thread, I think I posted the 3 photos of the work recliner last night
on the Thread. Does anybody have it ? Or did I send them to cyber-hell
? Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Help! (Riveting) |
Jay- The best answer I can give you is the longer you wait before
actually riveting the better off you'll be. Tha doesn't mean that you
can't debur and prime as you go, just put the clecos back until you need
some, then just rivet from the rear forward. The bottom longrens can be
riveted along with the rear fuselage (see 6B4) as soon as you have
finished the cable outlet fairings and the 6B3-3 and 6B3-4 attachment
brackets. Have fun- it's worth it.
Regards,
Al Young N601AY
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting)
Help! Need Advice!
I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the rear bottom skin
to the angles & longerons. I have also riveted the firewall. Otherwise,
I just have lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen nothing in
the guidelines about riveting.
How far does one have to go on setting clecoes without riveting? I
just can't feature having the whole fuselage assembled with clecoes,
then taking it all apart to deburr and prime.
Is that what I must do, or are there some parts that can be riveted
without interfering with later construction?
Anxious - Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: 701 windshield and window installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Geoff,
I used the rubber cutoffs for the screws on my canopy for the 601 and
recommend it because it keeps the screws from
pressing into the acrylic while it expands and contracts. Not as much
work as you might suspect. Cut off the lengths
just 25% longer than the thickness of the canopy and select the rubber
tubing for a good fit on the screws.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Geoff Heap wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
>
>Hi Guys. You guys that have installed your windows. The photo guide for the
801 goes into more detail, for instance they tell you to open the holes in the
acrylic to .25 and use poly tube cutoffs from the brake lines for bushings. No
mention of this in the 701 photo guide. Is this the better way to do it ? What
say you who have gone before..........Geoff.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39370#39370
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| Subject: | Re: Gun Drilling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Some days ago there was a mention on this list of gun-drilled gear. I knew WHAT
it was, but had no idea HOW it was done.
Do a Google for GUN DRILLING. Lots of hits. Machine shops that do it and manufacturers
of the equipment.
You'll learn how it is done and what it takes to do it. Interesting!
Drilling those holes around the bends is the really neat part.
Also, one of the firms I looked at does aircraft landing gear as a specialty.
They offer choices as to front, rear, top, bottom, etc, for the tapped holes.
Sorry, but I didn't make note of any of the web addresses.
Regards,
Zed
r
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| Subject: | 601XL Work Recliner |
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| Subject: | 601XL Work Recliner |
Send them to the photo archives. That way they can be found in the future.
Attachments, though recently enabled, are not automatically archived.
http://www.matronics.com/enclosures.html/
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 701 windshield and window installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Thanks Johann and Larry. Thats pretty clear cut, you both suggest the same as I
was thinking. I'm happy to go ahead with the windows now.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39432#39432
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| Subject: | Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
I know that Gun drilling is expensive if you contract it out to a shop...Geoff
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 701 windshield |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Thanks for the info Zed. It fits with what Johann and Larry answered in their replies
to my post. I did get the chrome thingies and wood screws :? Where do I
get more. Anyone know?
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| Subject: | Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear |
A local shop has cut me a deal since we do so much business with them through
work. He can have it done in a weekend, providing I can give him an entry
and exit point for the line. That's where I'm stuck. Since this isn't in the
Zenith design, and it's proven very difficult to find any references online,
It sounds like I'll have to just use my best judgement. I was just hoping to
follow in someone else's footsteps. Oh well, I guess that's part of homebuilding,
setting off into new territory!
Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff
Heap"
I know that Gun drilling is expensive if you contract it out to a shop...Geoff
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Help! (Riveting) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Hi Everyone, as you all know Jon Croke is once again airborne, for those
of you who are not familiar with Jon's story please click here
http://www.ch601.org/stories/croke_crash.htm
For those of you who know the story click here
www.ch701.com
Keep in mind that this is the same spot and departure that Jon first
noticed his original problem. I give the man credit for rebuilding a
project completely after the first incident and I must say he has
titanium balls for departing on the same route that claimed his first
bird !!!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | 701 windshield washers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
In the world of racked-up communications equipment we call them "cupped finishing
washers", can also be listed as "cup washer" or variants thereof.
Most are actually nickel plated, rather than chrome.
Don't have source at hand, but they may be available at (oh how I hate to say this)
Radio Shack...heavy on the shack part.
Screws need to NOT be dissimilar metals, but do require the "countersunk" head.
Oval top is optional.
Note that your screws "taper" as a wood screw.....any decent hardware store might
be a source.
do not archive
Regards,
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear |
Isn't the Grove gear for Zenith gun-drilled? If so you could take some hints
from it.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Help! (Riveting) |
I waited to rivet most of the fuselage and spent a lot of time with the
forward skins clecoed. I was glad I did. It really helped to be able
to have access with the skins off to assemble the flight controls, fuel
system and brakes. I used the laser level a lot and really was able to
make sure everything was lined up. Just finished riveting most of it
last week.
You can check my web site
Cheers
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting)
Help! Need Advice!
I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the rear bottom skin
to the angles & longerons. I have also riveted the firewall. Otherwise,
I just have lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen nothing in
the guidelines about riveting.
How far does one have to go on setting clecoes without riveting? I
just can't feature having the whole fuselage assembled with clecoes,
then taking it all apart to deburr and prime.
Is that what I must do, or are there some parts that can be riveted
without interfering with later construction?
Anxious - Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear |
Last time I checked, Grove charged $100 extra for gun drilling.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear
Isn't the Grove gear for Zenith gun-drilled? If so you could take some
hints from it.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 701 windshield |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Geoff,
The washers are 100-deg recess head or low profile washers sized 6 or 8
as you need.
The screws are phillips head 100-degree sheet metal screws sized to match.
See Aircraft Spruce catalog page 98. 2005 issue.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Geoff Heap wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
>
>Thanks for the info Zed. It fits with what Johann and Larry answered in their
replies to my post. I did get the chrome thingies and wood screws :? Where do
I get more. Anyone know?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39434#39434
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear |
$150.00 (I checked today)
Samm Munn, Zenith 601XL, Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Bellach
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear
Last time I checked, Grove charged $100 extra for gun drilling.
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| Subject: | Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear |
Their price is fairly reasonable if you don't have access to the machinery
necessary to do the job yourself. The problem is they want $910 for the gear
BEFORE they have the brake lines drilled in. A joke. You can pick up the material
for $350 locally, and have it machined, formed, edge radii added, etc for
another $250. That's a difference of just about one Airspeed Indicator. I'll
go the 'do it yourself' route and fill my panel as I'm doing it, thank you.
Samm Munn <heliav8r@swbell.net> wrote: $150.00 (I checked today)
Samm Munn, Zenith 601XL, Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Bellach
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear
Last time I checked, Grove charged $100 extra for gun drilling.
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| Subject: | 2nd Annual Zodiac Fly-In [very un-official] at Sentimental |
Journey
Jeff Small and I would like to remind you all that the Sentimental Journey Fly-In
at Lock Haven, PA is coming up June 21st through 24th.
Last year we had 7 Zodiacs fly in from various east coast locations to make the
1st Annual Zodiac Fly-In official. Sort of official anyway. Nothing official
or connected to Zenith Aircraft Co., just a few builders and flyers joining up
in a central location for some fun and occasional tall tales.
You can bring your camping gear as Jeff and I did, or find a hotel room if you
would like to stay a couple of days.
The Sentimental Journey Fly-In is really a Piper Aircraft gathering, but lots of
other interesting classics, antiques and homebuilts show up. And the occasional
warbird as well over the several years I have attended. There is a Stearman
Convention at the same time as well. There is good (and cheap!) food on the
grounds from several local vendors, hot showers, and nightly musical entertainment
(with a bar). You can fly all day from dawn to dusk with no restriction due
to airshows. Fuel (100 LL) is available via roaming trucks. And there are both
paved and grass runways as well! And lots of great flying around the hills
and farm fields of the area. I've found a few Amish farms in the next valley
where they put horsepower to good use.
Last year all of the display parking area was filled up with 300+ airplanes the
first couple of days. Jeff got a verbal commitment from the officials that if
there were enough Zodiacs committed to fly in this year, we could block out some
parking spots together. If you can commit to coming in the next week or so,
respond to this E-Mail and I will start a list and see how many we can get.
Name and tail number would be enough information. I would have make contact with
the S.J. folks by next Friday (June 16th) to let them know if we need space.
It would be great to have a bunch join up again. Let me know soon.
Do a Yahoo or Google search on Sentimental Journey Lock Haven to see what the Piper
Fly-In is all about.
There were pictures in the July/August (I think) Zenith Newsletter showing last
year's gathering.
Somewhere on the Zenith website is a picture of my airplane in a sea of Cub Yellow.
Look forward to seeing everyone.
Wayne
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| Subject: | Brake Squeal fixes anyone? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
My CH801 has the double puck/piston brakes supplied by ZAC. I seasoned the
brake pads in the usual way, but they squeal loudly anytime I apply enough
braking to stop from a normal taxi or faster.
Any suggestions as to what I should check to find the reason for this?
Thanks
Jim Frisby
Palmer, AK
N801ZA
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| Subject: | Re: Help! (Riveting) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Paul, I'm afraid you just have to do that. See if
> everything fits, take it apart, deburr and prime.
> start riveting. Mkae sure everything is lined up
> properly. The clecos should keep keep everything
> in line as you rivet. Rivet every other one and
> keep a cleco in the hole. Sometimes its best to
> start in the middle and work your way out. Good luck
> Do Not Archive....Bob Sceppa
--- paulrod36@msn.com wrote:
> Ah. welcome to the brotherhood of the confused. We
> all go through that. Just think ahead, plan to run
> your wirin for the strobe, taillight, trim, etc.even
> if you only run string through the holes and later
> pull wire and cable. Since I was scratch building
> my fuselage, I made my elevator and rudder cables in
> two parts, with turnbuckles in the rear fuselage,
> and a fairly large access hatch close to them in the
> bottom skin. You might also consider only riveting
> the left or right side of the top skins, and
> finishing the job when all cables and wires have
> been strung.
>
> Paul Rodriguez
> 601XL/Corvair
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jaybannist@cs.com<mailto:Jaybannist@cs.com>
> To:
>
zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:02 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting)
>
>
> Help! Need Advice!
>
> I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted
> the rear bottom skin to the angles & longerons. I
> have also riveted the firewall. Otherwise, I just
> have lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have
> seen nothing in the guidelines about riveting.
>
> How far does one have to go on setting clecoes
> without riveting? I just can't feature having the
> whole fuselage assembled with clecoes, then taking
> it all apart to deburr and prime.
>
> Is that what I must do, or are there some parts
> that can be riveted without interfering with later
> construction?
>
> Anxious - Jay in Dallas
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