---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/08/06: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:08 AM - Help! (Riveting) (Jaybannist@cs.com) 2. 07:35 AM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (N5SL) 3. 08:06 AM - Re: LRI Systems (Roger Roy) 4. 08:49 AM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 5. 08:49 AM - Re: LRI Systems (Craig Payne) 6. 08:55 AM - 701 windshield and window installation (Geoff Heap) 7. 08:57 AM - Re: LRI Systems (Randy Bryant) 8. 09:16 AM - Re: LRI Systems (N5SL) 9. 10:24 AM - Re: 701 windshield (Zed Smith) 10. 10:25 AM - Re: 701 windshield and window installation () 11. 10:26 AM - 601XL Work Recliner (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 12. 10:34 AM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (Gary Boothe) 13. 10:38 AM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (Jim Hoak) 14. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: 701 windshield (Jim Hoak) 15. 11:07 AM - Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Tom and Bren Henderson) 16. 11:08 AM - looking for 701 amphib float kit (Russ GREENWAY) 17. 11:27 AM - Re: Help! (Riveting) () 18. 11:28 AM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (Rick Tedford) 19. 11:33 AM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (Al Young) 20. 11:33 AM - Re: 701 windshield and window installation (LarryMcFarland) 21. 12:45 PM - Re: Gun Drilling (Zed Smith) 22. 12:58 PM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (john H) 23. 01:09 PM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (Craig Payne) 24. 02:12 PM - Re: 701 windshield and window installation (Geoff Heap) 25. 02:12 PM - Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Geoff Heap) 26. 02:19 PM - Re: 701 windshield (Geoff Heap) 27. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Tom and Bren Henderson) 28. 02:59 PM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (Zodie Rocket) 29. 02:59 PM - 701 windshield washers (Zed Smith) 30. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Craig Payne) 31. 03:27 PM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (Matt & Jo) 32. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Robin Bellach) 33. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: 701 windshield (LarryMcFarland) 34. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Samm Munn) 35. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear (Tom and Bren Henderson) 36. 07:35 PM - 2nd Annual Zodiac Fly-In [very un-official] at Sentimental Journey (WAYNE BEATTIE) 37. 07:37 PM - Brake Squeal fixes anyone? (Jim Frisby) 38. 08:51 PM - Re: Help! (Riveting) (ROBERT SCEPPA) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:41 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) Help! Need Advice! I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the rear bottom skin to the angles & longerons. I have also riveted the firewall. Otherwise, I just have lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen nothing in the guidelines about riveting. How far does one have to go on setting clecoes without riveting? I just can't feature having the whole fuselage assembled with clecoes, then taking it all apart to deburr and prime. Is that what I must do, or are there some parts that can be riveted without interfering with later construction? Anxious - Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:35 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Hi Jay: I feel your pain brother! This has got to be the most difficult place to get past. Just ask Gig Giacona. He and I fretted over this for a while, then I just started riveting parts together. If you think it through and study your plans you can get comfortable with how much you want to rivet and how much you want to leave cleco'd. In my case it was when I ran out of clecos. Just remember the worst case is that you have to drive out and drill a few rivets. I went a long way before having to do that, but here near the end I've become a real pro at it! Take a small punch and knock out the stem, then drill off the head, then the hole. It takes seconds to do the whole process. Remove the head from the drill bit with a gloved hand. Back to the riveting - plan it out and move forward with some riveting. I had to crawl into the baggage area and do some creative drilling later when I installed my seat belts and my ELT, so plan ahead for this. I fretted this for two weeks, then went from this: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/9_19_04_FrontSkin.JPG to this: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/9_19_04_Riveted.jpg in one afternoon. Don't let it slow you down - plan, then move forward. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Building Canopy Frame --- Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > Help! Need Advice! > > I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the > rear bottom skin to the > angles & longerons. I have also riveted the > firewall. Otherwise, I just have > lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen > nothing in the guidelines > about riveting. > > How far does one have to go on setting clecoes > without riveting? I just > can't feature having the whole fuselage assembled > with clecoes, then taking it all > apart to deburr and prime. > > Is that what I must do, or are there some parts that > can be riveted without > interfering with later construction? > > Anxious - Jay in Dallas > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:14 AM PST US From: "Roger Roy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems Craig, where can a set of plans be purchased? RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LRI Systems For those who are inclined to buy rather than build here are links to commercially available lift or angle-of-attack indicators (in rough order of increasing price): http://www.liftreserve.com/ - probe-based http://www.lriaoa.com - probe-based http://www.hciaviation.com/prod-aoa-a.shtml - vane-based http://www.riteangle.com/RiteAngle/riteangleIIIb.htm - vane-based http://advanced-control-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html - uses flush probes -- Craig ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:28 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) Jay, I agree with Scott. And the point he's emphasizing is that you have to read way ahead, visualize all your following steps for installation of stuff and plan out how your going to get there. Always factoring whether will riveting something hinder that accessibility? We have all been there. I found a cold beer to be an excellent lubricant for visualizing and planing. Try it setting in the shade, looking at you obsession with the breathless expectation of soaring thru the blue, smile on you face and a song of joy and pleasure in your heart. Worked for me. Best to you, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:28 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LRI Systems >> Craig, where can a set of plans be purchased? You can see them here for free: http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm http://glasairproject.com/docs/AirsoobLRI.pdf http://glasairproject.com/docs/lri.bmp -- Craig ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 windshield and window installation From: "Geoff Heap" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Hi Guys. You guys that have installed your windows. The photo guide for the 801 goes into more detail, for instance they tell you to open the holes in the acrylic to .25 and use poly tube cutoffs from the brake lines for bushings. No mention of this in the 701 photo guide. Is this the better way to do it ? What say you who have gone before..........Geoff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39370#39370 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:48 AM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems You can get the plans from: http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm Just my opinion, but you'd be better off buying the probe from Scott Laughlin for $50.00 and then just buying the guage from another source... It would be very hard to make this probe for any less $$$ if you count materials and time... Scott is a subscriber of this list... Shoot him an email and get your order in, he's tooling up now to make a batch... Thanks, Randy XL Wings - Plans Only http://www.n344rb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Roy To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems Craig, where can a set of plans be purchased? RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LRI Systems For those who are inclined to buy rather than build here are links to commercially available lift or angle-of-attack indicators (in rough order of increasing price): http://www.liftreserve.com/ - probe-based http://www.lriaoa.com - probe-based http://www.hciaviation.com/prod-aoa-a.shtml - vane-based http://www.riteangle.com/RiteAngle/riteangleIIIb.htm - vane-based http://advanced-control-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html - uses flush probes -- Craig ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:56 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Roger: Mark Townsend and David Barth posted the plans at www.ch601.org under "Builder Resources." Here's the link: http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com working on canopy frame --- Roger Roy wrote: > Craig, where can a set of plans be purchased? __________________________________________________ protection around __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:04 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 windshield --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Yes to all the above...... If ZAC supplied the "trim washers" (chrome thingys) you will also have some screws that resemble wood screws. I do not recall exactly how big I made the holes in the Plexiglas, but you would want to first drill 1/8" holes, use a Cleco in some holes to keep things straight as you fit & trim.....only AFTER everything fits would you enlarge the holes. Think mine ended up being 1/4" or maybe larger; slept since that part of the project. At any rate, the holes will accomodate the screw, the tubing cushion, and allow for some slight bit of space. Another fellow advised to "center" all the screws within the Plexiglas holes so as not to have the windshield in a bind against one corner, etc. Again, get it to fit properly with only the 1/8" holes & Clecos before enlarging. Pay close attention to dressing the inside of the final holes. You can tightly roll a piece of very fine abrasive paper and sand inside. Another builder told me he used some sort of synthetic rubber pad under the washers and under the windshield at each hole to prevent chafing. Said the pads were rubbery heat sink pads which were intended to go under power transistors. Trimmed them into circles with a hollow punch. Regards, Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc/do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:00 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 windshield and window installation --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hello Geoff. I used the 801 method on my 701 and after 50 hours of flight, no problems with the windshield. I highly reccomend this method, becaue the price of the windshield for me up here in Iceland was high because of shipping cost of the large and heavy box. To avoid the windshiled from cracking, it will safe you time and money to use the poly tubes throught the window. Regards, Johann G. Iceland. Z 701 > > Hi Guys. You guys that have installed your windows. The photo guide for the > 801 goes into more detail, for instance they tell you to open the holes in > the acrylic to .25 and use poly tube cutoffs from the brake lines for > bushings. No mention of this in the 701 photo guide. Is this the better way > to do it ? What say you who have gone before..........Geoff. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39370#39370 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:40 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner Thread, I think I posted the 3 photos of the work recliner last night on the Thread. Does anybody have it ? Or did I send them to cyber-hell ? Bill ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:42 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner What work recliner? Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, working on wings.... _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner Thread, I think I posted the 3 photos of the work recliner last night on the Thread. Does anybody have it ? Or did I send them to cyber-hell ? Bill ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:40 AM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner Bill, I never saw them Jim Hoak ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner Thread, I think I posted the 3 photos of the work recliner last night on the Thread. Does anybody have it ? Or did I send them to cyber-hell ? Bill ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:11 AM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 windshield --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" List, I agree with all that Zed said. I'll add, be carefull to not over tighten the screws. Better loose than too tight. Check them with a screwdriver occasionally. I didn't use rubber under the screw heads, but did use the rubber inserts in the polished hole in the Lexan. 515 hours on my 601HD canopy and no cracks - YET. Jim Hoak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zed Smith" Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: Re: 701 windshield > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith > > Yes to all the above...... > > If ZAC supplied the "trim washers" (chrome thingys) you will also have > some screws that resemble wood screws. > > I do not recall exactly how big I made the holes in the Plexiglas, but you > would want to first drill 1/8" holes, use a Cleco in some holes to keep > things straight as you fit & trim.....only AFTER everything fits would you > enlarge the holes. Think mine ended up being 1/4" or maybe larger; slept > since that part of the project. > > At any rate, the holes will accomodate the screw, the tubing cushion, and > allow for some slight bit of space. > Another fellow advised to "center" all the screws within the Plexiglas > holes so as not to have the windshield in a bind against one corner, etc. > Again, get it to fit properly with only the 1/8" holes & Clecos before > enlarging. > Pay close attention to dressing the inside of the final holes. You can > tightly roll a piece of very fine abrasive paper and sand inside. > > Another builder told me he used some sort of synthetic rubber pad under > the washers and under the windshield at each hole to prevent chafing. > Said the pads were rubbery heat sink pads which were intended to go under > power transistors. Trimmed them into circles with a hollow punch. > > Regards, > > Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc/do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:22 AM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Zenith-List: Gun Drilling of Main Gear Does anyone have reference photos or internet links that depict the location of the brake lines drilled in the 601 XL gear? I have material on the way for the gear, but I don't like the idea of external brake lines. My question is, where is the best location to enter and exit the gear for the internal line? Has anyone either purchased gun drilled gear, or had it done who might be able to shed some light on the subject? Thanks in advance, ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:37 AM PST US From: "Russ GREENWAY" Subject: Zenith-List: looking for 701 amphib float kit Been looking for a built 701/801 amphib with no luck, so I am now looking for a complete amphib float kit to add to a 701 that I am interested in purchasing. Preferably used for a used 701. thanks for the help in advance. Russ Greenway kylepilot@msn.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:03 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) Ah. welcome to the brotherhood of the confused. We all go through tha t. Just think ahead, plan to run your wirin for the strobe, taillight, trim, etc.even if you only run string through the holes and later pul l wire and cable. Since I was scratch building my fuselage, I made my elevator and rudder cables in two parts, with turnbuckles in the rear fuselage, and a fairly large access hatch close to them in the bottom skin. You might also consider only riveting the left or right side of the top skins, and finishing the job when all cables and wires have b een strung.=0A=0APaul Rodriguez=0A601XL/Corvair=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Jaybannist@cs.com =0A To: zenith-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:02 AM=0A Subj ect: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting)=0A=0A=0A Help! Need Advic e! =0A=0A I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the r ear bottom skin to the angles & longerons. I have also riveted the fir ewall. Otherwise, I just have lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen nothing in the guidelines about riveting.=0A=0A How f ar does one have to go on setting clecoes without riveting? I just ca n't feature having the whole fuselage assembled with clecoes, then tak ing it all apart to deburr and prime. =0A=0A Is that what I mu st do, or are there some parts that can be riveted without interfering with later construction?=0A=0A Anxious - Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:09 AM PST US From: "Rick Tedford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner Hello Bill : Never received the photos Best regards Rick Tedford Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner Thread, I think I posted the 3 photos of the work recliner last night on the Thread. Does anybody have it ? Or did I send them to cyber-hell ? Bill ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:26 AM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) Jay- The best answer I can give you is the longer you wait before actually riveting the better off you'll be. Tha doesn't mean that you can't debur and prime as you go, just put the clecos back until you need some, then just rivet from the rear forward. The bottom longrens can be riveted along with the rear fuselage (see 6B4) as soon as you have finished the cable outlet fairings and the 6B3-3 and 6B3-4 attachment brackets. Have fun- it's worth it. Regards, Al Young N601AY ----- Original Message ----- From: Jaybannist@cs.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) Help! Need Advice! I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the rear bottom skin to the angles & longerons. I have also riveted the firewall. Otherwise, I just have lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen nothing in the guidelines about riveting. How far does one have to go on setting clecoes without riveting? I just can't feature having the whole fuselage assembled with clecoes, then taking it all apart to deburr and prime. Is that what I must do, or are there some parts that can be riveted without interfering with later construction? Anxious - Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:41 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 windshield and window installation --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Geoff, I used the rubber cutoffs for the screws on my canopy for the 601 and recommend it because it keeps the screws from pressing into the acrylic while it expands and contracts. Not as much work as you might suspect. Cut off the lengths just 25% longer than the thickness of the canopy and select the rubber tubing for a good fit on the screws. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Geoff Heap wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" > >Hi Guys. You guys that have installed your windows. The photo guide for the 801 goes into more detail, for instance they tell you to open the holes in the acrylic to .25 and use poly tube cutoffs from the brake lines for bushings. No mention of this in the 701 photo guide. Is this the better way to do it ? What say you who have gone before..........Geoff. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39370#39370 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:22 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Some days ago there was a mention on this list of gun-drilled gear. I knew WHAT it was, but had no idea HOW it was done. Do a Google for GUN DRILLING. Lots of hits. Machine shops that do it and manufacturers of the equipment. You'll learn how it is done and what it takes to do it. Interesting! Drilling those holes around the bends is the really neat part. Also, one of the firms I looked at does aircraft landing gear as a specialty. They offer choices as to front, rear, top, bottom, etc, for the tapped holes. Sorry, but I didn't make note of any of the web addresses. Regards, Zed r ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:09 PM PST US From: "john H" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:29 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner Send them to the photo archives. That way they can be found in the future. Attachments, though recently enabled, are not automatically archived. http://www.matronics.com/enclosures.html/ -- Craig ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:58 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 windshield and window installation From: "Geoff Heap" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Thanks Johann and Larry. Thats pretty clear cut, you both suggest the same as I was thinking. I'm happy to go ahead with the windows now. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39432#39432 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:58 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear From: "Geoff Heap" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" I know that Gun drilling is expensive if you contract it out to a shop...Geoff Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39433#39433 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:58 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 windshield From: "Geoff Heap" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Thanks for the info Zed. It fits with what Johann and Larry answered in their replies to my post. I did get the chrome thingies and wood screws :? Where do I get more. Anyone know? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39434#39434 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:21 PM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear A local shop has cut me a deal since we do so much business with them through work. He can have it done in a weekend, providing I can give him an entry and exit point for the line. That's where I'm stuck. Since this isn't in the Zenith design, and it's proven very difficult to find any references online, It sounds like I'll have to just use my best judgement. I was just hoping to follow in someone else's footsteps. Oh well, I guess that's part of homebuilding, setting off into new territory! Geoff Heap wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" I know that Gun drilling is expensive if you contract it out to a shop...Geoff Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39433#39433 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:43 PM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" Hi Everyone, as you all know Jon Croke is once again airborne, for those of you who are not familiar with Jon's story please click here http://www.ch601.org/stories/croke_crash.htm For those of you who know the story click here www.ch701.com Keep in mind that this is the same spot and departure that Jon first noticed his original problem. I give the man credit for rebuilding a project completely after the first incident and I must say he has titanium balls for departing on the same route that claimed his first bird !!! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -- ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:43 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: 701 windshield washers --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith In the world of racked-up communications equipment we call them "cupped finishing washers", can also be listed as "cup washer" or variants thereof. Most are actually nickel plated, rather than chrome. Don't have source at hand, but they may be available at (oh how I hate to say this) Radio Shack...heavy on the shack part. Screws need to NOT be dissimilar metals, but do require the "countersunk" head. Oval top is optional. Note that your screws "taper" as a wood screw.....any decent hardware store might be a source. do not archive Regards, Zed ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:00 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear Isn't the Grove gear for Zenith gun-drilled? If so you could take some hints from it. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:32 PM PST US From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) I waited to rivet most of the fuselage and spent a lot of time with the forward skins clecoed. I was glad I did. It really helped to be able to have access with the skins off to assemble the flight controls, fuel system and brakes. I used the laser level a lot and really was able to make sure everything was lined up. Just finished riveting most of it last week. You can check my web site Cheers Matt www.zodiacxl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jaybannist@cs.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) Help! Need Advice! I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted the rear bottom skin to the angles & longerons. I have also riveted the firewall. Otherwise, I just have lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have seen nothing in the guidelines about riveting. How far does one have to go on setting clecoes without riveting? I just can't feature having the whole fuselage assembled with clecoes, then taking it all apart to deburr and prime. Is that what I must do, or are there some parts that can be riveted without interfering with later construction? Anxious - Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:52 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear Last time I checked, Grove charged $100 extra for gun drilling. ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear Isn't the Grove gear for Zenith gun-drilled? If so you could take some hints from it. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:05 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 windshield --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Geoff, The washers are 100-deg recess head or low profile washers sized 6 or 8 as you need. The screws are phillips head 100-degree sheet metal screws sized to match. See Aircraft Spruce catalog page 98. 2005 issue. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Geoff Heap wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" > >Thanks for the info Zed. It fits with what Johann and Larry answered in their replies to my post. I did get the chrome thingies and wood screws :? Where do I get more. Anyone know? > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39434#39434 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:35 PM PST US From: "Samm Munn" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear $150.00 (I checked today) Samm Munn, Zenith 601XL, Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Bellach To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear Last time I checked, Grove charged $100 extra for gun drilling. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:16 PM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear Their price is fairly reasonable if you don't have access to the machinery necessary to do the job yourself. The problem is they want $910 for the gear BEFORE they have the brake lines drilled in. A joke. You can pick up the material for $350 locally, and have it machined, formed, edge radii added, etc for another $250. That's a difference of just about one Airspeed Indicator. I'll go the 'do it yourself' route and fill my panel as I'm doing it, thank you. Samm Munn wrote: $150.00 (I checked today) Samm Munn, Zenith 601XL, Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Bellach To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Gun Drilling of Main Gear Last time I checked, Grove charged $100 extra for gun drilling. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:25 PM PST US From: WAYNE BEATTIE Subject: Zenith-List: 2nd Annual Zodiac Fly-In [very un-official] at Sentimental Journey Jeff Small and I would like to remind you all that the Sentimental Journey Fly-In at Lock Haven, PA is coming up June 21st through 24th. Last year we had 7 Zodiacs fly in from various east coast locations to make the 1st Annual Zodiac Fly-In official. Sort of official anyway. Nothing official or connected to Zenith Aircraft Co., just a few builders and flyers joining up in a central location for some fun and occasional tall tales. You can bring your camping gear as Jeff and I did, or find a hotel room if you would like to stay a couple of days. The Sentimental Journey Fly-In is really a Piper Aircraft gathering, but lots of other interesting classics, antiques and homebuilts show up. And the occasional warbird as well over the several years I have attended. There is a Stearman Convention at the same time as well. There is good (and cheap!) food on the grounds from several local vendors, hot showers, and nightly musical entertainment (with a bar). You can fly all day from dawn to dusk with no restriction due to airshows. Fuel (100 LL) is available via roaming trucks. And there are both paved and grass runways as well! And lots of great flying around the hills and farm fields of the area. I've found a few Amish farms in the next valley where they put horsepower to good use. Last year all of the display parking area was filled up with 300+ airplanes the first couple of days. Jeff got a verbal commitment from the officials that if there were enough Zodiacs committed to fly in this year, we could block out some parking spots together. If you can commit to coming in the next week or so, respond to this E-Mail and I will start a list and see how many we can get. Name and tail number would be enough information. I would have make contact with the S.J. folks by next Friday (June 16th) to let them know if we need space. It would be great to have a bunch join up again. Let me know soon. Do a Yahoo or Google search on Sentimental Journey Lock Haven to see what the Piper Fly-In is all about. There were pictures in the July/August (I think) Zenith Newsletter showing last year's gathering. Somewhere on the Zenith website is a picture of my airplane in a sea of Cub Yellow. Look forward to seeing everyone. Wayne ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:00 PM PST US From: "Jim Frisby" Subject: Zenith-List: Brake Squeal fixes anyone? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" My CH801 has the double puck/piston brakes supplied by ZAC. I seasoned the brake pads in the usual way, but they squeal loudly anytime I apply enough braking to stop from a normal taxi or faster. Any suggestions as to what I should check to find the reason for this? Thanks Jim Frisby Palmer, AK N801ZA ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:24 PM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > Paul, I'm afraid you just have to do that. See if > everything fits, take it apart, deburr and prime. > start riveting. Mkae sure everything is lined up > properly. The clecos should keep keep everything > in line as you rivet. Rivet every other one and > keep a cleco in the hole. Sometimes its best to > start in the middle and work your way out. Good luck > Do Not Archive....Bob Sceppa --- paulrod36@msn.com wrote: > Ah. welcome to the brotherhood of the confused. We > all go through that. Just think ahead, plan to run > your wirin for the strobe, taillight, trim, etc.even > if you only run string through the holes and later > pull wire and cable. Since I was scratch building > my fuselage, I made my elevator and rudder cables in > two parts, with turnbuckles in the rear fuselage, > and a fairly large access hatch close to them in the > bottom skin. You might also consider only riveting > the left or right side of the top skins, and > finishing the job when all cables and wires have > been strung. > > Paul Rodriguez > 601XL/Corvair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jaybannist@cs.com > To: > zenith-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:02 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Help! (Riveting) > > > Help! Need Advice! > > I am working on my XL fuselage. I have riveted > the rear bottom skin to the angles & longerons. I > have also riveted the firewall. Otherwise, I just > have lots & lots of installed clecoes and I have > seen nothing in the guidelines about riveting. > > How far does one have to go on setting clecoes > without riveting? I just can't feature having the > whole fuselage assembled with clecoes, then taking > it all apart to deburr and prime. > > Is that what I must do, or are there some parts > that can be riveted without interfering with later > construction? > > Anxious - Jay in Dallas __________________________________________________