---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/09/06: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:44 AM - Re: Brake Squeal fixes anyone? (Noel Loveys) 2. 05:25 AM - Re: Brake Squeal fixes anyone? (cgalley) 3. 06:20 AM - Raw Materials in South Africa (Charles D) 4. 06:20 AM - LRI - Gage Source on the Internet (N5SL) 5. 06:35 AM - Re: 701 Windshield (John M. Goodings) 6. 08:18 AM - Re: Painting (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 7. 09:23 AM - Re: 601XL Work Recliner (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 8. 12:45 PM - Filler alternative, Stab tips and wing tips (AZFlyer) 9. 02:38 PM - Re: Raw Materials in South Africa (Thilo Kind) 10. 03:00 PM - Olfa ! Really Great Tool! (Ron Culver) 11. 04:24 PM - $$ Info Needed (P.H. Raker) 12. 04:27 PM - Re: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! (Terry Turnquist) 13. 06:55 PM - ? 601 XL crash (Jimmy Mathis) 14. 07:03 PM - Message Size (Tim & Diane Shankland) 15. 07:28 PM - Re: Message Size (Craig Payne) 16. 07:35 PM - Re: Message Size (Tom and Bren Henderson) 17. 07:55 PM - Re: Message Size (Craig Payne) 18. 08:04 PM - Air Compressor (William Dominguez) 19. 08:32 PM - Re: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! (Ron Culver) 20. 08:43 PM - Re: Air Compressor (B Johnson) 21. 08:45 PM - Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 (Cory Emberson) 22. 09:01 PM - Re: Air Compressor (Paul Mulwitz) 23. 09:13 PM - Re: ? 601 XL crash (kevinbonds) 24. 09:19 PM - Re: Air Compressor (Craig Payne) 25. 10:11 PM - Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb (Darryl Legg) 26. 11:03 PM - Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 (Dave) 27. 11:22 PM - Re: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb (Craig Payne) 28. 11:22 PM - Re: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:12 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Brake Squeal fixes anyone? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" Sounds like a glazing of the brake disk... Try honing the disks very slightly the new pucks will then seat to the honed disks and the squealing will stop. That problem was very common with French cars a few years ago. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Jim Frisby > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:06 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Brake Squeal fixes anyone? > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" > > My CH801 has the double puck/piston brakes supplied by ZAC. > I seasoned the > brake pads in the usual way, but they squeal loudly anytime I > apply enough > braking to stop from a normal taxi or faster. > > Any suggestions as to what I should check to find the reason for this? > > Thanks > Jim Frisby > Palmer, AK > N801ZA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:48 AM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake Squeal fixes anyone? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" Do both sides squeal? if not check to see why the squalling side is different than the quiet side. Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Frisby" Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Brake Squeal fixes anyone? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" > > My CH801 has the double puck/piston brakes supplied by ZAC. I seasoned > the brake pads in the usual way, but they squeal loudly anytime I apply > enough braking to stop from a normal taxi or faster. > > Any suggestions as to what I should check to find the reason for this? > > Thanks > Jim Frisby > Palmer, AK > N801ZA > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:49 AM PST US From: "Charles D" Subject: Zenith-List: Raw Materials in South Africa --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles D" Hi all, I am a "gonna-be" builder. My last remaining un-answered question with regards scratch - or - kitbuilding is ... What is the raw-materials availability like for us South Africans? Do we have to get much from the USA, or is there a reasonable source locally - I would prefer to use materials with the same-or-better-specs. to those called out in the plans. If the majority has to be brought in from the USA, then it might be better to just bite the bullet and go with the kit, although the freight-charges will be a killer. Does someone have a list handy of the various thicknesses and grades of materials required, or should I wait for the plans? (I am NOT trying to circumvent buying plans at all - I just want to do as much home-work as possible first.) What I have found to be available locally after 5 minutes on the telephone is 1200-H4, in thicknesses from 0,9mm to 3,0mm, and 5052-H6 from 4,0mm and up. How does this compare to 6061-T6 ? What else do I need to know ? Anyways, any and all advice will be much appreciated. Regards, Charles Davis. Ps - it will be a 701 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:49 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Zenith-List: LRI - Gage Source on the Internet --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Hi Guys: I've received several emails inquiring where to find the Minihelic gage mentioned on the LRI drawing from ch601.org. The good news is that Dyer has them for sale on the internet. You can find the instrument described as: Series 2-5000 Minihelic II Differential Pressure Gage - Inches of Water 0-2.0 at http://www.dwyer-inst.com. The good news is that it is only $50. A few years ago it was $77. The full link to the gage is: http://www.dwyer-inst.com/htdocs/onlinestuff/AddItem.cfm?FN=VIEW&RA=/htdocs/pressure/Series2-5000Price.cfm&CFID=6415179&CFTOKEN=6d346769cedf562f-B8E78687-255C-7595-D487CF9323CB3580 Happy Building, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com TIG Novice (.25 hours and counting) __________________________________________________ protection around __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:28 AM PST US From: "John M. Goodings" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Windshield --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" >From experience, I agree with the other posts about the screws through the lucite/perspex/acrylic plastic or polycarbonate. Let me add just a couple of things. Make sure the cup washers are stainless steel or nickel-plated brass. The screws should be stainless steel (or they leave a rust streak after a while); I got them at Home Hardware, the finer the thread the better, because the steel tubing frame is thin. An O-ring works very well under the cup washer. Use a bushing around the screw so it does not contact the plastic. BUT make the holes oversize as has been stated. It was put to me by an experienced builder to surround each hole "with a layer of air"! You need some room for expansion/contraction. Our temperature extremes in Canada are considerable. Finish each hole through the plastic with rolled up very fine sandpaper so the hole edge is very smooth. I have had no cracks in 3 years plus. John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Toronto/Waterloo. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Painting From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Bought the detail gun and indeed it had "HVLP" stamped on the side and appears identical to the one I am borrowing. I have not used it yet but have no doubt it will proovide excellent results. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" It came up at $14.99 this morning. The detail gun is down to $39.99 (46719-1VGA) Paul Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- > HF now has the primer gun on sale (20 oz gravity feed spray gun part # > 47016) for $19.99...Not bad...I'm looking out for the HVLP touch up > gun to go on sale. > > Frank ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:58 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Work Recliner Thanks Craig, I'll try againg this evening, Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Filler alternative, Stab tips and wing tips From: "AZFlyer" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "AZFlyer" For years I've used a mix of 10-12 min. Epoxy, and Micro-Balloons on my RC planes and now on my 601. Use 10-12 min. Epoxy for some working time, add micro-balloons after epoxy is mixed, a little thicker than putty. Easy to apply, easy to sand, cheaper than Superfil, sticks to anything, drys fast (no waiting overnight) very lightweight, takes almost any paint or primer. If for some reason you need to let this level out, use slower epoxy, (30 min.) and less micro-balloons. Worked great on my Stab tips, ZAC needs a better supplier. Email me off-list with questions. DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com 601 XL, 3300 Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39636#39636 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:37 PM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Raw Materials in South Africa --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Charles, what you need to find is a equivalent table US nomenclature and the European nomenclature of aluminum types. I had one, but can't find it anymore. As far as I know, South Africa uses the European nomenclature. You might want to check the Internet for such a table. Regarding the thickness: you need to convert the thickness of the material into mm and find the nearest higher thickness available. I'm pretty sure, you can find the stuff there. Best regards Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles D" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Raw Materials in South Africa > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles D" > > Hi all, > > I am a "gonna-be" builder. > > My last remaining un-answered question with regards scratch - or - > kitbuilding is ... > > What is the raw-materials availability like for us South Africans? Do we > have to get much from the USA, or is there a reasonable source locally - I > would prefer to use materials with the same-or-better-specs. to those called > out in the plans. If the majority has to be brought in from the USA, then it > might be better to just bite the bullet and go with the kit, although the > freight-charges will be a killer. > > Does someone have a list handy of the various thicknesses and grades of > materials required, or should I wait for the plans? (I am NOT trying to > circumvent buying plans at all - I just want to do as much home-work as > possible first.) > > What I have found to be available locally after 5 minutes on the telephone > is 1200-H4, in thicknesses from 0,9mm to 3,0mm, and 5052-H6 from 4,0mm and > up. How does this compare to 6061-T6 ? What else do I need to know ? > > Anyways, any and all advice will be much appreciated. > > Regards, Charles Davis. > Ps - it will be a 701 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:43 PM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Cc: , <701builders@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! After using my Olfa for a while I am more impressed everyday. I got mine directly from OLFA . http://www.olfa.com/Products.asp?C=4&P=58 and extra blades http://www.olfa.com/Products.asp?C=11&P=59 For most work it is much much easier to use and produces cleaner cuts with less waste. For long cuts I find it better than either a power or hand shear. I wish I had owned it from the beginning. I wish Zenith had listed it in their recommended tool list.. One caution ..be sure to use a heavy gauge edge and cut with the part you want to keep on the protected side. I use various size squares, the kind you would use on wood or metal. They are thick enough and if held securely produce a nice cut. I find 8 to 10 medium pressure passes does 0.016 easily. A piece of scrap under the area where the blade emerges from where the piece being cut ends helps as well.. Hope this helps the noobies ..( hell pretty much a noobie here myself )..*^) .. Ron Culver CH701 Scratch Builder ( most aluminum now cut but not formed) ps..anybody know a better source for that flanger made with roller bearings? I ordered mine from Aircraft Spruce in April and they haven't delivered it yet..claiming still on "back order" ..arrrrgh ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:22 PM PST US From: "P.H. Raker" Subject: Zenith-List: $$ Info Needed --> Zenith-List message posted by: "P.H. Raker" Hello, List, I need some assistance that you guys can probably provide. What is a partially completed CH601 HDS worth? Assume for the sake of aggument that it's between 75 & 90% completed; airframe is done; engine & prop hung; electrical, fuel, interior, and canopy to go. What would such a plane sell for in today's marketplace? No, I'm not planning to sell my own project. Please respond to me off-list. Thanx muchly in advance. Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:57 PM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! Ron, try sawing a 1/2 in. deep slot in the end of an 8 in. piece of old broom handle. Place the slit over the aluminum to be flanged and push down, going around the lightening hole until you have the desired flange profile. Ain't as pretty as a die but it's cheap and it works. Terry 601 XL (scratch) Ron Culver wrote: After using my Olfa for a while I am more impressed everyday. I got mine directly from OLFA . http://www.olfa.com/Products.asp?C=4&P=58 and extra blades http://www.olfa.com/Products.asp?C=11&P=59 For most work it is much much easier to use and produces cleaner cuts with less waste. For long cuts I find it better than either a power or hand shear. I wish I had owned it from the beginning. I wish Zenith had listed it in their recommended tool list.. One caution ..be sure to use a heavy gauge edge and cut with the part you want to keep on the protected side. I use various size squares, the kind you would use on wood or metal. They are thick enough and if held securely produce a nice cut. I find 8 to 10 medium pressure passes does 0.016 easily. A piece of scrap under the area where the blade emerges from where the piece being cut ends helps as well.. Hope this helps the noobies ..( hell pretty much a noobie here myself )..*^) .. Ron Culver CH701 Scratch Builder ( most aluminum now cut but not formed) ps..anybody know a better source for that flanger made with roller bearings? I ordered mine from Aircraft Spruce in April and they haven't delivered it yet..claiming still on "back order" ..arrrrgh __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:46 PM PST US From: Jimmy Mathis Subject: Zenith-List: ? 601 XL crash --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jimmy Mathis Any one heard anything on the 601XL crash? I've been waiting, but it seems to have faded to memory. Jimmy Mathis ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:45 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Zenith-List: Message Size --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland These pictures are killing me. Today there was a 4M picture, that's about 20-25 minutes to download and I don't even want to see it. I can no longer just get my e-mail but have to go into web mail and delete all the LARGE files. Tim Shankland ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:50 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Message Size --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Although there should be more discipline on the list it is possible to configure some mail clients to reject large attachments. For Outlook 2003 the steps are: 1. On the Tools menu, point to Send/Receive, point to Send/Receive Settings, and then click Define Send/Receive Groups. 2. In the list, click the group that includes the account you want, and then click Edit. 3. Under Accounts, click the account you want. 4. In the list, select each folder you want to specify limits for, and for each folder, continue this procedure with step 5. 5. Do one of the following (POP3): Select one of the following: - Download item description only Only message headers (message header: Summary information that you download to your computer to determine whether to download, copy, or delete the entire message from the server. The header includes these fields: Subject, From, Received, Importance, Attachment, and Size.) are retrieved during Send/Receive. - Download complete item including attachments Message header and content are downloaded during Send/Receive, including attachments. Select the Download only item description for items larger than x KB check box, and then enter a number in the box. (In some versions of Outlook this only worked if Outlook knew you were connected over a modem. Using a VPN over a modem or trying to limit attachment size while on a LAN didn't work. I'm not sure if they have fixed this.) -- Craig ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:37 PM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Message Size Sounds like it might be time to move into the 21st century. :) Joking aside, you should be able to configure your email to omit attachments and images, or simply filter any messages above a certain size. I have to admit, my second biggest complaint about the Zenith post (we won't talk about my biggest complaint on-list) has been the lack of pictures and schematics useful for clarification. Funny that the internet's biggest gathering of Zenith enthusiasts ranks a distant second to the vans list for helpful information. I suppose I shouldn't complain, as I'm too busy to devote any time to a remedy. Anyway, hope the info above was helpful. Just do a quick search on the net for your particular mail client. You should find a fairly simple way to filter larger emails out of your download que. Tim & Diane Shankland wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland These pictures are killing me. Today there was a 4M picture, that's about 20-25 minutes to download and I don't even want to see it. I can no longer just get my e-mail but have to go into web mail and delete all the LARGE files. Tim Shankland ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:18 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Message Size It is better to place files with long-term value in the "file and photo share" area: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/zenith-list.html#Top Regular attachments are not automatically archived and download from the share area is at a subscriber's discretion. http://www.matronics.com/enclosures.html/ If you wish to submit a Photo and File Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email pictures and files along with the information above to: pictures@matronics.com Please note that the adding of your files to the Photo and File Share Directory is a semi-manual process and will take a few days to become available. A message will be posted to the Email List(s) you indicated in #1 above with a link to the new Photo and File Share when it is available. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:03 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Zenith-List: Air Compressor --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez I want to buy the Harbor Freight $30 riveter, the specs call for an air requirement of 5.6 CFM @ 85 to 90 PSI. Im looking for a good compressor for it but my problem is that I have a small shop so I need to avoid a big compressor. I like craftman tools but the model that comply with this riveter specification is the 33 gallons one, not very small. Can this riveter be operated with a 3.5 CFM @ 90 compressor? Thanks in advance William Dominguez Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:18 PM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! Thanks Terry. Does the thickness of the slot matter much and would I have to use silicon or some other lubricant? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Turnquist To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! Ron, try sawing a 1/2 in. deep slot in the end of an 8 in. piece of old broom handle. Place the slit over the aluminum to be flanged and push down, going around the lightening hole until you have the desired flange profile. Ain't as pretty as a die but it's cheap and it works. Terry 601 XL (scratch) Ron Culver wrote: After using my Olfa for a while I am more impressed everyday. I got mine directly from OLFA . http://www.olfa.com/Products.asp?C=4&P=58 and extra blades http://www.olfa.com/Products.asp?C=11&P=59 For most work it is much much easier to use and produces cleaner cuts with less waste. For long cuts I find it better than either a power or hand shear. I wish I had owned it from the beginning. I wish Zenith had listed it in their recommended tool list.. One caution ..be sure to use a heavy gauge edge and cut with the part you want to keep on the protected side. I use various size squares, the kind you would use on wood or metal. They are thick enough and if held securely produce a nice cut. I find 8 to 10 medium pressure passes does 0.016 easily. A piece of scrap under the area where the blade emerges from where the piece being cut ends helps as well.. Hope this helps the noobies ..( hell pretty much a noobie here myself )..*^) .. Ron Culver CH701 Scratch Builder ( most aluminum now cut but not formed) ps..anybody know a better source for that flanger made with roller bearings? I ordered mine from Aircraft Spruce in April and they haven't delivered it yet..claiming still on "back order" ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:22 PM PST US From: "B Johnson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air Compressor --> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" Yes, I run mine at about 60 psi anyway... The CFM is dependent on how many rivets you want to squeeze in a minute, which is likely not many. NOW that said, you may find you wish to use other air tools, like perhaps a paint gun or die grinder that really DO need that high cfm! -Bruce Johnson Scratch Building a Sonex near San Antonio, TX TailFeathers-DONE; Main wing spars-DONE; Wing ribs-DONE; Right wing in skeleton working on details. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Dominguez > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:03 PM > To: Matronics List > Subject: Zenith-List: Air Compressor > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez > > I want to buy the Harbor Freight $30 riveter, the > specs call for an air requirement of 5.6 CFM @ 85 to > 90 PSI. Im looking for a good compressor for it but > my problem is that I have a small shop so I need to > avoid a big compressor. I like craftman tools but the > model that comply with this riveter specification is > the 33 gallons one, not very small. Can this riveter > be operated with a 3.5 CFM @ 90 compressor? > > Thanks in advance > > William Dominguez > Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:53 PM PST US From: Cory Emberson Subject: Zenith-List: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson Hello everyone, In a follow-up to my initial request for feedback on buying used Zenith aircraft, I'd like to get into the brass tacks. If you were to look at a used Zenith (any model - whichever you're most familiar with), what would be the top few items that would be a show-stopper for you in the first part of the pre-buy process? Any top items that would reel you in for a much closer look? And again, if you have been either the buyer or seller of a completed Zenith aircraft, or a partially completed kit, I would love to hear from you. Thanks very much! best, Cory Emberson Contributing Editor Kitplanes Magazine > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:24 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Air Compressor --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi William, I think the CFM requirement for the riveter is arbitrary. The 3.5 CFM should work fine. Perhaps it will need to run more often to do rivets at a very high rate, but that shouldn't be a problem. Good luck, Paul XL wings do not archive >I want to buy the Harbor Freight $30 riveter, the >specs call for an air requirement of 5.6 CFM @ 85 to >90 PSI. I'm looking for a good compressor for it but >my problem is that I have a small shop so I need to >avoid a big compressor. I like craftman tools but the >model that comply with this riveter specification is >the 33 gallons one, not very small. Can this riveter >be operated with a 3.5 CFM @ 90 compressor? > >Thanks in advance > >William Dominguez >Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL > > >__________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:48 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: ? 601 XL crash There was mention of it in the most recent newsletter. No new information though, Just the notion that, it is safe to assume that this crash does not mean that Zenith planes have a design flaw. I'm expecting to hear that something else was to blame. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Mathis Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Zenith-List: ? 601 XL crash --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jimmy Mathis Any one heard anything on the 601XL crash? I've been waiting, but it seems to have faded to memory. Jimmy Mathis ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:17 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air Compressor --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" I believe there have been posts about reducing pressure (45-55 PSI?) to reduce "bounce". Search the archives. Anyway I run mine with about the smallest compressor you can buy - a little Coleman 2 gallon oil-less unit. At 40 PSI I can squeeze about 16 rivets before the compressor kicks in. Then it takes about a minute to pump back up. I you plan to run any other air tool it will take more air than the riveter. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Dominguez Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Air Compressor --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez --> I want to buy the Harbor Freight $30 riveter, the specs call for an air requirement of 5.6 CFM @ 85 to 90 PSI. I'm looking for a good compressor for it but my problem is that I have a small shop so I need to avoid a big compressor. I like craftman tools but the model that comply with this riveter specification is the 33 gallons one, not very small. Can this riveter be operated with a 3.5 CFM @ 90 compressor? Thanks in advance William Dominguez Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:06 PM PST US From: Darryl Legg Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb --> Zenith-List message posted by: Darryl Legg Hello all, I am keen to know if anyone with a Jabiru engine has an Aerocarb fitted. The web site makes a lot of claims, better performance, better economy etc, and doesn't need carb heat box which is a big bonus. Any feedback would be great. Darryl. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:57 PM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" It's not quite what you asked for, but I did intend to buy a Zenith and the deal fell through. For me the show stopper was transportation. The plane is about 900 miles away. I would not fly an unfamilar aircraft on such a journey, and the owner could not manage it. Truck rental was far more expensive than even my worse nightmare, and none of the transporting companies were interested. Even Ferry pilots were not interested in flying homebuilts. I had arranged to get time to go look at it but without a way to get it here, there seemed little point. I've since found a plane, not a Zenith. I certainly had not anticipated that something seemingly so simple would be a show stopper. As far a structural weak spots in earky Zeniths, examine the sheet metal where the motor mount pass through the firewall carefully on both sides, there is sometimes a little bending. While you are at the firewall have a look at the nose gear for evidence of hard landings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory Emberson" Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson > > Hello everyone, > > In a follow-up to my initial request for feedback on buying used Zenith > aircraft, I'd like to get into the brass tacks. > > If you were to look at a used Zenith (any model - whichever you're most > familiar with), what would be the top few items that would be a > show-stopper for you in the first part of the pre-buy process? Any top > items that would reel you in for a much closer look? > > And again, if you have been either the buyer or seller of a completed > Zenith aircraft, or a partially completed kit, I would love to hear from > you. Thanks very much! > > best, > Cory Emberson > Contributing Editor > Kitplanes Magazine > > >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:42 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" One thing that many have noticed is that the Aerocarb doesn't like fuel systems with pumps. So avoid it if you are building a plane with wing tanks like the 601XL. If you like the concept then consider the Ellison throttle body - but it will cost you more. www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/ -- Craig ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:50 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Another point: Jabiru isn't wild about supporting other carbs on their engines. If your engine is damaged and if the carb could have caused it then you may have warrantee issues. Check for the official word from your dealer. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Legg Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:06 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb --> Zenith-List message posted by: Darryl Legg Hello all, I am keen to know if anyone with a Jabiru engine has an Aerocarb fitted. The web site makes a lot of claims, better performance, better economy etc, and doesn't need carb heat box which is a big bonus. Any feedback would be great. Darryl.