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1. 02:24 AM - Re: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb (Paul Mulwitz)
2. 03:05 AM - Bing? Which Bing? (Michel Therrien)
3. 04:06 AM - Re: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! (Terry Turnquist)
4. 07:46 AM - Re: Air Compressor (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
5. 08:21 AM - Looking for 701 building tools (Rick Lach)
6. 09:23 AM - Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 (Cory Emberson)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! (Bill Naumuk)
8. 09:49 AM - Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 (Tom and Bren Henderson)
9. 10:37 AM - Re: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! (George Swinford)
10. 12:07 PM - Re: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb ()
11. 12:27 PM - Re: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb (Craig Payne)
12. 12:33 PM - [ Bill of Georgia ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
13. 12:49 PM - Re: Looking for 701 building tools (ROBERT SCEPPA)
14. 02:04 PM - Re: Looking for 701 building tools (Ron Culver)
15. 02:04 PM - fuselage saddle (john butterfield)
16. 02:21 PM - Re: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb (B Johnson)
17. 02:37 PM - Re: fuselage saddle (Craig Payne)
18. 03:38 PM - Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 (jsimons2)
19. 03:38 PM - Re: fuselage saddle (george may)
20. 05:41 PM - SCOTT LAUGHLIN (vwknott)
21. 06:19 PM - Re: SCOTT LAUGHLIN (Roger Roy)
22. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 (Bill Naumuk)
23. 07:14 PM - Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 (jsimons2)
24. 07:29 PM - CH601HD/HDS Main Gear (David Mikesell)
25. 07:50 PM - 601HDS (Zodie Rocket)
26. 11:22 PM - Re: 601HDS (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Darryl,
I don't have answers -- just more questions for you.
Why wouldn't a carburetor need a heat box? How does it deal with ice?
I am planning on purchasing a complete FWF engine package from
Jabiru. This will certainly contain the carburetor along with many
other things. Also, I think the engine comes standard with most
engine accessories except for vacuum pump. That leaves me asking why
would you remove the Bing carburetor to replace it with a different
brand? What is so bad about the Bing?
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
>I am keen to know if anyone with a Jabiru engine has an Aerocarb fitted.
>
>
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| Subject: | Bing? Which Bing? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hello,
I'm curious. I will be installing a Franklin engine
in my 601 soon. Would the Bing be a good carb? Which
one is used on the Jabiru? The Franklin is a 235 cu
inch, 125 hp engine.
Michel
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http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! |
The blade should cut just wide enough to slip easily over the material. Also, the
harder the wood the better. Just make a new one when the old slot widens with
wear! No lube needed.
Terry
Ron Culver <rculver@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
Thanks Terry. Does the thickness of the slot matter much and would I have
to use silicon or some other lubricant?
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Turnquist
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Olfa ! Really Great Tool!
Ron, try sawing a 1/2 in. deep slot in the end of an 8 in. piece of old broom
handle. Place the slit over the aluminum to be flanged and push down, going
around the lightening hole until you have the desired flange profile. Ain't as
pretty as a die but it's cheap and it works.
Terry
601 XL (scratch)
Ron Culver <rculver@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
After using my Olfa for a while I am more impressed everyday. I got mine
directly from OLFA .
http://www.olfa.com/Products.asp?C=4&P=58
and extra blades
http://www.olfa.com/Products.asp?C=11&P=59
Ron Culver
CH701 Scratch Builder ( most aluminum now cut but not formed)
ps..anybody know a better source for that flanger made with roller bearings?
I ordered mine from Aircraft Spruce in April and they haven't delivered it yet..claiming
still on "back order"
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
The riviter uses almost no air at all...almost any small compressor will
work. I personally would not use a HF compressor but I can tell you when
we were building our house we had a HF pankake air compressor (listed as
a 2Hp model, but probably much less) and it was switched on at 5am and
off when it got dark...It ran big framing nailers all day whicj will use
much more are than a pop riviter.
Of course compressor was completely worn out in about 6 months...:)
The Sears oil free machine work well...I uilt the RV with ne and solid
rivets use a lot more air....Even though they are supposed to wear out
really quick (oil free mechines that is) mine is now painting the RV and
seems just fine.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Dominguez
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Air Compressor
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez
--> <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
I want to buy the Harbor Freight $30 riveter, the specs call for an air
requirement of 5.6 CFM @ 85 to 90 PSI. I'm looking for a good compressor
for it but my problem is that I have a small shop so I need to avoid a
big compressor. I like craftman tools but the model that comply with
this riveter specification is the 33 gallons one, not very small. Can
this riveter be operated with a 3.5 CFM @ 90 compressor?
Thanks in advance
William Dominguez
Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL
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| Subject: | Looking for 701 building tools |
Hi All
I am looking for forms and any other building tools from a scratch builder
that will help me build a 701. I currently need a firewall and instrument
panel form. So anyone that has completed their 701 and had no use for their
old tooling and would like to help me out it would be appreciated. I will
buy, rent, or make any arrangements needed to get some tooling to build my
701.
Thank you
Rick Lach
Raven Aviation
P.O. Box 378
Kernville, Calif. 93238
Shop: 661-345-7755
Cell: 661-337-0575
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
Thank you for that, Dave. That's an important point to consider. Would
you mind if I quoted you in the article? You may contact me offline, to
keep the list traffic down.
best,
Cory
do not archive
Dave wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> It's not quite what you asked for, but I did intend to buy a Zenith
> and the deal fell through. For me the show stopper was transportation.
> The plane is about 900 miles away. I would not fly an unfamilar
> aircraft on such a journey, and the owner could not manage it. Truck
> rental was far more expensive than even my worse nightmare, and none
> of the transporting companies were interested. Even Ferry pilots were
> not interested in flying homebuilts. I had arranged to get time to go
> look at it but without a way to get it here, there seemed little
> point. I've since found a plane, not a Zenith. I certainly had not
> anticipated that something seemingly so simple would be a show stopper.
>
> As far a structural weak spots in earky Zeniths, examine the sheet
> metal where the motor mount pass through the firewall carefully on
> both sides, there is sometimes a little bending. While you are at the
> firewall have a look at the nose gear for evidence of hard landings.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory Emberson"
> <bootless@earthlink.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:45 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson
>> <bootless@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> In a follow-up to my initial request for feedback on buying used
>> Zenith aircraft, I'd like to get into the brass tacks.
>>
>> If you were to look at a used Zenith (any model - whichever you're
>> most familiar with), what would be the top few items that would be a
>> show-stopper for you in the first part of the pre-buy process? Any
>> top items that would reel you in for a much closer look?
>>
>> And again, if you have been either the buyer or seller of a completed
>> Zenith aircraft, or a partially completed kit, I would love to hear
>> from you. Thanks very much!
>>
>> best,
>> Cory Emberson
>> Contributing Editor
>> Kitplanes Magazine
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
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>>
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
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| Subject: | Re: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! |
Ron-
Try the SM0032 Flanging Tool from www.planetools.com. I sold mine
to Gary Boothe because I was past the point in building where I needed
it- you might check with him for a customer satisfaction report.
Bill
ps..anybody know a better source for that flanger made with roller
bearings? I ordered mine from Aircraft Spruce in April and they haven't
delivered it yet..claiming still on "back order"
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 |
Morning Cory,
Buying a used homebuilt? I suppose everyone has a list of 'must-haves' and
'don't wants', but there is one item that should be paramount on everyone's list.
Is the airplane a high-quality machine? That it, did the builder put in
the time and effort to build a safe, well put together aircraft, or did they
rush through the job as SO many seem to.
I have seen some homebuilt aircraft out there that I wouldn't let my mother-in-law
fly! It has always amazed me how many people exhibit shoddy workmanship
in a machine that's going to carry them into the air. Kind of makes you wonder
if they had selling in mind all through the build process.
Just my two cents. :)
Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
Cory Emberson
Hello everyone,
In a follow-up to my initial request for feedback on buying used Zenith
aircraft, I'd like to get into the brass tacks.
If you were to look at a used Zenith (any model - whichever you're most
familiar with), what would be the top few items that would be a
show-stopper for you in the first part of the pre-buy process? Any top
items that would reel you in for a much closer look?
And again, if you have been either the buyer or seller of a completed
Zenith aircraft, or a partially completed kit, I would love to hear from
you. Thanks very much!
best,
Cory Emberson
Contributing Editor
Kitplanes Magazine
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Olfa ! Really Great Tool! |
Bill, try Cleaveland Tool.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Olfa ! Really Great Tool!
Ron-
Try the SM0032 Flanging Tool from www.planetools.com. I sold
mine to Gary Boothe because I was past the point in building where I
needed it- you might check with him for a customer satisfaction report.
Bill
ps..anybody know a better source for that flanger made with roller
bearings? I ordered mine from Aircraft Spruce in April and they haven't
delivered it yet..claiming still on "back order"
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb |
Paul W, I'll put my two cents in on this. Carbs need a carb heat box t
o avoid icing in certain temperature and humidity ranges. The reason f
or this is that the venturi in a carb creates a low pressure area, whi
ch then becomes colder, which in turn can create ice out of the water
vapor in the air. Also, the volatile gasoline, as it evaporates, helps
to chill the air even more. Blame this on Bernoulli's and Boyle's la
ws. However, some carbs do not have a venturi at all. There are severa
l carbs out there that have a straight tube for a throat, a sliding pl
ate for a throttle, and pull a tapered needle along with them out of a
hole in the throat. (The further the needle is pulled, the more taper
is exposed, and thus more fuel provided.) That tapered needle has the
flat facing downstream, which causes a mild vacuum. That vacuum, aide
d by very modest fuel pressure, allows fuel to enter the intake stream
, mix, vaporize, etc. Without a venturi to cause low pressure, and the
refore lower temperature, ice has nowhere to form. They seem to work b
etter on some engines than on others. Those for whom they work well, s
wear by them. I've seen them working fine on Soobs, and I may well try
one on the Corvair. =0A=0APaul Rodriguez=0A601XL/Corvair
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mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> =0A To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto
:zenith-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:19
AM=0A Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb
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Hi Darryl,=0A=0A I don't have answers -- just more questions
for you.=0A=0A Why wouldn't a carburetor need a heat box? How
does it deal with ice?=0A=0A I am planning on purchasing a comp
lete FWF engine package from =0A Jabiru. This will certainly cont
ain the carburetor along with many =0A other things. Also, I thin
k the engine comes standard with most =0A engine accessories excep
t for vacuum pump. That leaves me asking why =0A would you remove
the Bing carburetor to replace it with a different =0A brand? Wh
at is so bad about the Bing?=0A=0A Paul=0A XL wings=0A
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| Subject: | Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb |
The Ellison is a throttle body like the Aerocarb. Cast into the metal are
the words "CARB HEAT REQD". See the link below for details.
http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/faqs/carburetor_heat.htm
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
paulrod36@msn.com
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb
Paul W, I'll put my two cents in on this. Carbs need a carb heat box to
avoid icing in certain temperature and humidity ranges. The reason for this
is that the venturi in a carb creates a low pressure area, which then
becomes colder, which in turn can create ice out of the water vapor in the
air. Also, the volatile gasoline, as it evaporates, helps to chill the air
even more Blame this on Bernoulli's and Boyle's laws. However, some carbs
do not have a venturi at all. There are several carbs out there that have a
straight tube for a throat, a sliding plate for a throttle, and pull a
tapered needle along with them out of a hole in the throat. (The further the
needle is pulled, the more taper is exposed, and thus more fuel provided.)
That tapered needle has the flat facing downstream, which causes a mild
vacuum. That vacuum, aided by very modest fuel pressure, allows fuel to
enter the intake stream, mix, vaporize, etc. Without a venturi to cause low
pressure, and therefore lower temperature, ice has nowhere to form. They
seem to work better on some engines than on others. Those for whom they work
well, swear by them. I've seen them working fine on Soobs, and I may well
try one on the Corvair.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz <mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Darryl,
I don't have answers -- just more questions for you.
Why wouldn't a carburetor need a heat box? How does it deal with ice?
I am planning on purchasing a complete FWF engine package from
Jabiru. This will certainly contain the carburetor along with many
other things. Also, I think the engine comes standard with most
engine accessories except for vacuum pump. That leaves me asking why
would you remove the Bing carburetor to replace it with a different
brand? What is so bad about the Bing?
Paul
XL wings
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>I am keen to know if anyone with a Jabiru engine has an Aerocarb
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for 701 building tools |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Hi Rick, I might suggest that you use a circle
> cutter. I have used it to cut lighning holes in my
> spar. For your smaller holes in the panel you can
use
> a Greenlee punch. I believe they can go up to 3"
> Bob S. rjscep@yahoo.com Do Not Archive
--- Rick Lach <rick@ravengear.us> wrote:
> Hi All
>
>
>
> I am looking for forms and any other building tools
> from a scratch builder
> that will help me build a 701. I currently need a
> firewall and instrument
> panel form. So anyone that has completed their 701
> and had no use for their
> old tooling and would like to help me out it would
> be appreciated. I will
> buy, rent, or make any arrangements needed to get
> some tooling to build my
> 701.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> Rick Lach
>
>
>
> Raven Aviation
>
> P.O. Box 378
>
> Kernville, Calif. 93238
>
> Shop: 661-345-7755
>
> Cell: 661-337-0575
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for 701 building tools |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Culver" <rculver@nycap.rr.com>
I found when I was cutting my lightening holes that if I sandwiched the
aluminum between the form halves, and clamped them tightly, that I got very
good results from using ordinary hole cutters.I find them much easier to use
than the circle cutters which usually ( in my experience) have to be used in
a drill press. The larger size hole cutters aren't cheap but worked better
for me.. Others have found routers etc. better. I would suggest trying
various ways out on scrap and deciding which works best for you by
experience.
Ron Culver
710 Scratch builder
----- Original Message -----
From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" <rjscep@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Looking for 701 building tools
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
>
>> Hi Rick, I might suggest that you use a circle
>> cutter. I have used it to cut lighning holes in my
>> spar. For your smaller holes in the panel you can
> use
>> a Greenlee punch. I believe they can go up to 3"
>> Bob S. rjscep@yahoo.com Do Not Archive
>
> --- Rick Lach <rick@ravengear.us> wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>>
>>
>> I am looking for forms and any other building tools
>> from a scratch builder
>> that will help me build a 701. I currently need a
>> firewall and instrument
>> panel form. So anyone that has completed their 701
>> and had no use for their
>> old tooling and would like to help me out it would
>> be appreciated. I will
>> buy, rent, or make any arrangements needed to get
>> some tooling to build my
>> 701.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Lach
>>
>>
>>
>> Raven Aviation
>>
>> P.O. Box 378
>>
>> Kernville, Calif. 93238
>>
>> Shop: 661-345-7755
>>
>> Cell: 661-337-0575
>>
>>
>>
>>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list
i have put on the rudder and hor stab and elevator and
connected the control cables.
when i put the fiberglass saddle on for a trial
fitting, it does not seem to fit and it interfears
with the movement of the rudder.
am i doing something wrong, or does the saddle require
a lot of trimming. it seems if i trim it to fit under
the rudder cutout, it will still interfear with the
right to left travel of the rudder. it also looks
like the upper elevator cable horn will be touching
the rudder. i guess the horn fits inside the saddle
and this is supposed to be the upper stop. just can't
visualize it.
maybe i have lost my perspective, but a little advise
would be helpful
john butterfield
601xl, corvair
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| Subject: | Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb |
Ellison says you need it, AeroConversions (Sonex) says you do not need
it
with the AeroCarb because there is very little surface to accumulate ice
on
the AeroCarb other than the =93guillotine=94 type throttle plate which
could
easily be cleared by cycling the throttle (the Ellison looks very
similar)
The Monett=92s are a very conservative bunch, I seriously doubt they
would be
recommending skipping carb heat if there was any chance of icing
clogging up
the AeroCarb, I suspect Ellison just has more conservative lawyers???
-Bruce
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb
The Ellison is a throttle body like the Aerocarb. Cast into the metal
are
the words "CARB HEAT REQD". See the link below for details.
HYPERLINK
"http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/faqs/carburetor_heat.htm"http://www
.el
lison-fluid-systems.com/faqs/carburetor_heat.htm
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
paulrod36@msn.com
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb
Paul W, I'll put my two cents in on this. Carbs need a carb heat box to
avoid icing in certain temperature and humidity ranges. The reason for
this
is that the venturi in a carb creates a low pressure area, which then
becomes colder, which in turn can create ice out of the water vapor in
the
air. Also, the volatile gasoline, as it evaporates, helps to chill the
air
even more Blame this on Bernoulli's and Boyle's laws. However, some
carbs
do not have a venturi at all. There are several carbs out there that
have a
straight tube for a throat, a sliding plate for a throttle, and pull a
tapered needle along with them out of a hole in the throat. (The further
the
needle is pulled, the more taper is exposed, and thus more fuel
provided.)
That tapered needle has the flat facing downstream, which causes a mild
vacuum. That vacuum, aided by very modest fuel pressure, allows fuel to
enter the intake stream, mix, vaporize, etc. Without a venturi to cause
low
pressure, and therefore lower temperature, ice has nowhere to form. They
seem to work better on some engines than on others. Those for whom they
work
well, swear by them. I've seen them working fine on Soobs, and I may
well
try one on the Corvair.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net"Paul Mulwitz
"mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com"zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Bing carb vs Aerocarb
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <HYPERLINK
"mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net"p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Darryl,
I don't have answers -- just more questions for you.
Why wouldn't a carburetor need a heat box? How does it deal with ice?
I am planning on purchasing a complete FWF engine package from
Jabiru. This will certainly contain the carburetor along with many
other things. Also, I think the engine comes standard with most
engine accessories except for vacuum pump. That leaves me asking why
would you remove the Bing carburetor to replace it with a different
brand? What is so bad about the Bing?
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
>I am keen to know if anyone with a Jabiru engine has an Aerocarb
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Do the profiles and cross-section views on 6-S-4 help at all?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john
butterfield
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: fuselage saddle
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
--> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list
i have put on the rudder and hor stab and elevator and connected the control
cables.
when i put the fiberglass saddle on for a trial fitting, it does not seem to
fit and it interfears with the movement of the rudder.
am i doing something wrong, or does the saddle require a lot of trimming.
it seems if i trim it to fit under the rudder cutout, it will still
interfear with the right to left travel of the rudder. it also looks like
the upper elevator cable horn will be touching the rudder. i guess the horn
fits inside the saddle and this is supposed to be the upper stop. just
can't visualize it.
maybe i have lost my perspective, but a little advise would be helpful john
butterfield 601xl, corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Tell me about the rush job!! On a recent trip to a fly-in to hopefully view the
aircraft I was considering building, the workmanship on one of the 2 I was considering
helped me make my final decision. The aircraft in question had rough
trimed finish edges that actually turned up from the structure. Rivet lines were,
in my opinion, less than 2 rivet spaces from the edge of the sheet they held.
The entire airframe had gaps and holes where I didn't think any should be.
This, along with the fact that the cockpit appeared to be too small for any
type of comfort with a passenger, is why I finally decided on the Zodiac 601 HDS.
I deffinately would not have let my mother in law fly in that plane, much
less myself.
Jerome Simons
ordering plans in 2 weeks
building soon after receiveing
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39865#39865
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
John--
It is not you or your perspective. I had to both trim the saddle and the
rudder.
George May
601XL 912s----ready for painting
>From: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>To: Zenith-List Digest Server <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: fuselage saddle
>Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
><jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
>hi list
>i have put on the rudder and hor stab and elevator and
>connected the control cables.
>when i put the fiberglass saddle on for a trial
>fitting, it does not seem to fit and it interfears
>with the movement of the rudder.
>
>am i doing something wrong, or does the saddle require
>a lot of trimming. it seems if i trim it to fit under
>the rudder cutout, it will still interfear with the
>right to left travel of the rudder. it also looks
>like the upper elevator cable horn will be touching
>the rudder. i guess the horn fits inside the saddle
>and this is supposed to be the upper stop. just can't
>visualize it.
>
>maybe i have lost my perspective, but a little advise
>would be helpful
>john butterfield
>601xl, corvair
>
>
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Do you know Scott laughlin
E-mail address??
Vernon Knott
vwknott@cox.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Bryant
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems
You can get the plans from: http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm
Just my opinion, but you'd be better off buying the probe from Scott
Laughlin for $50.00 and then just buying the guage from another
source... It would be very hard to make this probe for any less $$$ if
you count materials and time... Scott is a subscriber of this list...
Shoot him an email and get your order in, he's tooling up now to make a
batch...
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Roy
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems
Craig, where can a set of plans be purchased?
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LRI Systems
For those who are inclined to buy rather than build here are links
to commercially available lift or angle-of-attack indicators (in rough
order of increasing price):
http://www.liftreserve.com/ - probe-based
http://www.lriaoa.com - probe-based
http://www.hciaviation.com/prod-aoa-a.shtml - vane-based
http://www.riteangle.com/RiteAngle/riteangleIIIb.htm - vane-based
http://advanced-control-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html - uses
flush probes
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: SCOTT LAUGHLIN |
cookwithgas@hotmail.com<mailto:cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: vwknott<mailto:vwknott@cox.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: SCOTT LAUGHLIN
Do you know Scott laughlin
E-mail address??
Vernon Knott
vwknott@cox.net<mailto:vwknott@cox.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Bryant<mailto:randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems
You can get the plans from:
http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm<http://www.ch601.org/resources
/aoa/aoa.htm>
Just my opinion, but you'd be better off buying the probe from Scott
Laughlin for $50.00 and then just buying the guage from another
source... It would be very hard to make this probe for any less $$$ if
you count materials and time... Scott is a subscriber of this list...
Shoot him an email and get your order in, he's tooling up now to make a
batch...
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com<http://www.n344rb.com/>
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Roy<mailto:savannah174@msn.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems
Craig, where can a set of plans be purchased?
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne<mailto:craig@craigandjean.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LRI Systems
For those who are inclined to buy rather than build here are
links to commercially available lift or angle-of-attack indicators (in
rough order of increasing price):
http://www.liftreserve.com/<http://www.liftreserve.com/> -
probe-based
http://www.lriaoa.com<http://www.lriaoa.com/> - probe-based
http://www.hciaviation.com/prod-aoa-a.shtml<http://www.hciaviation.com/pr
od-aoa-a.shtml> - vane-based
http://www.riteangle.com/RiteAngle/riteangleIIIb.htm<http://www.riteangle
com/RiteAngle/riteangleIIIb.htm> - vane-based
http://advanced-control-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html<http://advanced
-control-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html> - uses flush probes
-- Craig
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2
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Jerome-
Welcome to our home! You can have one bowl of porridge, but don't ask
for more- Fagin's watching.
Kind of interesting when, after lots of research like I'm sure you put
in, you decide on a "Retro" design like the HDS.
One thing- you can count on tons of help from the rest of the kids in
the workhouse!
Bill
I finally decided on the Zodiac 601 HDS.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39865#39865
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Bill-
Please sir, may I have more?
Yes, I have put a lot of research into it. However, I also adhere to the k.i.s.s.
contengient. To me, the fuel pumps and such are just another problem waiting
to happen with the XL. At this time I am planning on useing a WW Corvair conversion,
again simple, direct drive, less to go wrong. I have calculated the weight
of both the XL and the HDS and would only gain a mere 30 pounds extra capacity
at gross with the XL.
Besides, there is also the camp that feels that the HDS just looks sexy.
So I bid adieu with another quote.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
"Pray that I don't alter the deal further."
Jerome
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39893#39893
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| Subject: | CH601HD/HDS Main Gear |
I have seen a few pictures of the spring type gear on a HDS. Does anyone
know how the ribs and internal structure of the center wing section was
modified to accept the stress and support the spring gear mounts? I am
really interested in doing it to mine but would like to know what all is
required.
Thanks,
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
If your planning on putting a Corvair into a 601HDS over and XL you may
wish to consider asking the Advice of William Wynne himself. I'm sure
there is a reason why he is flying a 601XL -TD over the HDS
Cdngoose
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
Yes, I have put a lot of research into it. However, I also adhere to the
k.i.s.s. contengient. To me, the fuel pumps and such are just another
problem waiting to happen with the XL. At this time I am planning on
useing a WW Corvair conversion, again simple, direct drive, less to go
wrong. I have calculated the weight of both the XL and the HDS and would
only gain a mere 30 pounds extra capacity at gross with the XL.
Besides, there is also the camp that feels that the HDS just looks sexy.
So I bid adieu with another quote.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
"Pray that I don't alter the deal further."
Jerome
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Although his current update shows him helping perfect the installation of a
Corvair in Cleone Markwell's 601HD:
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar.html
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zodie Rocket
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
If your planning on putting a Corvair into a 601HDS over and XL you may wish
to consider asking the Advice of William Wynne himself. I'm sure there is a
reason why he is flying a 601XL -TD over the HDS
Cdngoose
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
Yes, I have put a lot of research into it. However, I also adhere to the
k.i.s.s. contengient. To me, the fuel pumps and such are just another
problem waiting to happen with the XL. At this time I am planning on useing
a WW Corvair conversion, again simple, direct drive, less to go wrong. I
have calculated the weight of both the XL and the HDS and would only gain a
mere 30 pounds extra capacity at gross with the XL.
Besides, there is also the camp that feels that the HDS just looks sexy.
So I bid adieu with another quote.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
"Pray that I don't alter the deal further."
Jerome
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