---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/15/06: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:11 AM - Polished aluminium surface & Corrosion (Martin Pohl) 2. 04:32 AM - Re: Polished aluminium surface & Corrosion (Noel Loveys) 3. 05:25 AM - More Polished Aluminum, Less Torque (Zed Smith) 4. 05:27 AM - Re: Air Compressor Air Compressor (William Dominguez) 5. 05:47 AM - Re: Vs: Zinc Chromate (Carlos Sa) 6. 05:48 AM - Re: More Polished Aluminum, Less Torque (Geoff Heap) 7. 06:05 AM - Re: More Polished Aluminum, Less Torque, HUMOR (Keith Ashcraft) 8. 06:05 AM - Re: Polished aluminium surface & Corrosion (martyn@flight.co.za) 9. 06:16 AM - Light Sports Report (Zed Smith) 10. 06:25 AM - Re: More Polished Aluminum, Less Torque (Paul Mulwitz) 11. 07:36 AM - Nuvite Polish (Stanley Challgren) 12. 07:47 AM - Re: Zinc Chromate (Mike Fothergill) 13. 08:12 AM - Re: Nuvite Polish (craig@craigandjean.com) 14. 08:42 AM - Zed's lettter --answers (Big Gee) 15. 08:57 AM - Re: Nuvite Polish (Keith Ashcraft) 16. 08:57 AM - Zed's letter/ answers (Big Gee) 17. 10:32 AM - rest of Zed's answers (Big Gee) 18. 10:32 AM - Re: Zinc Chromate (John Marzulli) 19. 11:03 AM - Re: Bolt Torque Specs (Leo Gates) 20. 11:04 AM - rest of Zed's letter/ answers (Big Gee) 21. 02:11 PM - end of reply to Zed (Big Gee) 22. 03:24 PM - Re: Low speed takeoffs and stall Airpseed. LRI (JohnDRead@aol.com) 23. 04:28 PM - Arlington (Zodie Rocket) 24. 05:49 PM - Re: Arlington (John Marzulli) 25. 06:58 PM - XP Problems (Bill Naumuk) 26. 07:20 PM - Re: XP Problems (Matt Dralle) 27. 07:21 PM - Re: Arlington (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 28. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: CH601HD/HDS Main Gear (Brandon Tucker) 29. 08:43 PM - Re: Arlington (Frank Stutzman) 30. 09:05 PM - Re: LRI Systems (David Mikesell) 31. 09:12 PM - Re: Arlington (Dave Ruddiman) 32. 09:51 PM - Re: XP Problems (John Marzulli) 33. 10:20 PM - Re: XP Problems (Craig Payne) 34. 11:10 PM - Re: Arlington (xl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:53 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Polished aluminium surface & Corrosion From: "Martin Pohl" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" Hi folks I am thinking of polishing my ZodiacXL with Nuvite (I just like the look and ... it is lightweight :D). What is your opinion in corrosion resistance of a polished aluminium plane (instead of paint). I will fly my Zodiac in western Europe (not close to sea-coastline, but sometimes rainy weather). Any advice? Rgds Martin -------- Martin Pohl Zodiac XL QBK 8645 Jona, Switzerland www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41165#41165 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:04 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Polished aluminium surface & Corrosion --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" I saw a fellow once who polished his prop. After that he had to carry polishing rags and polish with him every where he went. I would only polish if you are planning on something similar to a clear lacquer finish. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Martin Pohl > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:35 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Polished aluminium surface & Corrosion > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" > > Hi folks > > I am thinking of polishing my ZodiacXL with Nuvite (I just > like the look and ... it is lightweight :D). > > What is your opinion in corrosion resistance of a polished > aluminium plane (instead of paint). I will fly my Zodiac in > western Europe (not close to sea-coastline, but sometimes > rainy weather). > > Any advice? > > Rgds > Martin > > -------- > Martin Pohl > Zodiac XL QBK > 8645 Jona, Switzerland > www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41165#41165 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:25 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: More Polished Aluminum, Less Torque --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Ahhhh......thanks to the fine fellow who brought up the Polished Aluminum subject. Now maybe the discussion will turn toward the fuel savings realized from not hauling the weight of all that paint. As somebody mentioned, there is the Polishing Rag Penalty.....baggage compartment will be full of rags and cans of metal polish, no room for beer. Is there an on-line "calculator" to approximate the weight/fuel savings? Will a folding stepladder fit inside the aircraft? Does Elbow Grease come in aerosol cans? What is the medical term for the Tennis Elbow resulting from this endeavor? Which color Scotch Brite pad is correct for a shiny finish? Will the sudden appearance of all these flashy objects result in increased UFO sightings? Will Bolt Torque discussions decrease? Idle minds need the answers to these important questions. Hurry, have your credit card ready, operators are standing by. Thursdays are always a slow day at the office. Everybody have a really great day! Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive/etc ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:23 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Air Compressor Air Compressor --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez Dave, Thanks to you and all the other respondents. The dimensions are slightly larger than what I would like. My shop is a shed that is roughly 8 x 20, plus I have a one car garage that I would like to keep it as a car garage as much as I can. Other than that, the Husky VT6315 seems to be one of the best choice for the price/performance. If I can squeeze it in and move it out every time I’m working, I’ll go for this one. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Do Not Archive --- Dave Thompson wrote: > William, > > The measurements of the Husky VT6315 air Compressor > is > > > > 23 in wheel to wheel, outside to outside > > 21 in front to rear of wheels > > 4 ft tall > > > > Is that what you are looking for? > > > > I feel it is a small footprint for the size of > compressor. The pneumatic > tires are also great when moving over small bumps. > (Sounds like I am a > commercial) > > > > I agree with the other post. ALLWAYS drain the tank > each evening after use. > I lost an old compressor due to tank rust 10 to 15 > years ago. > > > > Dave Thompson > > dave.thompson@verizon.net > > Do not archive > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:57 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Vs: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Hello, Jari Not a lot - it looks and behaves much like regular yellow paint - of course, it is rather thin, as it was meant to be sprayed... Carlos do not archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:54:57 AM Subject: Vs: Zenith-List: Zinc Cromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com Just wondering... again... When rest of us uses primer, what has it's hardener (phosphor or equilevant) separately and requires 50%/50% mixing with paint, it wont last more than 8-24 hours. After that, this mix is ruined. Partially from contacting with air. So, when you open spray can, all of butane etc. will flow out, and air will go in. What happens to primer? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:08 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: More Polished Aluminum, Less Torque From: "Geoff Heap" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Zed, you sarcastic m&^%$#@!*&).......Geoff Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41188#41188 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:05 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: More Polished Aluminum, Less Torque, HUMOR PLEASE!!! SOMEBODY!!! HELP ZED HAVE A BUSIER THURSDAY!!! TOO MUCH HUMOR IS HARD ON THE SIDES AND GUT ( you still are too much Zed, you make my day a cheery one!!!) Looking forward to the Rocky Mountain Regional Flyin on June 24-25 I probally won't fly-in, but walk-in :-( Keith CH701 -- 8% -- scratch Smyth Sidwinder -- 2% scratch Teenie Two -- bulkhead building -- scratch N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' do not archive (and a Partridge in a Pear tree) ****************************************** Zed Smith wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith > >Ahhhh......thanks to the fine fellow who brought up the Polished Aluminum subject. >Now maybe the discussion will turn toward the fuel savings realized from not hauling the weight of all that paint. >As somebody mentioned, there is the Polishing Rag Penalty.....baggage compartment will be full of rags and cans of metal polish, no room for beer. >Is there an on-line "calculator" to approximate the weight/fuel savings? >Will a folding stepladder fit inside the aircraft? >Does Elbow Grease come in aerosol cans? >What is the medical term for the Tennis Elbow resulting from this endeavor? >Which color Scotch Brite pad is correct for a shiny finish? >Will the sudden appearance of all these flashy objects result in increased UFO sightings? >Will Bolt Torque discussions decrease? >Idle minds need the answers to these important questions. >Hurry, have your credit card ready, operators are standing by. >Thursdays are always a slow day at the office. >Everybody have a really great day! >Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive/etc > > > > > > > > > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:05 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Polished aluminium surface & Corrosion From: martyn@flight.co.za --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za Question, can one Polish and then Paint over with a clear laquer, thus retaining the "Shine" indefinatly (spelling is orrible) Do Not Archive...Repeat. Do not Archive! > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" > > I saw a fellow once who polished his prop. After that he had to carry > polishing rags and polish with him every where he went. I would only > polish > if you are planning on something similar to a clear lacquer finish. > > Noel > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> Martin Pohl >> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:35 AM >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Zenith-List: Polished aluminium surface & Corrosion >> >> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" >> >> Hi folks >> >> I am thinking of polishing my ZodiacXL with Nuvite (I just >> like the look and ... it is lightweight :D). >> >> What is your opinion in corrosion resistance of a polished >> aluminium plane (instead of paint). I will fly my Zodiac in >> western Europe (not close to sea-coastline, but sometimes >> rainy weather). >> >> Any advice? >> >> Rgds >> Martin >> >> -------- >> Martin Pohl >> Zodiac XL QBK >> 8645 Jona, Switzerland >> www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41165#41165 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:18 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Light Sports Report --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Well, fans, at the end of the First Period the score is tied 1-1. After a short commercial break we'll be back with more action. And now a few words from our sponsor, the fine folks at Tidy Bowl. Regards to all, Zed do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:57 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: More Polished Aluminum, Less Torque --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz >Does Elbow Grease come in aerosol cans? They sell elbow grease at the new back store. Paul XL fuselage do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:28 AM PST US From: Stanley Challgren Subject: Zenith-List: Nuvite Polish --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren Martin: You inquired about polishing your aircraft with Nuvite. We used it with our 601 HDS and had great success. It took about 50 hours using all three polishes but we only did it once in five years with the exception of the leading edges which would get an application about once a year. Our aircraft was hangared the entire time and the Denver area is very dry and corrosion is not usually a problem. Our post-flight included thoroughly wetting a towel and wiping the bugs off the leading edges. We immediately followed that by wiping it down with a dry towel. Total time each post-flight=about 5 minutes. The only down side to polished aluminum is that it is difficult to see when airborne in comparison to a painted aircraft. Stan ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:54 AM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill Try your local NAPA shop. Mike UHS Spinners Noel Loveys wrote: > Our local Crappy Tire has very limited inventory. we are lucky to have > one of some items in the weekly flyers. I'll be by there tomorrow and > have a look but I doubt they will have it. > > so far down in the woods I come out to hunt! > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:43 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate > > It's what is easily available at the "corner store" (Canadian Tire), > 2 minutes drive from home. > > Carlos > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Noel Loveys > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:28:31 PM > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zinc Cromate - "the dangerous way" > > Why not buy the zinc chromate in a can??? > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:51 AM PST US From: craig@craigandjean.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nuvite Polish --> Zenith-List message posted by: craig@craigandjean.com The other disadvantage to a polished plane is that it shows the ripples and "smiles" in the skins more than a painted plane. Given the quality of my construction I am thinking of painting mine camouflage :-) If you want to see two examples of (mostly) polished XLs take a look at William Wynne's and Phil Maxson's. William lives in Florida and does not appear to be worried about corrosion: www.flycorvair.com/601.html www.flycorvair.com/hangar0306.html -- Craig ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:12 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Zenith-List: Zed's lettter --answers Zed,,,,,,, you asked some fine questions and I'll try to answer some of them, the answers will be "inside" your letter.------ my opinion only---- Fritz Zed Smith wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Ahhhh......thanks to the fine fellow who brought up the Polished Aluminum subject. Now maybe the discussion will turn toward the fuel savings realized from not hauling the weight of all that paint. *** are you sure this is a true statement, if some of the folks will send the info on how much weight their airplane gained from painting, how much polish they added afterwards, whether they polish the airplane in a clockwise or counter clockwise motion; I'll try ro work up a program and return the results to the site------ maybe an airplane is faster with paint ??? As somebody mentioned, there is the Polishing Rag Penalty.....baggage compartment will be full of rags and cans of metal polish, no room for beer. ***** recomment carring hard stuff--- it doesn't take as much space as beer. Is there an on-line "calculator" to approximate the weight/fuel savings? ***** this one someone with more computer experience will have to do, but I guess half the site will say there is a savings and the other half will say there isn't. Will a folding stepladder fit inside the aircraft? ****** the easiest way to carry a stepladder on board, would be to install your plane on floats, put your step ladder inside the canoe, than strap the canoe to the floats. Does Elbow Grease come in aerosol cans? ******I hope not----- some folks will try opening the can with a pointed object. What is the medical term for the Tennis Elbow resulting from this endeavor? ****** polishepicondylalgia externa Which color Scotch Brite pad is correct for a shiny finish? ******* I heard on the news last night that one of the manufactures of this material was coming out with a rainbow color so as do away will "most "of the confusion. Will the sudden appearance of all these flashy objects result in increased UFO sightings? **** I did hear that painting an airplane in the Roswell, NM area was mandatory so as to prevent this from happening. Will Bolt Torque discussions decrease? *******are you serious? it might slow down for 27 1/2 days than will show up again. Idle minds need the answers to these important questions. *****Zed, your letter made my day------ but, do you realize that if I didn't spend so much time on the computer, I might get my airplane finished sooner.---- Fritz Hurry, have your credit card ready, operators are standing by. Thursdays are always a slow day at the office. Everybody have a really great day! Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive/etc __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:00 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nuvite Polish All, Here is a link that I had sent before on polishing. Dave has done a good job on his Sonex. You can follow along and read about his adventures with polishing Aluminum. http://n36sx.wheelsup.org/polish/index.html Good Luck, Keith *********************************************************** craig@craigandjean.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: craig@craigandjean.com > > The other disadvantage to a polished plane is that it shows the > ripples and "smiles" in the skins more than a painted plane. Given the > quality of my construction I am thinking of painting mine camouflage :-) > > If you want to see two examples of (mostly) polished XLs take a look > at William Wynne's and Phil Maxson's. William lives in Florida and > does not appear to be worried about corrosion: > > www.flycorvair.com/601.html > www.flycorvair.com/hangar0306.html > > -- Craig > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:00 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Zenith-List: Zed's letter/ answers Zed,,,,,,, you asked some fine questions and I'll try to answer some of them, the answers will be "inside" your letter.------ my opinion only---- Fritz Zed Smith wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Ahhhh......thanks to the fine fellow who brought up the Polished Aluminum subject. Now maybe the discussion will turn toward the fuel savings realized from not hauling the weight of all that paint. *** are you sure this is a true statement, if some of the folks will send the info on how much weight their airplane gained from painting, how much polish they added afterwards, whether they polish the airplane in a clockwise or counter clockwise motion; I'll try ro work up a program and return the results to the site------ maybe an airplane is faster with paint ??? As somebody mentioned, there is the Polishing Rag Penalty.....baggage compartment will be full of rags and cans of metal polish, no room for beer. ***** recomment carring hard stuff--- it doesn't take as much space as beer. Is there an on-line "calculator" to approximate the weight/fuel savings? ***** this one someone with more computer experience will have to do, but I guess half the site will say there is a savings and the other half will say there isn't. Will a folding stepladder fit inside the aircraft? ****** the easiest way to carry a stepladder on board, would be to install your plane on floats, put your step ladder inside the canoe, than strap the canoe to the floats. Does Elbow Grease come in aerosol cans? ******I hope not----- some folks will try opening the can with a pointed object. What is the medical term for the Tennis Elbow resulting from this endeavor? ****** polishepicondylalgia externa Which color Scotch Brite pad is correct for a shiny finish? ******* I heard on the news last night that one of the manufactures of this material was coming out with a rainbow color so as do away will "most "of the confusion. Will the sudden appearance of all these flashy objects result in increased UFO sightings? **** I did hear that painting an airplane in the Roswell, NM area was mandatory so as to prevent this from happening. Will Bolt Torque discussions decrease? *******are you serious? it might slow down for 27 1/2 days than will show up again. Idle minds need the answers to these important questions. *****Zed, your letter made my day------ but, do you realize that if I didn't spend so much time on the computer, I might get my airplane finished sooner.---- Fritz Hurry, have your credit card ready, operators are standing by. Thursdays are always a slow day at the office. Everybody have a really great day! Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive/etc __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:46 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Zenith-List: rest of Zed's answers Folks for some reason all of my reply to Zed's letter din't print---- here is the rest of it. Fritz ******* = my reply to Zed's questions Will Bolt Torque discussions decrease? *******are you serious? it might slow down for 27 1/2 days than will show up again. Idle minds need the answers to these important questions. *****Zed, your letter made my day------ but, do you realize that if I didn't spend so much time on the computer, I might get my airplane finished sooner.---- Fritz Hurry, have your credit card ready, operators are standing by. Thursdays are always a slow day at the office. Everybody have a really great day! Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive/etc __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:46 AM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate I've found Zinc Chromate at the "West Marine" boating stores. On 6/15/06, Mike Fothergill wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill < > mfothergill@sympatico.ca> > > Try your local NAPA shop. > Mike > UHS Spinners > > Noel Loveys wrote: > > Our local Crappy Tire has very limited inventory. we are lucky to have > > one of some items in the weekly flyers. I'll be by there tomorrow and > > have a look but I doubt they will have it. > > > > so far down in the woods I come out to hunt! > > > > Noel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos > Sa > > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:43 PM > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate > > > > It's what is easily available at the "corner store" (Canadian Tire), > > 2 minutes drive from home. > > > > Carlos > > > > do not archive > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Noel Loveys > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:28:31 PM > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zinc Cromate - "the dangerous way" > > > > Why not buy the zinc chromate in a can??? > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:19 AM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bolt Torque Specs --> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates Do not try this with an AN3 Bolt, it will break - Guaranteed! Don't as how I know. Do not archive. Leo Gates N601Z Randy Bryant wrote: > Thanks Frank, > > > I guess I'll just tighten em' as tight as they'll go, then go about > 1/4 turn more... that should do it.. > > Thanks, > > Randy > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:41 AM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Zenith-List: rest of Zed's letter/ answers Folks for some reason all of my reply to Zed's letter din't print---- here is the rest of it. Fritz ******* = my reply to Zed's questions Will Bolt Torque discussions decrease? *******are you serious? it might slow down for 27 1/2 days than will show up again. Idle minds need the answers to these important questions. *****Zed, your letter made my day------ but, do you realize that if I didn't spend so much time on the computer, I might get my airplane finished sooner.---- Fritz Hurry, have your credit card ready, operators are standing by. Thursdays are always a slow day at the office. Everybody have a really great day! __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:56 PM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Zenith-List: end of reply to Zed I tried 3 times to get the rest of Zed's letter answered but it emailed blank. At the end I was tring to tell Zed, " if I didn't spend so much time on the computer, maybe I could get my airplane done." Frtiz __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:32 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Low speed takeoffs and stall Airpseed. LRI safe unsubscribe ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:49 PM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Arlington Hello List members, Who is going to Arlington? I am, and I will be there on Monday July 3rd, show doesn=92t start until the 5th so I would like to find others that will be there early so I can have someone to chat with for a couple of days. Also is anyone flying there? Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -- -- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:14 PM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Arlington I'll be there, but only as a spectator unless someone wants to help me move the workshop 20 miles north for a few days. Will there be a North West Zenith builders dinner or get-together? - John in Seattle http://701Builder.blogspot.com On 6/15/06, Zodie Rocket wrote: > > Hello List members, Who is going to Arlington? I am, and I will be there > on Monday July 3rd, show doesn't start until the 5th so I would like to > find others that will be there early so I can have someone to chat with for > a couple of days. Also is anyone flying there? > > > Mark Townsend > > Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. > > president@can-zacaviation.com > > www.can-zacaviation.com > > > -- > 6/14/2006 > > -- > 6/15/2006 > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:24 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: XP Problems All- Ever since I went to XP around the first of the year I've had problems. You think you're talking to a lister 1on1 and you wind up on the site (And vice versa). You click on a link and the computer crashes. Etc., etc. Turned on my computer tonight and went to delete the obvious junk mail. Crash. Lost everyone's posts for 2 days. Called my ISP and talked to someone who (Hopefully)knew what they're doing. He said to burn out Outlook Express and reinstall. To make a long story shorter, the only way of getting rid of OE/XP is to use the install disc. I burned out the old version (Backup your .wab files first) and reinstalled. So far, at least I'm back on the site. Hope this is the end of it, and hope this helps anyone experiencing similar problems. Bill ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:27 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XP Problems --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Well, you should stop clicking on all those porn sites, Bill... Ha ha. Seriously, invest in a good spyware program like Web Root's Spysweeper or Ad-Aware. Most of your problems are caused by things that get downloaded to your computer from either email or web links. I've been running XP on over a dozen computers, a number of which I routinely use for email and web browsing, and have found XP to be by far the most stable version of Windows ever. Make sure that you have XP Service Pack 2 installed too and that you keep your Windows Updates up to date. Weekly is not too often. Also, keep a good virus program like Norton Antivirus installed and up to date. You can never be too up to date. And never run without them installed "just for a little while". There are so many ways to be attacked these days, that even an hour without protection will probably yield you infected with something. Windows Service Pack 2 has a really good built in firewall now, and you should run this all the time without question. Matt Dralle do not archive At 06:53 PM 6/15/2006 Thursday, you wrote: >All- > Ever since I went to XP around the first of the year I've had problems. You think you're talking to a lister 1on1 and you wind up on the site (And vice versa). You click on a link and the computer crashes. Etc., etc. > Turned on my computer tonight and went to delete the obvious junk mail. Crash. Lost everyone's posts for 2 days. > Called my ISP and talked to someone who (Hopefully)knew what they're doing. > He said to burn out Outlook Express and reinstall. To make a long story shorter, the only way of getting rid of OE/XP is to use the install disc. I burned out the old version (Backup your .wab files first) and reinstalled. > So far, at least I'm back on the site. > Hope this is the end of it, and hope this helps anyone experiencing similar problems. > Bill > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:48 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Arlington From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Put it this way...I will be there if I havent sold the HDS by then...But the new buyer intends to come pick it up next Friday so I think for the first time in 7 years I will be without airplane for Arlington...:( Frank ________________________________ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zodie Rocket Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Arlington Hello List members, Who is going to Arlington? I am, and I will be there on Monday July 3rd, show doesn't start until the 5th so I would like to find others that will be there early so I can have someone to chat with for a couple of days. Also is anyone flying there? Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -- 6/14/2006 -- 6/15/2006 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:39 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: RE: CH601HD/HDS Main Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker Bill, >From my original post: >> -Please, no "I told you so's." I can see some >> of you chomping at the bit as you read this! I didn't send my initial response to this - too irritated. This is the calmer response after a 24 hour cool down. I even took out the expletives. No, I do not admit that the gear is about the worst place to deviate from the plans. I would say that the wing spar, or the control surfaces would probably be a slightly more catastrophic failure, should something get too "Experimental." You are correct in that I did not build a scaled model. As I said in the original post, there is already a flying example of the design. Will that meet your "Proof of concept" criterion? I guess I assumed that full scale and operational would do it. Thank you so much for not literally saying "I told you so." That would have simply been rude. It may have been equally constructive while utilizing substantially less bytes though. Brandon DO NOT ARCHIVE > Brandon- > There are times you can deviate from the plans, but you have to admit, > messing with the gear is about the worst choice of a place to experiment. > On the other hand, they don't call these "Experimental" aircraft for > nothing. I applaud you for your willingness to try a variation, but I > think you have to move the proving stage further upstream. > Right now, you're a coroner, examining the final result. If you would > have built a proof of concept scale model, you probably would have > detected the negative effects earlier, before a major rebuild became > necessary. Pain in the ass, additional time and expense, you bet. Less > work and lots more peace of mind down the line, you bet. > Good building. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:14 PM PST US From: Frank Stutzman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Arlington --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman Uhmmm, I'm a list member and I'll be there later in the week, but I am far from being a current zenith builder or flyer. The 701s (which is what I'm interested in) usually are a little rare at Arlington. Would like to see a few more. I was down at the Golden West Fly-in in California last week and was able to get a good look at a couple of examples. Hopefully it will be a little better at Arlington this year. Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:33 PM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems Just to let you guys know, I got my LRI probe from Scott. It is a great deal and really really fast on delivery. Thanks Scott! David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems David, write Scott here on the list. He is looking for a couple more potential LRI 'wanters' to set up his machinery to make the probes. best to you, Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:49 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Arlington MessageI'll probably be at Arlington on Thursday the 6th. Most likely just me and my motor home. Don't think the wife is going this year. I guess I'll be OK without her. Dave in Salem ----- Original Message ----- From: Zodie Rocket To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Arlington Hello List members, Who is going to Arlington? I am, and I will be there on Monday July 3rd, show doesn=92t start until the 5th so I would like to find others that will be there early so I can have someone to chat with for a couple of days. Also is anyone flying there? Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -- 6/14/2006 -- 6/15/2006 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:36 PM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XP Problems Another way to provide some extra safety is to use Firefox ( http://www.mozilla.com ) as your web browser. By design Firefox does not allow "ActiveX controls" to run, and suppresses pop-up ads. Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 will also try to protect you against "phishing" sites. For antivirus AntiVir ( http://www.free-av.com ) is a good choice and free ( as in beer ). I also suggest Ad-Aware ( http://www.lavasoft.de/software/adaware/ ) to get rid of malevolent programs. And if you are still having problems, you can always turn to Microsoft OneCare ( http://www.windowsonecare.com/ ) for these tools. John In Seattle http://701Builder.blogspot.com On 6/15/06, Matt Dralle wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > Well, you should stop clicking on all those porn sites, Bill... Ha ha. > > Seriously, invest in a good spyware program like Web Root's Spysweeper or > Ad-Aware. Most of your problems are caused by things that get downloaded to > your computer from either email or web links. I've been running XP on over > a dozen computers, a number of which I routinely use for email and web > browsing, and have found XP to be by far the most stable version of Windows > ever. Make sure that you have XP Service Pack 2 installed too and that you > keep your Windows Updates up to date. Weekly is not too often. Also, keep > a good virus program like Norton Antivirus installed and up to date. You > can never be too up to date. And never run without them installed "just for > a little while". There are so many ways to be attacked these days, that > even an hour without protection will probably yield you infected with > something. Windows Service Pack 2 has a really good built in firewall now, > and you should run this all the time without question. > > Matt Dralle > > do not archive > > > At 06:53 PM 6/15/2006 Thursday, you wrote: > >All- > > Ever since I went to XP around the first of the year I've had > problems. You think you're talking to a lister 1on1 and you wind up on the > site (And vice versa). You click on a link and the computer crashes. Etc., > etc. > > Turned on my computer tonight and went to delete the obvious junk > mail. Crash. Lost everyone's posts for 2 days. > > Called my ISP and talked to someone who (Hopefully)knew what they're > doing. > > He said to burn out Outlook Express and reinstall. To make a long > story shorter, the only way of getting rid of OE/XP is to use the install > disc. I burned out the old version (Backup your .wab files first) and > reinstalled. > > So far, at least I'm back on the site. > > Hope this is the end of it, and hope this helps anyone experiencing > similar problems. > > Bill > > > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:06 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XP Problems In addition to the other suggestions: if you think Outlook Express (your e-mail client) is a problem then switch to another (free) one: http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ -- Craig ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:33 PM PST US From: xl Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Arlington --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl I plan to be there. I built 633Z in 2003. It was the sport plane example at the 2004 flyin. Last year I flew in everyday but Thursday and worked on the ramp. I hope to do the same this year. It be great to talk with you. See you on the ramp. Joe E N633Z @ BFI 345 hours and still no paint! Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 64x49 http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/ On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Zodie Rocket wrote: > Hello List members, Who is going to Arlington? I am, and I will be there > ..........snip > Mark Townsend > Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.