Zenith-List Digest Archive

Fri 06/16/06


Total Messages Posted: 46



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:45 AM - Re: Arlington (Zodie Rocket)
     2. 05:38 AM - Re: LRI Systems (Roger Roy)
     3. 06:35 AM - Insuring your 801 (Chris In Madison)
     4. 06:47 AM - Re: XP Problems (William Dominguez)
     5. 07:15 AM - Re: Insuring your 801 (Randy Stout)
     6. 07:38 AM - Re: Insuring your 801 (Tom Faulkner)
     7. 07:38 AM - Re: Insuring your 801 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
     8. 07:54 AM - Re: Arlington (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
     9. 09:04 AM - Re: XP Problems (Trevor Page)
    10. 09:04 AM - Re: Insuring your 801 (Chris In Madison)
    11. 09:04 AM - Re: XP Problems (Craig Payne)
    12. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Insuring your 801 (Craig Payne)
    13. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Insuring your 801 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
    14. 09:48 AM - Re: Insuring your 801 (Chris In Madison)
    15. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Re: CH601HD/HDS Main Gear (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
    16. 10:24 AM - Re: Arlington (Dan Lykowski)
    17. 10:35 AM - Re: Rectangular LRI Indicator anyone? (David Barth)
    18. 10:36 AM - Re: Insuring your 801 (Al Young)
    19. 10:38 AM - Re: Arlington (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
    20. 10:42 AM - Re: Insuring your 801 (Chris In Madison)
    21. 11:28 AM - OOps.. Never make this mistake! (Jon Croke)
    22. 11:38 AM - Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 (Cory Emberson)
    23. 12:10 PM - Re: XP Problems (John Marzulli)
    24. 12:21 PM - Re: OOps.. Never make this mistake! (Graham Kirby)
    25. 01:16 PM - Re: Ooops.... (Zed Smith)
    26. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: Re: CH601HD/HDS Main Gear (ron dewees)
    27. 02:39 PM - Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 (Dave)
    28. 03:06 PM - LRI differential pressure gauges (David Mikesell)
    29. 03:32 PM - Re: OOps.. Never make this mistake! (Mike Sinclair)
    30. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: LRI Hook up (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
    31. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Re: CH601HD/HDS Main Gear (Bill Naumuk)
    32. 03:53 PM - Re: XP Problems (Bill Naumuk)
    33. 03:54 PM - Re: XP Problems (Bill Naumuk)
    34. 04:00 PM - Re: OOps.. Never make this mistake! (Gary Gower)
    35. 04:01 PM - Re: XP Problems (Bill Naumuk)
    36. 04:07 PM - Re: XP Problems (Bill Naumuk)
    37. 04:09 PM - Re: XP Problems (Bill Naumuk)
    38. 04:20 PM - Re: XP Problems (Craig Payne)
    39. 04:50 PM - Re: XP Problems (Bill Naumuk)
    40. 04:57 PM - Re: XP Problems (Bill Naumuk)
    41. 07:47 PM - Re: Arlington (wscribb)
    42. 07:54 PM - Re: Arlington (Roger Venables)
    43. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: Re: CH601HD/HDS Main Gear (Brandon Tucker)
    44. 08:39 PM - Re: Re: LRI Hook up (Randy Bryant)
    45. 08:41 PM - Re: LRI differential pressure gauges (Randy Bryant)
    46. 10:54 PM - Neutral flap position (Darryl Legg)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:45:42 AM PST US
    From: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
    Subject: Arlington
    Dave, since you=92re the only one camping that has responded, would you be able to host a small gathering at your trailer? Since there seems to only be 5 people who responded to the Arlington question I can only hazard a guess that we won=92t see many people. We could have it Thursday evening after the show. List how many actually go to this event? Do you want a gathering at Dave=92s trailer or the booth? This Is my first trip to Arlington so I=92m not sure of expectations in crowds. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Arlington I'll probably be at Arlington on Thursday the 6th. Most likely just me and my motor home. Don't think the wife is going this year. I guess I'll be OK without her. Dave in Salem -- --


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    Time: 05:38:19 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Roy" <savannah174@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: LRI Systems
    I agree David, Scott was pretty darn fast on the delivery end not to mention the quality of the product. Scott is pretty quick with technical answers to the installation as well, I'd say this was the best fifty bucks I ever spent. The folks at Dywer were quick as well in fact both the gage and the probe arrived the same day, today I get to install, Cheers DO NOT ARCHIVE RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: David Mikesell<mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:07 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems Just to let you guys know, I got my LRI probe from Scott. It is a great deal and really really fast on delivery. Thanks Scott! David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com<mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com> www.skyguynca.com<http://www.skyguynca.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com<mailto:JAPhillipsGA@aol.com> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LRI Systems David, write Scott here on the list. He is looking for a couple more potential LRI 'wanters' to set up his machinery to make the probes. best to you, Bill do not archive


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    Time: 06:35:07 AM PST US
    Subject: Insuring your 801
    From: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> Hi all, I was pretty excited about potentially owning and building a CH801. I had done all the research, looked at everything I can think of, and had decided that this was the plane for me. Then I called the insurance company... Avemco quoted me almost $5000/year for a $60K hull value! How do you folks keep these planes in the air with those kinds of premiums? It doesn't appear that the average builder of this plane has money growing from trees. What kind of coverage do you carry on your bird? Thanks and best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Still Dreaming of a CH801 Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41401#41401


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    Time: 06:47:57 AM PST US
    From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: XP Problems
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> Im an IT guy with 23 years in the field. I started before the Internet and email, during my career I witnessed the evolution of all this. Here are my golden rules: - Avoid using your ISP as email provider. Use your ISP only to access the internet and as email provider, use a separate free email provider like Yahoo, Google or Hotmail. So if you change your ISP provider, you dont lose your email account. - Unless you are in a corporate environment, avoid use Outlook as an email client application. Use a web based one, it is more convenient and safer. If you are using your ISPs email, use their web based interface if they have one (if your provider is alltel.net, it seems they have one, check this link http://mail.alltel.net/ ) The advantages are various, you can access your email from anyones computer, you will avoid all the security flaws that affect outlook, your messages will be immune for whatever happen to your computer because they will be stored on the net. Antivirus protections from web based email providers are always up to date. - When downloading applications, download from reputable sites like CNet, Webattack and others. - Avoid IE to browse the web, use Mozilla Firefox instead and use IE only in those few cases where a page is designed for IE and wont open correctly in Mozilla. Mozilla is safer, more convenient and have better privacy protection, it clean your tracks better ; ) - If you have DSL, a firewall is a must. - Run one or more spyware programs regularly. You might be surprise that I dont have a virus protection program running in any of my computers at home and I got viruses only twice in over 10 years. The first time the infection came from a diskette, the second time it came from software downloaded from Kazaa. I use Yahoo as email provider and I use their web interface. Im not against virus protection programs but I feel that I dont need them that much since most commons infections comes from security flaws in Outlook and I dont use it. Be aware that these are only my opinion and not necessary a consensus among other IT professionals, if there such a thing. Do Not Archive William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans --- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: > All- > Ever since I went to XP around the first of the > year I've had problems. You think you're talking to > a lister 1on1 and you wind up on the site (And vice > versa). You click on a link and the computer > crashes. Etc., etc. > Turned on my computer tonight and went to delete > the obvious junk mail. Crash. Lost everyone's posts > for 2 days. > Called my ISP and talked to someone who > (Hopefully)knew what they're doing. > He said to burn out Outlook Express and > reinstall. To make a long story shorter, the only > way of getting rid of OE/XP is to use the install > disc. I burned out the old version (Backup your .wab > files first) and reinstalled. > So far, at least I'm back on the site. > Hope this is the end of it, and hope this helps > anyone experiencing similar problems. > > Bill > __________________________________________________


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    Time: 07:15:48 AM PST US
    From: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Insuring your 801
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net> At $5K/ yr, Avemco is really telling you that they don't want to insure your plane. Shop around as prices will vary wildly. Try Falcon or Skysmith. Randy Stout n282rs"at"earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 > [Original Message] > From: Chris In Madison <cowens@cnw.com> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> > Date: 6/16/2006 8:42:40 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Insuring your 801 > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> > > Hi all, > > I was pretty excited about potentially owning and building a CH801. I had done all the research, looked at everything I can think of, and had decided that this was the plane for me. Then I called the insurance company... > > Avemco quoted me almost $5000/year for a $60K hull value! How do you folks keep these planes in the air with those kinds of premiums? It doesn't appear that the average builder of this plane has money growing from trees. > > What kind of coverage do you carry on your bird? > > Thanks and best regards, > Chris > > -------- > Chris Owens > Still Dreaming of a CH801 > Waunakee, WI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41401#41401 > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:38:28 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
    Subject: Insuring your 801
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net> Chris: Check with Falcon Ins. (EAA) We pay $2300 per year for our 801. Rates are dependent on your experience also. Tom Faulkner N801TP


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    Time: 07:38:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Insuring your 801
    From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> Hi Chris, That is a very steep premium, I pay about $1100 a year through the AOPA (AIG) and I have found them to be the cheapest by far. Two thoughts...1) What is your total experience and time in make and model? This will make a big difference. If you have just gotten your ticket you can expect a very high premium until you have a couple of hundred hours under you. I had 70hours when I first insured the HDS and my premium was double what it is now. 2) You have four seats. This means you (or your insurance company more to the point) have THREE times the liability risk...HUH?...Well you the pilot is not covered, only your passengers. This means you have the potential to kill three people where I can only nail one of them...I don't know how much of a cost driver this is but I bet its pretty substantial. What you can do is get onto AOPA and ask them to run a couple of scenarios for you...Like if you have no hours how much will it be with say 100 hours in type. The other option (maybe) is to build it as a two seater (leave back seats out) and certify somehow you will only fly one PX for the first year. That way you could get your airplane, build up time and then insure it for the three PX operation later. The other option is liability insurance only...Yes more risk for you but much cheaper. Anyway some thoughts for you. Frank HDS 400 hours -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris In Madison Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:32 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Insuring your 801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> Hi all, I was pretty excited about potentially owning and building a CH801. I had done all the research, looked at everything I can think of, and had decided that this was the plane for me. Then I called the insurance company... Avemco quoted me almost $5000/year for a $60K hull value! How do you folks keep these planes in the air with those kinds of premiums? It doesn't appear that the average builder of this plane has money growing from trees. What kind of coverage do you carry on your bird? Thanks and best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Still Dreaming of a CH801 Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41401#41401


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    Time: 07:54:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Arlington
    From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
    Ya good luck in finding it!..If its nice weather the place is an absolute zoo. Incidently, here are a couple of tips when flying from someone who has done it 5 times. 1) Download and MAKE sure you know the fly in procedures. Sounds obvious but as a low time pilot I was scared half to death, the place was a bee hive and planes were getting lost all over the place, the sun was bright and I felt a real risk of a mid air collision. 2) If low time AVOID flying in on Friday/Saturday...I purposly try to get there at the busiest time now 'cus its so much fun...But not if you don't have much time. 3) Pay attention here....Put the coordinates of the Green Valley airport into your GPS and save as a waypoint. Its almost impossible to find by sight and that seems to be the biggest issues in planes flying all over the place...A little risky if you ask me. So if you have a waypoint saved you fly to the waypoint and the controllers will call you up probably before you see the airfield...Even with the waypoint i have only seen Green Valley twice in 5 years! 4) The grass strip next to the main runway is only 1500ft long but LOOKS like its the same lenght as the 6000ft runway...Ask me how I know this!...As airplanes can sometimes hold short for the main runway right on the threashold to the grass runway so you will want to keep it high, but that makes the 1500 ft strip a little tricky. Personally in this fairly high stress environment I would stick to the pavement. Have fun, maybe I'll be up there in the RV7a next year...:) Frank HDS about to be sold RV7a..Piainting ________________________________ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zodie Rocket Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:40 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Arlington Dave, since you're the only one camping that has responded, would you be able to host a small gathering at your trailer? Since there seems to only be 5 people who responded to the Arlington question I can only hazard a guess that we won't see many people. We could have it Thursday evening after the show. List how many actually go to this event? Do you want a gathering at Dave's trailer or the booth? This Is my first trip to Arlington so I'm not sure of expectations in crowds. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com <http://www.can-zacaviation.com/> -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Arlington I'll probably be at Arlington on Thursday the 6th. Most likely just me and my motor home. Don't think the wife is going this year. I guess I'll be OK without her. Dave in Salem -- 6/15/2006 -- 6/15/2006


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    Time: 09:04:41 AM PST US
    From: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
    Subject: Re: XP Problems
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca> I certainly concur with William on his suggestions as my computer experience goes back 1976. The safest system use is a Mac of course (my choice) but some are scared of that persuasion so your best alternative is to NOT use any of the supplied Microsoft web access applications (Internet Exploder, Outlook/Outlook Express). Switch to Firefox and if you must use POP3/ IMAP then switch to the companion Thunderbird. Both are drop-in replacements for the former and work very well and are *much* safer. My customers report a 99% drop in infections and spyware by making this choice. Also, stay away from Norton AV as it slows down a computer 25-30%. Use AVG free and a good AntiSpyware program like Spyware Doctor. Oh, and if you think Vista will make things better you have another thing coming. The security "improvements" in it are so obtuse as to make it almost unbearable. Dialog boxes galore... I predict like I did for XP that the only way Microsoft is going to sell Vista in on new computers. Do Not Archive Trev Page C-IDUS 601HD R912 On Jun 16, 2006, at 9:45 AM, William Dominguez wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez > <bill_dom@yahoo.com> > > Im an IT guy with 23 years in the field. I started > before the Internet and email, during my career I > witnessed the evolution of all this. Here are my > golden rules: > > - Avoid using your ISP as email provider. Use your ISP > only to access the internet and as email provider, > use a separate free email provider like Yahoo, Google > or Hotmail. So if you change your ISP provider, you > dont lose your email account. > > - Unless you are in a corporate environment, avoid use > Outlook as an email client application. Use a web > based one, it is more convenient and safer. If you are > using your ISPs email, use their web based interface > if they have one (if your provider is alltel.net, it > seems they have one, check this link > http://mail.alltel.net/ ) The advantages are various, > you can access your email from anyones computer, you > will avoid all the security flaws that affect outlook, > your messages will be immune for whatever happen to > your computer because they will be stored on the net. > Antivirus protections from web based email providers > are always up to date. > > - When downloading applications, download from > reputable sites like CNet, Webattack and others. > > - Avoid IE to browse the web, use Mozilla Firefox > instead and use IE only in those few cases where a > page is designed for IE and wont open correctly in > Mozilla. Mozilla is safer, more convenient and have > better privacy protection, it clean your tracks better > ; ) > > - If you have DSL, a firewall is a must. > > - Run one or more spyware programs regularly. > > You might be surprise that I dont have a virus > protection program running in any of my computers at > home and I got viruses only twice in over 10 years. > The first time the infection came from a diskette, the > second time it came from software downloaded from > Kazaa. I use Yahoo as email provider and I use their > web interface. Im not against virus protection > programs but I feel that I dont need them that much > since most commons infections comes from security > flaws in Outlook and I dont use it. > > Be aware that these are only my opinion and not > necessary a consensus among other IT professionals, if > there such a thing. > > Do Not Archive > > William Dominguez > Zodiac 601XL Plans > > > --- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: > >> All- >> Ever since I went to XP around the first of the >> year I've had problems. You think you're talking to >> a lister 1on1 and you wind up on the site (And vice >> versa). You click on a link and the computer >> crashes. Etc., etc. >> Turned on my computer tonight and went to delete >> the obvious junk mail. Crash. Lost everyone's posts >> for 2 days. >> Called my ISP and talked to someone who >> (Hopefully)knew what they're doing. >> He said to burn out Outlook Express and >> reinstall. To make a long story shorter, the only >> way of getting rid of OE/XP is to use the install >> disc. I burned out the old version (Backup your .wab >> files first) and reinstalled. >> So far, at least I'm back on the site. >> Hope this is the end of it, and hope this helps >> anyone experiencing similar problems. >> >> Bill >> > > > __________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 09:04:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Insuring your 801
    From: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> Hi all, Thanks for your replies. Very helpful indeed. To clarify my situation a bit, I've not yet received my PPL, nor have I even started training yet (hopefully this Spring). I've been doing a lot of investigative groundwork up to this point to determine whether flying is economically feasible for me or not. So I thought I'd pick a plane that was closest to the C-172 I'd likely be training in and see how things compared. In actuality, it seems like the C-182 is the closest to the CH-801 in load-carrying abilities. Either way, a C-172 or C-182 would be roughly $1500-2000/year to insure even while still a student pilot. That's why I'm a little shocked at the price difference considering their similarities. I'll give Falcon a call as suggested. I tried calling them earlier in the day, but it was before office hours. I don't have unrealistic expectations, however. If I have to fly a certified airplane for a while before building my own, I'm fine with that. I just didn't expect such a high premium! Thanks and best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Still Dreaming of a CH801 Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41432#41432


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    Time: 09:04:41 AM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: XP Problems
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> >> Avoid using your ISP as email provider. Or just get your own domain (like "craigandjean.com"). Then your e-mail address (and web address) becomes portable and more memorable. Then have any ISP host your domain. -- Craig


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    Time: 09:21:21 AM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: Re: Insuring your 801
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> I also believe the quote depends on the engine you choose - at least between a commercial engine like the Jabiru or Rotax vs. an auto conversion. But many people flying Corvair engines have gotten reasonable rates (not to say you will be putting a Corvair on an 801). -- Craig


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    Time: 09:23:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Insuring your 801
    From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> Call the AOPA they were cheaper than Falcon for me. I don't think experimentals are inherently more expensive to insure than certifieds...OK I take that back...Well known experimentals are treated the same as a certified, that is Zeniths, RV's etc do not carry a premium over say a Cessna...At least not with AIG...I was told this by the lady at AOPA. What you have to remember too is that you are trying to insure an unknown quantity in flying a brand new airplane built by yourself. Bottom line your premium will come way down after the first year and if you factor in what you will have to pay your mechanic to service and inspect your C172 skydog, even $5k in insurance I bet will look like a good deal.. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris In Madison Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Insuring your 801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> Hi all, Thanks for your replies. Very helpful indeed. To clarify my situation a bit, I've not yet received my PPL, nor have I even started training yet (hopefully this Spring). I've been doing a lot of investigative groundwork up to this point to determine whether flying is economically feasible for me or not. So I thought I'd pick a plane that was closest to the C-172 I'd likely be training in and see how things compared. In actuality, it seems like the C-182 is the closest to the CH-801 in load-carrying abilities. Either way, a C-172 or C-182 would be roughly $1500-2000/year to insure even while still a student pilot. That's why I'm a little shocked at the price difference considering their similarities. I'll give Falcon a call as suggested. I tried calling them earlier in the day, but it was before office hours. I don't have unrealistic expectations, however. If I have to fly a certified airplane for a while before building my own, I'm fine with that. I just didn't expect such a high premium! Thanks and best regards, Chris -


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    Time: 09:48:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Insuring your 801
    From: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> Interestingly, I called AOPA this morning, and they essentially said they wouldn't touch it, presumably, as you said, because they're dealing with an unknown quantity (me, the non-pilot). I did, however, just get off the phone with Falcon in Oshkosh, and Bob said (as expected) get my PPL first, accumulate 100 hours, then it would be more attainable. He estimated about $2700/year with 100 hours flying and an EAA membership. That's a bit more reasonable. And, as you said, offset that with the maintenance cost difference, and it looks much better. Thanks again for your insights :-) Best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Still Dreaming of a CH801 Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41445#41445


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    Time: 09:55:12 AM PST US
    From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RE: CH601HD/HDS Main Gear
    Brandon, is there anything we can do to assist you in putting the pieces back together again ? Let us know, Best regards, Bill of Georgia


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    Time: 10:24:40 AM PST US
    From: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Arlington
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com> I'll be there for a few days. I've been looking forward to this show since we moved up here. Haven't had much time to work on my kit since I'm still assesing the damage done by the movers. NEVER.. I repeat NEVER use North American Van Lines to move your kit or any other items you care about. Dan Lykowski Dynon Avionics CH601 XL Builder w/Corvair --- Zodie Rocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote: > Hello List members, Who is going to Arlington? I am, > and I will be there > on Monday July 3rd, show doesnt start until the 5th > so I would like to > find others that will be there early so I can have > someone to chat with > for a couple of days. Also is anyone flying there? > > Mark Townsend > Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. > HYPERLINK > "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com > HYPERLINK > "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com > > > > > -- > > > -- > > __________________________________________________


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    Time: 10:35:29 AM PST US
    From: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Rectangular LRI Indicator anyone?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com> That rectangular guage looks like it would work great Craig. I myself wanted to have the LRI above the Instrument panel so I could watch it AND the view over the nose. I am using a Dwyer magnihelic (4 inch face) and recessing the bottom half into the sheet over the IP. I got one brand new in the box off ebay for $5. (hard to beat) I am also going to lean it away from the pilot so some degree and make a fairing to cover the top of it. It will be large and as close to the horizon as I can get any instrument. That is my rationale. If I were going to install in the IP then the rectangular guage looks great! David --- Craig Moore <moorecomp@yahoo.com> wrote: > All, > > Talk recently on the list re LRI's. Some have > previously made comments about the odd size of the > Dwyer minihelic gauge that is specified in the plans > at ch601.org. Out of curiosity, I found a ______________________________ David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org __________________________________________________


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    Time: 10:36:43 AM PST US
    From: "Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Re: Insuring your 801
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com> Chris- I Suggest you contact Gregg Ellsworth at gellsworth@AIR-PROS.com for a quote. I did last year and was sure glad I did. I also had a substantial claim which was handled with professionalism. I am sure he will help you. Regards, Al Young 601XL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Insuring your 801 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> > > Hi all, > > I was pretty excited about potentially owning and building a CH801. I had > done all the research, looked at everything I can think of, and had > decided that this was the plane for me. Then I called the insurance > company... > > Avemco quoted me almost $5000/year for a $60K hull value! How do you > folks keep these planes in the air with those kinds of premiums? It > doesn't appear that the average builder of this plane has money growing > from trees. > > What kind of coverage do you carry on your bird? > > Thanks and best regards, > Chris > > -------- > Chris Owens > Still Dreaming of a CH801 > Waunakee, WI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41401#41401 > > >


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    Time: 10:38:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Arlington
    From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> Oh dear I am sorry your kit got damaged. By the way, every time I go in my shop I just HAVE to switch on the Dynons in my RV7 panel just for the coolness factor...:) Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Lykowski Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Arlington --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski --> <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com> I'll be there for a few days. I've been looking forward to this show since we moved up here. Haven't had much time to work on my kit since I'm still assesing the damage done by the movers. NEVER.. I repeat NEVER use North American Van Lines to move your kit or any other items you care about. Dan Lykowski Dynon Avionics CH601 XL Builder w/Corvair --- Zodie Rocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote: > Hello List members, Who is going to Arlington? I am, and I will be > there on Monday July 3rd, show doesnt start until the 5th > so I would like to > find others that will be there early so I can have someone to chat > with for a couple of days. Also is anyone flying there? > > Mark Townsend > Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. > HYPERLINK > "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com > HYPERLINK > "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com > > > > > -- > > > -- > > __________________________________________________


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    Time: 10:42:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Insuring your 801
    From: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> Thanks for the tip, Al. I'll be sure to do that :-) Best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Still Dreaming of a CH801 Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41460#41460


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    Time: 11:28:46 AM PST US
    From: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
    Subject: OOps.. Never make this mistake!
    MessageThis was a terrible thing to do... (I just can't believe it!). But, I am not looking for sympathy or castigation... I AM looking for a Solution! Any ideas on making this right? Thanks in advance Jon (9 hrs and my own worst enemy) N701US


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    Time: 11:38:46 AM PST US
    From: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, How are you? I used your "transportation problem" in the story, and would like to put a little more identification in the story, such as where you live (city and/or province is fine) and what you fly now. Thank you! best, Cory Dave wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca> > > It's not quite what you asked for, but I did intend to buy a Zenith > and the deal fell through. For me the show stopper was transportation. > The plane is about 900 miles away. I would not fly an unfamilar > aircraft on such a journey, and the owner could not manage it. Truck > rental was far more expensive than even my worse nightmare, and none > of the transporting companies were interested. Even Ferry pilots were > not interested in flying homebuilts. I had arranged to get time to go > look at it but without a way to get it here, there seemed little > point. I've since found a plane, not a Zenith. I certainly had not > anticipated that something seemingly so simple would be a show stopper. > > As far a structural weak spots in earky Zeniths, examine the sheet > metal where the motor mount pass through the firewall carefully on > both sides, there is sometimes a little bending. While you are at the > firewall have a look at the nose gear for evidence of hard landings. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory Emberson" > <bootless@earthlink.net> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:45 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson >> <bootless@earthlink.net> >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> In a follow-up to my initial request for feedback on buying used >> Zenith aircraft, I'd like to get into the brass tacks. >> >> If you were to look at a used Zenith (any model - whichever you're >> most familiar with), what would be the top few items that would be a >> show-stopper for you in the first part of the pre-buy process? Any >> top items that would reel you in for a much closer look? >> >> And again, if you have been either the buyer or seller of a completed >> Zenith aircraft, or a partially completed kit, I would love to hear >> from you. Thanks very much! >> >> best, >> Cory Emberson >> Contributing Editor >> Kitplanes Magazine >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > >


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    Time: 12:10:29 PM PST US
    From: "John Marzulli" <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: XP Problems
    If anyone would like an invite to GMail ( it's free! ) I have 99 invites to dole out. For those of you who may not have heard of GMail before, it is a web-based email system produced by Google and is similar to Hotmail or Yahoo. GMail gives every user more than 2.5GBs of storage space. It has very good spam filtering and protects you against spoofed email addresses. You can learn more about Gmail at http://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en/about.html Just "little r" to me and I can send you an invite. John in Seattle http://701Builder.blogspot.com On 6/16/06, Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca> wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca> > > I certainly concur with William on his suggestions as my computer > experience goes back 1976. > The safest system use is a Mac of course (my choice) but some are > scared of that persuasion so your best alternative is to NOT use any > of the supplied Microsoft web access applications (Internet Exploder, > Outlook/Outlook Express). Switch to Firefox and if you must use POP3/ > IMAP then switch to the companion Thunderbird. Both are drop-in > replacements for the former and work very well and are *much* safer. > My customers report a 99% drop in infections and spyware by making > this choice. Also, stay away from Norton AV as it slows down a > computer 25-30%. Use AVG free and a good AntiSpyware program like > Spyware Doctor. > > Oh, and if you think Vista will make things better you have another > thing coming. The security "improvements" in it are so obtuse as to > make it almost unbearable. Dialog boxes galore... I predict like I > did for XP that the only way Microsoft is going to sell Vista in on > new computers. > > Do Not Archive > > Trev Page > C-IDUS 601HD R912 > > > On Jun 16, 2006, at 9:45 AM, William Dominguez wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez > > <bill_dom@yahoo.com> > > > > I'm an "IT guy" with 23 years in the field. I started > > before the Internet and email, during my career I > > witnessed the evolution of all this. Here are my > > golden rules: > > > > - Avoid using your ISP as email provider. Use your ISP > > only to access the internet and as email provider, > > use a separate free email provider like Yahoo, Google > > or Hotmail. So if you change your ISP provider, you > > don't lose your email account. > > > > - Unless you are in a corporate environment, avoid use > > Outlook as an email client application. Use a web > > based one, it is more convenient and safer. If you are > > using your ISP's email, use their web based interface > > if they have one (if your provider is alltel.net, it > > seems they have one, check this link > > http://mail.alltel.net/ ) The advantages are various, > > you can access your email from anyone's computer, you > > will avoid all the security flaws that affect outlook, > > your messages will be immune for whatever happen to > > your computer because they will be stored on the net. > > Antivirus protections from web based email providers > > are always up to date. > > > > - When downloading applications, download from > > reputable sites like CNet, Webattack and others. > > > > - Avoid IE to browse the web, use Mozilla Firefox > > instead and use IE only in those few cases where a > > page is designed for IE and won't open correctly in > > Mozilla. Mozilla is safer, more convenient and have > > better privacy protection, it clean your tracks better > > ; ) > > > > - If you have DSL, a firewall is a must. > > > > - Run one or more spyware programs regularly. > > > > You might be surprise that I don't have a virus > > protection program running in any of my computers at > > home and I got viruses only twice in over 10 years. > > The first time the infection came from a diskette, the > > second time it came from software downloaded from > > Kazaa. I use Yahoo as email provider and I use their > > web interface. I'm not against virus protection > > programs but I feel that I don't need them that much > > since most commons infections comes from security > > flaws in Outlook and I don't use it. > > > > Be aware that these are only my opinion and not > > necessary a consensus among other IT professionals, if > > there such a thing. > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > William Dominguez > > Zodiac 601XL Plans > > > > > > --- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: > > > >> All- > >> Ever since I went to XP around the first of the > >> year I've had problems. You think you're talking to > >> a lister 1on1 and you wind up on the site (And vice > >> versa). You click on a link and the computer > >> crashes. Etc., etc. > >> Turned on my computer tonight and went to delete > >> the obvious junk mail. Crash. Lost everyone's posts > >> for 2 days. > >> Called my ISP and talked to someone who > >> (Hopefully)knew what they're doing. > >> He said to burn out Outlook Express and > >> reinstall. To make a long story shorter, the only > >> way of getting rid of OE/XP is to use the install > >> disc. I burned out the old version (Backup your .wab > >> files first) and reinstalled. > >> So far, at least I'm back on the site. > >> Hope this is the end of it, and hope this helps > >> anyone experiencing similar problems. > >> > >> Bill > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/


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    Time: 12:21:38 PM PST US
    From: "Graham Kirby" <gk@601hd.com>
    Subject: OOps.. Never make this mistake!
    Jon Ooh that is nasty! If you can cut or drill a small "inspection hole" through the skin and cork you should be able to use a single rivet to plug the hole in the tank. You can get Cherry Q self plugging rivets up to 1/4 inch in diameter. Clean the wound and splat some proseal around the infected area before riveting. If you can clean the inside of the tank around the puncture a dab of proseal on the inside shouldn't hurt as long as the surface is very clean. For a more elaborate fix, or to bridge a bigger hole you might want to add some large homemade aluminum washers to go on the inside and outside of the repair. I wouldn't bother covering the inspection hole until you know the problem is cured completely. Of course you also want to look out for debris from the hole in the finger strainer and fuel filter. A while back I think Frank H mentioned that Vans had a proseal equivalent that could be bought in tiny amounts. Probably perfect for this kind of job. Graham Kirby 601HD


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    Time: 01:16:03 PM PST US
    From: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: RE: Ooops....
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> Jon, Oh,my.....and I'd bet a case of Longnecks that the lady from the Foul Language Patrol is still blushing. This may be where the latest drawings should be updated to indicate the installation of a fuel drain. The JB Weld corporate office is about thirty miles from here; shall I give them your address? Salvage what you can of the weekend. Regards, Zed do not archive this, or the ooops.jpg photo


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    Time: 01:34:33 PM PST US
    From: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: RE: CH601HD/HDS Main Gear
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com> Brandon, I thought the gear legs look like a great platform for hard points to mount machine guns and bombs on. Have you considered a military conversion? Early Mooney Mites were once fitted with .30 cal guns for an Army contract. It didnt' work out tho :-( Ron Definitely don't archive JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > Brandon, is there anything we can do to assist you in putting the > pieces back together again ? Let us know, Best regards, Bill of Georgia


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    Time: 02:39:26 PM PST US
    From: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Re: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca> Hi, I live in Nova Scotia. The aircraft was in Ontario. In the States it might well have been an easier problem to solve as there are several agencies that can provide transport service. Here in Canada it is even difficult to rent a truck for one way transport. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net> > > Hi Dave, > > How are you? I used your "transportation problem" in the story, and would > like to put a little more identification in the story, such as where you > live (city and/or province is fine) and what you fly now. > > Thank you! > > best, Cory > > Dave wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca> >> >> It's not quite what you asked for, but I did intend to buy a Zenith and >> the deal fell through. For me the show stopper was transportation. The >> plane is about 900 miles away. I would not fly an unfamilar aircraft on >> such a journey, and the owner could not manage it. Truck rental was far >> more expensive than even my worse nightmare, and none of the transporting >> companies were interested. Even Ferry pilots were not interested in >> flying homebuilts. I had arranged to get time to go look at it but >> without a way to get it here, there seemed little point. I've since found >> a plane, not a Zenith. I certainly had not anticipated that something >> seemingly so simple would be a show stopper. >> >> As far a structural weak spots in earky Zeniths, examine the sheet metal >> where the motor mount pass through the firewall carefully on both sides, >> there is sometimes a little bending. While you are at the firewall have a >> look at the nose gear for evidence of hard landings. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory Emberson" >> <bootless@earthlink.net> >> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:45 AM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Kitplanes Request - Buying Used Zenith A/C - Part 2 >> >> >>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson >>> <bootless@earthlink.net> >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> In a follow-up to my initial request for feedback on buying used Zenith >>> aircraft, I'd like to get into the brass tacks. >>> >>> If you were to look at a used Zenith (any model - whichever you're most >>> familiar with), what would be the top few items that would be a >>> show-stopper for you in the first part of the pre-buy process? Any top >>> items that would reel you in for a much closer look? >>> >>> And again, if you have been either the buyer or seller of a completed >>> Zenith aircraft, or a partially completed kit, I would love to hear from >>> you. Thanks very much! >>> >>> best, >>> Cory Emberson >>> Contributing Editor >>> Kitplanes Magazine >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >>> http://wiki.matronics.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > >


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    Time: 03:06:18 PM PST US
    From: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
    Subject: LRI differential pressure gauges
    The on Scott recommends I purchased on ebay for $20 and $10 postage. There are still 5 left from the same person, ebay item number 7610207283 David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com


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    Time: 03:32:41 PM PST US
    From: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@ATT.NET>
    Subject: Re: OOps.. Never make this mistake!
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net> Jon I really can't comment too much about how to fix the leak. But as for the location of the door catch, I aligned mine lengthwise with the spar. To attach, I counter sunk the nylon fairly deep and used A5 rivets with a flat nosed anvil on the puller. That way the A5's could be used in a couple of locations instead of A4 that normally hold the lower skins to the spar. Where the catch overlapped an existing A4 that wouldn't work with holding the catch, I also put a countersink on the skin side of the catch to clear the rivet head. This kept all drilling and rivets away from the wing tank. Good luck on the repair and congrats on getting your bird back in the air. Mike Jon Croke wrote: > This was a terrible thing to do... (I just can't believe it!).


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    Time: 03:40:33 PM PST US
    From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
    Subject: Re: LRI Hook up
    Ron, I have my AOA LRI ready to connect, probe mounted and tubing ran, but not sure which is positive and negative. The back of the gauge has it marked, but on the probe which is which ? High side and low side. I'll be at the hanger all weekend if you're looking for a place to land, Best regards, Bill


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    Time: 03:46:05 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
    Subject: Re: RE: CH601HD/HDS Main Gear
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> Brandon- The last thing I would ever say is "I told you so" to someone with the gumption to experiment, and I apologize if my post was written in such a way as to imply that. I really do. Also, I always have to present the results of "Proof of concept" experiments at work before getting free rein to the checkbook, and forget that other people don't do this automatically, like Pavlov's dog. Sometimes POC is a really good policy, and sometimes it's a PITA that holds projects back unnecessarily. The fact that you had the restraint to wait before answering is a good sign in that you have the patience to work your way out of your mess. If there is a flying example with your gear mod, (You've probably come to this conclusion yourself) do some more research and find out what you missed. There had to be something, or you would be airworthy. Hopefully, it's just some additional bracing that won't require a major rebuild. Good luck. We're all in this together, and I'm pulling for you. (Red Green, 19(??) to date). I deleted your original message to cut down on the bandwidth. Bill do not archive


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    Time: 03:53:28 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
    Subject: Re: XP Problems
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> Matt- 1. The only site I regularly visit is the Zenith list. You're really slacking as an administrator, because I still haven't seen any pictures of naked babes using a prop for a stripper pole! 2. I have NAV and Windows Firewall up and running. 3. Knock on wood, I've been 3 days without a problem after following the advice of my ISP. Hopefully, the problem is now a non-issue. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XP Problems > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> > > Well, you should stop clicking on all those porn sites, Bill... Ha ha. > > Seriously, invest in a good spyware program like Web Root's Spysweeper or > Ad-Aware. Most of your problems are caused by things that get downloaded > to your computer from either email or web links. I've been running XP on > over a dozen computers, a number of which I routinely use for email and > web browsing, and have found XP to be by far the most stable version of > Windows ever. Make sure that you have XP Service Pack 2 installed too and > that you keep your Windows Updates up to date. Weekly is not too often. > Also, keep a good virus program like Norton Antivirus installed and up to > date. You can never be too up to date. And never run without them > installed "just for a little while". There are so many ways to be > attacked these days, that even an hour without protection will probably > yield you infected with something. Windows Service Pack 2 has a really > good built in firewall now, and you should run this all the time without > question. > > Matt Dralle > > do not archive > > > At 06:53 PM 6/15/2006 Thursday, you wrote: >>All- >> Ever since I went to XP around the first of the year I've had >> problems. You think you're talking to a lister 1on1 and you wind up on >> the site (And vice versa). You click on a link and the computer crashes. >> Etc., etc. >> Turned on my computer tonight and went to delete the obvious junk >> mail. Crash. Lost everyone's posts for 2 days. >> Called my ISP and talked to someone who (Hopefully)knew what they're >> doing. >> He said to burn out Outlook Express and reinstall. To make a long >> story shorter, the only way of getting rid of OE/XP is to use the install >> disc. I burned out the old version (Backup your .wab files first) and >> reinstalled. >> So far, at least I'm back on the site. >> Hope this is the end of it, and hope this helps anyone experiencing >> similar problems. >> Bill >> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >


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    Time: 03:54:30 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
    Subject: Re: XP Problems
    John- Firefox is incompatable with a number of my other programs- already tried. Thanks, for the input, though. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: John Marzulli To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:47 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XP Problems Another way to provide some extra safety is to use Firefox ( http://www.mozilla.com ) as your web browser. By design Firefox does not allow "ActiveX controls" to run, and suppresses pop-up ads. Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 will also try to protect you against "phishing" sites. For antivirus AntiVir ( http://www.free-av.com ) is a good choice and free ( as in beer ). I also suggest Ad-Aware ( http://www.lavasoft.de/software/adaware/ ) to get rid of malevolent programs. And if you are still having problems, you can always turn to Microsoft OneCare ( http://www.windowsonecare.com/ ) for these tools. John In Seattle http://701Builder.blogspot.com On 6/15/06, Matt Dralle < dralle@matronics.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle < dralle@matronics.com> Well, you should stop clicking on all those porn sites, Bill... Ha ha. Seriously, invest in a good spyware program like Web Root's Spysweeper or Ad-Aware. Most of your problems are caused by things that get downloaded to your computer from either email or web links. I've been running XP on over a dozen computers, a number of which I routinely use for email and web browsing, and have found XP to be by far the most stable version of Windows ever. Make sure that you have XP Service Pack 2 installed too and that you keep your Windows Updates up to date. Weekly is not too often. Also, keep a good virus program like Norton Antivirus installed and up to date. You can never be too up to date. And never run without them installed "just for a little while". There are so many ways to be attacked these days, that even an hour without protection will probably yield you infected with something. Windows Service Pack 2 has a really good built in firewall now, and you should run this all the time without question. Matt Dralle do not archive At 06:53 PM 6/15/2006 Thursday, you wrote: >All- > Ever since I went to XP around the first of the year I've had problems. You think you're talking to a lister 1on1 and you wind up on the site (And vice versa). You click on a link and the computer crashes. Etc., etc. > Turned on my computer tonight and went to delete the obvious junk mail. Crash. Lost everyone's posts for 2 days. > Called my ISP and talked to someone who (Hopefully)knew what they're doing. > He said to burn out Outlook Express and reinstall. To make a long story shorter, the only way of getting rid of OE/XP is to use the install disc. I burned out the old version (Backup your .wab files first) and reinstalled. > So far, at least I'm back on the site. > Hope this is the end of it, and hope this helps anyone experiencing similar problems. > Bill > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ========================= - The Zenith-List Email Forics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"> ========================= ========================= t the All New Matronics Email List Wiki! ========================= sp; - List Contributi &nb-> http://www.matronic================== ========================= ==


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    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: OOps.. Never make this mistake!
    Jon, The only thing I can sugest, other than a mayor repair, that is removing, opening the wing and taking out the tank for repair is: VERY Carefully make a little inspection window (about 1"dia), remove the cork and using a rivet with the diameter of the damage hole in the tank, apply the rivet with some JB Weld on it. Not much, just to seal around the rivet, then once riveted, aply a little more JBW where the puller nail is... Will make a good sealed repair. Leave it overnight and test, once ready make a patch disk for the inspection hole, and use a very little amount of JBW around the edge of the "disk" to hold it, Will hold well, if you use to much, you will not be able to carefully grind it off with a dremel, if ever you need to. There is a new 15 minutes JB Weld (for me at least), but is better the old known one that a new one. Hope this helps. If I found another option soon, will let you know. I made a similar repair in my factory's truck gas tank, maid by a 1/2" rod, the front wheel pulled up, I used the same process and a 1/2" bolt with JB Weld. Still in place 10 years later, not even corrosion problems... Saludos Gary Gower I know, is not an AP repair, but is an Experimental repair :-) Every time I visit USA for vacations, I buy a few sets of JBW and some other goodies not found here... Jon Croke <jon@joncroke.com> wrote:Message Clean Clean DocumentEmail MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} This was a terrible thing to do... (I just can't believe it!). 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    Time: 04:01:51 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
    Subject: Re: XP Problems
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> Bill- I agree with a lot of your suggestions (Especially Outlook, which is a PITA), but this is shaping up to be a corrupted OE installation problem. I also totally agree that XP is the first Microsoft product since Excel 3.1 I've been impressed with, although it is tough to find files in new locations. Thanks for your input. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Dominguez" <bill_dom@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XP Problems > --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> > > I'm an "IT guy" with 23 years in the field. I started > before the Internet and email, during my career I > witnessed the evolution of all this. Here are my > golden rules: > > - Avoid using your ISP as email provider. Use your ISP > only to access the internet and as email provider, > use a separate free email provider like Yahoo, Google > or Hotmail. So if you change your ISP provider, you > don't lose your email account. > > - Unless you are in a corporate environment, avoid use > Outlook as an email client application. Use a web > based one, it is more convenient and safer. If you are > using your ISP's email, use their web based interface > if they have one (if your provider is alltel.net, it > seems they have one, check this link > http://mail.alltel.net/ ) The advantages are various, > you can access your email from anyone's computer, you > will avoid all the security flaws that affect outlook, > your messages will be immune for whatever happen to > your computer because they will be stored on the net. > Antivirus protections from web based email providers > are always up to date. > > - When downloading applications, download from > reputable sites like CNet, Webattack and others. > > - Avoid IE to browse the web, use Mozilla Firefox > instead and use IE only in those few cases where a > page is designed for IE and won't open correctly in > Mozilla. Mozilla is safer, more convenient and have > better privacy protection, it clean your tracks better > ; ) > > - If you have DSL, a firewall is a must. > > - Run one or more spyware programs regularly. > > You might be surprise that I don't have a virus > protection program running in any of my computers at > home and I got viruses only twice in over 10 years. > The first time the infection came from a diskette, the > second time it came from software downloaded from > Kazaa. I use Yahoo as email provider and I use their > web interface. I'm not against virus protection > programs but I feel that I don't need them that much > since most commons infections comes from security > flaws in Outlook and I don't use it. > > Be aware that these are only my opinion and not > necessary a consensus among other IT professionals, if > there such a thing. > > Do Not Archive > > William Dominguez > Zodiac 601XL Plans > > > --- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: > >> All- >> Ever since I went to XP around the first of the >> year I've had problems. You think you're talking to >> a lister 1on1 and you wind up on the site (And vice >> versa). You click on a link and the computer >> crashes. Etc., etc. >> Turned on my computer tonight and went to delete >> the obvious junk mail. Crash. Lost everyone's posts >> for 2 days. >> Called my ISP and talked to someone who >> (Hopefully)knew what they're doing. >> He said to burn out Outlook Express and >> reinstall. To make a long story shorter, the only >> way of getting rid of OE/XP is to use the install >> disc. I burned out the old version (Backup your .wab >> files first) and reinstalled. >> So far, at least I'm back on the site. >> Hope this is the end of it, and hope this helps >> anyone experiencing similar problems. >> >> Bill >> > > > __________________________________________________ > > >


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    Time: 04:07:55 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
    Subject: Re: XP Problems
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> Trevor- I'd already purchased and installed NAV '05 on the advice of a friend before finding out about AVG (Which was also recommended by my ISP). Compared to earlier versions, the version I have at home is no problem at all. Not true with the server version at work, which is a nightmare. Thanks for your input. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XP Problems > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca> > > I certainly concur with William on his suggestions as my computer > experience goes back 1976. > The safest system use is a Mac of course (my choice) but some are scared > of that persuasion so your best alternative is to NOT use any of the > supplied Microsoft web access applications (Internet Exploder, > Outlook/Outlook Express). Switch to Firefox and if you must use POP3/ IMAP > then switch to the companion Thunderbird. Both are drop-in replacements > for the former and work very well and are *much* safer. > My customers report a 99% drop in infections and spyware by making this > choice. Also, stay away from Norton AV as it slows down a computer > 25-30%. Use AVG free and a good AntiSpyware program like Spyware Doctor. > > Oh, and if you think Vista will make things better you have another thing > coming. The security "improvements" in it are so obtuse as to make it > almost unbearable. Dialog boxes galore... I predict like I did for XP > that the only way Microsoft is going to sell Vista in on new computers. > > Do Not Archive > > Trev Page > C-IDUS 601HD R912 > > > On Jun 16, 2006, at 9:45 AM, William Dominguez wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez >> <bill_dom@yahoo.com> >> >> Im an IT guy with 23 years in the field. I started >> before the Internet and email, during my career I >> witnessed the evolution of all this. Here are my >> golden rules: >> >> - Avoid using your ISP as email provider. Use your ISP >> only to access the internet and as email provider, >> use a separate free email provider like Yahoo, Google >> or Hotmail. So if you change your ISP provider, you >> dont lose your email account. >> >> - Unless you are in a corporate environment, avoid use >> Outlook as an email client application. Use a web >> based one, it is more convenient and safer. If you are >> using your ISPs email, use their web based interface >> if they have one (if your provider is alltel.net, it >> seems they have one, check this link >> http://mail.alltel.net/ ) The advantages are various, >> you can access your email from anyones computer, you >> will avoid all the security flaws that affect outlook, >> your messages will be immune for whatever happen to >> your computer because they will be stored on the net. >> Antivirus protections from web based email providers >> are always up to date. >> >> - When downloading applications, download from >> reputable sites like CNet, Webattack and others. >> >> - Avoid IE to browse the web, use Mozilla Firefox >> instead and use IE only in those few cases where a >> page is designed for IE and wont open correctly in >> Mozilla. Mozilla is safer, more convenient and have >> better privacy protection, it clean your tracks better >> ; ) >> >> - If you have DSL, a firewall is a must. >> >> - Run one or more spyware programs regularly. >> >> You might be surprise that I dont have a virus >> protection program running in any of my computers at >> home and I got viruses only twice in over 10 years. >> The first time the infection came from a diskette, the >> second time it came from software downloaded from >> Kazaa. I use Yahoo as email provider and I use their >> web interface. Im not against virus protection >> programs but I feel that I dont need them that much >> since most commons infections comes from security >> flaws in Outlook and I dont use it. >> >> Be aware that these are only my opinion and not >> necessary a consensus among other IT professionals, if >> there such a thing. >> >> Do Not Archive >> >> William Dominguez >> Zodiac 601XL Plans >> >> >> --- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: >> >>> All- >>> Ever since I went to XP around the first of the >>> year I've had problems. You think you're talking to >>> a lister 1on1 and you wind up on the site (And vice >>> versa). You click on a link and the computer >>> crashes. Etc., etc. >>> Turned on my computer tonight and went to delete >>> the obvious junk mail. Crash. Lost everyone's posts >>> for 2 days. >>> Called my ISP and talked to someone who >>> (Hopefully)knew what they're doing. >>> He said to burn out Outlook Express and >>> reinstall. To make a long story shorter, the only >>> way of getting rid of OE/XP is to use the install >>> disc. I burned out the old version (Backup your .wab >>> files first) and reinstalled. >>> So far, at least I'm back on the site. >>> Hope this is the end of it, and hope this helps >>> anyone experiencing similar problems. >>> >>> Bill >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > >


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    Time: 04:09:18 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
    Subject: Re: XP Problems
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> Craig- Fine, except my webmail is blocked at work by the server firewall Always something! Thanks for your input. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XP Problems > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> > >>> Avoid using your ISP as email provider. > > Or just get your own domain (like "craigandjean.com"). Then your e-mail > address (and web address) becomes portable and more memorable. Then have > any > ISP host your domain. > > -- Craig > > >


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    Time: 04:20:31 PM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: XP Problems
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> Actually having your own domain does not imply webmail. I get my personal e-mail via POP3. My mail passes through my ISP's mail servers but nothing else. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XP Problems --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> Craig- Fine, except my webmail is blocked at work by the server firewall Always something! Thanks for your input. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XP Problems > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> > >>> Avoid using your ISP as email provider. > > Or just get your own domain (like "craigandjean.com"). Then your e-mail > address (and web address) becomes portable and more memorable. Then have > any > ISP host your domain. > > -- Craig > > >


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    Time: 04:50:46 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
    Subject: Re: XP Problems
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> Craig- Just had another crash immediately after reinstalling software for a 56K modem that had a version of CallWave buillt in still installed on my computer. (US Robotics). Microsoft XP diagnosis kept saying there was a conflict, maybe this is it. No big deal to open up the case and pull the old modem. Bill do not archive


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    Time: 04:57:02 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
    Subject: Re: XP Problems
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> Done. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XP Problems > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> > > Craig- > Just had another crash immediately after reinstalling software for a > 56K modem that had a version of CallWave buillt in still installed on my > computer. (US Robotics). > Microsoft XP diagnosis kept saying there was a conflict, maybe this is > it. No big deal to open up the case and pull the old modem. > > Bill > do not archive > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > >


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    Time: 07:47:39 PM PST US
    From: "wscribb" <wscribb@centurytel.net>
    Subject: Arlington
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "wscribb" <wscribb@centurytel.net> Hello Mark, I'll be attending the Arlington event again this year, on either Wednesday or Thursday. Is there a recommended gathering spot? Bill Cribb Scratch Building 601XL/Corvair 90% there Gig Harbor WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zodie Rocket Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Arlington Hello List members, Who is going to Arlington? I am, and I will be there on Monday July 3rd, show doesn't start until the 5th so I would like to find others that will be there early so I can have someone to chat with for a couple of days. Also is anyone flying there? Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com <http://www.can-zacaviation.com/> -- 6/14/2006 -- 6/15/2006


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    Time: 07:54:28 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Venables" <roger@nwtradingpost.com>
    Subject: Arlington
    Mark I would be very interested in attending any gathering after hours at Arlington Would have responded before but unfortunately can't take the time off during the day (have to pay for my 701 somehow!) Roger Venables CH 701 - busy on wings _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zodie Rocket Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:40 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Arlington Dave, since you're the only one camping that has responded, would you be able to host a small gathering at your trailer? Since there seems to only be 5 people who responded to the Arlington question I can only hazard a guess that we won't see many people. We could have it Thursday evening after the show. List how many actually go to this event? Do you want a gathering at Dave's trailer or the booth? This Is my first trip to Arlington so I'm not sure of expectations in crowds. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com <http://www.can-zacaviation.com/> -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Arlington I'll probably be at Arlington on Thursday the 6th. Most likely just me and my motor home. Don't think the wife is going this year. I guess I'll be OK without her. Dave in Salem -- 6/15/2006 -- 6/15/2006


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    Time: 08:22:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Re: RE: CH601HD/HDS Main Gear
    From: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com> Bill and Bill, Thanks for the offers for help. I was in a motorcycle accident yesterday, which is slowing me down a bit. -Bad oil slick on a freeway offramp. It got me out of work today, but didn't keep me out of the hangar. I am pretty scratched up and bruised, but I fabricated some XL style mounts out of 4130, and mounted them in the plane. I am much happier with this setup. I have to add some extrusion supports, but it will be much stiffer and a little lighter than the first try. I used the XL plans as a reference, so they should be good to go. -Sorry I was a little pissy on the last post - must have been the Percocet... VR/ Brandon HDS Corvair almost flying do not archive __________________________________________________


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    Time: 08:39:12 PM PST US
    From: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
    Subject: Re: LRI Hook up
    The high pressure side is the hole coming out of the "side of the probe"... The low pressure is the one drilled through the bottom of the probe... Randy Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: LRI Hook up Ron, I have my AOA LRI ready to connect, probe mounted and tubing ran, but not sure which is positive and negative. The back of the gauge has it marked, but on the probe which is which ? High side and low side. I'll be at the hanger all weekend if you're looking for a place to land, Best regards, Bill


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    Time: 08:41:55 PM PST US
    From: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
    Subject: Re: LRI differential pressure gauges
    This guage is a 4 1/2" face size... I believe the one Scott and the LRI plans recommends is about 1/2 that size.. Thanks, Randy Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: David Mikesell To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Zenith-List: LRI differential pressure gauges The on Scott recommends I purchased on ebay for $20 and $10 postage. There are still 5 left from the same person, ebay item number 7610207283 David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com


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    Time: 10:54:52 PM PST US
    From: Darryl Legg <dlegg@tpg.com.au>
    Subject: Neutral flap position
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Darryl Legg <dlegg@tpg.com.au> Hi all, Just wondering how to set the neutral flap position, as with flap fully up on my XL and touching wing rear channel the flap surface is not level with aileron. Plans don't seem to be very clear on this point. With flap level with wing and aileron how much of a gap between channel is acceptable? Thanks, Darryl.




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