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1. 03:32 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Zodie Rocket)
2. 05:09 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (ROBERT SCEPPA)
3. 05:10 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (ROBERT SCEPPA)
4. 06:15 AM - Re: Zodiac 610XL Newbie (Al Young)
5. 07:26 AM - 701 floats (Chris Harding)
6. 08:00 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Randy Bryant)
7. 08:17 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
8. 08:41 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (martyn@flight.co.za)
9. 08:54 AM - Re: Lost canopy (Timothy D. Perkins)
10. 09:04 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Randy Bryant)
11. 09:16 AM - Re: 701 floats (Jean-Paul Roy)
12. 09:31 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Randy Bryant)
13. 10:07 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Jaybannist@cs.com)
14. 10:36 AM - More dimensions (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
15. 10:48 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Randy Bryant)
16. 11:13 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Jaybannist@cs.com)
17. 01:13 PM - One last reality check (Larry Winger)
18. 01:21 PM - Re: More dimensions (Jim Hoak)
19. 01:23 PM - Re: Zodiac 610XL Newbie (Mike H)
20. 02:03 PM - Re: One last reality check (Big Gee)
21. 02:49 PM - Re: One last reality check (Craig Payne)
22. 02:50 PM - Gear Dimensions (LarryMcFarland)
23. 03:02 PM - Re: More dimensions (LarryMcFarland)
24. 03:05 PM - Re: One last reality check (Christopher Smith)
25. 05:30 PM - Am I borked? (John Marzulli)
26. 05:42 PM - Link for pics of 601 with Gull wing doors (Big Gee)
27. 05:43 PM - Arlington (Dave Ruddiman)
28. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Lost Canopy (Bob Miller)
29. 06:45 PM - Re: One last reality check (Dave)
30. 07:04 PM - Bad luck (Brandon Tucker)
31. 07:41 PM - Re: Bad luck (Steve Hulland)
32. 07:58 PM - Gas Cap Troubles (Michael Valentine)
33. 08:41 PM - Re: One last reality check (Zodie Rocket)
34. 09:10 PM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Zodie Rocket)
35. 09:21 PM - Re: ARLINGTON (Zodie Rocket)
36. 09:34 PM - Picking up kits from factory (Josh)
37. 10:00 PM - Re: Picking up kits from factory (Craig Payne)
38. 11:17 PM - Re: Picking up kits from factory (Tom and Bren Henderson)
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| Subject: | Aluminum Order?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Keep in mind to double check the layouts of the sheets against your set
of plans. Their actually is no .020 in the Zodiac 601XL but in this
layout the .020 has been substituted for the .016, personally if I were
starting over I would also go this route as it will produce a better
finish on your skins. But ailerons must stay at .016. Check locally at a
place called Brass and Copper I believe is the name. You pricing from
ACS seems in order and I'm not sure if you can do better, but those are
the prices I was paying for single sheets when I bought my alum when
buying a large quantity in one shot like you are planning you should be
able to do much better. There are locations in Tennessee and Missouri. I
would also recommend calling Zenith Aircraft and getting a quote from
them, they would likely sell you sheets also.
Copper and Brass
Memphis
4056 Homewood Road
Suite 3
Memphis, TN 38118
Sales: 800-926-2600
Sales Fax: 901 360 9415
St. Louis
1215 Dielman Industrial Court
Olivette, MO 63132
Sales: 800-926-2600
Sales Fax: 847-490-9081
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hines
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:36 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
<John.Hines@craftontull.com>
I looked at the part layouts on ch601.org. Here are the quantities and
sizes I came up with. I already have my tail section complete from a
kit and I was hoping I didn't have to purchase as much aluminum. But
the tail parts are scattered throughout all the sheets and it looks like
I am stuck purchasing 26 sheets. Anyway, below are the quantities and
the prices from Aircraft Spruce. How much is shipping on an order like
this? Are these good prices?
Thickness Size Qnty Price Sub Total
0.016 144 x 48 1 $89.00 $89.00
0.020 144 x 48 2 $105.55 $211.10
0.020 96 x 48 1 $84.80 $84.80
0.025 144 x 48 13 $78.00 $1,014.00
0.025 96 x 48 2 $51.92 $103.84
0.032 144 x 48 2 $100.95 $201.90
0.040 144 x 48 1 $127.95 $127.95
0.063 48 x 24 1 $32.12 $32.12
0.090 24 x 24 1 $21.60 $21.60
0.125 24 x 24 1 $29.92 $29.92
0.1875 3.8 x 3.3 1 $0.00
Total Price $1,916.23
John
John R. Hines
IT Manager
Crafton, Tull & Associates, Inc.
901 N. 47th Street, Suite 200
Rogers, AR 72756
Office: 479-878-2449
Mobile: 479-366-4783
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Order?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Hi John, the prices are fine, when I looked at the
> shipping charges for my area, it wasn't worth it.
> I live here in the Northeast in Mass. I ordered my
> aluminum from Yarde Metals and picked it up in NH.
> I paid $285 for 3 sheets of .025 and they cut it
> for me with a $60 cutting charge. I put it all in
> my station wagon. I have to get more aluminum and
> will do the same as before. Bob S. Do not archive.
--- John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> I looked at the part layouts on ch601.org. Here are
> the quantities and
> sizes I came up with. I already have my tail
> section complete from a
> kit and I was hoping I didn't have to purchase as
> much aluminum. But
> the tail parts are scattered throughout all the
> sheets and it looks like
> I am stuck purchasing 26 sheets. Anyway, below are
> the quantities and
> the prices from Aircraft Spruce. How much is
> shipping on an order like
> this? Are these good prices?
>
> Thickness Size Qnty Price Sub Total
> 0.016 144 x 48 1 $89.00 $89.00
> 0.020 144 x 48 2 $105.55 $211.10
> 0.020 96 x 48 1 $84.80 $84.80
> 0.025 144 x 48 13 $78.00 $1,014.00
> 0.025 96 x 48 2 $51.92 $103.84
> 0.032 144 x 48 2 $100.95 $201.90
> 0.040 144 x 48 1 $127.95 $127.95
> 0.063 48 x 24 1 $32.12 $32.12
> 0.090 24 x 24 1 $21.60 $21.60
> 0.125 24 x 24 1 $29.92 $29.92
> 0.1875 3.8 x 3.3 1 $0.00
>
>
> Total Price $1,916.23
>
> John
>
>
> John R. Hines
> IT Manager
> Crafton, Tull & Associates, Inc.
> 901 N. 47th Street, Suite 200
> Rogers, AR 72756
> Office: 479-878-2449
> Mobile: 479-366-4783
> Fax: 479-631-6224
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Order?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Hi John, the prices are fine, when I looked at the
> shipping charges for my area, it wasn't worth it.
> I live here in the Northeast in Mass. I ordered my
> aluminum from Yarde Metals and picked it up in NH.
> I paid $285 for 3 sheets of .025 and they cut it
> for me with a $60 cutting charge. I put it all in
> my station wagon. I have to get more aluminum and
> will do the same as before. Bob S. Do not archive.
--- John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> I looked at the part layouts on ch601.org. Here are
> the quantities and
> sizes I came up with. I already have my tail
> section complete from a
> kit and I was hoping I didn't have to purchase as
> much aluminum. But
> the tail parts are scattered throughout all the
> sheets and it looks like
> I am stuck purchasing 26 sheets. Anyway, below are
> the quantities and
> the prices from Aircraft Spruce. How much is
> shipping on an order like
> this? Are these good prices?
>
> Thickness Size Qnty Price Sub Total
> 0.016 144 x 48 1 $89.00 $89.00
> 0.020 144 x 48 2 $105.55 $211.10
> 0.020 96 x 48 1 $84.80 $84.80
> 0.025 144 x 48 13 $78.00 $1,014.00
> 0.025 96 x 48 2 $51.92 $103.84
> 0.032 144 x 48 2 $100.95 $201.90
> 0.040 144 x 48 1 $127.95 $127.95
> 0.063 48 x 24 1 $32.12 $32.12
> 0.090 24 x 24 1 $21.60 $21.60
> 0.125 24 x 24 1 $29.92 $29.92
> 0.1875 3.8 x 3.3 1 $0.00
>
>
> Total Price $1,916.23
>
> John
>
>
> John R. Hines
> IT Manager
> Crafton, Tull & Associates, Inc.
> 901 N. 47th Street, Suite 200
> Rogers, AR 72756
> Office: 479-878-2449
> Mobile: 479-366-4783
> Fax: 479-631-6224
> John.Hines@craftontull.com
> www.craftontull.com
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> and provide them with successful solutions.
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 610XL Newbie |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com>
Wade- Her is my 2cents worth regarding your questions:
1. Yes
2. The longest piece you will encounter is a 12 foot wing spar (2).
3. No tasx at the factory, but depending on Texas laws, you will probably be
hit up with a sales tax as you try to register the plane in Texas. Check it
out.
4. I would guess 700 hrs. I tool 1000 for the whole thing.
5. Very good!!
6. Love the plane, in fact I love it so much that I am building it again.
(Really, I had a little problem with a landing last year.)
With your past ewxperience and expertice, you should have no problem
finishing the firewall back in 700 hrs max.
Go for it-
Regards,
Al Young
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:36 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wade Jones" <waj@quik.com>
>
> Hello Group ,I am new to the list .I am considering building the 601 LX .I
> bought the plans last week so I am somewhat committed.I am not a first
> time builder as I have built 3 Sonerais and the tail section & wings for a
> Mustang 11 .I am an AP/IA active in aircraft inspections & repair (mostly
> tube & fabric) I own and fly a Tripacer and Cont. 100hp Sonerai Off my
> private airstrip in South Texas .Sorry for the long introduction .I have
> several questions to ask the group ,If there is something negative about
> the 601XL that I should know please write me off list.
>
> 1. Is the plane tough enough to fly off a grass strip .
> 2Would I be able to pick it up at the factory uncrated and load it into my
> 36' fifth wheel RV
> 3 Even tho I live out off State ,would there still be no tax by me picking
> it up at the factory
> 4 I am retired and my hanger is in my backyard .I can put many hours into
> the project each week .What is a realistic time frame for the firewall
> back
> 5 Is the factory support good
> 6 Are most builders happy with the plane ,I need something to get me off
> high center and either get the kit or forget about it as I am getting no
> younger (72) .
> Thank you for bearing with me and this long message ,and any and all
> comments will be appreciated .Wade Jones
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Pellien
> To: zenith-list@roxy.matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:50 AM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Five Big Questions - Zodiac 610XL Newbie
>
>
> Frank,
>
>
> The Continental O-200 (100 hp) weighs 70 lbs more than the Rotax 912 ULS
> (100 hp). This means you're useful load is decreased. With 30 gallons
> of fuel onboard, the Continental-equipped 601XL has 340 lbs useful load,
> good for a 170 lb passenger and a 170 lb pilot and no luggage. My 601XL
> with a Rotax 912 engine has a useful load with full 30 gal fuel of 411
> lbs. This is a significant difference. Even if you are one of the lucky
> ones who weigh 170 lbs or less, the resale market for the Rotax-equipped
> 601XL will be broader-based because it can accommodate bigger pilots and
> passengers.
>
>
> I'm selling my 2005 demonstrator 601XL SLSA (Rotax 912 100 hp) for
> $78,900 (regular price is $92K) in case you are interested. It only has
> 350 hours on it. I'm buying a new demonstrator. I also have an 601XL
> ELSA (Rotax 912 100 hp) available for $68,900 with less than 250 hours.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
> Jim Pellien
>
> Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
>
> Sky Bryce Airport (VG18)
>
> Basye, VA
>
> www.MASPL.com
>
> 703-313-4818
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Derfler
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:08 PM
> To: zenith-list@roxy.matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Five Big Questions - Zodiac 610XL Newbie
>
>
> Hello everyone. I'm "transitioning" from a much-loved Grumman Cheetah to
> a Zodiac 601XL. (Yet to be purchased.) I'm painfully uninformed about
> some issues that are probably as familiar to you all as your beloved "bolt
> torque". (That's okay, you should see the Grumman folk talk for days on
> their forum about the color of glue used in bonding the fuselage! Same
> deal.)
>
>
> Would anyone / everyone on this thread be so kind as to answer these
> questions either on the forum or directly to me? ( fderfler@gmail.com_ )
>
>
> 1.. Rotax versus Continental
> 1.. I'm in the Florida Keys where dealers for Rotax-powered SeadDoos
> are like fleas on a dog, but aviation service is like sex and old age.
> (Infrequent or a distant memory) Does using Rotax power make sense in my
> quasi-rural environment? Can the SeaDoo mechanics help in any way with an
> engine in an experimental aircraft? (I told you I was uninformed!)
> 2.. Are there any operational considerations between the similarly
> rated Rotax and Continental engines (heating during climb, noise level,
> fuel consumption at cruise, etc.)
> 3.. Every Rotax I hear flying overhead sounds loud. Are they
> necessarily noisy?
> 2.. Zodiac 601XL Operations
> 1.. I won't be able to hangar it. Do they survive being tied down on
> the ramp in hot sun? (Any common high wind, delaminating, bonding, etc.
> issues?)
> 2.. Do the pilots survive under the bubble in a mile-long taxi out in
> 99+ ramp temps?
> Thanks for your help! I look forward to hearing from you. Long live
> Bolt Torque!
>
> --
> Frank Derfler
> See my views and reviews at www.derfler.biz
> See my information for pilots at www.flyinflorida.com
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Harding" <charding@houston.rr.com>
I have just acquired a set of CZAW amphib floats (the original trike type) for
my 701.
Unfortunately for me they came without any documentation - would anyone who has
a set of these floats care to share the installation & operating instructions/plans
with me?
Thanks in advance,
Chris
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41599#41599
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Order?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Hi Zodie Rocket...
Just curious why, from a design perspective, the "ailerons must stay at
.016"...? I just scratch built my ailerons over the weekend and I can tell
you from all of that, is that I hate .016" skins! I did make them from
.016" as the plans called for, but would have much rather been working with
.025"...
What would be the ramifications of making the aileron skins from .025"
instead of .016"?
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:09 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
> Keep in mind to double check the layouts of the sheets against your set
> of plans. Their actually is no .020 in the Zodiac 601XL but in this
> layout the .020 has been substituted for the .016, personally if I were
> starting over I would also go this route as it will produce a better
> finish on your skins. But ailerons must stay at .016. Check locally at a
> place called Brass and Copper I believe is the name. You pricing from
> ACS seems in order and I'm not sure if you can do better, but those are
> the prices I was paying for single sheets when I bought my alum when
> buying a large quantity in one shot like you are planning you should be
> able to do much better. There are locations in Tennessee and Missouri. I
> would also recommend calling Zenith Aircraft and getting a quote from
> them, they would likely sell you sheets also.
>
> Copper and Brass
> Memphis
> 4056 Homewood Road
> Suite 3
> Memphis, TN 38118
> Sales: 800-926-2600
> Sales Fax: 901 360 9415
>
> St. Louis
> 1215 Dielman Industrial Court
> Olivette, MO 63132
> Sales: 800-926-2600
> Sales Fax: 847-490-9081
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hines
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:36 AM
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> I looked at the part layouts on ch601.org. Here are the quantities and
> sizes I came up with. I already have my tail section complete from a
> kit and I was hoping I didn't have to purchase as much aluminum. But
> the tail parts are scattered throughout all the sheets and it looks like
> I am stuck purchasing 26 sheets. Anyway, below are the quantities and
> the prices from Aircraft Spruce. How much is shipping on an order like
> this? Are these good prices?
>
> Thickness Size Qnty Price Sub Total
> 0.016 144 x 48 1 $89.00 $89.00
> 0.020 144 x 48 2 $105.55 $211.10
> 0.020 96 x 48 1 $84.80 $84.80
> 0.025 144 x 48 13 $78.00 $1,014.00
> 0.025 96 x 48 2 $51.92 $103.84
> 0.032 144 x 48 2 $100.95 $201.90
> 0.040 144 x 48 1 $127.95 $127.95
> 0.063 48 x 24 1 $32.12 $32.12
> 0.090 24 x 24 1 $21.60 $21.60
> 0.125 24 x 24 1 $29.92 $29.92
> 0.1875 3.8 x 3.3 1 $0.00
>
>
> Total Price $1,916.23
>
> John
>
>
> John R. Hines
> IT Manager
> Crafton, Tull & Associates, Inc.
> 901 N. 47th Street, Suite 200
> Rogers, AR 72756
> Office: 479-878-2449
> Mobile: 479-366-4783
> Fax: 479-631-6224
> John.Hines@craftontull.com
> www.craftontull.com
>
> Crafton, Tull & Associates, Inc. exists to anticipate and understand the
> needs of our clients and provide them with successful solutions.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Order?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Randy, that's a question probably best answered by the ZAC folks. My guess is
the .16 is used because of the flex hinge. Thicker metal may make the
ailerons stiffer than they already are and possibly the thicker metal would be
more
prone to cracking ? Both are just quess'. There are probably air dynamic design
issues as well. I was surprised to learn that some WWII fighter planes,
though metal constructed, had fabric covered control surfaces. FWIW, best regards,
Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
Hi,
A chap here in South Africa, like you, detests working with .016, so he
opted to cover everything on his 701 in 0.20. His plane by the way, was
heavier, but there were less smileys and dents.
Ciao
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant"
> <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
>
> Hi Zodie Rocket...
>
> Just curious why, from a design perspective, the "ailerons must stay at
> .016"...? I just scratch built my ailerons over the weekend and I can
> tell
> you from all of that, is that I hate .016" skins! I did make them from
> .016" as the plans called for, but would have much rather been working
> with
> .025"...
>
> What would be the ramifications of making the aileron skins from .025"
> instead of .016"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Randy
> XL Wings - Plans Only
> http://www.n344rb.com
> Do Not Archive
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:09 AM
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>>
>> Keep in mind to double check the layouts of the sheets against your set
>> of plans. Their actually is no .020 in the Zodiac 601XL but in this
>> layout the .020 has been substituted for the .016, personally if I were
>> starting over I would also go this route as it will produce a better
>> finish on your skins. But ailerons must stay at .016. Check locally at a
>> place called Brass and Copper I believe is the name. You pricing from
>> ACS seems in order and I'm not sure if you can do better, but those are
>> the prices I was paying for single sheets when I bought my alum when
>> buying a large quantity in one shot like you are planning you should be
>> able to do much better. There are locations in Tennessee and Missouri. I
>> would also recommend calling Zenith Aircraft and getting a quote from
>> them, they would likely sell you sheets also.
>>
>> Copper and Brass
>> Memphis
>> 4056 Homewood Road
>> Suite 3
>> Memphis, TN 38118
>> Sales: 800-926-2600
>> Sales Fax: 901 360 9415
>>
>> St. Louis
>> 1215 Dielman Industrial Court
>> Olivette, MO 63132
>> Sales: 800-926-2600
>> Sales Fax: 847-490-9081
>>
>> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
>> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
>> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hines
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:36 AM
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
>> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>>
>> I looked at the part layouts on ch601.org. Here are the quantities and
>> sizes I came up with. I already have my tail section complete from a
>> kit and I was hoping I didn't have to purchase as much aluminum. But
>> the tail parts are scattered throughout all the sheets and it looks like
>> I am stuck purchasing 26 sheets. Anyway, below are the quantities and
>> the prices from Aircraft Spruce. How much is shipping on an order like
>> this? Are these good prices?
>>
>> Thickness Size Qnty Price Sub Total
>> 0.016 144 x 48 1 $89.00 $89.00
>> 0.020 144 x 48 2 $105.55 $211.10
>> 0.020 96 x 48 1 $84.80 $84.80
>> 0.025 144 x 48 13 $78.00 $1,014.00
>> 0.025 96 x 48 2 $51.92 $103.84
>> 0.032 144 x 48 2 $100.95 $201.90
>> 0.040 144 x 48 1 $127.95 $127.95
>> 0.063 48 x 24 1 $32.12 $32.12
>> 0.090 24 x 24 1 $21.60 $21.60
>> 0.125 24 x 24 1 $29.92 $29.92
>> 0.1875 3.8 x 3.3 1 $0.00
>>
>>
>> Total Price $1,916.23
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> John R. Hines
>> IT Manager
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Timothy D. Perkins" <Timothy.Perkins@uvm.edu>
> I fly a 601HD. Yesterday at about 7:45AM I was at
> 5500 ft at cruise speed in smooth air, everything
> was fine. The next thing I was aware of I was in
> a dive at red line. My headphones and cap left along with the
Hi John,
Glad to hear that you kept it together and landed safely.
Did your HD have the original or the updated canopy latch hooks (5/2002)?
Tim Perkins
N1170Q
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Order?? |
Shortly after firing off my original email, the thought of the flex hinge,
which I opted to use over the piano hinge, came to mind...
I can't image there would be any aerodynamic issues with a thicker material,
although there may be, I'm not an expert in that field... I wasn't aware of
the fabric flight surfaces on WWII planes though... I did notice a while
back on a friends Helio Courier that the ailerons on it were fabric... I am
attaching a picture of my friend with his Helio, you can't see the ailerons,
but you can see the flaps and elevator, they are aluminum... ???
I hope I don't open up a can of worms with this question like I did with the
"Bolt Torque"!!! I'm just curious and with me being a scratch builder, this
kind of information may come in useful down the road somewhere...
Thanks again,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:14 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Randy, that's a question probably best answered by the ZAC folks. My guess
> is
> the .16 is used because of the flex hinge. Thicker metal may make the
> ailerons stiffer than they already are and possibly the thicker metal
> would be more
> prone to cracking ? Both are just quess'. There are probably air dynamic
> design
> issues as well. I was surprised to learn that some WWII fighter planes,
> though metal constructed, had fabric covered control surfaces. FWIW, best
> regards,
> Bill
> do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
I also need the installation instructions if someone would be kind enough.
Jean-Paul Roy
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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:22 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Harding"
<charding@houston.rr.com>
>
> I have just acquired a set of CZAW amphib floats (the original trike type)
for my 701.
>
> Unfortunately for me they came without any documentation - would anyone
who has a set of these floats care to share the installation & operating
instructions/plans with me?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41599#41599
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Order?? |
One more question on aileron construction:
The plans, at least my set, doesn't say exactly how much material should be
"sticking out" for the flex hinge... The ailerons are twisted from root to
tip by putting a 13mm block under the trailing edge of the tip... After this
twist is applied, it throws the skin a bit out of square... I ended up with
45mm on the tip and 50mm on the root, hanging over for the flex hinge... I
can only hope this will be enough material... Assuming the drawings are to
scale, I 'deduce' that I will need at least 40mm...
Can anyone tell me how much is available on the aileron kit parts for the
flex hinge?
I'm attaching a picture of the right side aileron I completed yesterday... I
opted to install the CZAW mod aileron horn...
Thanks again,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:14 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Randy, that's a question probably best answered by the ZAC folks. My guess
> is
> the .16 is used because of the flex hinge. Thicker metal may make the
> ailerons stiffer than they already are and possibly the thicker metal
> would be more
> prone to cracking ? Both are just quess'. There are probably air dynamic
> design
> issues as well. I was surprised to learn that some WWII fighter planes,
> though metal constructed, had fabric covered control surfaces. FWIW, best
> regards,
> Bill
> do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com
I was going with the "flex hinge" on the ailerons, but when I fitted the flap
and aileron to the wing, there was not nearly enough skin, with the trailing
edges of the flap and aileron aligned. The predrilled holes in the wing skin
for the aileron would have given me about a 3mm edge distance on the "flex"
edge of the aileron skin. I informed ZAC and after some back and forth, they
sent me a pair of hinges with 30mm flanges and a reinforcing angle. The
predrilled holes near the wing tip were OK, so I suspect that it had something
to do
with that washout on the aileron.
Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hey guys,
Anyone know the front to back dimension between the front and main
wheels on a 601. Imagine a line connecting the two main axles...It will
be the dimension between the center of this line and the front wheel
axle.
My buyer wants to rent a trailer and this is going to be a critical
dimension for him.
Thanks a bunch
Frank
601HDS 400 hours
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
If when I start to fit the flex hinge ailerons and they turn out this way,
with not enough material, I'll just build another set and make the hinged
type by the plans.... BUT, what if the plans for the hinged type didn't take
into account the washout...? I'd be back in the same boat again... :-(
Randy
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:01 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com
>
> I was going with the "flex hinge" on the ailerons, but when I fitted the
> flap
> and aileron to the wing, there was not nearly enough skin, with the
> trailing
> edges of the flap and aileron aligned. The predrilled holes in the wing
> skin
> for the aileron would have given me about a 3mm edge distance on the
> "flex"
> edge of the aileron skin. I informed ZAC and after some back and forth,
> they
> sent me a pair of hinges with 30mm flanges and a reinforcing angle. The
> predrilled holes near the wing tip were OK, so I suspect that it had
> something to do
> with that washout on the aileron.
>
> Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com
Randy, I didn't have to scrap the aileron because of the flex hinge problem.
That edge of the skin was simply trimmed to fit the regular hinge condition.
Jay
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| Subject: | One last reality check |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Winger" <larrywinger@gmail.com>
After many months of investigating my homebuilt options, I have settled on
the 601XL -- subject to one last reality check.
Because I am 6'6" talI, I have two specific questions:
1) Are there any builders within 400 miles of LA who have a completed
fuselage and canopy that I could try on for size? That would satisfy my
need to sit in the plane as it was designed.
2) If I need to squeeze out some additional leg room (and possibly head
room), are there any reasonably simple modifications that can increase those
two dimensions without negative consequences (safety, aerodynamics, etc.)?
I intend to build from scratch with a Corvair engine.
This appears to be a great list. Thanks in advance for the responses.
Larry Winger
larrywinger@gmail.com
Tustin, CA
N53VP
WW Conversion Manual enroute.
Ready to send my check to ZAC
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| Subject: | Re: More dimensions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Frank,
Per the distances obtained when doing the W & B for my 601HD, the distance
between the nose gear axle center and the main gear axle center is 46 1/8".
Hope this helps.
Jim Hoak
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:28 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Anyone know the front to back dimension between the front and main
> wheels on a 601. Imagine a line connecting the two main axles...It will
> be the dimension between the center of this line and the front wheel
> axle.
>
> My buyer wants to rent a trailer and this is going to be a critical
> dimension for him.
>
> Thanks a bunch
>
> Frank
> 601HDS 400 hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 610XL Newbie |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
#3. I just got dinged with sales tax after flying my "other" a/c for 2
years. Consumer use tax is what they call it, each state may be different.
A local flyer told me that his brother is in a/c sales and we should NOT
have to pay a sales tax on a/c. Something about not being an item that is
bought and sold on a regular basis?? Anyway, this kitfox owner got out of
paying his sales tax after writing letters to the state officials and
explaining this. FWIW. PLease anyone else in a/c sales chime in here.. as I
am curious if this is true.
mike
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:36 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wade Jones" <waj@quik.com>
>
> Hello Group ,I am new to the list .I am considering building the 601 LX .I
> bought the plans last week so I am somewhat committed.I am not a first
> time builder as I have built 3 Sonerais and the tail section & wings for a
> Mustang 11 .I am an AP/IA active in aircraft inspections & repair (mostly
> tube & fabric) I own and fly a Tripacer and Cont. 100hp Sonerai Off my
> private airstrip in South Texas .Sorry for the long introduction .I have
> several questions to ask the group ,If there is something negative about
> the 601XL that I should know please write me off list.
>
> 1. Is the plane tough enough to fly off a grass strip .
> 2Would I be able to pick it up at the factory uncrated and load it into my
> 36' fifth wheel RV
> 3 Even tho I live out off State ,would there still be no tax by me picking
> it up at the factory
> 4 I am retired and my hanger is in my backyard .I can put many hours into
> the project each week .What is a realistic time frame for the firewall
> back
> 5 Is the factory support good
> 6 Are most builders happy with the plane ,I need something to get me off
> high center and either get the kit or forget about it as I am getting no
> younger (72) .
> Thank you for bearing with me and this long message ,and any and all
> comments will be appreciated .Wade Jones
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Pellien
> To: zenith-list@roxy.matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:50 AM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Five Big Questions - Zodiac 610XL Newbie
>
>
> Frank,
>
>
> The Continental O-200 (100 hp) weighs 70 lbs more than the Rotax 912 ULS
> (100 hp). This means you're useful load is decreased. With 30 gallons
> of fuel onboard, the Continental-equipped 601XL has 340 lbs useful load,
> good for a 170 lb passenger and a 170 lb pilot and no luggage. My 601XL
> with a Rotax 912 engine has a useful load with full 30 gal fuel of 411
> lbs. This is a significant difference. Even if you are one of the lucky
> ones who weigh 170 lbs or less, the resale market for the Rotax-equipped
> 601XL will be broader-based because it can accommodate bigger pilots and
> passengers.
>
>
> I'm selling my 2005 demonstrator 601XL SLSA (Rotax 912 100 hp) for
> $78,900 (regular price is $92K) in case you are interested. It only has
> 350 hours on it. I'm buying a new demonstrator. I also have an 601XL
> ELSA (Rotax 912 100 hp) available for $68,900 with less than 250 hours.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
> Jim Pellien
>
> Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
>
> Sky Bryce Airport (VG18)
>
> Basye, VA
>
> www.MASPL.com
>
> 703-313-4818
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Derfler
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:08 PM
> To: zenith-list@roxy.matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Five Big Questions - Zodiac 610XL Newbie
>
>
> Hello everyone. I'm "transitioning" from a much-loved Grumman Cheetah to
> a Zodiac 601XL. (Yet to be purchased.) I'm painfully uninformed about
> some issues that are probably as familiar to you all as your beloved "bolt
> torque". (That's okay, you should see the Grumman folk talk for days on
> their forum about the color of glue used in bonding the fuselage! Same
> deal.)
>
>
> Would anyone / everyone on this thread be so kind as to answer these
> questions either on the forum or directly to me? ( fderfler@gmail.com_ )
>
>
> 1.. Rotax versus Continental
> 1.. I'm in the Florida Keys where dealers for Rotax-powered SeadDoos
> are like fleas on a dog, but aviation service is like sex and old age.
> (Infrequent or a distant memory) Does using Rotax power make sense in my
> quasi-rural environment? Can the SeaDoo mechanics help in any way with an
> engine in an experimental aircraft? (I told you I was uninformed!)
> 2.. Are there any operational considerations between the similarly
> rated Rotax and Continental engines (heating during climb, noise level,
> fuel consumption at cruise, etc.)
> 3.. Every Rotax I hear flying overhead sounds loud. Are they
> necessarily noisy?
> 2.. Zodiac 601XL Operations
> 1.. I won't be able to hangar it. Do they survive being tied down on
> the ramp in hot sun? (Any common high wind, delaminating, bonding, etc.
> issues?)
> 2.. Do the pilots survive under the bubble in a mile-long taxi out in
> 99+ ramp temps?
> Thanks for your help! I look forward to hearing from you. Long live
> Bolt Torque!
>
> --
> Frank Derfler
> See my views and reviews at www.derfler.biz
> See my information for pilots at www.flyinflorida.com
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
Larry
For what it is worth--- 1) Chris Heintz is a fairly tall person---- and most
designers tend to design around their needs. 2) He has a most forward position
for the rudder pedals. ( he use to have 2 positions) 3) scratch building
allows you to design your own cockpit enclosure instead of using the "bubble canopy"-------
I am going to use a fixed windshield, gull wing doors and rear window
design as several other folks have done. ( I have my canopy frame ready
for welding)
by opinion only
Fritz -- Corvair, scratch building, 90/90
Larry Winger <larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Winger"
After many months of investigating my homebuilt options, I have settled on
the 601XL -- subject to one last reality check.
Because I am 6'6" talI, I have two specific questions:
1) Are there any builders within 400 miles of LA who have a completed
fuselage and canopy that I could try on for size? That would satisfy my
need to sit in the plane as it was designed.
2) If I need to squeeze out some additional leg room (and possibly head
room), are there any reasonably simple modifications that can increase those
two dimensions without negative consequences (safety, aerodynamics, etc.)?
I intend to build from scratch with a Corvair engine.
This appears to be a great list. Thanks in advance for the responses.
Larry Winger
larrywinger@gmail.com
Tustin, CA
N53VP
WW Conversion Manual enroute.
Ready to send my check to ZAC
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| Subject: | One last reality check |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
If no one chimes in take a look at the map at www.frappr.com/zenith601. I
see at least 13 XLs around LA. Also there is a list on the Zenith web site
which can be searched by state.
I'd let you sit in mine but I'm in Utah
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Winger
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:57 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Winger"
--> <larrywinger@gmail.com>
After many months of investigating my homebuilt options, I have settled on
the 601XL -- subject to one last reality check.
Because I am 6'6" talI, I have two specific questions:
1) Are there any builders within 400 miles of LA who have a completed
fuselage and canopy that I could try on for size? That would satisfy my
need to sit in the plane as it was designed.
2) If I need to squeeze out some additional leg room (and possibly head
room), are there any reasonably simple modifications that can increase those
two dimensions without negative consequences (safety, aerodynamics, etc.)?
I intend to build from scratch with a Corvair engine.
This appears to be a great list. Thanks in advance for the responses.
Larry Winger
larrywinger@gmail.com
Tustin, CA
N53VP
WW Conversion Manual enroute.
Ready to send my check to ZAC
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Frank,
My trailer's tire stops for the tri-gear 601 are 75-1/2-inches center to
center main gear width
and the axle center lines distance front gear to mains is 46-1/2-inches
Larry McFarland
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Frank,
My trailer's tire stops for the tri-gear 601 are 75-1/2-inches center to
center main gear width
and the axle center lines distance front gear to mains is 46-1/2-inches
The trailer is best selected as a dual axle, small tires type used
mainly for moving snowmobiles.
They are low to the ground and have some width. You need 7-ft width and
a 12-foot length.
48-in frame width and capacity of 1000 lbs.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/hscentersection/full/trailerwinching.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/hscentersection/full/trailerwplanespotted.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/hscentersection/full/loadedntied2.gif
Try to get the planes position so CG is nearly on the front axle.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Hey guys,
>
>Anyone know the front to back dimension between the front and main
>wheels on a 601. Imagine a line connecting the two main axles...It will
>be the dimension between the center of this line and the front wheel
>axle.
>
>My buyer wants to rent a trailer and this is going to be a critical
>dimension for him.
>
>Thanks a bunch
>
>Frank
>601HDS 400 hours
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Christopher Smith" <ch601xl@gmail.com>
>I am going to use a fixed windshield, gull wing doors and rear window
design as several other folks have done. ( I have my canopy frame ready for
welding)
Does anyone have pictures of this kind of setup?
On 6/19/06, Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
>
> Larry
> For what it is worth--- 1) Chris Heintz is a fairly tall person---- and
> most designers tend to design around their needs. 2) He has a most forward
> position for the rudder pedals. ( he use to have 2 positions) 3) scratch
> building allows you to design your own cockpit enclosure instead of using
> the "bubble canopy"------- I am going to use a fixed windshield, gull wing
> doors and rear window design as several other folks have done. ( I have my
> canopy frame ready for welding)
> by opinion only
> Fritz -- Corvair, scratch building, 90/90
>
> Larry Winger <larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Winger"
>
> After many months of investigating my homebuilt options, I have settled on
> the 601XL -- subject to one last reality check.
>
> Because I am 6'6" talI, I have two specific questions:
>
> 1) Are there any builders within 400 miles of LA who have a completed
> fuselage and canopy that I could try on for size? That would satisfy my
> need to sit in the plane as it was designed.
>
> 2) If I need to squeeze out some additional leg room (and possibly head
> room), are there any reasonably simple modifications that can increase
> those
> two dimensions without negative consequences (safety, aerodynamics, etc.)?
> I intend to build from scratch with a Corvair engine.
>
> This appears to be a great list. Thanks in advance for the responses.
>
> Larry Winger
> larrywinger@gmail.com
> Tustin, CA
> N53VP
> WW Conversion Manual enroute.
> Ready to send my check to ZAC
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> much more to come.
>
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
http://ch-601xl.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Marzulli" <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
Concerning the 701 Elevator:
When placing the rear spar ( 7h2-2 ) to 7h1-4 and and the other two ribs, is
it more critical to insure the ribs are at a right angle to the rear spar,
or that 7h2-2 is centered relative to the front spar ( 7h2-1 ).
I already drilled one of the full length ribs so it is flush to the rear
spar doublers ( next to, not overlapping ), and everything is at a right
angle, but I noticed that one of the clamps on the other rib slipped and now
the other rib is about 10mm off from the doubler when at a right angle to
the rear rib.
Moving the rib that I already drilled 5mm doesn't seem like an option since
the holes and rivets would be very close.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
--
John in Seattle
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Link for pics of 601 with Gull wing doors |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo68.html
there are several 601 HD's on the page link shown above----- about half way down
the page----------- this should give you some idea as to how if "might" look.----
mine will look a little different, also pic of the CH 2000 will help.
Fritz-- Corvair/ plans/ 90/90
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
Is anyone going to take their 801 to Arlington?
Dave in Salem
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
Tony,
Many thanks for your POH entry on the canopy, and for your picture of
your visible check system for the latch position. That's a lot of
insurance for a very small investment.
--
Bob Miller
601HD N722Z
Charlottesville, Virginia
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| Subject: | One last reality check |
Fritz, I applaud your decision to build the gull wing canopy but a builder
in my EAA chapter put this setup on his 601HD...It was the worst thing I
ever tried to get into and out from.. And if there was ever a fire forget
about getting out. Now maybe your doors are longer than his were, and the
longer, the better, would be my take as based on his setup. Now if your
windows slide down into the fuselage like the Aerocoupe, I think it would
also work better. I have the side opening canopy but with a modified hinge
design (that I can take no credit for) that can't fly open accidentally
after being latched, but can be totally detached in an emergency by pulling
both releases at the same time (easier to do with 2 on board). The nice
thing is that it seals tight along the longeron without foam or other gasket
materials.
And to give the proper credit for the design that I used, I believe the
original setup is from Mike Fothergill and improved by Jeff Small. Fred
Hulen may have had his fingers in the mix too. Search the archives but this
photo will give you an idea of how it works.
Dave 601-HD 912ULS
...........3) scratch
> building allows you to design your own cockpit enclosure instead of using
> the "bubble canopy"------- I am going to use a fixed windshield, gull wing
> doors and rear window design as several other folks have done. ( I have
my
> canopy frame ready for welding)
> by opinion only
> Fritz -- Corvair, scratch building, 90/90
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
First the motorcycle accident, then while working
on the plane, it fell off the jack stands, damaging an
aileron and destroying the elevator. -Anyway, here
goes a shot in the dark... If anyone has a 601
elevator laying around that you won't be using, please
reply off list.
For desert, I found out today that I am being
involuntarily separated from the Navy after 15 years.
What a freakin' week!
VR/
Brandon
Further from flying today than yesterday
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Hulland" <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Brandon,
Why is the Navy seperating you when they are having such a problem finding
folks to stay in? Are you reserve or active duty? Bet the Army or Air Guard
would take you in a heart beat.
Do not archive
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Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 701, Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Gas Cap Troubles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Listers -
I was excited to learn that ZAC had updated the gas cap design from
the old method of just leaving the skin flush with the hole.
Unfortunately, when I went to screw the cap into the tank, I
discovered that it does not go down far enough. The cap sticks up 2-4
mm all around the rim. I only have one layer of cork on top and
bottom of the tank and the skin is quite taut all around - I
definitely can't shim underneath the skin to push it up flush against
the rim of the cap.
Has anyone else had a similar problem? Is the insert welded into the
tank too high? (Come to think of it, I suppose it could also be welded
at a bit of an angle, too, because it is not quite the same distance
above the skin all the way around.) Can I buy a new cap with a lower
profile? Any help greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Michael Valentine
601XL - Almost, but not quite done with the first wing (and I've been
saying that for at least three weeks).
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| Subject: | One last reality check |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Better yet plan a trip to Arlington, I'm sure we have a 601XL there.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Winger"
--> <larrywinger@gmail.com>
1) Are there any builders within 400 miles of LA who have a completed
fuselage and canopy that I could try on for size? That would satisfy my
need to sit in the plane as it was designed.
2) If I need to squeeze out some additional leg room (and possibly head
room), are there any reasonably simple modifications that can increase
those
two dimensions without negative consequences (safety, aerodynamics,
etc.)?
I intend to build from scratch with a Corvair engine.
This appears to be a great list. Thanks in advance for the responses.
Larry Winger
larrywinger@gmail.com
Tustin, CA
N53VP
WW Conversion Manual enroute.
Ready to send my check to ZAC
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| Subject: | Aluminum Order?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Yup that is the reason for the .016 skin, also you want to be able to
introduce the proper amount of twist that was calculated using the .016,
Building a 701 out of .020 instead of .016 adds about 35-40lbs extra but
looks and sounds a lot better. In my opinion it is a fair tradeoff.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Bryant
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:59 AM
Shortly after firing off my original email, the thought of the flex
hinge,
which I opted to use over the piano hinge, came to mind...
I can't image there would be any aerodynamic issues with a thicker
material,
although there may be, I'm not an expert in that field... I wasn't
aware of
the fabric flight surfaces on WWII planes though... I did notice a
while
back on a friends Helio Courier that the ailerons on it were fabric...
I am
attaching a picture of my friend with his Helio, you can't see the
ailerons,
but you can see the flaps and elevator, they are aluminum... ???
I hope I don't open up a can of worms with this question like I did with
the
"Bolt Torque"!!! I'm just curious and with me being a scratch builder,
this
kind of information may come in useful down the road somewhere...
Thanks again,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:14 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Randy, that's a question probably best answered by the ZAC folks. My
guess
> is
> the .16 is used because of the flex hinge. Thicker metal may make the
> ailerons stiffer than they already are and possibly the thicker metal
> would be more
> prone to cracking ? Both are just quess'. There are probably air
dynamic
> design
> issues as well. I was surprised to learn that some WWII fighter
planes,
> though metal constructed, had fabric covered control surfaces. FWIW,
best
> regards,
> Bill
> do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Ok group, so the Arlington Gathering is on Thursday at 5 pm. Check with
the Zenith Booth for a location. But I think BG14 is looking good !!!
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Ruddiman
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:04 PM
I just re-confirmed my space at Arlington. Space BG14, which is on
the main walkway through the camping area. I will be in a Columbus motor
home. Sort of dirty white color with blue stripes. I will be there on
Thursday in the early afternoon. If anyone wants to stop by, please do.
I hope it doesn't matter, but I'm building an 801.
Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Picking up kits from factory |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Josh" <dvoverdt@hotmail.com>
I have been working on my 601xl for about 2 years now and buying the component
kits as fast as I can save the money. A few weeks ago I put down a deposit on
the rest of the 601xl airframe (fuselage, gear, control and canopy kits) and
I am planning on picking it up in a couple of weeks.
My question is what is the smallest enclosed trailer I can rent to transport these
kits? I will be pulling the trailer to Arizona with a Toyota Camry so I would
prefer to use the smallest trailer possible. The sizes from Uhaul are 5x10,
5x8, 4x8.
I contacted the factory and they said the fuselage crate is 10 ft long. Looking
at the plans the only pieces I see that are 10 ft are the flat skins, unless
I missed something??? Can the flat skins be bent to fit in a smaller trailer
or rolled? Any recommendations would be appreciated.
I have been reading this list for a couple of years and I wanted to thank all those
who have gone before in the great airplane building endeavor. I have been
saved many times by comments on this list and the excellent builder websites
Thanks,
Josh Kirk
Working on Wings
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| Subject: | Picking up kits from factory |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Are you thinking of an open U-Haul trailer or an enclosed one? Because with
an open trailer the crate could extend beyond the front or the rear of the
trailer if need be. Just make sure the position you use gives you the
correct tongue weight. Also I don't know how much the crate weighs but make
sure the hitch plus your Camry is a high enough class towing set-up. I
believe that U-Haul's longer (dual axle?) trailers have brakes.
I would also consider U-Haul's Safe-Move insurance. Check the price and the
coverage but I think that if you lose the load the insurance will pay
something approaching the replacement cost of the kit. They offer it on the
trucks (and I bought it when I drove my kit from Michigan to Utah) but I
can't recall if it is also offered on their trailers.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Picking up kits from factory |
I'm building from the 'basic kit' (flat sheets of aluminum), so I can't comment
on Zenith's crate size or packaging. I can tell you that the largest parts
in the fuse (which I've FINALLY almost completed!) are the side skins. They
roll quite nicely. I don't think you'd have any problems with a cargo van, or
even a large mini van with the seats folded down.
I'm actually fabricating two of every part in the kit to help a friend out
as he scratch builds a 601 as well. (CNC equipment is worth it's weight in gold!)
He's had no problem fitting everything for the tail and fuse in a Toyota
4-Runner with the seat folded down. I have yet to acquire the canopy, so maybe
it's large enough to warrant a 10' crate. I doubt it though.
Congrats on making the leap to the fuselage. There's nothing like having a
place to sit and make airplane noises to motivate a builder to finish. Happy
building!
Josh <dvoverdt@hotmail.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Josh"
I have been working on my 601xl for about 2 years now and buying the component
kits as fast as I can save the money. A few weeks ago I put down a deposit on
the rest of the 601xl airframe (fuselage, gear, control and canopy kits) and
I am planning on picking it up in a couple of weeks.
My question is what is the smallest enclosed trailer I can rent to transport these
kits? I will be pulling the trailer to Arizona with a Toyota Camry so I would
prefer to use the smallest trailer possible. The sizes from Uhaul are 5x10,
5x8, 4x8.
I contacted the factory and they said the fuselage crate is 10 ft long. Looking
at the plans the only pieces I see that are 10 ft are the flat skins, unless
I missed something??? Can the flat skins be bent to fit in a smaller trailer
or rolled? Any recommendations would be appreciated.
I have been reading this list for a couple of years and I wanted to thank all those
who have gone before in the great airplane building endeavor. I have been
saved many times by comments on this list and the excellent builder websites
Thanks,
Josh Kirk
Working on Wings
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