---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/20/06: 72 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:08 AM - Re: Picking up kits from factory (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 2. 05:20 AM - Re: Lost Canopy (Kevin Kinney) 3. 05:20 AM - Re: Picking up kits from factory (Noel Loveys) 4. 05:26 AM - To slosh or not to slosh (Geoff Heap) 5. 05:33 AM - Olfa P800 (martyn@flight.co.za) 6. 05:33 AM - 912 part request (Trevor Page) 7. 05:40 AM - Re: Picking up kits from factory (Robin Bellach) 8. 05:44 AM - Re: Picking up kits from factory (Bryan Martin) 9. 06:00 AM - Re: Bad luck (Michial Pedri) 10. 06:08 AM - Slosh (Zed Smith) 11. 06:09 AM - 601xl quick build kit (Michial Pedri) 12. 07:04 AM - Re: Olfa P800 (Geoff Heap) 13. 07:08 AM - Re: Slosh (Geoff Heap) 14. 07:12 AM - Re: To slosh or not to slosh (LarryMcFarland) 15. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Lost Canopy (JOHN STARN) 16. 07:34 AM - Re: 601xl quick build kit () 17. 07:44 AM - Re: 912 part request () 18. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Slosh (Bryan Martin) 19. 08:24 AM - Re: One last reality check (ken smith) 20. 08:42 AM - Re: Olfa P800 (Craig Payne) 21. 08:59 AM - Re: One last reality check (Craig Payne) 22. 09:00 AM - Re: Am I borked? (John Marzulli) 23. 09:48 AM - Re: Picking up kits from factory (LHusky@aol.com) 24. 09:56 AM - Re: 601xl quick build kit (LHusky@aol.com) 25. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Slosh (Noel Loveys) 26. 11:33 AM - fuel tank alternatives (Dave and Jan Clay) 27. 12:12 PM - Re: fuel tank alternatives (Christopher Smith) 28. 12:12 PM - Re: fuel tank alternatives (Keith Ashcraft) 29. 12:12 PM - Gull wing doors vs bubble (Big Gee) 30. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: Lost canopy (John Anderson) 31. 12:29 PM - Jab 3300 Oil (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 32. 12:29 PM - Re: fuel tank alternatives (Craig Payne) 33. 12:34 PM - 601XL Wheel Pants (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 34. 01:06 PM - Re: fuel tank alternatives (Craig Moore) 35. 03:33 PM - Export to canada (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 36. 04:20 PM - Re: Export to canada (Dave) 37. 04:22 PM - Re: Export to canada (Dave) 38. 04:33 PM - Paint overspary (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?=) 39. 05:14 PM - Re: Paint overspary () 40. 05:29 PM - Re: Paint overspary (LarryMcFarland) 41. 05:53 PM - Re: Paint overspary (Dave Ruddiman) 42. 05:54 PM - Re: Paint overspary (Paul Mulwitz) 43. 05:55 PM - Re: Paint overspary (Dave Ruddiman) 44. 06:35 PM - Re: ARLINGTON (Dave Ruddiman) 45. 07:04 PM - Re: Jab 3300 Oil (Tim Juhl) 46. 07:13 PM - Re: Gas Cap Troubles (lynn dingfelder) 47. 07:51 PM - Re: Paint overspary (Larry) 48. 08:03 PM - COPA Convention/Aviation Expo? (Michel Therrien) 49. 08:20 PM - Re: Paint overspary (Dave Ruddiman) 50. 08:43 PM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Paul Mulwitz) 51. 08:43 PM - Re: One last reality check (Larry Winger) 52. 08:43 PM - Re: To slosh or not to slosh (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 53. 08:43 PM - Re: Jab 3300 Oil (crvsecretary@aol.com) 54. 08:43 PM - Re: More dimensions (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 55. 08:44 PM - 601 dimensions (Zed Smith) 56. 08:44 PM - Re: Picking up kits from factory (Josh) 57. 08:44 PM - Re: Export to canada (Craig Payne) 58. 08:44 PM - Distance between main and nose gear on 601 (George Swinford) 59. 08:46 PM - Plastic fuel tanks (Zed Smith) 60. 08:47 PM - More On Gas Cap (Michael Valentine) 61. 08:47 PM - Re: Export to canada (LarryMcFarland) 62. 08:47 PM - Re: Paint overspary (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 63. 08:54 PM - Re: COPA Convention/Aviation Expo? (Trevor Page) 64. 09:08 PM - Re: Export to canada (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 65. 09:08 PM - Re: fuel tank alternatives (Christopher Smith) 66. 09:15 PM - Re: To slosh or not to slosh (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 67. 09:16 PM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Paul Mulwitz) 68. 09:27 PM - Re: Export to canada (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 69. 09:31 PM - Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss something important? (Paul Mulwitz) 70. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: Jab 3300 Oil (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 71. 09:40 PM - Re: Paint overspary (Dave Ruddiman) 72. 09:40 PM - Re: Paint overspary (Graham Kirby) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:15 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Picking up kits from factory --> Zenith-List message posted by: Afterfxllc@aol.com I picked up my kit un crated and it fit in a 12' u haul trailor. Why spend the money on crating if you are picking it up? Jeff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:00 AM PST US From: Kevin Kinney Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Lost Canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Kinney A few years ago, I flew in Leo Corbalis' (Requisat am pace) HDS. He encountered the same problem with his aircraft deciding to be a convertible. If I recall, he made some simple nylon latches that provided some extra protection. I'm far, far away from my pictures at the moment. Let me know if anyone would like to see them. Regards, Kevin Kinney ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:01 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Picking up kits from factory --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" Buy a used trailer similar to a ski doo trailer or a double skidoo trailer. Sell the trailer when you get home or modify it with a platform to tow your completed plane. I tow a double skidoo trailer with 560# of float equipped plane on a regular basis with a Subaru Imprezza Outback .... No problems. Due to the design of the plane I tow I have to keep the speed a little on the low side. Two important things to consider when towing a trailer are; to make sure the trailer can take the load and the load is balanced to give the correct load on the hitch. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Josh > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:00 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Picking up kits from factory > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Josh" > > I have been working on my 601xl for about 2 years now and > buying the component kits as fast as I can save the money. A > few weeks ago I put down a deposit on the rest of the 601xl > airframe (fuselage, gear, control and canopy kits) and I am > planning on picking it up in a couple of weeks. > > My question is what is the smallest enclosed trailer I can > rent to transport these kits? I will be pulling the trailer > to Arizona with a Toyota Camry so I would prefer to use the > smallest trailer possible. The sizes from Uhaul are 5x10, 5x8, 4x8. > > I contacted the factory and they said the fuselage crate is > 10 ft long. Looking at the plans the only pieces I see that > are 10 ft are the flat skins, unless I missed something??? > Can the flat skins be bent to fit in a smaller trailer or > rolled? Any recommendations would be appreciated. > > I have been reading this list for a couple of years and I > wanted to thank all those who have gone before in the great > airplane building endeavor. I have been saved many times by > comments on this list and the excellent builder websites > > Thanks, > Josh Kirk > Working on Wings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:43 AM PST US From: "Geoff Heap" Subject: Zenith-List: To slosh or not to slosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Hey Guys. Can someone please give me the 10 cent tour on sloshing. I'm getting ready to install my header tank and i could use some advice on what is best to clean the inside with, and then. Is sloshing always to be done on alum tanks? Whats the rule here? I'm thinking that it will help with possible pinholes resulting from welding. I HAVE pressure tested my tank and it held for 30 minutes at least but there could be a pinhole waiting to rear its ugly head in service ............Thanks...Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41761#41761 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:16 AM PST US From: martyn@flight.co.za Subject: Zenith-List: Olfa P800 --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za Hello All, Your poorer cousin here from Deepest Darkest Southern Africa. Unfortunatly the Trade winds don't blow this way to often and it's been a while since our ports have seen a Merchant vessel from your fair country (USA/ Europe?) So I'm sending a message to you all via Jungle drums, hoping that someone will here my cry for a few Olfa P800 cutters and spare blades. I suggest before embarking on this journey of mercy, that you stock up on Mosquito repelant, pack plenty of Ankle high socks and remember to bring the Lee Remington (comes in handy for those Pesky Pachiderms!) You'd think with this new fangled thing called Internet, that we'd be able to get them delivered to us!!! But that seems not to be the case! Regards Frustrated ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:44 AM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Zenith-List: 912 part request --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page HI folks, just putting out the feelers if you have or know anyone with Rotax 912 parts. My engine is an older model and I'd like to retrofit it with the new collector/expansion coolant tank (the black one). The strange contraption on mine is the source of my coolant leak and no amount of tinkering can seem to get rid of an annoying leak. Anyone have a lead of used parts since new Rotax ones are so dear? Thanks in advance. Trev Page C-IDUS 601HD R912 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:45 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Picking up kits from factory --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> The canopy is rolled into a package just under six feet long and about twenty inches in diameter. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom and Bren Henderson To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:10 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Picking up kits from factory I'm building from the 'basic kit' (flat sheets of aluminum), so I can't comment on Zenith's crate size or packaging. I can tell you that the largest parts in the fuse (which I've FINALLY almost completed!) are the side skins. They roll quite nicely. I don't think you'd have any problems with a cargo van, or even a large mini van with the seats folded down. I'm actually fabricating two of every part in the kit to help a friend out as he scratch builds a 601 as well. (CNC equipment is worth it's weight in gold!) He's had no problem fitting everything for the tail and fuse in a Toyota 4-Runner with the seat folded down. I have yet to acquire the canopy, so maybe it's large enough to warrant a 10' crate. I doubt it though. Congrats on making the leap to the fuselage. There's nothing like having a place to sit and make airplane noises to motivate a builder to finish. Happy building! Josh wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Josh" I have been working on my 601xl for about 2 years now and buying the component kits as fast as I can save the money. A few weeks ago I put down a deposit on the rest of the 601xl airframe (fuselage, gear, control and canopy kits) and I am planning on picking it up in a couple of weeks. My question is what is the smallest enclosed trailer I can rent to transport these kits? I will be pulling the trailer to Arizona with a Toyota Camry so I would ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:24 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Picking up kits from factory --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin All of the flat skins can be rolled up in a compact coil so they don't pose a problem. The fuselage longerons are composed of eight pieces of either extruded or bent L angles that are about ten feet long. These are the longest parts you'll have to deal with. The rear segments are straight and the forward segments are curved in the shape of the forward fuselage. If you are using an enclosed trailer, these parts could be stowed diagonally across the trailer with one end at say the lower left rear corner and the other in the upper right front corner. This may allow you to use a trailer shorter than ten feet ( I am assuming that you won't need the crate since you are picking the parts up yourself. Other than that, the longest and heaviest part I can think of is the main gear spring which you shouldn't have any trouble stowing in any of the trailers you mentioned. On Jun 20, 2006, at 12:30 AM, Josh wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Josh" > > I have been working on my 601xl for about 2 years now and buying > the component kits as fast as I can save the money. A few weeks > ago I put down a deposit on the rest of the 601xl airframe > (fuselage, gear, control and canopy kits) and I am planning on > picking it up in a couple of weeks. > > My question is what is the smallest enclosed trailer I can rent to > transport these kits? I will be pulling the trailer to Arizona > with a Toyota Camry so I would prefer to use the smallest trailer > possible. The sizes from Uhaul are 5x10, 5x8, 4x8. > > > Thanks, > Josh Kirk > Working on Wings > > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:57 AM PST US From: Michial Pedri Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bad luck --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michial Pedri not sure where you are from but just to let you know that I have been an AGR soldier (active duty army national guard, WV) for 15 years and we are begging for folks (prior service and non prior service) alike to join up. We offer 100% paid college tuition, (Bachelor and Masters), 20K signing bonus for 6 year enlistment or $7500 for 3 year enlistment. Not sure if this helps but just in case. Sorry for the streatch of bad luck. Take care, SSG Mike Pedri, 701 builder Brandon Tucker wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker Gents, First the motorcycle accident, then while working on the plane, it fell off the jack stands, damaging an aileron and destroying the elevator. -Anyway, here goes a shot in the dark... If anyone has a 601 elevator laying around that you won't be using, please reply off list. For desert, I found out today that I am being involuntarily separated from the Navy after 15 years. What a freakin' week! VR/ Brandon Further from flying today than yesterday __________________________________________________ --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:03 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Slosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Geoff, This may not be the method you want to use.... Add a bit of red food coloring to whatever you slosh. The stuff is cheap, very concentrated, and will certainly show your pinholes. Don't get it anywhere except in the tank....you'll have red fingers for a week. Juat a suggestion, Regards, Zed do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:01 AM PST US From: Michial Pedri Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl quick build kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michial Pedri Just curious if anyone knows anyone who has purchased the quick build kit and started building? I am very interested in the quick build kit and the difficulty with construction as I am a first time builder with no prior building experience of any kind. Also has zenith mentioned offering a 701 quick build kit in the near future? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mike Pedri, Beckley WV --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:06 AM PST US From: "Geoff Heap" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Olfa P800 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Stop your whining and build something. What's your question Martin. Are you looking for someone here on the list to help out getting a couple of Olfa's? If so I'll Volunteer. Or are you just complaining. Just kidding Martin. Do you need help? Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41777#41777 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:37 AM PST US From: "Geoff Heap" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Slosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Zed to the rescue. Thanks, I'll bear the food coloring in mind but what is it that I slosh.Some kind of sealant? and is it NECCESARY or is it OPTIONAL. Again, this is an alum tank.....Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41780#41780 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:25 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: To slosh or not to slosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Geoff, The tank is likely not to have any pinholes if you lightly pressured the tank and brushed bubble solution around the welded joints. Sloshing a tank that is not part of the wing skins probably would help you cleans the tank of debris, but I'd only do it after the question of leakage, seepage and pinholes is certifiably satisfied. A pinhole doesn't occur after welding. It's there and you discover it in the process, weld it shut and look for more. The average is likely half a dozen on first weld and you may find more for a short while, but don't use water to flush or test for leaks. Water will mess up your windings in the fuel sender and not give you accurate readings later. I committed all these sins with regret, new senders, etc. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Geoff Heap wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" > >Hey Guys. >Can someone please give me the 10 cent tour on sloshing. I'm getting ready to install my header tank and i could use some advice on what is best to clean the inside with, and then. Is sloshing always to be done on alum tanks? Whats the rule here? >I'm thinking that it will help with possible pinholes resulting from welding. I HAVE pressure tested my tank and it held for 30 minutes at least but there could be a pinhole waiting to rear its ugly head in service ............Thanks...Geoff > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41761#41761 > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:30 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Lost Canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Yes, a friend has a older factory built Zodiac 601 that lost it's canopy about 3 mos. ago. He had taken off on 26, 2 left turns to downwind when it left. He was able to regain control & land on 36 even though it was "closed" for maintance work. He's ordered the replacement parts but would like to install a more secure system of latching down the canopy. JACK ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:19 AM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Kinney > > A few years ago, I flew in Leo Corbalis' (Requisat am pace) HDS. He > encountered the same problem with his aircraft deciding to be a > convertible. > If I recall, he made some simple nylon latches that provided some extra > protection. I'm far, far away from my pictures at the moment. Let me > know if anyone would like to see them. > > Regards, > Kevin Kinney > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:03 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601xl quick build kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hi Michial, The benefit of buying the quickbuild kit mostly one of time versus cost. The fact that you are a first time builder isn't a big deal at all. Chris Heintz places a lot of emphasis on keeping the process and the resulting airplane safe and uncomplicated. There will be times when you need the advice of the list or the factory or both to get you through an area in which the assembly instructions and/or the drawings aren't clear to you whether it's a quickbuild or a standard kit. Looking down that road from the starting line, it seems pretty intimidating, but it's really just a long gradual process of being patient enough to study, ask questions as needed and proceed carefully. You learn the necessary skills as you go OJT. Unless the adjective "handy" doesn't apply to you at all, you'll do fine. I'm a big fan of attending a rudder workshop at the factory. It would allow you to meet the people you are placing a heap of faith in by building their kit. It also would be a chance to get familiar with notations in the plans and learn the basic processes that you willl follow over and over throughout the building of your kit. It is also an opportunity to fly the demo planes if you are interested in more than one particular model. Don't let a lack of previous experience inhibit you from taking the plunge. If you are green, you're still growing. Once you're ripe, you start to rot. Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL / wings ---- Michial Pedri wrote: > Just curious if anyone knows anyone who has purchased the quick build kit and started building? I am very interested in the quick build kit and the difficulty with construction as I am a first time builder with no prior building experience of any kind. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:56 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 part request --> Zenith-List message posted by: I just met a guy last evening who has bought three messed up Rotax engines that were previously used on military RPVs. He is planning to cobble them together into one usable engine for a 601XL in the future. Maybe you could do an internet search for government surplus Rotax engines? Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL / wings ---- Trevor Page wrote: > HI folks, just putting out the feelers if you have or know anyone > with Rotax 912 parts. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:48 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Slosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin Sloshing compound should not be necessary in a welded aluminum tank if the welds are any good. In fact, sloshing compound should be avoided if at all possible. It's expensive, it adds weight, it's a mess to work with and will possibly need to be redone after several years in use. If you think the welds might leak, seal up all the openings, put a little bit of air pressure in the tank and use bubble solution to look for leaks. If you find any, either reweld them or use some JB Weld to seal them up. Don't use high pressure air to pressurize the tank, you can easily destroy the tank. You can tie a balloon over one of the tank openings and use enough pressure to inflate the balloon. That will pretty much guarantee you won't over pressurize the tank On Jun 20, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Geoff Heap wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" > > Zed to the rescue. Thanks, I'll bear the food coloring in mind but > what is it that I slosh.Some kind of sealant? and is it NECCESARY > or is it OPTIONAL. Again, this is an alum tank.....Geoff > > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:06 AM PST US From: ken smith Subject: Re: Zenith-List: One last reality check --> Zenith-List message posted by: ken smith there is one available for rent at Torrance (ZMP) phone 800-971-8710 --- Larry Winger wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Winger" > > > After many months of investigating my homebuilt > options, I have settled on > the 601XL -- subject to one last reality check. > > Because I am 6'6" talI, I have two specific > questions: > > 1) Are there any builders within 400 miles of LA > who have a completed > fuselage and canopy that I could try on for size? > That would satisfy my > need to sit in the plane as it was designed. > > 2) If I need to squeeze out some additional leg > room (and possibly head > room), are there any reasonably simple modifications > that can increase those > two dimensions without negative consequences > (safety, aerodynamics, etc.)? > I intend to build from scratch with a Corvair > engine. > > This appears to be a great list. Thanks in advance > for the responses. > > Larry Winger > larrywinger@gmail.com > Tustin, CA > N53VP > WW Conversion Manual enroute. > Ready to send my check to ZAC > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:34 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Olfa P800 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" This site carries the p-800 knife and blades and ships internationally: www.dickblick.com/zz574/77/ -- Craig -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of martyn@flight.co.za Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:27 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za Hello All, Your poorer cousin here from Deepest Darkest Southern Africa. Unfortunatly the Trade winds don't blow this way to often and it's been a while since our ports have seen a Merchant vessel from your fair country (USA/ Europe?) So I'm sending a message to you all via Jungle drums, hoping that someone will here my cry for a few Olfa P800 cutters and spare blades. I suggest before embarking on this journey of mercy, that you stock up on Mosquito repelant, pack plenty of Ankle high socks and remember to bring the Lee Remington (comes in handy for those Pesky Pachiderms!) You'd think with this new fangled thing called Internet, that we'd be able to get them delivered to us!!! But that seems not to be the case! Regards Frustrated ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:58 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: One last reality check --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Here is a little more information on the 601XL instructor in SoCal: Jon Thornburgh Jon@JonThornburgh.com Cell Phone 800-971-8710 http://www.lasportplanes.com/13132.html Warning: in my search for instruction in a 601XL I have found that many schools are planning or advertising instruction in a 601XL but do not actually have a plane yet. The only confirmed plane that I know of is Jim Pellien's at Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes in Virginia. I would love to hear of other confirmed sightings. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:39 AM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Am I borked? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Marzulli" Thank you everyone for your advise. I luckily just messed up the measurments, not the part. After careful measurement with the piece clamped down more I realizes the piece was shifting when I moved the square. Some holes did need to be widened just a bit, but it shouldn't be an issue. John in Seattle http://701Builder.blogspot.com On 6/19/06, John Marzulli wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Marzulli" < > john.marzulli@gmail.com> > > Concerning the 701 Elevator: > > When placing the rear spar ( 7h2-2 ) to 7h1-4 and and the other two ribs, > is > it more critical to insure the ribs are at a right angle to the rear spar, > or that 7h2-2 is centered relative to the front spar ( 7h2-1 ). > > I already drilled one of the full length ribs so it is flush to the rear > spar doublers ( next to, not overlapping ), and everything is at a right > angle, but I noticed that one of the clamps on the other rib slipped and > now > the other rib is about 10mm off from the doubler when at a right angle to > the rear rib. > > Moving the rib that I already drilled 5mm doesn't seem like an option > since > the holes and rivets would be very close. > > Any suggestions? > > > Thanks > -- > John in Seattle > http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ > > -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:24 AM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Picking up kits from factory --> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com If you want a picture of everything in the kit before it is in the crate, email me off line. I just came back from the factory a few weeks ago and took a picture of a kit that someone was coming to pick up without a crate. As far as the side skins go, I have rolled them up and taped them to save space. They have stayed rolled for some time and when I removed the tape and layed them flat, they were perfectly flat, so don't be afraid to roll the sheets up. Just be carefull when unrolling them. I was putting everything in a 4Runner, but have since bought a small pickup for hauling things the right way. Email me for the picture if you want it. Larry Husky Building rear fuse! ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:47 AM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601xl quick build kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: LHusky@aol.com I agree with Ed. I had 0 experience with any kind of metal before I started and I have found this to be pretty easy so far. I have the complete bottom fuse from tail to firewall and it looks great. I am scratch building, so it is harder than a kit, but the results are great. It can be a little intimidating when you make the first few holes, but after that, it is smooth sailing. I have had to make a part or two twice, but that is part of learning. I would say just go and do it. There is plenty of help out there if you need it and the factory support is great also. Larry ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:07 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Slosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" Ingenious use of a balloon. I like that one. It could be used to pressure test heat muffs too. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Bryan Martin > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:43 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Slosh > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > > > Sloshing compound should not be necessary in a welded aluminum tank > if the welds are any good. In fact, sloshing compound should be > avoided if at all possible. It's expensive, it adds weight, it's a > mess to work with and will possibly need to be redone after several > years in use. > > If you think the welds might leak, seal up all the openings, put a > little bit of air pressure in the tank and use bubble solution to > look for leaks. If you find any, either reweld them or use some JB > Weld to seal them up. Don't use high pressure air to pressurize the > tank, you can easily destroy the tank. You can tie a balloon > over one > of the tank openings and use enough pressure to inflate the balloon. > That will pretty much guarantee you won't over pressurize the tank > > On Jun 20, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Geoff Heap wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" > > > > Zed to the rescue. Thanks, I'll bear the food coloring in mind but > > what is it that I slosh.Some kind of sealant? and is it NECCESARY > > or is it OPTIONAL. Again, this is an alum tank.....Geoff > > > > > > > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > do not archive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:47 AM PST US From: "Dave and Jan Clay" Subject: Zenith-List: fuel tank alternatives --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay" I just finished mowing my yard. While mowing I was contemplating the 601xl fuel tank issue. I noticed my red plastic 5 gallon gas can I've had for many years. It is still in perfect condition and has never sprung a leak despite much abuse. After reading all of the horror stories posted here of welding dificulties, messy Pro Seal, and random leaks I was wondering if anyone has tried plastic fuel tanks or rubber fuel cells. I've seen ads in aviation magazines for companies that make custom made fuel cells. How about it. Anyone ever tried something other than aluminum? Dave Temple, TX scratch building wings _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:16 PM PST US From: "Christopher Smith" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel tank alternatives --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Christopher Smith" Too many static electricity issues. On 6/20/06, Dave and Jan Clay wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay" < > dclaytx2@hotmail.com> > > I just finished mowing my yard. While mowing I was contemplating the 601xl > fuel tank issue. I noticed my red plastic 5 gallon gas can I've had for > many > years. It is still in perfect condition and has never sprung a leak > despite > much abuse. After reading all of the horror stories posted here of welding > dificulties, messy Pro Seal, and random leaks I was wondering if anyone > has > tried plastic fuel tanks or rubber fuel cells. I've seen ads in aviation > magazines for companies that make custom made fuel cells. How about it. > Anyone ever tried something other than aluminum? > > Dave > Temple, TX > scratch building wings > > _________________________________________________________________ > > -- Christopher W. E. Smith http://ch-601xl.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:17 PM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel tank alternatives --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft Dave, You might try looking at this CX4 that is being built. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/CX4/photos/view/6045?b=13 They are thinking of having an extra fuel tank with them. Keith CH701 -- 8% -- scratch N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,000' ***************************************************************************** Dave and Jan Clay wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay" > > > I just finished mowing my yard. While mowing I was contemplating the > 601xl fuel tank issue. I noticed my red plastic 5 gallon gas can I've > had for many years. It is still in perfect condition and has never > sprung a leak despite much abuse. After reading all of the horror > stories posted here of welding dificulties, messy Pro Seal, and random > leaks I was wondering if anyone has tried plastic fuel tanks or rubber > fuel cells. I've seen ads in aviation magazines for companies that > make custom made fuel cells. How about it. Anyone ever tried something > other than aluminum? > > Dave > Temple, TX > scratch building wings > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:16 PM PST US From: Big Gee Subject: Zenith-List: Gull wing doors vs bubble --> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee Dave ---- I appreciate your inputs, but I feel this is an area that can be beat to death------ same as: What model 601 do I build ??? This experimental airplane building consist of a lot of learning curves. A lot of decisions which have to be made, with a lot of them meaning making a compromise. I have never liked the bubble canopy due to the fact it provides "no" roll over protection.--- I would rather take my chances of being able to open one door or the other.------ If I decide getting out might be a problem I'll install a "canopy brake-out knife", similar to what was in the old F-100's. ( only a lighter model)--------(F-100 Super Sabre, jet fighter about 1955 era) I will admit, it is easy to "Monday morning quarterback" after an accident and say: "Maybe he should have done something different" The gentleman that was decapitated in Canada several years ago, while making a "no canopy" landing and hit some power lines might still be alive today if he had had a fixed windshield with the center bar like Cherokee's have. (please correct me if I am wrong about this tragic accident.) About my canopy design, I built a mock-up ( on the airplane from "junk aluminum") than sat in the airplane and made the "proper adjustments" to what I wanted in my airplane. I ended up: raising the height of the windshild frame -----1 1/2" from my orginial layout, making the sides of the windshield a little straighter with less curve. My doors will look very similar to the doors on the CH 2000. The height of the canopy frame, measured between the seats--- I kept the same as "the bubble". The aft canopy /roll over bar is angle braced to the two tubes whichwhich meet at the top forward skin over the baggage compartment. The aft skin will slant down at about a 40 degree angle with a porthole window on each side.----------UGLY ?? probably to some, but it is what I wanted. My airplane is built to plans, so if anyone didn't like my canopy system they could remove it and install the "bubble canopy". Not wishing to start a firestorm--- but, just giving my opinion on the gullwing doors vs. bubble canopy----------- "I yield the remainder of my time, Mr. Speaker" Fritz ------- Corvair-----plans building----- 90/90 Dave wrote: Fritz, I applaud your decision to build the gull wing canopy but a builder in my EAA chapter put this setup on his 601HD...It was the worst thing I ever tried to get into and out from.. And if there was ever a fire forget about getting out. Now maybe your doors are longer than his were, and the longer, the better, would be my take as based on his setup. Now if your windows slide down into the fuselage like the Aerocoupe, I think it would also work better. Dave 601-HD 912ULS ...........3) scratch > building allows you to design your own cockpit enclosure instead of using > the "bubble canopy"------- I am going to use a fixed windshield, gull wing > doors and rear window design as several other folks have done. ( I have my > canopy frame ready for welding) > by opinion only > Fritz -- Corvair, scratch building, 90/90 > > Attachment: http://www.matronics.com/enclosures/88711a3e96b4485d30ff6ecc9afffbb7cc2d048a.bmp --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:01 PM PST US From: "John Anderson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Lost canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Anderson" Hi Tim, Did not check mine according to the update. I think mine were a little deeper on the notch with slightly steeper angle. They seemed to lock in nicely with no slop. Was not really concerned with them. CUL, John 601HD waiting for front opening kit ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:13 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 Oil --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread Friends, I have been using Aeroshell 15-50 in my 3300 for the last year. I see that Auto Zone sells Aeroshell W100 for about half what I pay for 15-50 at the airport. Is one weight grade oil better for hot summer time than the other ? Is there anything wrong with changing the weight from 15-50 to the W100 ? Will it damage anything ? Best to you, Bill of Hot Georgia ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:14 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: fuel tank alternatives --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" >> Too many static electricity issues. That doesn't seem to bother the Sonex folks, different plastic? www.sonexaircraft.com/kits/fueltank.html -- Craig ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:21 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Wheel Pants --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread Friends, I understand that ZAC is going to adopt a different wheel pants for the XL that is the same as the AMD pants. I really don't like the old "wide body" ZAC pants I have now. Anybody out there using the AMD models after using the old ZAC pants ? Was there any speed increase. To tell the truth I didn't notice much difference with or without pants, but I am willing to learn. Best regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:26 PM PST US From: Craig Moore Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel tank alternatives --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Moore Dave, I don't know about the 601, but larry Martin sells (or used to sell) fiberglass tanks for the 701. http://www.skyhawg.com/701tanks.html Best regards, Craig Moore A&P 701 builder wannabe --- Dave and Jan Clay wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan > Clay" > > I just finished mowing my yard. While mowing I was > contemplating the 601xl > fuel tank issue. I noticed my red plastic 5 gallon > gas can I've had for many > years. It is still in perfect condition and has > never sprung a leak despite > much abuse. After reading all of the horror stories > posted here of welding > dificulties, messy Pro Seal, and random leaks I was > wondering if anyone has > tried plastic fuel tanks or rubber fuel cells. I've > seen ads in aviation > magazines for companies that make custom made fuel > cells. How about it. > Anyone ever tried something other than aluminum? > > Dave > Temple, TX > scratch building wings > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:21 PM PST US From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: Zenith-List: Export to canada --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Hey guys, I am about to sell my experimental 601 to a guy from Canada and he is going to pick it up on a trailer and drive it back home. I have to de-register the airplane from the FAA database...thats easy, Trouble is there is a tiny reference to an "export airworthiness certificate". It doesn't say that I actually need one, or which authority requires it and why. I called my local FSDO and they "wer'nt sure" either, but they would have to inspect it to give me the certificate....Yikes!..... The guy has left to go pick up his trailer to come down. Does anyone know if I actually need this certificate and why????? Thanks Frank ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:20 PM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Export to canada --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" Take a picture of him with the trailer. I'm curious about what you can use to move these. I wanted to and agreed to buy a CH-200 about 900 miles away from here. Then I couldn't fly it here, or get it flown here. Trucking companies showed me the door when I said "aircraft" and the rental companies don't do "one way" except U-haul. I just gave up after having the owner on a hook for four weeks. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:27 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Hey guys, > > I am about to sell my experimental 601 to a guy from Canada and he is > going to pick it up on a trailer and drive it back home. > > I have to de-register the airplane from the FAA database...thats easy, > > Trouble is there is a tiny reference to an "export airworthiness > certificate". > > It doesn't say that I actually need one, or which authority requires it > and why. I called my local FSDO and they "wer'nt sure" either, but they > would have to inspect it to give me the certificate....Yikes!..... The > guy has left to go pick up his trailer to come down. > > Does anyone know if I actually need this certificate and why????? > > Thanks > > Frank > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:46 PM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Export to canada --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" I don't think you need to worry about it. This is a quote from the COPA site about importing amateur built aircraft =========================================================================== Importing an amateur-built aircraft was not possible until CAR 507 Appendix C came into effect in 2002. COPA's action on this issue was instrumental in changing the rules so that amateur-builts can now be imported from many other countries. To import an amateur-built from another country you have two ways of doing it (three in the case of lighter aircraft, under 1200 lbs, as explained below). The aircraft can be imported if: If the aircraft is not complete and is in the "pre-cover stage" then it can be imported and finished in Canada. For most aircraft that means wing, fuselage and tail skins are not installed, so that it can have its MD-RA pre-cover inspection done. It needs no permission to bring into Canada at this stage, just import it (via trailer!) and then register it as a project with MD-RA, finish it and have MD-RA do the pre-cover inspection, when you are ready. If it is finished and flying and has 100 hours total time on the airframe then it can be imported as allowed in CAR 507 Appendix C, with only an inspection of the finished aircraft when it comes into the country. Currently MD-RA is not permitted to do this inspection so TC is doing them. NOTE: If the aircraft is past the point in construction where the fabric and wing skins are installed and does not yet have 100 hrs flying time on it then it can't be imported as an amateur-built without taking it back to the pre-close up stage. In the case of an aircraft that has a stall speed of 39 knots (45 mph) or less and a gross weight under 1200 lbs, it can be imported at any stage at all and registered as a basic ultralight in Canada with a C-I registration. The main drawbacks to this category over the amateur-built category are that basic ultralights cannot carry passengers and you must wear a helmet when flying it. Consult the COPA Guide to Ultralights for more information on this subject. =========================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:27 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Hey guys, > > I am about to sell my experimental 601 to a guy from Canada and he is > going to pick it up on a trailer and drive it back home. > > I have to de-register the airplane from the FAA database...thats easy, > > Trouble is there is a tiny reference to an "export airworthiness > certificate". > > It doesn't say that I actually need one, or which authority requires it > and why. I called my local FSDO and they "wer'nt sure" either, but they > would have to inspect it to give me the certificate....Yikes!..... The > guy has left to go pick up his trailer to come down. > > Does anyone know if I actually need this certificate and why????? > > Thanks > > Frank > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:14 PM PST US From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= Subject: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= Hello list members. I have a question about over spray. A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without realizing that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the other planes in the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a happy camper. I had just completed building my Zenith 701 with an expensive paintwork. Now I have a white rough coat on all the top surfaces on my newly painted plane. I have used white spirit, "goo gone" and waxed with carnauba car wax with no result. There is a shine in the paint, but when you stroke the surface, you will find the like sandy surface instead of the smooth surface feel. Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than polishing compound. I would like to eliminate scratching the fresh paint until it gets old and beat up. I appreciate any help. Best wishes. Johann G. Iceland. Joeing 701 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:13 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: (A) Take out a life insurance policy on the "hangar buddy" (B) Shoot the aforementioned buddy (C) Use the insurance money to get the 701 repainted (D) If there is enough money left over, send flowers to his family. Ed Do Not Archive Do Not Paint in the Hangar ---- "Jhann Gestur" wrote: > A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without > realizing that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the > other planes in the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a happy > camper. > Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than > polishing compound. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:03 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Johann, You can remove the overspray easily with a Meguires polish and buffer, or you can wet or dry at 1500 grit and polish from there. Realizing .016 commands a much more delicate touch with a buffer and even wet sanding at 2000 grit is going to go slowly. The easier is first to go at it with 2000 wet or dry and keep the paper wet so you don't load it up. A light buffer after should cut and polish if you go very lightly at it. And then there's always your insurance company.. :-) Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Jhann Gestur wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= > > > Hello list members. > > I have a question about over spray. > A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without > realizing that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the > other planes in the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a > happy camper. > I had just completed building my Zenith 701 with an expensive > paintwork. Now I have a white rough coat on all the top surfaces on my > newly painted plane. > I have used white spirit, "goo gone" and waxed with carnauba car wax > with no result. There is a shine in the paint, but when you stroke the > surface, you will find the like sandy surface instead of the smooth > surface feel. > > Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than > polishing compound. > I would like to eliminate scratching the fresh paint until it gets old > and beat up. > > I appreciate any help. > > Best wishes. > Johann G. > Iceland. > Joeing 701 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:52 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:26 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland > > > Johann, > You can remove the overspray easily with a Meguires polish and buffer, or > you can wet or dry at 1500 grit and polish > from there. Realizing .016 commands a much more delicate touch with a > buffer and even wet sanding at 2000 grit is going > to go slowly. The easier is first to go at it with 2000 wet or dry and > keep the paper wet so you don't load it up. A light buffer > after should cut and polish if you go very lightly at it. And then > there's always your insurance company.. :-) > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > Jhann Gestur wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= >> >> >> Hello list members. >> >> I have a question about over spray. >> A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without >> realizing that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the other >> planes in the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a happy camper. >> I had just completed building my Zenith 701 with an expensive paintwork. >> Now I have a white rough coat on all the top surfaces on my newly painted >> plane. >> I have used white spirit, "goo gone" and waxed with carnauba car wax with >> no result. There is a shine in the paint, but when you stroke the >> surface, you will find the like sandy surface instead of the smooth >> surface feel. >> >> Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than >> polishing compound. >> I would like to eliminate scratching the fresh paint until it gets old >> and beat up. >> >> I appreciate any help. >> >> Best wishes. >> Johann G. >> Iceland. >> Joeing 701 > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:18 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Ed, I got a good belly laugh from your post. I considered telling this guy to try using a major "Hot" solvent like Xylene to clean off the new paint but decided against it. I might try this, but there are serious risks of taking all the paint off instead of just the new stuff and also of turning yourself into a house plant if you don't use proper breathing equipment with this poisonous stuff. Have fun, Paul At 04:55 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: > >(A) Take out a life insurance policy on the "hangar buddy" >(B) Shoot the aforementioned buddy >(C) Use the insurance money to get the 701 repainted >(D) If there is enough money left over, send flowers to his family. > >Ed >Do Not Archive >Do Not Paint in the Hangar > >---- "Jhann Gestur" wrote: > > A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without > > realizing that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the > > other planes in the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a happy > > camper. > > Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than > > polishing compound. > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:38 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" I don't know if it will work or not, but you might try what detail shops use. Go to an automotive paint store and ask them for some clay to remove overspray. I'm not sure what you call it, but it looks and feels just like modeling clay. It takes awhile but it might work and it's worth a shot. Dave in Salem ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:26 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland > > > Johann, > You can remove the overspray easily with a Meguires polish and buffer, or > you can wet or dry at 1500 grit and polish > from there. Realizing .016 commands a much more delicate touch with a > buffer and even wet sanding at 2000 grit is going > to go slowly. The easier is first to go at it with 2000 wet or dry and > keep the paper wet so you don't load it up. A light buffer > after should cut and polish if you go very lightly at it. And then > there's always your insurance company.. :-) > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > Jhann Gestur wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= >> >> >> Hello list members. >> >> I have a question about over spray. >> A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without >> realizing that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the other >> planes in the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a happy camper. >> I had just completed building my Zenith 701 with an expensive paintwork. >> Now I have a white rough coat on all the top surfaces on my newly painted >> plane. >> I have used white spirit, "goo gone" and waxed with carnauba car wax with >> no result. There is a shine in the paint, but when you stroke the >> surface, you will find the like sandy surface instead of the smooth >> surface feel. >> >> Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than >> polishing compound. >> I would like to eliminate scratching the fresh paint until it gets old >> and beat up. >> >> I appreciate any help. >> >> Best wishes. >> Johann G. >> Iceland. >> Joeing 701 > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:28 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ARLINGTON --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" It's probably politically incorrect, (all the fun stuff is), but there quite possibly will be adult beverages involved. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:17 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" > > Ok group, so the Arlington Gathering is on Thursday at 5 pm. Check with > the Zenith Booth for a location. But I think BG14 is looking good !!! > > Mark Townsend > Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. > HYPERLINK > "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com > HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave > Ruddiman > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:04 PM > > I just re-confirmed my space at Arlington. Space BG14, which is on > the main walkway through the camping area. I will be in a Columbus motor > home. Sort of dirty white color with blue stripes. I will be there on > Thursday in the early afternoon. If anyone wants to stop by, please do. > I hope it doesn't matter, but I'm building an 801. > > Dave in Salem > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > -- > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:10 PM PST US From: "Tim Juhl" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jab 3300 Oil --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" I would suggest you find a shell distributor in your area where you can buy it by the case. W100 is fine for summer temps but I would suggest the W100 plus, which contains the same antiwear additives as the 15W50. Here in Michigan I run the multigrade in the cool / cold weather but may just use W100 + in the summer. You can mix different grades and makes of aviation oil without worry. Tim Juhl -------- CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Horiz. Stab. & Elev. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41899#41899 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:11 PM PST US From: "lynn dingfelder" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gas Cap Troubles --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" Michael, I went through the exact same problem recently. The cap(s) was not only too high, but also was warped way out of alignment from the welding process. Here's how I fixed it. 1 - I reduced the cork to the minimum possible thickness on the bottom, but gained very little. 2 - I used a mallet and hardwood block right on top of the filler opening, focusing on the highest side, using a metal yardstick across the opening and tank top to check progress. You have to hit it really hard, but this is very effective. Neither of my tanks were damaged by this procedure. I was able to align the filler well with the skin, and drop it significantly. 3 - A little bit more recess was needed, so I filed and ground a bevel in the opening that matched the angle of the outer cap piece, allowing it to thread in deeper before bottoming. The threads take a bit of tender loving care, and of course the tank interior needed a good vacuum job. All of this only took about an hour for both tanks and solved the problem, but it sure was hard to clobber my tanks like that! Lynn Corry, PA 601XL ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:52 PM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" I've been painting for 40 years plus and have had this problem many many times. There are several different things you can try. I've had them all work at different times, depending on what the overspray is and how long it's been on. First try a paint-prep you can get at an auto parts that handles paint, NAPA. Most of the time this works, you will have to wax afterwards. Put some on a small spot, let it stand, then rub it off. If that doesn't work, try a small spot with plain old rubbing compound, I've had luck with that too. Your last hope would be 1000/1500 grit wet sandpaper and buffing, . Now if the guy was spraying an epoxy or urethane, you could be fried, especially if it's been on for a while and if it's on fairly new paint. The overspray will kind of melt into uncured paint. I don't like the sanding, it's hard work and will most likely take the paint off the top of your rivets. Probably number one will work best, take it easy and take your time. Make you buddy do it, he should have known better. Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:29 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur? > > > Hello list members. > > I have a question about over spray. > A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without realizing > that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the other planes in > the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a happy camper. > I had just completed building my Zenith 701 with an expensive paintwork. > Now I have a white rough coat on all the top surfaces on my newly painted > plane. > I have used white spirit, "goo gone" and waxed with carnauba car wax with > no result. There is a shine in the paint, but when you stroke the surface, > you will find the like sandy surface instead of the smooth surface feel. > > Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than > polishing compound. > I would like to eliminate scratching the fresh paint until it gets old and > beat up. > > I appreciate any help. > > Best wishes. > Johann G. > Iceland. > Joeing 701 > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:19 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: COPA Convention/Aviation Expo? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Anybody going to Oshawa this weekend? Some of us are considering it. Final decision on Thursday evening. :-) Michel do not archive ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:33 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" YEAH, WHAT HE SAID. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:47 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" > > I've been painting for 40 years plus and have had this problem many many > times. There are several different things you can try. I've had them > all > work at different times, depending on what the overspray is and how long > it's been on. First try a paint-prep you can get at an auto parts that > handles paint, NAPA. Most of the time this works, you will have to wax > afterwards. Put some on a small spot, let it stand, then rub it off. If > that doesn't work, try a small spot with plain old rubbing compound, I've > had luck with that too. Your last hope would be 1000/1500 grit wet > sandpaper and buffing, . Now if the guy was spraying an epoxy or > urethane, > you could be fried, especially if it's been on for a while and if it's on > fairly new paint. The overspray will kind of melt into uncured paint. I > don't like the sanding, it's hard work and will most likely take the paint > off the top of your rivets. > > Probably number one will work best, take it easy and take your time. > > Make you buddy do it, he should have known better. > > Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:29 PM > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur? >> >> >> Hello list members. >> >> I have a question about over spray. >> A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without >> realizing >> that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the other planes in >> the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a happy camper. >> I had just completed building my Zenith 701 with an expensive paintwork. >> Now I have a white rough coat on all the top surfaces on my newly painted >> plane. >> I have used white spirit, "goo gone" and waxed with carnauba car wax with >> no result. There is a shine in the paint, but when you stroke the >> surface, >> you will find the like sandy surface instead of the smooth surface feel. >> >> Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than >> polishing compound. >> I would like to eliminate scratching the fresh paint until it gets old >> and >> beat up. >> >> I appreciate any help. >> >> Best wishes. >> Johann G. >> Iceland. >> Joeing 701 >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:04 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aluminum Order?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Randy, The drawings are NOT TO SCALE. That is emphasized many places in the drawing package. On my drawings (sheet 6W2 dated 12/04) the hinge size is set by the bottom left corner of the drawing. It shows a minimum 45 mm length. That means your aileron should be just fine. Paul XL Fuselage do not archive At 09:26 AM 6/19/2006, you wrote: > I ended up with 45mm on the tip and 50mm on the root, hanging > over for the flex hinge... I can only hope this will be enough > material... Assuming the drawings are to scale, ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:10 PM PST US From: "Larry Winger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: One last reality check --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Winger" Fritz, In looking at the Zenith DVD, it sure looked like Chris was fairly tall. That's probably good news for guys like me. My great hope is that I'll fit under the bubble canopy just fine. If not, I may be contacting you for more info on your modification. Thanks, Larry On 6/19/06, Big Gee wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee > > Larry > For what it is worth--- 1) Chris Heintz is a fairly tall person---- and > most designers tend to design around their needs. 2) He has a most forward > position for the rudder pedals. ( he use to have 2 positions) 3) scratch > building allows you to design your own cockpit enclosure instead of using > the "bubble canopy"------- I am going to use a fixed windshield, gull wing > doors and rear window design as several other folks have done. ( I have my > canopy frame ready for welding) > by opinion only > Fritz -- Corvair, scratch building, 90/90 > > Larry Winger wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Winger" > > After many months of investigating my homebuilt options, I have settled on > the 601XL -- subject to one last reality check. > > Because I am 6'6" talI, I have two specific questions: > > 1) Are there any builders within 400 miles of LA who have a completed > fuselage and canopy that I could try on for size? That would satisfy my > need to sit in the plane as it was designed. > > 2) If I need to squeeze out some additional leg room (and possibly head > room), are there any reasonably simple modifications that can increase > those > two dimensions without negative consequences (safety, aerodynamics, etc.)? > I intend to build from scratch with a Corvair engine. > > This appears to be a great list. Thanks in advance for the responses. > > Larry Winger > larrywinger@gmail.com > Tustin, CA > N53VP > WW Conversion Manual enroute. > Ready to send my check to ZAC > > > --------------------------------- > much more to come. > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:20 PM PST US From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: To slosh or not to slosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Depends on how long you want to live?...Ok that's a bit harsh but I have personally witnessed a plane crash due to sloshing...The sad part is I warned the owner about it just before his first flight. What can happen is the slosh makes like dangly boogers hanging down inside the tank...which harden and after a whie break off and plug your fuel strainer. More risky on slender wing tanks where you can't see inside but even so you need to be sure there are no danglies if you insist on using this stuff. Needless to say I would not recommend it Frank -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Heap Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:26 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" Hey Guys. Can someone please give me the 10 cent tour on sloshing. I'm getting ready to install my header tank and i could use some advice on what is best to clean the inside with, and then. Is sloshing always to be done on alum tanks? Whats the rule here? I'm thinking that it will help with possible pinholes resulting from welding. I HAVE pressure tested my tank and it held for 30 minutes at least but there could be a pinhole waiting to rear its ugly head in service ............Thanks...Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41761#41761 ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:22 PM PST US From: crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 Oil --> Zenith-List message posted by: crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Everyone: Not to throw hot oil on this fire, but I thought SAE specifications regarding oil "weight' and mineral (aviation) oil 'weight were two very different scales; that is, SAE 60 and aviation oil 60 are very different. True? Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT N458XL reserved stuck forever on wings definitely do not archive -----Original Message----- Sent: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:28:15 EDT --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread Friends, I have been using Aeroshell 15-50 in my 3300 for the last year. I see that Auto Zone sells Aeroshell W100 for about half what I pay for 15-50 at the airport. Is one weight grade oil better for hot summer time than the other ? Is there anything wrong with changing the weight from 15-50 to the W100 ? Will it damage anything ? Best to you, Bill of Hot Georgia ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:22 PM PST US From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: More dimensions --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Indeed it does! Thanks Jim. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hoak Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:18 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" Frank, Per the distances obtained when doing the W & B for my 601HD, the distance between the nose gear axle center and the main gear axle center is 46 1/8". Hope this helps. Jim Hoak do not archive ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:28 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Hey guys, > > Anyone know the front to back dimension between the front and main > wheels on a 601. Imagine a line connecting the two main axles...It will > be the dimension between the center of this line and the front wheel > axle. > > My buyer wants to rent a trailer and this is going to be a critical > dimension for him. > > Thanks a bunch > > Frank > 601HDS 400 hours > > > ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:00 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: 601 dimensions --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Frank, Don't know for sure about the 601, but the 701 info on ZAC website shows this measurement for 701. Possibly the 601 info pages show same for that aircraft. Regards, Zed do not archive ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:08 PM PST US From: "Josh" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Picking up kits from factory --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Josh" I would like to thank everyone for the advice. I think I will plan on getting a 5x8 trailer and I should have plenty of room if I angle the longerons and roll the skins. Being able to pick up airplane parts and visit the factory should make driving from Arizona to Missouri and spending a week visiting in-laws barely tolerable... By the way Zenith was great about letting me pick up the kits I requested at short notice. Thanks Again Josh Working on Wings ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:43 AM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > > All of the flat skins can be rolled up in a compact coil so they > don't pose a problem. The fuselage longerons are composed of eight > pieces of either extruded or bent L angles that are about ten feet > long. These are the longest parts you'll have to deal with. The rear > segments are straight and the forward segments are curved in the > shape of the forward fuselage. If you are using an enclosed trailer, > these parts could be stowed diagonally across the trailer with one > end at say the lower left rear corner and the other in the upper > right front corner. This may allow you to use a trailer shorter than > ten feet ( I am assuming that you won't need the crate since you are > picking the parts up yourself. Other than that, the longest and > heaviest part I can think of is the main gear spring which you > shouldn't have any trouble stowing in any of the trailers you mentioned. ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:18 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Export to canada --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Open utility trailers are amazingly cheap to buy (US$700 for a 6 by 8 ft). Buy one, move the plane and sell the trailer if you don't think you will ever move the plane in the future. -- Craig -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:19 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" Take a picture of him with the trailer. I'm curious about what you can use to move these. I wanted to and agreed to buy a CH-200 about 900 miles away from here. Then I couldn't fly it here, or get it flown here. Trucking companies showed me the door when I said "aircraft" and the rental companies don't do "one way" except U-haul. I just gave up after having the owner on a hook for four weeks. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:27 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Hey guys, > > I am about to sell my experimental 601 to a guy from Canada and he is > going to pick it up on a trailer and drive it back home. > > I have to de-register the airplane from the FAA database...thats easy, > > Trouble is there is a tiny reference to an "export airworthiness > certificate". > > It doesn't say that I actually need one, or which authority requires it > and why. I called my local FSDO and they "wer'nt sure" either, but they > would have to inspect it to give me the certificate....Yikes!..... The > guy has left to go pick up his trailer to come down. > > Does anyone know if I actually need this certificate and why????? > > Thanks > > Frank > > > ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:39 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: Distance between main and nose gear on 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" Frank (and anyone else with a need to know): As measured on my 601, the distance from a line stretched between the main gear axles to the center of the nose gear axle is 45 & 7/8 inches. Hope this is some help. George ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:40 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Plastic fuel tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Dave!! Great question....I have also wondered. Inquiring minds, etc The firms that make containers such as you mention are many....problem is, how does one assault the problem. Some years ago I observed a rather large plant in Lincoln, Nebraska, that made all sorts of "plastic" tanks for farm & ranch use, chemical containers, barrels for acids, and so forth. This isn't the only manufacturer, but your post jogged my memory. Must be dozens of places doing custom work for all sorts of applications. Surely there is a Lister familiar with the process and materials. In the case of the 701, a tank of the approximate same dimensions, even if it only held nine gallons, might be nearly a stock item at one of these firms. Since it would be molded it would likely have rounded corners, and possibly the wall thickness might be optional. Lots of the larger lawnmowers use non-metalic fuel tanks, likewise construction machinery, welders, pumps, and somebody is making these tanks for the machinery manufacturer. Not sure what 'blow molding' involves, but it can't be rocket science.....the mold itself might be the determining factor as to cheap tanks. Somebody jump on this one......or start selling tanks. Another franchise opportunity. You want cheese wit dat? I'll be out a few days, can you come by and mow my yard? Feed the hangar cat while you're there. do not archive Regards, Zed ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:47 PM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Zenith-List: More On Gas Cap Listers, I am attaching a picture so that you can see what I am facing. Phil and Ed - thank you for responding specifically. I have asked more questions below. If anyone else has any more thoughts, I would love to hear it. ___________ Phil Pyatt wrote: My wife and I had to beat the welded colars down into the tank. Also the colars were not square with the leading edge to begin with so we also used some fairly high force to bend them so that the cap had even gap distance all the way around the leading edge. ________________ Phil - as much as I like the sound of beating something right now, I'm not sure I understand. Isn't the collar welded on? How can you beat it farther down? I certainly seem to be in the same position - it clearly needs to go down and it is not flush with the shape of the skin. _____________ Ed Moody wrote: You most certainly can shim under the skin to push it up taught under the filler flange. No matter how tight the skin feels to your touch the geometry involved will allow you to use cork to lift the skin to snug under the flange. Give it a try. I'm working on that same issue right now. ______________ Ed - I don't think I understand your response either. It certainly seems too tight to shim under the skin to raise it up. It is close enough to the edge of the tank and the nearest rib that I can't imagine it coming up this much. The skin was extremely tight to wrap around the tank and it seems to be pretty set in its geometry (tight from wrap around front of tank to tight against spar). After looking at the picture, do you still think I can shim it? Thanks for everyone's help. Michael Valentine Attachment: http://www.matronics.com/enclosures/3d068b3811e209be6858f3d22b39b68b5a1d87ae.JPG ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:48 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Export to canada --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Frank, I'd make copies of your documents and take pictures 3-views and cockpit making certain that the pictures clearly include the N-numbers on your plane. Do not remove them unless your local FAA inspector suggests that they should be. Cert of Airworthiness, POH and all should be in one of the pictures as well as the builders plate. This way, you've covered all your bases. Call your local FBO on the export airworthiness cert. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > Hey guys, > >I am about to sell my experimental 601 to a guy from Canada and he is >going to pick it up on a trailer and drive it back home. > >I have to de-register the airplane from the FAA database...thats easy, > >Trouble is there is a tiny reference to an "export airworthiness >certificate". > >It doesn't say that I actually need one, or which authority requires it >and why. I called my local FSDO and they "wer'nt sure" either, but they >would have to inspect it to give me the certificate....Yikes!..... The >guy has left to go pick up his trailer to come down. > >Does anyone know if I actually need this certificate and why????? > >Thanks > >Frank > > > > ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:48 PM PST US From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" There is a product called "overspary clay"...Never used it but its supposed to be magical. Other than that your buddy (not) will likely be wet sanding it off and rebuffing...Not the end of the world but not good either. Frank -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:30 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= --> Hello list members. I have a question about over spray. A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without realizing that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the other planes in the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a happy camper. I had just completed building my Zenith 701 with an expensive paintwork. Now I have a white rough coat on all the top surfaces on my newly painted plane. I have used white spirit, "goo gone" and waxed with carnauba car wax with no result. There is a shine in the paint, but when you stroke the surface, you will find the like sandy surface instead of the smooth surface feel. Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than polishing compound. I would like to eliminate scratching the fresh paint until it gets old and beat up. I appreciate any help. Best wishes. Johann G. Iceland. Joeing 701 ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:46 PM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Re: Zenith-List: COPA Convention/Aviation Expo? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page I usually go every year to man the UPAC booth but this year I'm going to sit it out. Too hot for me on that weekend. I was going to fly down but I'm conducting some engine maintenance. Trev Page C-IDUS 601HD R912 do not archive On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:00 PM, Michel Therrien wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > > Anybody going to Oshawa this weekend? Some of us are > considering it. Final decision on Thursday evening. > :-) > > Michel > do not archive > > ---------------------------- > Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby > > __________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:09 PM PST US From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Export to canada --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Just put it on a flatbed and haul it...As long as its strapped down its just fine. Frank -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:19 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" Take a picture of him with the trailer. I'm curious about what you can use to move these. I wanted to and agreed to buy a CH-200 about 900 miles away from here. Then I couldn't fly it here, or get it flown here. Trucking companies showed me the door when I said "aircraft" and the rental companies don't do "one way" except U-haul. I just gave up after having the owner on a hook for four weeks. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:27 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Hey guys, > > I am about to sell my experimental 601 to a guy from Canada and he is > going to pick it up on a trailer and drive it back home. > > I have to de-register the airplane from the FAA database...thats easy, > > Trouble is there is a tiny reference to an "export airworthiness > certificate". > > It doesn't say that I actually need one, or which authority requires it > and why. I called my local FSDO and they "wer'nt sure" either, but they > would have to inspect it to give me the certificate....Yikes!..... The > guy has left to go pick up his trailer to come down. > > Does anyone know if I actually need this certificate and why????? > > Thanks > > Frank > > > ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:10 PM PST US From: "Christopher Smith" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel tank alternatives --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Christopher Smith" With plastic that is. Rubber would be fine. On 6/20/06, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Too many static electricity issues. > > > On 6/20/06, Dave and Jan Clay wrote: > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay" < > > dclaytx2@hotmail.com> > > > > I just finished mowing my yard. While mowing I was contemplating the > > 601xl > > fuel tank issue. I noticed my red plastic 5 gallon gas can I've had for > > many > > years. It is still in perfect condition and has never sprung a leak > > despite > > much abuse. After reading all of the horror stories posted here of > > welding > > dificulties, messy Pro Seal, and random leaks I was wondering if anyone > > has > > tried plastic fuel tanks or rubber fuel cells. I've seen ads in aviation > > magazines for companies that make custom made fuel cells. How about it. > > Anyone ever tried something other than aluminum? > > > > Dave > > Temple, TX > > scratch building wings > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Christopher W. E. Smith > http://ch-601xl.com > -- Christopher W. E. Smith http://ch-601xl.com ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:50 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: To slosh or not to slosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: Afterfxllc@aol.com I'm not sure if anyone covered this or not but Van's used to tell you to slosh the tanks but not anymore.... I have seen that stuff flaking off in the tank and I would never slosh a tank...if you use proseal properly it will make the biggest mess in the world but not leak. Jeff 601 xl hanging engine ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:50 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aluminum Order?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Changing the weight and balance of the ailerons might lead to flutter problems. You don't want to experience that - it can be your last experience. Paul XL Fuselage do not archive At 08:59 AM 6/19/2006, you wrote: >I can't image there would be any aerodynamic issues with a thicker >material, although there may be, I'm not an expert in that field... ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:05 PM PST US From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Export to canada --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Thanks Dave. I got corroborating infor my local FSDO...We're good to go! Frank -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:14 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" I don't think you need to worry about it. This is a quote from the COPA site about importing amateur built aircraft =========================================================================== Importing an amateur-built aircraft was not possible until CAR 507 Appendix C came into effect in 2002. COPA's action on this issue was instrumental in changing the rules so that amateur-builts can now be imported from many other countries. To import an amateur-built from another country you have two ways of doing it (three in the case of lighter aircraft, under 1200 lbs, as explained below). The aircraft can be imported if: If the aircraft is not complete and is in the "pre-cover stage" then it can be imported and finished in Canada. For most aircraft that means wing, fuselage and tail skins are not installed, so that it can have its MD-RA pre-cover inspection done. It needs no permission to bring into Canada at this stage, just import it (via trailer!) and then register it as a project with MD-RA, finish it and have MD-RA do the pre-cover inspection, when you are ready. If it is finished and flying and has 100 hours total time on the airframe then it can be imported as allowed in CAR 507 Appendix C, with only an inspection of the finished aircraft when it comes into the country. Currently MD-RA is not permitted to do this inspection so TC is doing them. NOTE: If the aircraft is past the point in construction where the fabric and wing skins are installed and does not yet have 100 hrs flying time on it then it can't be imported as an amateur-built without taking it back to the pre-close up stage. In the case of an aircraft that has a stall speed of 39 knots (45 mph) or less and a gross weight under 1200 lbs, it can be imported at any stage at all and registered as a basic ultralight in Canada with a C-I registration. The main drawbacks to this category over the amateur-built category are that basic ultralights cannot carry passengers and you must wear a helmet when flying it. Consult the COPA Guide to Ultralights for more information on this subject. =========================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:27 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Hey guys, > > I am about to sell my experimental 601 to a guy from Canada and he is > going to pick it up on a trailer and drive it back home. > > I have to de-register the airplane from the FAA database...thats easy, > > Trouble is there is a tiny reference to an "export airworthiness > certificate". > > It doesn't say that I actually need one, or which authority requires it > and why. I called my local FSDO and they "wer'nt sure" either, but they > would have to inspect it to give me the certificate....Yikes!..... The > guy has left to go pick up his trailer to come down. > > Does anyone know if I actually need this certificate and why????? > > Thanks > > Frank > > > ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:38 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Zenith-List: Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss something important? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz I can't help but wondering why anyone would take a perfectly good cross country airplane and put in a trailer to deliver it some distance away. Why not fly it there? Apparently there are good reasons not to fly the plane. There seem to be lots of people and lots of different planes going through this experience. Still, I have to wonder. If someone wants a plane but is unwilling to fly it home then what, exactly, do they plane to do with the plane when they get it there? Paul XL Fuselage do not archive ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:20 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Jab 3300 Oil --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Jim, thanks for the oil info. Don't remember if the jugs said "plus" or not. Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 71 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:22 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" Depending on what type of paint is on your plane, you might be able to use lacquer thinner. I have been a painting contractor forever and I have the guys use lacquer thinner to get overspray off of the company trucks. It cleans them up and doesn't hurt the original paint. If you used automotive paint and it is cured it should work OK. If you aren't sure try a small spot in an unobtrusive spot. Dave in Salem ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:53 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > > Hi Ed, > > I got a good belly laugh from your post. > > I considered telling this guy to try using a major "Hot" solvent like > Xylene to clean off the new paint but decided against it. I might try > this, but there are serious risks of taking all the paint off instead of > just the new stuff and also of turning yourself into a house plant if you > don't use proper breathing equipment with this poisonous stuff. > > Have fun, > > Paul > > > At 04:55 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote: >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: >> >>(A) Take out a life insurance policy on the "hangar buddy" >>(B) Shoot the aforementioned buddy >>(C) Use the insurance money to get the 701 repainted >>(D) If there is enough money left over, send flowers to his family. >> >>Ed >>Do Not Archive >>Do Not Paint in the Hangar >> >>---- "Jhann Gestur" wrote: >> > A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without >> > realizing that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the >> > other planes in the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a happy >> > camper. >> > Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than >> > polishing compound. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > --------------------------------------------- > Paul Mulwitz > 32013 NE Dial Road > Camas, WA 98607 > --------------------------------------------- > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 72 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:22 PM PST US From: "Graham Kirby" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint overspary --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" Johann, It's the raised rivet heads that'll be the challenge if you use wet&dry. I certainly wouldn't have the patience to clean around every single one of them. If the paint chemistries are sufficiently different and you know their compositions, I would expect that an industrial paint supplier could steer you towards a specific solvent that will remove only the bad stuff. I am sure you are not the first person to have this problem but you should try to fix this as soon as possible. A while ago I oversprayed enamel over an epoxy based paint. It was easy to remove the enamel with solvent until about two days after the crime. After that the solvent had no effect. Graham Kirby 601hd