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1. 01:06 AM - Re: Paint overspary (n801bh@netzero.com)
2. 03:06 AM - Re: Export to canada (Dave)
3. 03:10 AM - Re: Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss something important? (Dave)
4. 05:12 AM - Re: fuel tank alternatives (Noel Loveys)
5. 05:14 AM - Re: Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss something important? (Noel Loveys)
6. 05:35 AM - Re: One last reality check (Jimbo)
7. 06:20 AM - metal prop for 65 Cont. (John Bolding)
8. 06:35 AM - Re: Aluminum Order?? (Randy Bryant)
9. 06:58 AM - Re: Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss something important? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 08:34 AM - Re: fuel tank alternatives (Dave Ruddiman)
11. 09:07 AM - Re: More On Gas Cap ()
12. 10:30 AM - 601 XL Wheel Pants (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
13. 10:30 AM - Re: 601XL Wheel Pants (Christopher Smith)
14. 11:16 AM - Re: Paint overspary (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?=)
15. 11:39 AM - Re: 601XL Wheel Pants (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
16. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Zenith Aircraft at Lockhaven ()
17. 02:32 PM - Re: Plastic fuel tanks (Thilo Kind)
18. 03:34 PM - Article (Bill Naumuk)
19. 03:39 PM - Re: Export to canada (Bryan Martin)
20. 03:54 PM - Re: More On Gas Cap (lynn dingfelder)
21. 03:56 PM - 701 or 801 door latches (Gary Liming)
22. 05:03 PM - good luck in you choice (Big Gee)
23. 05:08 PM - Re: Article (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
24. 06:50 PM - Engineering or Voodoo? (Michael Valentine)
25. 07:02 PM - Anyone with a Zenith for a possible trade?? (David Mikesell)
26. 07:40 PM - Re: Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss something (JOHN STARN)
27. 09:14 PM - Reality check complete (Larry Winger)
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| Subject: | Re: Paint overspary |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
I am pretty sure this will not work on a Zenith Aircraft. If the surface was smooth
the polishing process would work but with the pulled rivets and the domed
heads they have, the end result will be a bunch of shiny rivet heads and overspray
still on the flat skin. Just my two cents worth..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
I've been painting for 40 years plus and have had this problem many many
times. There are several different things you can try. I've had them all
work at different times, depending on what the overspray is and how long
it's been on. First try a paint-prep you can get at an auto parts that
handles paint, NAPA. Most of the time this works, you will have to wax
afterwards. Put some on a small spot, let it stand, then rub it off. If
that doesn't work, try a small spot with plain old rubbing compound, I've
had luck with that too. Your last hope would be 1000/1500 grit wet
sandpaper and buffing, . Now if the guy was spraying an epoxy or urethane,
you could be fried, especially if it's been on for a while and if it's on
fairly new paint. The overspray will kind of melt into uncured paint. I
don't like the sanding, it's hard work and will most likely take the paint
off the top of your rivets.
Probably number one will work best, take it easy and take your time.
Make you buddy do it, he should have known better.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:29 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?
> <joeing701@internet.is>
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> Hello list members.
>
> I have a question about over spray.
> A hangar "buddy" was spraying his cowling in the HANGAR, without realizing
> that the spray would get in the air and flow over all the other planes in
> the hangar. duh. You will notice that I am not a happy camper.
> I had just completed building my Zenith 701 with an expensive paintwork.
> Now I have a white rough coat on all the top surfaces on my newly painted
> plane.
> I have used white spirit, "goo gone" and waxed with carnauba car wax with
> no result. There is a shine in the paint, but when you stroke the surface,
> you will find the like sandy surface instead of the smooth surface feel.
>
> Does anyone have a solution or know of a material for this, other than
> polishing compound.
> I would like to eliminate scratching the fresh paint until it gets old and
> beat up.
>
> I appreciate any help.
>
> Best wishes.
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> Joeing 701
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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| Subject: | Re: Export to canada |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:16 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Just put it on a flatbed and haul it...As long as its strapped down its
> just fine.
>
> Frank
>
Thought of that, can't rent a flatbed at all. I even asked at a used dealer
about "buying" and returning it after when he wouldn't rent. He figured he
could do that, it would only lose me about $3000 plus taxes (15%) on an
$18000 truck. I'm pretty sure I will eventually find a way this could've
been done. But so far the only way that plane could have got here at any
reasonable price would have been to fly it. I simply don't have the
experience to fly it here, through foriegn controlled airspace, and the
owner couldn't. Somebody would have but I didn't meet him. I bought a Kitfox
locally. When I have some experience travelling, these types of trips should
be easy.
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| Subject: | Re: Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss something important? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:31 AM
important?
> I can't help but wondering why anyone would take a perfectly good cross
> country airplane and put in a trailer to deliver it some distance away.
>
> Why not fly it there?
>
Hi Paul, in my case it was simply inexperience, perhaps I am overly
cautious. My only flying experience is the Cessna 152 that I learned in,
plus a couple of hours in a 172 and short flights in the right seat of a few
other planes where I fiddled with the controls a little. Travelling across
four provinces in airspace partially controlled by a foriegn country in an
unfamilar aircraft over some pretty rough terrain is a bit of a leap for me.
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| Subject: | fuel tank alternatives |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
As long as the tank is covered and not out in the blowing wind static
electricity shouldn't be a problem. It requires a rubbing action to develop
static electricity. If the tank is inside a wing and secured properly then
there is nothing to rub against it and develop the static charge. A plus
for the injection moulded fuel tanks is they are impervious to the ethanol
now contaminating a lot of the fuel supply.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Christopher Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:28 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel tank alternatives
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Christopher Smith"
> <ch601xl@gmail.com>
>
> With plastic that is. Rubber would be fine.
>
> On 6/20/06, Christopher Smith <ch601xl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Too many static electricity issues.
> >
> >
> > On 6/20/06, Dave and Jan Clay <dclaytx2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay" <
> > > dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > I just finished mowing my yard. While mowing I was
> contemplating the
> > > 601xl
> > > fuel tank issue. I noticed my red plastic 5 gallon gas
> can I've had for
> > > many
> > > years. It is still in perfect condition and has never
> sprung a leak
> > > despite
> > > much abuse. After reading all of the horror stories posted here of
> > > welding
> > > dificulties, messy Pro Seal, and random leaks I was
> wondering if anyone
> > > has
> > > tried plastic fuel tanks or rubber fuel cells. I've seen
> ads in aviation
> > > magazines for companies that make custom made fuel cells.
> How about it.
> > > Anyone ever tried something other than aluminum?
> > >
> > > Dave
> > > Temple, TX
> > > scratch building wings
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
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> > --
> > Christopher W. E. Smith
> > http://ch-601xl.com
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> --
> Christopher W. E. Smith
> http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss something important? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
In my case I live some distance from the nearest strip or airport. Most of
the year I'm a die hard float flyer. In the winter I put the wheels on.
That means to fly I have to trailer the plane to the nearest strip or
airport to fly.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Paul Mulwitz
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:01 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss
> something important?
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>
> I can't help but wondering why anyone would take a perfectly good
> cross country airplane and put in a trailer to deliver it
> some distance away.
>
> Why not fly it there?
>
> Apparently there are good reasons not to fly the plane. There seem
> to be lots of people and lots of different planes going through this
> experience.
>
> Still, I have to wonder. If someone wants a plane but is unwilling
> to fly it home then what, exactly, do they plane to do with the plane
> when they get it there?
>
> Paul
> XL Fuselage
> do not archive
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| Subject: | One last reality check |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jimbo <jimandmandy@yahoo.com>
The airplane does actually exist. I got to fly it at
Golden West.
Jim
--- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Here is a little more information on the 601XL
> instructor in SoCal:
>
> Jon Thornburgh
>
> Jon@JonThornburgh.com
> Cell Phone 800-971-8710
>
> http://www.lasportplanes.com/13132.html
>
> Warning: in my search for instruction in a 601XL I
> have found that many
> schools are planning or advertising instruction in a
> 601XL but do not
> actually have a plane yet. The only confirmed plane
> that I know of is Jim
> Pellien's at Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes in Virginia.
> I would love to hear of
> other confirmed sightings.
>
> -- Craig
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| Subject: | metal prop for 65 Cont. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Bolding" <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
A few days back someone needed a metal prop for his 65 Cont. contact me
off list, I have an extra off my Champ. John
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Order?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Thanks Paul,
I laid the flaps and ailerons out on the table yesterday and aligned their
trailing edges and did some "guesstimating" and measuring and I agree, I
think there will be enough material...but just enough...
Thanks,
Randy
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:22 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Hi Randy,
>
> The drawings are NOT TO SCALE. That is emphasized many places in the
> drawing package.
>
> On my drawings (sheet 6W2 dated 12/04) the hinge size is set by the bottom
> left corner of the drawing. It shows a minimum 45 mm length. That means
> your aileron should be just fine.
>
> Paul
> XL Fuselage
> do not archive
>
> At 09:26 AM 6/19/2006, you wrote:
>> I ended up with 45mm on the tip and 50mm on the root, hanging over for
>> the flex hinge... I can only hope this will be enough material...
>> Assuming the drawings are to scale,
>
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
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| Subject: | Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss something important? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Three reasons...
1) Weather...In western Oregon there are some mountains to get over (and
the Rockies) and to guarantee good weather for 2000 miles in any
direction is unlikely...Not if you don't have time to be stuck
somewhere.
2)To get a flying airplane across the border into Canada that you are
buying is apparently very difficult.
3) Depends on how confident you are with the transition traning you
got....A Zodiac is a very easy airplane to fly with little training...An
RV or Lanceair is very different and the insurance company will almost
certainly require a signoff by a CFI in the make and model.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Mulwitz
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:31 PM
important?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
--> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I can't help but wondering why anyone would take a perfectly good cross
country airplane and put in a trailer to deliver it some distance away.
Why not fly it there?
Apparently there are good reasons not to fly the plane. There seem to
be lots of people and lots of different planes going through this
experience.
Still, I have to wonder. If someone wants a plane but is unwilling to
fly it home then what, exactly, do they plane to do with the plane when
they get it there?
Paul
XL Fuselage
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank alternatives |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
I was in the group that built 14 Neuport biplane replicas in Oregon. They
were all scratch built. For fuel tanks we used red plastic tanks like you
would use in a boat. I think they held 12 gallons but don't know for sure.
They were secured in the cowl with 2 metal bands. They tanks that were in
the plans were welded aluminum that all had to be fabricated. We built one
and decided that the plastic ones not only fit well, but were a lot cheaper
and already made. The tanks come in several shapes and sizes.
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:07 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> As long as the tank is covered and not out in the blowing wind static
> electricity shouldn't be a problem. It requires a rubbing action to
> develop
> static electricity. If the tank is inside a wing and secured properly
> then
> there is nothing to rub against it and develop the static charge. A plus
> for the injection moulded fuel tanks is they are impervious to the ethanol
> now contaminating a lot of the fuel supply.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Christopher Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:28 PM
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel tank alternatives
>>
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Christopher Smith"
>> <ch601xl@gmail.com>
>>
>> With plastic that is. Rubber would be fine.
>>
>> On 6/20/06, Christopher Smith <ch601xl@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Too many static electricity issues.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/20/06, Dave and Jan Clay <dclaytx2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay" <
>> > > dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > I just finished mowing my yard. While mowing I was
>> contemplating the
>> > > 601xl
>> > > fuel tank issue. I noticed my red plastic 5 gallon gas
>> can I've had for
>> > > many
>> > > years. It is still in perfect condition and has never
>> sprung a leak
>> > > despite
>> > > much abuse. After reading all of the horror stories posted here of
>> > > welding
>> > > dificulties, messy Pro Seal, and random leaks I was
>> wondering if anyone
>> > > has
>> > > tried plastic fuel tanks or rubber fuel cells. I've seen
>> ads in aviation
>> > > magazines for companies that make custom made fuel cells.
>> How about it.
>> > > Anyone ever tried something other than aluminum?
>> > >
>> > > Dave
>> > > Temple, TX
>> > > scratch building wings
>> > >
>> > > _________________________________________________________________
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Christopher W. E. Smith
>> > http://ch-601xl.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Christopher W. E. Smith
>> http://ch-601xl.com
>>
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| Subject: | Re: More On Gas Cap |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Michael, I think you are right about the flange sticking up a lot but I still don't
think it's un-shimable. First however, check to make sure that the filler
is screwing all the way down into the welded collar as far as it can. It looks
to me like the welders use some sort of compound to block out threads during
the welding process and it can be a real bear to remove. Maybe some of your threads
are still obstructed by the stuff. If that's the case. some careful solvent
and wire brush action might save the day.
Next, once you are sure that it cannot possibly screw down any farther, I believe
that if you just experiment a bit with cork or even a carefully and artfully
shaped wood "donut" under the skin, around the welded collar, you might be surprised
by how much improvement you could acheive.
Regarding the "beating the flange down into the tank" suggestion, my guess is he
meant actually bending the top of the tank inward around the filler flange.
If that part of the tank is dented inward carrying the welded collar downward
with it, the surface flange would end up lower too, possibly making contact with
the skin. That being said, bending the tank risks cracks and leaks.
Good luck,
Ed
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| Subject: | 601 XL Wheel Pants |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Thread Friends, I have a set of wheel pants for a XL already trimmed to fit,
painted white, with access caps built in to air up the tires without removal
that I don't need anymore. Anybody interested contact me off thread. The
searing wheel pant will fit over the doubler fork option and all are in good shape,
Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Wheel Pants |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Christopher Smith" <ch601xl@gmail.com>
ZAC has pictures up on the website of the new wheelpants.
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/wheelfairing.html
On 6/20/06, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Dear Thread Friends, I understand that ZAC is going to adopt a different
> wheel pants for the XL that is the same as the AMD pants. I really don't
> like the
> old "wide body" ZAC pants I have now. Anybody out there using the AMD
> models
> after using the old ZAC pants ? Was there any speed increase. To tell the
> truth
> I didn't notice much difference with or without pants, but I am willing to
> learn. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: Paint overspary |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= <joeing701@internet.is>
Hello.
Thank you all who responded to my inquire about the paint over spray.
Ed, your recommendations are all great, but he is still a "buddy" event
though he forgot to think. Could not do that to the guy.:-)
Frank, Yes I have heard about this clay but never imagined it could work
on my plane. I think I will look more into that solution.
Larry McFarland, I did not want to polish or sand the thin surface too
much, unless I absolutely have too. Also too much work.
Rich, I do not dare use too abrasive thinner on the paint. I used the
White Spirit which did not do anything.
The large surfaces would take too long to work this way, and I would
never trust the "buddy" to touch my plane, ever. He has done enough.
I will try the clay method as suggested by Frank and will let you all
know, in case you have a "buddy" like I have, in your hangar.
Thank you again,
Regards,
Johann G.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Wheel Pants |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
Yes...I LIKE the looks of those fairings. I was never crazy about the old
ones.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Aircraft at Lockhaven |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <zman601xl@verizon.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: WAYNE BEATTIE <waynebeattie@optonline.net>
Hi Zman
So far I have gotten no commitments besides Jeff who says he will likely be
driving in.
I plan on arriving on Wednesday and staying through Saturday camping with my
airplane.
We had 7 Zodiacs last year. It would be nice to see at least that many this
year. I still think I will try to get a sew parking spots allocated to
Zeniths, but I don't think I can hold them if no one indicates they will be
flying in besides me. Last year almost every parking spot on the fly-in side
of the field was taken, so I couldn't plan on holding the spots if no one
comes by Thursday.
I look forward to seeing anyone that might fly/drive in. It is a really fun
event even if your airplane isn't cub yellow.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:24 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <zman601xl@verizon.net>
>
> Awhile back there was some talk asking if anyone was going to the get
> together at Lockhaven,Pa.I haven't heard any more about it.Anyone going?
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>Wayne,
Thanks for the reply.I live in Niagara Falls,Ny.It would be about a 4 hr drive
and well worth it if there were some 601s at Lockhaven.Would be good to compare
notes.
Do Not Archive
Bob
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plastic fuel tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Zed,
blow molding is a process not suitable for a homebuilder. You will need a
blow molding machine consisting of an extruder and a proper die arrangement.
The extruder melts and conveys the plastic resin through a ring die, thus
creating a hose. This hose is then pinchedat both end by the two halves of
the mold. Air is blown into the hose, expanding the still molten plastic
resin into the mold.
The machine is a serious piece of equipment. In addition, you will need the
mold, which is also very expensive.
To top that, a fuel tank is a multi-layer product. The wall of the tank
consists of multiple layers of plastic. Each of the layer has a certain
funtion such as mechanical support, electro-static discharge, fuel barrier,
etc.
Due to the cost of the machine you will need to produce at least 20 to 30
tanks per hour in order to have a feasible business case.
Rotor-molding is probably a more suitable procedure for the homebuilder
industry. This process allows production of small lots of tanks.
Happy building
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:44 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> Dave!!
>
> Great question....I have also wondered. Inquiring minds, etc
>
> The firms that make containers such as you mention are many....problem is,
how does one assault the problem.
>
> Some years ago I observed a rather large plant in Lincoln, Nebraska, that
made all sorts of "plastic" tanks for farm & ranch use, chemical containers,
barrels for acids, and so forth. This isn't the only manufacturer, but your
post jogged my memory. Must be dozens of places doing custom work for all
sorts of applications.
>
> Surely there is a Lister familiar with the process and materials.
>
> In the case of the 701, a tank of the approximate same dimensions, even if
it only held nine gallons, might be nearly a stock item at one of these
firms. Since it would be molded it would likely have rounded corners, and
possibly the wall thickness might be optional.
>
> Lots of the larger lawnmowers use non-metalic fuel tanks, likewise
construction machinery, welders, pumps, and somebody is making these tanks
for the machinery manufacturer.
>
> Not sure what 'blow molding' involves, but it can't be rocket
science.....the mold itself might be the determining factor as to cheap
tanks.
>
> Somebody jump on this one......or start selling tanks. Another franchise
opportunity. You want cheese wit dat?
>
> I'll be out a few days, can you come by and mow my yard? Feed the hangar
cat while you're there.
>
> do not archive
>
> Regards,
>
> Zed
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
All-
Seems Sport Aviation is interested in seeing a rough draft of an article several
listers (Offline) suggested I write.
I've maintained (To my offlist friends) that building is as much psychological
as mechanical, and that we all depend on our builder's list as a crutch to
get us through hard times. Take a look through the latest posts if you don't
accept my premise. We ALL do it, but the protocol and benefits haven't yet been
brought to light for all the budding builders out there. I can personally say
that if not for the moral support of my list friends over the years, you'd be
drinking beer out of my stabilizer!
Bottom line is, I'll need 25 answers to a standardized questionnaire for anything
to be statistically significant. Problem is, I don't know all the significant
questions to put on the questionnaire, and I don't have 25 respondents.
Considering post input from people who have built aircraft other than Zenith,
I think the way we all react is universal rather than type specific. That's
probably why SA is interested.
Contact me off-list if you're interested in putting together the questionnaire
or completing one.
Good building.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Export to canada |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I transported my airplane in a 24 foot cargo trailer. I had to take
the main wheels and axles off and attach a couple of tool box wheels
mounted to angle iron on the inside of the main gear springs in order
to fit between the wheel wells of the trailer. I don't know where you
could rent one of these trailers but you could probably buy one and
then sell it after the move and get most of your money back. I paid
$4,500 for mine new. If you know someone in the landscaping business
you might be able to make some kind of deal, they often have this
type of trailer to haul their equipment around in. You might also
rent a large U-haul truck for a one way trip and it would cost you
about a dollar a mile.
On Jun 21, 2006, at 6:00 AM, Dave wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:16 PM
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>
>> Just put it on a flatbed and haul it...As long as its strapped
>> down its
>> just fine.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>
> Thought of that, can't rent a flatbed at all. I even asked at a
> used dealer about "buying" and returning it after when he wouldn't
> rent. He figured he could do that, it would only lose me about
> $3000 plus taxes (15%) on an $18000 truck. I'm pretty sure I will
> eventually find a way this could've been done. But so far the only
> way that plane could have got here at any reasonable price would
> have been to fly it. I simply don't have the experience to fly it
> here, through foriegn controlled airspace, and the owner couldn't.
> Somebody would have but I didn't meet him. I bought a Kitfox
> locally. When I have some experience travelling, these types of
> trips should be easy.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: More On Gas Cap |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynn dingfelder" <ding@tbscc.com>
Michael,
What I did was to recess the welded on collar further by
bending the surrounding tank inward a bit, more on the highest side to
achieve alignment. It may sound crude, but that grade of aluminum is very
malleable, and cracking is not a problem. This is the only way I could see
to gain near enough drop for the filler ring to meet the skin. Shimming
under the skin would create a huge distortion in the skin around the filler,
and I don't think it could even be done.
Lynn
Corry, PA
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| Subject: | 701 or 801 door latches |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
Has anyone used or designed a better latch (more positive locking) to
support the doors against the wing when held open? I know about
using a small bolt to squeeze the nylon latch from the kit (doesn't
always work,) as well as Vince Butner's mod to support the doors with
gas operated struts (taken from a small Ford hatchback, I think. -
too heavy and they get in the way sometimes)
I am just looking for something simple and light that will positively
prevent them from falling at an inopportune time.
TIA,
Gary L.
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| Subject: | good luck in you choice |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Big Gee <taffy0687@yahoo.com>
Larry-- enjoyed chatting--- feel free to drop a line anytime.
Best of luck in your choice--- I sold my scratch built 701 so as to scratch.
build the 601XL, that shows how much I like this plane.
Fritz-- Corvair--plans only 90/90
Larry Winger <larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Winger"
Fritz,
In looking at the Zenith DVD, it sure looked like Chris was fairly tall.
That's probably good news for guys like me.
My great hope is that I'll fit under the bubble canopy just fine. If not, I
may be contacting you for more info on your modification.
Thanks,
Larry
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Bill, I would be happy to assist you by answering the 25 questions, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Engineering or Voodoo? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Listers - need some help again - on the Landing Lights.
The acrylic shield is approx. 280mm wide. The opening is 235mm wide.
The guide says slide it toward the rib and then slide it back toward
the riblet. I'm 95% sure that it is not physically possible to do
with the lens unit installed.
Do I not understand physics or do I lack Voodoo powers?
Also, related question - the shield is not quite flush with the nose
curve. Any reason I can't heat it a bit to make it fit?
Please inform...
Thanks,
Michael Valentine
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| Subject: | Anyone with a Zenith for a possible trade?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
Just by chance anyone out there has a Zenith project that might consider a trade?
I have a BD4 (4 passenger 180mph cruise) project that I have been working on slowly
over the years that I would use for this trade. The fuselage is on gear and
mostly done, it just needs instruments and a engine. The original wing kit
has been prosealed and ready to assemble. The vertical, rudder, stabilator is
complete. I have pictures available for interested parties.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
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| Subject: | Re: Airplanes in trailers . . . did I miss something |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
A 60 mph airplane (most WWI replicas) & a 35 kts. wind, an event 150
airmiles away, headwind either getting there or coming home. Vot ya never
"flew" Champ before ?. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:31 PM
important?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>
> I can't help but wondering why anyone would take a perfectly good cross
> country airplane and put in a trailer to deliver it some distance away.
>
> Why not fly it there?
>
> Apparently there are good reasons not to fly the plane. There seem to be
> lots of people and lots of different planes going through this experience.
>
> Still, I have to wonder. If someone wants a plane but is unwilling to fly
> it home then what, exactly, do they plane to do with the plane when they
> get it there?
>
> Paul
> XL Fuselage
> do not archive
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Reality check complete |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Winger" <larrywinger@gmail.com>
Wow. What a great list you have! Since posting my initial request for help
on Monday, I have received 9 posts on the list and at least as many direct
to my email address. With the help of the group I was able to accomplish my
first essential goal.
I am the 6'6" pre-builder in the LA area who needed to sit in a 601XL to see
if I fit. Three different people pointed me to LA Sport Planes and that got
me to Jon Thornburgh who is not only a CFI for Light Sport Aircraft but also
an Examiner. Great guy.
To make a long story short, I not only got to sit in the plane, but logged
nearly an hour flying local around the South Bay area of LA -- soaking in
the incredible views through the bubble canopy. What a difference from my
Cessna training experiences. The real treat was that this plane is N2601,
the only IFR-equipped SLSA in the nation according to Jon. I don't have to
tell you about the handling characteristics, but suffice it to say I had
great fun.
For the record, the headroom was simply not even an issue. I had at least
two inches to spare above my headset. The depth of the instrument panel was
also not an issue, as my knees never made contact. The only compromise was
the angle of my legs when on the rudders. I could use another inch or two
of extension. A call to the factory this afternoon has me convinced that I
can fix that as well, either through rudder placement on the floor *or* the
angle of the rudder supports coming up from the floor (non-technical
language from one who has not yet seen the plans). I was able to fly it
without modifications. Give me two additional inches (or more!) and I'm
really set.
Until I see the plans for the forward position of the rudders, I won't know
if I was flying the standard or forward rudder configuration. From the
firewall back to the center of the horizontal tube on the floor, the
distance was approximately 8.75 inches. If that is the standard position,
I'm in great shape. If it is the forward position, it just means I'll have
to work with the factory (and some of you) to get creative.
Again, my thanks to everyone who responded to my request for help. I don't
think it will be long before you'll see me as a regular poster with plans in
hand.
Larry Winger
N53VP reserved
William Wynne manual in hand
Nearly ready to write my check for plans
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