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1. 01:54 AM - Re: Deep trouble!! (Charles D)
2. 03:07 AM - Re: Questionaire (David Wright)
3. 04:21 AM - Re: 701 elevator trim question (Debo Cox)
4. 07:20 AM - Paint Overspray cleaned. (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?=)
5. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Questionaire (Bill Naumuk)
6. 08:44 AM - Fw: Stratus engine mount (Ron Lee)
7. 09:09 AM - Re: Cheap metal bending brake that works (Randy Bryant)
8. 09:26 AM - Re: 701 elevator trim question (Dirk Slabbert)
9. 09:53 AM - Re: 701 elevator trim question (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
10. 10:56 AM - To All Scratch Builders (Dave Ruddiman)
11. 11:06 AM - I'm back! (Steve Freeman)
12. 11:07 AM - Re: To All Scratch Builders (LHusky@aol.com)
13. 11:48 AM - Re: I'm back! (Carlos Sa)
14. 12:12 PM - Re: To All Scratch Builders (Dave Ruddiman)
15. 02:58 PM - Re: Paint Overspray cleaned. (NYTerminat@aol.com)
16. 06:05 PM - 701 Rear Channel Placement (Charles Kyle)
17. 06:06 PM - Sentimental Journey (WAYNE BEATTIE)
18. 07:14 PM - Re: Stratus engine mount (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
19. 08:28 PM - Re: 701 Rear Channel Placement (NYTerminat@aol.com)
20. 08:34 PM - Re: Stratus engine mount (George Swinford)
21. 08:39 PM - Re: To All Scratch Builders (LHusky@aol.com)
22. 09:52 PM - Re: Paint Overspray cleaned (Gary Gower)
23. 10:42 PM - Re: 701 Rear Channel Placement (Roger Venables)
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| Subject: | Re: Deep trouble!! |
Just beware of A.I.D.S. - Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome :-)
Cheers, Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Questionaire |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Wright <davidhwright@mac.com>
Bill
SETTING THE STAGE
1. Yes I was aware of the Zenith list, it was one of the reasons I
chose to build the 601XL
2. I did not need to post questions, the list is so well established
that a search of the archive usually reveals that someone has asked
the question before.
3. The previously posted responses gave comprehensive advice - not
always the same answer though - this gave a reassuring balance with
good point and bad points - which are totally lacking in a any
manufacturers web site or advertising.
4. not applicable
5. Nearest builder of 601xl lives around 20 minutes from my home
6. As 5,
7. There is only one local builder - and I did not want to keep
bothering him with trivial 'newbie' questions. The list has a wealth
of practical information available that you can research as and when
you need it. It is much better to learn from someone else's mistakes!!!
8. As 7.
DAY TO DAY
1. I haven't posted on the list, I have been a member since November
2005, ordered my tail kit in early January 2006 and took delivery 31
January. I don't feel as yet I have the necessary knowledge or
expertise to post advice to others and as I said - most of the
questions I have already have an answer in the archives.
2. I read all posts - majority of technical questions are excellent -
some of the opinions are how can I say it - opinionated.
3. Majority of advice re techniques are obtained from list.
Technical queries have been answered by the Czech Aircraft Works - I
would like in on record that Marketa at the CZAW is absolutely
excellent, she answers e-mails by return and chases up the technical
answers and sends out parts very quickly.
4. Technical initially - I check e-mails everyday - so I suppose
there is a social aspect as well.
CRUNCH TIME
I haven't had too many major screw ups, although a couple of holes
drilled in the wrong place caused me some pain. Again advice on
archive about filling holes with rivets was reassuring.
I now stop when I get stuck instead of rushing on and guessing, the
advice on the list - the plans are always right is invaluable. Even
when you are convinced they are wrong don't disregard them. My
problems usually occurs when I am following the US plans and I forget
to check whether the Czech plans update it. (There are supplementary
Czech plans to every US plan)
I have no doubt that I will start posting on the list shortly - As a
direct result of the list I bought the excellent Homebuilt Help DVD
and because of that I felt brave enough to start scratch building the
wings.
Again from the list I have sourced plans to build a 4' bending brake
and from the CH601.org web site I have sourced plans and built the
bench mounted riveting tool. The list has pointed me at other
builders web sites and I have learned a lot from the information there.
Problems from the kit manufacturer - the main issue is the two sets
of plans, it is easy to follow he US measurements and then turn the
page over and find they have been amended by the CZAW. One issue I
had was the wiring for the trim tab in the elevator. The plans
showed a grommet leading the wire out of the front edge, then the
plans called for a cross shaped hole to be cut in the inboard rib. I
could not understand this, eventually I received a reply from Milan
at the CZAW who said it was for a BNC connector to act as a quick
disconnect. Not being an electrician I did not know about the
technicalities of a BNC connector and when I eventually I spoke to a
relative who is an avionics engineer - he pointed out that it was
only a two wire connector and not a five wire connector which was
what I needed. I recontacted Marketa at the CZAW and she e-mailed
back to say there had been a misunderstanding and Milan should have
said I required a Canon connector. She has now posted the connector
out to me as it was not included in the kit they sent out to me. In
hindsight I could have posted this on the list - but the drawing the
problem arose on was the CZAW one and not the US version. This has
been annoying as it held me up for several weeks.
BOTTOM LINE
1. Yes
2. The project has never been hopeless - I have been hopeless / inept
at times, but the list demonstrates that everyone goes through the
same problems
3. Yes without any reservation - it has proved invaluable to me as I
move on from being a newbie
Dave
601XL - scratchbuild - wings
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On 24 Jun 2006, at 21:37, Bill Naumuk wrote:
> SETTING THE STAGE
>
> 1. Were you aware of, and did you join a builder's list before
> you made a final kit choice?
> 2. Did you post questions on the list re: your reservations
> concerning a potential choice?
> 3. Did the responses (Assuming any) have a significant effect
> on your final choice?
> 4. If "No" to the above, how long had you been building before
> joining?
> 5. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local
> builder of your kit brand and model?
> 6. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local
> builder of your kit brand?
> 7. Was the lack of local builders the primary reason you
> joined a list?
> 8. If "No" to any of the above, why did you join a list?
>
> DAY TO DAY
>
> 1. How many days a week do you post to your list? (Do you feel
> more of a need to be an active
> contributor vs a passive member)
> 2. Are most of your posts re: specific technical questions/
> answers, or are they more socially
> and opinion oriented?
> 3. What is the percentage of answers/leads to technical
> questions you get from your list as
> opposed to other sources?
> 4. Do you find your participation in a list more satisfying
> from a technical or social aspect?
>
> CRUNCH TIME (This is the "Essay test" portion)
>
> We've all been faced with major setbacks. No matter the
> circumstances, the first
> question is "How did that happen?" Answer as many times as you
> like. Suggestions for
> content are:
> Did you know before you posted that you were the cause of the
> problem? If you knew
> you screwed up, did you post to "Admit your guilt and confess
> your sins", getting the reinforcement
> from other listers like, "Yeah, join the club", enabling you
> to go on? Were you angry at yourself
> or depressed? How long does it take you to get over the anger/
> depression/indecision and back to work?
> Did you post to determine where you screwed up? Was the list
> instrumental in finding
> the reason?
> How do you feel about problems attributable to the kit
> manufacturer?
>
> BOTTOM LINE
>
> 1. Has membership to the list been worthwhile?
> 2. Has membership to the list provided enough support to
> salvage a seemingly hopeless project?
> 3. Would you recommend membership in a list to a newbie?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wright"
> <davidhwright@mac.com>
> To: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Questionaire
>
>
>> Bill
>>
>> Could you send me the questionaire and I will fill it out
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 24 Jun 2006, at 19:14, Bill Naumuk wrote:
>>
>>> Dave-
>>> Did you send a completed questionnaire? If you did, please re-
>>> send it, because I don't have it in my "Responses" file.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Bill
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wright"
>>> <davidhwright@mac.com>
>>> To: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:11 PM
>>> Subject: Questionaire
>>>
>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> You can put me down as an international response
>>>> I live in the UK - at Washington - where George Washington's
>>>> folks came from
>>>> I built the tail of my 601XL from a kit from the CZAW - then
>>>> became brave and have started to scratchbuild the wings
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 elevator trim question |
Hi Brian,
As another fairly new guy, I'll tell you what I've been able to figure out about
how to proceed, and you other guys can correct me if I'm wrong. Bear in mind
that I'm scratchbuilding too. I'm not sure if it makes any difference, but
worth mentioning.
I think a lot of people see the photo guides as an assembly manual, and I actually
think Zenith has gravitated to "almost" making it one over the years. That
"almost" is a big one though. The photo guides are intended as guides only
- to generally show you how to proceed. There are a lot of times that I do things
in a different order, because the photo guide way seems funky to me. The real
assembly manual is your drawings. They always trump the photo guides if there's
a discrepancy. You probably already know this, but it might help someone
else, so I'm including it.
Here's what I do that seems to work well for me. I work on one assembly at a
time until it's as complete as I can get it without working on something else.
If your elevator is as complete as you can get it, then I'd go ahead with the
trim system. If you think about it, that's really the logical way to proceed.
It's kinda the "logical next step" if you know what I mean.
Don't get too frustrated. I've become more confident as I'm building, and am
not so worried about screwing something up now. I know where to get more metal,
and if I can't make it myself, I can always get another one from Zenith.
Hope this helps a little.
Debo Cox
XL/Corvair
WOW (Working on Wings)
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| Subject: | Paint Overspray cleaned. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= <joeing701@internet.is>
Hello list members.
I am happy again. The cleaning of the paint over spray was a success
using the "over spray clay" method, as suggested by Frank Hinde and Tom L.
This stuff is great. Not much rubbing is required, just a few strokes
across the surface with some light soapy liquid, and all the over spray
is gone.You can feel when you start the rub, where the surface is rough
at first, and then smooth as a babys a.....
If you ever need to remove this kind of "buddy" mistake, this is the
method.
Just wanted you all to know.
Thank you,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | Re: Questionaire |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Thanks, Dave. I agree, 2 thumbs up for the HH DVD.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:59 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Wright <davidhwright@mac.com>
>
> Bill
>
> SETTING THE STAGE
>
> 1. Yes I was aware of the Zenith list, it was one of the reasons I
> chose to build the 601XL
> 2. I did not need to post questions, the list is so well established
> that a search of the archive usually reveals that someone has asked
> the question before.
> 3. The previously posted responses gave comprehensive advice - not
> always the same answer though - this gave a reassuring balance with
> good point and bad points - which are totally lacking in a any
> manufacturers web site or advertising.
> 4. not applicable
> 5. Nearest builder of 601xl lives around 20 minutes from my home
> 6. As 5,
> 7. There is only one local builder - and I did not want to keep
> bothering him with trivial 'newbie' questions. The list has a wealth
> of practical information available that you can research as and when
> you need it. It is much better to learn from someone else's mistakes!!!
> 8. As 7.
>
> DAY TO DAY
> 1. I haven't posted on the list, I have been a member since November
> 2005, ordered my tail kit in early January 2006 and took delivery 31
> January. I don't feel as yet I have the necessary knowledge or
> expertise to post advice to others and as I said - most of the
> questions I have already have an answer in the archives.
> 2. I read all posts - majority of technical questions are excellent -
> some of the opinions are how can I say it - opinionated.
> 3. Majority of advice re techniques are obtained from list.
> Technical queries have been answered by the Czech Aircraft Works - I
> would like in on record that Marketa at the CZAW is absolutely
> excellent, she answers e-mails by return and chases up the technical
> answers and sends out parts very quickly.
> 4. Technical initially - I check e-mails everyday - so I suppose
> there is a social aspect as well.
>
> CRUNCH TIME
> I haven't had too many major screw ups, although a couple of holes
> drilled in the wrong place caused me some pain. Again advice on
> archive about filling holes with rivets was reassuring.
> I now stop when I get stuck instead of rushing on and guessing, the
> advice on the list - the plans are always right is invaluable. Even
> when you are convinced they are wrong don't disregard them. My
> problems usually occurs when I am following the US plans and I forget
> to check whether the Czech plans update it. (There are supplementary
> Czech plans to every US plan)
> I have no doubt that I will start posting on the list shortly - As a
> direct result of the list I bought the excellent Homebuilt Help DVD
> and because of that I felt brave enough to start scratch building the
> wings.
> Again from the list I have sourced plans to build a 4' bending brake
> and from the CH601.org web site I have sourced plans and built the
> bench mounted riveting tool. The list has pointed me at other
> builders web sites and I have learned a lot from the information there.
> Problems from the kit manufacturer - the main issue is the two sets
> of plans, it is easy to follow he US measurements and then turn the
> page over and find they have been amended by the CZAW. One issue I
> had was the wiring for the trim tab in the elevator. The plans
> showed a grommet leading the wire out of the front edge, then the
> plans called for a cross shaped hole to be cut in the inboard rib. I
> could not understand this, eventually I received a reply from Milan
> at the CZAW who said it was for a BNC connector to act as a quick
> disconnect. Not being an electrician I did not know about the
> technicalities of a BNC connector and when I eventually I spoke to a
> relative who is an avionics engineer - he pointed out that it was
> only a two wire connector and not a five wire connector which was
> what I needed. I recontacted Marketa at the CZAW and she e-mailed
> back to say there had been a misunderstanding and Milan should have
> said I required a Canon connector. She has now posted the connector
> out to me as it was not included in the kit they sent out to me. In
> hindsight I could have posted this on the list - but the drawing the
> problem arose on was the CZAW one and not the US version. This has
> been annoying as it held me up for several weeks.
>
> BOTTOM LINE
> 1. Yes
> 2. The project has never been hopeless - I have been hopeless / inept
> at times, but the list demonstrates that everyone goes through the
> same problems
> 3. Yes without any reservation - it has proved invaluable to me as I
> move on from being a newbie
>
> Dave
> 601XL - scratchbuild - wings
> (Do not archive)
>
> On 24 Jun 2006, at 21:37, Bill Naumuk wrote:
>
>> SETTING THE STAGE
>>
>> 1. Were you aware of, and did you join a builder's list before
>> you made a final kit choice?
>> 2. Did you post questions on the list re: your reservations
>> concerning a potential choice?
>> 3. Did the responses (Assuming any) have a significant effect
>> on your final choice?
>> 4. If "No" to the above, how long had you been building before
>> joining?
>> 5. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local
>> builder of your kit brand and model?
>> 6. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local
>> builder of your kit brand?
>> 7. Was the lack of local builders the primary reason you
>> joined a list?
>> 8. If "No" to any of the above, why did you join a list?
>>
>> DAY TO DAY
>>
>> 1. How many days a week do you post to your list? (Do you feel
>> more of a need to be an active
>> contributor vs a passive member)
>> 2. Are most of your posts re: specific technical questions/
>> answers, or are they more socially
>> and opinion oriented?
>> 3. What is the percentage of answers/leads to technical
>> questions you get from your list as
>> opposed to other sources?
>> 4. Do you find your participation in a list more satisfying
>> from a technical or social aspect?
>>
>> CRUNCH TIME (This is the "Essay test" portion)
>>
>> We've all been faced with major setbacks. No matter the
>> circumstances, the first
>> question is "How did that happen?" Answer as many times as you
>> like. Suggestions for
>> content are:
>> Did you know before you posted that you were the cause of the
>> problem? If you knew
>> you screwed up, did you post to "Admit your guilt and confess
>> your sins", getting the reinforcement
>> from other listers like, "Yeah, join the club", enabling you
>> to go on? Were you angry at yourself
>> or depressed? How long does it take you to get over the anger/
>> depression/indecision and back to work?
>> Did you post to determine where you screwed up? Was the list
>> instrumental in finding
>> the reason?
>> How do you feel about problems attributable to the kit
>> manufacturer?
>>
>> BOTTOM LINE
>>
>> 1. Has membership to the list been worthwhile?
>> 2. Has membership to the list provided enough support to
>> salvage a seemingly hopeless project?
>> 3. Would you recommend membership in a list to a newbie?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wright"
>> <davidhwright@mac.com>
>> To: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Questionaire
>>
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Could you send me the questionaire and I will fill it out
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Jun 2006, at 19:14, Bill Naumuk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave-
>>>> Did you send a completed questionnaire? If you did, please re-
>>>> send it, because I don't have it in my "Responses" file.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Bill
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wright"
>>>> <davidhwright@mac.com>
>>>> To: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Questionaire
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>> You can put me down as an international response
>>>>> I live in the UK - at Washington - where George Washington's
>>>>> folks came from
>>>>> I built the tail of my 601XL from a kit from the CZAW - then
>>>>> became brave and have started to scratchbuild the wings
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Stratus engine mount |
I don't like to read this kind of stuff about Zenith. I'm sure you folks
don't either.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:31 PM
I'm getting some good responses to my question/complaint about the
engine mount. Thanks to everyone who has responded so far.
Don, the misaligned hole in my mount is about 5/16 out, too much to
correct by enlarging the hole. Frank, I agree that Zenith should make
it right, but I don't expect they will, based on previous experience. I
can get it to a certified aircraft welder who has built a steel tube
airframe of his own, and so knows the problems. Near his shop there is
a place which will bead blast it clean and ready to prime after welding.
I can get it done and back on the airplane in a few days, and move on.
I'm guessing that you won't have such problems with Van.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Cheap metal bending brake that works |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Hi All:
Dave and Jan Clay kindly allowed me to post these plans on my website for
download. If you still haven't got a set of them, you can download them
from my site. This will help keep the emails and attachments to a minimum
and maybe help Dave out a bit. Go to my site at: http://www.n344rb.com and
they will be listed on the main page...
Thanks!
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:44 AM
> If anyone needs an inexpensive bending brake that actually works go to the
> CH601XL group on yahoo. I've posted plans for an all metal 8 foot brake
> that
> requires no welding. It cost under $75 to build. And for all you critics
> that say it can't work...I bent my flap and aileron skins and long "L"
> angles and they all came out great. It does work and that's a fact.
>
>
> I can also email the plans complete with color photos in Adobe PDF format.
> The file is about 2.5 MB so make sure your email server will allow you to
> receive files that large.
>
>
> Dave
> Temple, TX
> scratch building 601XL
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: 701 elevator trim question |
Brian, leave your elevator shut, this can easily be done later.
You will need to cut a small square hole in the top skin, the rod goes
throught the bottom skin, to form a straight line to the tab.
You may need to take out some solid rivets on the trailing edge only,
the width of the tab hinge, no big deal.
Can send you a pic if you want.
Regards,
Dirk.
( Daul stick 701, fitting engine, wiring, Start up in a week or 2)
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian kissinger
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:17 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 elevator trim question
Greetings all:
New to the list...1st time posting. I just riveted shut my elevator
tonight (Zenith 701)and started looking through the photo assemblies and
drawings for the next steps. I don't see anywhere how to install the
elevator trim system other than in drawing 7-ETO-1. When are we
supposed to do this? Frustration sets in :)
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Cheers,
Brian "Brain" Kissinger
www.brainsflight.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 elevator trim question |
In a message dated 6/25/2006 11:27:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net writes:
You will need to cut a small square hole in the top skin, the rod goes
throught the bottom skin, to form a straight line to the tab.
Looking at 7-H-1, the 75 by 75 hole is in the bottom skin. Perhaps my print
is an earlier version?
Jerry
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| Subject: | To All Scratch Builders |
I haven't been a member of this list for very long, and since I'm
building an 801 I think I have it a lot easier than you guys do. I read
everything on the list. There is a lot that I can use from all the
information that is provided by everyone. I have to say you guys are an
amazing bunch of builders. It is pretty incredible to be able to take a
few sheets of metal and make a plane out of it. All I have to do is take
a few pieces out of the box and figure out what goes where, drill a few
hundred holes and rivet it together. You guys are something else. Hope
to see a lot of you at Arlington.
Dave in Salem
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Hi everyone,
Well....After a financial set back that neccesitated my selling my almost complete
(and now flying in Australia) 601 HDS I am getting ready to pull the trigger
and start building again.
This time I am going for the 601XL and am very much looking forward to getting
back into the builders seat. Once I get going I will post a new and imprioved
web site to catalog my progress and offer insight and assistance to other builders.
I missed you guys, man!
Steve (n902al) Freeman
Now linving in beautiful Oceanside, California. I better build it IFR. Ha ha.
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| Subject: | Re: To All Scratch Builders |
When I get my scratch built 601XL done next spring, I will fly it from
Lakeview, OR to Salem and let you see some handy work in action! I am hoping
to
have a fuse that I can sit in by the end of July, so I can make airplane
noises. I may make it to Arlington. I work in Law Enforcement and it is hard
to
get any holidays off.
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Steve, it is certainly nice to have you back!
Welcome back aboard!
I look forward to your new web site, I'm sure it's going to be another great tool
in the 601 builders arsenal.
Regards
Carlos
(still building from plans, and am pretty sure you will be flying before I do...
;-) )
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----- Original Message ----
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:40:48 PM
Hi everyone,
Well....After a financial set back that neccesitated my selling my almost complete
(and now flying in Australia) 601 HDS I am getting ready to pull the trigger
and start building again.
This time I am going for the 601XL and am very much looking forward to getting
back into the builders seat. Once I get going I will post a new and imprioved
web site to catalog my progress and offer insight and assistance to other builders.
I missed you guys, man!
Steve (n902al) Freeman
Now linving in beautiful Oceanside, California. I better build it IFR. Ha ha.
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| Subject: | Re: To All Scratch Builders |
Larry,
If you can make to Arlington, let me know. Is it pretty hot in Lakeview
today? It's getting that way here. Had to turn the air-conditioning on
in the shop today, for the first time this year.
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: LHusky@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: To All Scratch Builders
When I get my scratch built 601XL done next spring, I will fly it from
Lakeview, OR to Salem and let you see some handy work in action! I am
hoping to have a fuse that I can sit in by the end of July, so I can
make airplane noises. I may make it to Arlington. I work in Law
Enforcement and it is hard to get any holidays off.
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Overspray cleaned. |
Johann
I'm glad that you were able to get the over spray off!!!!!
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/ 912s 55hrs
In a message dated 6/25/2006 10:21:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
joeing701@internet.is writes:
I am happy again. The cleaning of the paint over spray was a success
using the "over spray clay" method, as suggested by Frank Hinde and Tom L.
This stuff is great. Not much rubbing is required, just a few strokes
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| Subject: | 701 Rear Channel Placement |
Hello,
I am trying to locate the rear channels in my 701 wing skeletons. I
built a template which seems to measure correctly, but it seems to have
placed the rear channels about 3-5 mm too far toward the trailing edge.
When I place the flaperon brackets, they do not correctly align with the
top or end of the rib. Also, the forward edge of the flaperon bracket
is not parallel to the rear channel, as the drawings suggest it should
be. It appears that the template positions the rear channel too far
back, even though it seems to measure correctly.
If I move the rear channels forward about 4-5 mm and clamp them, the
flaperon brackets fit fine and are positioned properly with respect to
the rear channel. Unfortunately, I have already drilled the holes for
the rear channel to rear rib connection. It seems that I can either use
the flaperon brackets as a guide to shift the channel forward, making
new rear channels and attachment brackets, or I can use the current
positioning and "file to fit" on the flaperon brackets, which really has
no appeal. I am also concerned about rivet edge distances if I modify
the flaperon brackets.
Any suggestions or insights are welcome. I was quite careful with
template construction and positioning and am at a loss as to what to do
next.
Thanks in advance,
Chuck Kyle
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| Subject: | Sentimental Journey |
Just returned to Connecticut from Sentimental Journey, without airplane. It is
sitting back on the Lock Haven ramp patiently waiting for me to go back and retrieve
it. A 6 hour car drive vs a 2.5 hour flight. Driving sucks.
Aside from some NASTY thunderstorms Wednesday night and the dismal rain on Friday,
the event wasn't so bad. Had a great flight down on Wednesday with unlimited
visibility and minimal headwind. Did some fun flying that evening around the
farm valleys in the area. Thursday was a bit warm for my liking, but the Cubs
had a good time terrorizing the area. Friday was quite wet, not helping the
mud situation left over from the Wednesday night hosing. Saturday was an absolute
perfect day after the fog burned off in the morning. It was again perfect
flying weather in the local area. Did some more flying then too.
The weather all around Lock Haven and the very real threat that once you flew in,
you would not get out for a while kept the attendance down somewhat. Not a
many airplanes as last year.
We did have two Zeniths fly in to make the Zenith fly in "official". Mine, of
course and Jeff dropped by on Wednesday in a rented XL. And we did get to park
together, arriving within 5 minutes from 200 miles away in different directions.
We would not have been able to plan it better if we had planned it.
I'm hoping to get the airplane put in the hangar soon. I'm #8 on the list. I won't
be able to get back to get the airplane for another week, and would like to
get it under cover. And at $15.00 per day, it is cheap peace of mind .It is
$5.00 per day at the tiedown. That is almost cheaper than I am paying at my home
field.
Anyway, I had a good time in spite of the weather. I'm looking forward to a leisurely
trip after another long drive in the Hertzmobile.
Hope to see you guys next year, god willing and creek don't rise. (actually, the
dike they built around the town after the last flood is quite substantial)
Wayne
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| Subject: | Stratus engine mount |
Funny you should say that George...But I DID have exactly that problem
with Van's...It was my error. The kit is so good that evry hole lines
up...The problem is this can lead you to a false sense of security. I
Found they pilot drill the firwall for the mount and of course as
everything always lines up I just opened them out to full size.
Half a bolt width out on each side....ARRRRRGH!
Had to drill out the rivets holding the two lower weldments in place and
weld a pice of 4130 over the hole and redill to MATCH the mount.
Can we say Dumba**?...yes we can!
Sounds like you have an inexpensive solution to your problem though.
Cheers
Frank
Do not archive
HDS sold
Rv7a...STILL painting!
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Swinford
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:31 PM
I'm getting some good responses to my question/complaint about the
engine mount. Thanks to everyone who has responded so far.
Don, the misaligned hole in my mount is about 5/16 out, too much to
correct by enlarging the hole. Frank, I agree that Zenith should make
it right, but I don't expect they will, based on previous experience. I
can get it to a certified aircraft welder who has built a steel tube
airframe of his own, and so knows the problems. Near his shop there is
a place which will bead blast it clean and ready to prime after welding.
I can get it done and back on the airplane in a few days, and move on.
I'm guessing that you won't have such problems with Van.
George
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Rear Channel Placement |
Hi Chuck
In a message dated 6/25/2006 9:07:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Phoenix3@cox.net writes:
Hello,
I am trying to locate the rear channels in my 701 wing skeletons. I built
a
template which seems to measure correctly, but it seems to have placed the
rear channels about 3-5 mm too far toward the trailing edge. When I place
the
flaperon brackets, they do not correctly align with the top or end of the
rib. Also, the forward edge of the flaperon bracket is not parallel to the
rear channel, as the drawings suggest it should be. It appears that the
template positions the rear channel too far back, even though it seems to m
easure
correctly.
I don't know if you are building from scratch or a kit but make sure if you
have predrilled holes in the wing skin that they will line up with the
channels. You can easily make new "L" brackets (larger if required) that ho
ld the
rear channels and reposition the rear channel to it's correct location. My
flaperon brackets required a little trimming to fit correctly. I would spend
the time and reposition the channel to the correct location.
Bob Spudis
If I move the rear channels forward about 4-5 mm and clamp them, the
flaperon brackets fit fine and are positioned properly with respect to the
rear
channel. Unfortunately, I have already drilled the holes for the rear chan
nel to
rear rib connection. It seems that I can either use the flaperon brackets
as a guide to shift the channel forward, making new rear channels and
attachment brackets, or I can use the current positioning and =9Cfile
to fit=9D on the
flaperon brackets, which really has no appeal. I am also concerned about ri
vet
edge distances if I modify the flaperon brackets.
Any suggestions or insights are welcome. I was quite careful with templat
e
construction and positioning and am at a loss as to what to do next.
Thanks in advance,
Chuck Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus engine mount |
Hi Frank:
Based on the replies that I've had, I believe that even if tube
assemblies are properly jigged up before welding, residual stresses may
make things to move around when the assembly comes out of the jig.
Maybe mine moved around more than most. I'm surprised that you had a
problem, considering Van's reputation. A lesson for us all...
I'm going to ask my welder about all this. He built a Starduster from
plans (then lost his medical). He'll know about distortion and how to
correct it.
George
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----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Stratus engine mount
Funny you should say that George...But I DID have exactly that problem
with Van's...It was my error. The kit is so good that evry hole lines
up...The problem is this can lead you to a false sense of security. I
Found they pilot drill the firwall for the mount and of course as
everything always lines up I just opened them out to full size.
Half a bolt width out on each side....ARRRRRGH!
Had to drill out the rivets holding the two lower weldments in place
and weld a pice of 4130 over the hole and redill to MATCH the mount.
Can we say Dumba**?...yes we can!
Sounds like you have an inexpensive solution to your problem though.
Cheers
Frank
Do not archive
HDS sold
Rv7a...STILL painting!
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Swinford
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:31 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Stratus engine mount
I'm getting some good responses to my question/complaint about the
engine mount. Thanks to everyone who has responded so far.
Don, the misaligned hole in my mount is about 5/16 out, too much to
correct by enlarging the hole. Frank, I agree that Zenith should make
it right, but I don't expect they will, based on previous experience. I
can get it to a certified aircraft welder who has built a steel tube
airframe of his own, and so knows the problems. Near his shop there is
a place which will bead blast it clean and ready to prime after welding.
I can get it done and back on the airplane in a few days, and move on.
I'm guessing that you won't have such problems with Van.
George
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| Subject: | Re: To All Scratch Builders |
I just went to Klamath Falls today to pick up some parts and the clock said
102 degree's. It is 79 right now and I think it is time to go out and fire
up the old rivet gun. I am going to build my firewall tonight. That is the
exciting part for me. I can not belive that I am at this stage already. I
will let you know if I get to go to Arlington.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Overspray cleaned |
Now, talking as a newbie in this matter, because I have never heard before about
that "Clay", I will appreciate some leads to get info in internet.
We have always used 1,500 wet sanding and polish for years to get over spray off
our work..
Glad you got it off, Johan, 1,500 sanding and then polish (once the paint is dry
for weeks) is a hard time but also works great.
By the way, we polished our airplane this Saturday, rained in the night, so the
grass strip was wet. We polished before the Mexico - Argentina soccer game,
then wax it when the game was finished : the plane looks great.
Soccer results saturday Mex 1 Argentina 2.
Thanks a lot in advance.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Jhann Gestur <joeing701@internet.is> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?=
Hello list members.
I am happy again. The cleaning of the paint over spray was a success
using the "over spray clay" method, as suggested by Frank Hinde and Tom L.
This stuff is great. Not much rubbing is required, just a few strokes
across the surface with some light soapy liquid, and all the over spray
is gone.You can feel when you start the rub, where the surface is rough
at first, and then smooth as a babys a.....
If you ever need to remove this kind of "buddy" mistake, this is the
method.
Just wanted you all to know.
Thank you,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | 701 Rear Channel Placement |
Kyle
I had no problem with the template, although I spent a lot of time checking
the measurements on the front of the template
Roger
701 - busy on wings
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Kyle
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:56 PM
Hello,
I am trying to locate the rear channels in my 701 wing skeletons. I built a
template which seems to measure correctly, but it seems to have placed the
rear channels about 3-5 mm too far toward the trailing edge. When I place
the flaperon brackets, they do not correctly align with the top or end of
the rib. Also, the forward edge of the flaperon bracket is not parallel to
the rear channel, as the drawings suggest it should be. It appears that the
template positions the rear channel too far back, even though it seems to
measure correctly.
If I move the rear channels forward about 4-5 mm and clamp them, the
flaperon brackets fit fine and are positioned properly with respect to the
rear channel. Unfortunately, I have already drilled the holes for the rear
channel to rear rib connection. It seems that I can either use the flaperon
brackets as a guide to shift the channel forward, making new rear channels
and attachment brackets, or I can use the current positioning and "file to
fit" on the flaperon brackets, which really has no appeal. I am also
concerned about rivet edge distances if I modify the flaperon brackets.
Any suggestions or insights are welcome. I was quite careful with template
construction and positioning and am at a loss as to what to do next.
Thanks in advance,
Chuck Kyle
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