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1. 12:20 AM - Re: 701 elevator trim question (Dirk Slabbert)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: Paint Overspray cleaned (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?=)
3. 05:36 AM - Thanks (Brian kissinger)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Cheap metal bending brake that works (Schemmel, Grant)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Paint Overspray cleaned. (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Cheap metal bending brake that works (Randy Bryant)
7. 07:34 AM - Re: Paint Overspray cleaned (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 07:46 AM - Re: To All Scratch Builders (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 08:04 AM - Re: Re:BD-4 was Cheap metal bending brake that works (NYTerminat@aol.com)
10. 09:31 AM - Forward tiliting canopy (Thilo Kind)
11. 09:31 AM - Re: MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over $12,000 (Gig Giacona)
12. 09:32 AM - Bungees (Thilo Kind)
13. 10:03 AM - CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident (Jari Kaija)
14. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over $12,000 (jim)
15. 10:59 AM - Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident (John Marzulli)
16. 11:44 AM - Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident (Jari Kaija)
17. 11:44 AM - Re: Forward tiliting canopy (Craig Payne)
18. 12:07 PM - Re: Bungees (Mike Fothergill)
19. 12:15 PM - Re: Bungees (LarryMcFarland)
20. 12:15 PM - Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
21. 12:17 PM - Re: Re:BD-4 was Cheap metal bending brake that works (David Mikesell)
22. 12:35 PM - Re: Forward tiliting canopy (LarryMcFarland)
23. 01:21 PM - Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident (MacDonald Doug)
24. 02:32 PM - Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident (LarryMcFarland)
25. 02:32 PM - Re: MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over $12,000 (Gig Giacona)
26. 02:52 PM - Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident (Jari Kaija)
27. 03:09 PM - Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident (Jari Kaija)
28. 03:29 PM - New Site (kevinbonds@comcast.net)
29. 04:01 PM - Re: CH701 wing strut vs. Savannah accident lexan (Big Gee)
30. 04:51 PM - Re: Bungees (Dave)
31. 06:59 PM - Re: New Site (kevinbonds@comcast.net)
32. 07:40 PM - Fuel Sender Continued (Michael Valentine)
33. 09:03 PM - Re: Fuel Sender Continued (Paul Mulwitz)
34. 09:54 PM - RE : Fuel Sender Continued (Carlos Sa)
35. 10:31 PM - Re: Fuel Sender Continued (Edward Moody II)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 elevator trim question |
Jerry, my drawing # is 7 ETO-1.
'Suppose you could fit it either way, my method of choice would be from
the top, inboard on the pilot side.
Regards,
Dirk.
----- Original Message -----
From: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 elevator trim question
In a message dated 6/25/2006 11:27:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net writes:
You will need to cut a small square hole in the top skin, the rod
goes throught the bottom skin, to form a straight line to the tab.
Looking at 7-H-1, the 75 by 75 hole is in the bottom skin. Perhaps my
print is an earlier version?
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Overspray cleaned |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?= <joeing701@internet.is>
Hello Gary and all,
I found this link from Meguiar Company where you can buy the clay to
remove over spray.
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/megc2000.html
You can even buy the system from the company with the soap and wax.
http://www.performancemotorcare.com/acatalog/Clay_Bars2.html
I used the clay from my painter and am not sure where he bought it, but
this should be the similar product and effect.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Johann G.
Gary Gower wrote:
> Now, talking as a newbie in this matter, because I have never heard
> before about that "Clay", I will appreciate some leads to get info in
> internet.
>
> We have always used 1,500 wet sanding and polish for years to get over
> spray off our work..
>
> Glad you got it off, Johan, 1,500 sanding and then polish (once the
> paint is dry for weeks) is a hard time but also works great.
>
> By the way, we polished our airplane this Saturday, rained in the
> night, so the grass strip was wet. We polished before the Mexico -
> Argentina soccer game, then wax it when the game was finished : the
> plane looks great.
> Soccer results saturday Mex 1 Argentina 2.
>
> Thanks a lot in advance.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
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Thanks everyone for your help with my 701 trim question. I really appreciate your
rapid response! I only wish I found this list earlier. I've been a "Lone
Ranger" builder too long :)
Cheers,
Brian "Brain" Kissinger
www.brainsflight.com
701 kit builder
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| Subject: | RE: Cheap metal bending brake that works |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Schemmel, Grant" <Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com>
Hi Dave,
I would really appreciate it if you could email me a copy of the plans too. Although
I'm flying my 601HDS, I'm also working on a BD-4, so it would come in real
handy about now.
Thanks!
Grant Schemmel
Grant.schemmel@aeroflex.com
CH601HDS/O-200
Time: 08:47:48 AM PST US
If anyone needs an inexpensive bending brake that actually works go to the
CH601XL group on yahoo. I've posted plans for an all metal 8 foot brake that
requires no welding. It cost under $75 to build. And for all you critics
that say it can't work...I bent my flap and aileron skins and long "L"
angles and they all came out great. It does work and that's a fact.
I can also email the plans complete with color photos in Adobe PDF format.
The file is about 2.5 MB so make sure your email server will allow you to
receive files that large.
Dave
Temple, TX
scratch building 601XL
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| Subject: | Paint Overspray cleaned. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I am really glad it worked as well as it did. I have never used it but heard from
a guy that it was "amazing"...I am currently painting my RV and feel I should
get some clay for the inevitable boo boo that hasn't happened yet.
Cheers
Frank
HDS sold, RV half painted...Feels weired to not have a a flying airplane!
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:11 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?=
--> <joeing701@internet.is>
Hello list members.
I am happy again. The cleaning of the paint over spray was a success using the
"over spray clay" method, as suggested by Frank Hinde and Tom L.
This stuff is great. Not much rubbing is required, just a few strokes across the
surface with some light soapy liquid, and all the over spray is gone.You can
feel when you start the rub, where the surface is rough at first, and then smooth
as a babys a.....
If you ever need to remove this kind of "buddy" mistake, this is the method.
Just wanted you all to know.
Thank you,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Cheap metal bending brake that works |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Grant,
Download them at http://www.n344rb.com on the main page.
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:25 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Schemmel, Grant"
> <Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I would really appreciate it if you could email me a copy of the plans
> too. Although I'm flying my 601HDS, I'm also working on a BD-4, so it
> would come in real handy about now.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Grant Schemmel
> Grant.schemmel@aeroflex.com
> CH601HDS/O-200
>
>
> Time: 08:47:48 AM PST US
>
> If anyone needs an inexpensive bending brake that actually works go to the
> CH601XL group on yahoo. I've posted plans for an all metal 8 foot brake
> that
> requires no welding. It cost under $75 to build. And for all you critics
> that say it can't work...I bent my flap and aileron skins and long "L"
> angles and they all came out great. It does work and that's a fact.
>
>
> I can also email the plans complete with color photos in Adobe PDF format.
> The file is about 2.5 MB so make sure your email server will allow you to
> receive files that large.
>
>
> Dave
> Temple, TX
> scratch building 601XL
>
>
> Notice: This e-mail is intended solely for use of the individual or entity
> to which it is addressed and may contain information that is proprietary,
> privileged, company confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under
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> responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are
> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this
> communication is strictly prohibited. This communication may also contain
> data subject to the International Traffic in Arms Regulations or U.S.
> Export Administration Regulations and cannot be disseminated, distributed
> or copied to foreign nationals, residing in the U.S. or abroad, without
> the prior approval of the U.S. Department of State or appropriate export
> licensing authority.
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> and/or any file attachment(s).
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Paint Overspray cleaned |
Soccer?...What is soccer...i think you mean football my friend...I.e
played with the foot!
Frank .....the ex pat Brit, 3 wins, one draw, no other team scoring any
own goals!....:)
Definatly do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:46 PM
Now, talking as a newbie in this matter, because I have never heard
before about that "Clay", I will appreciate some leads to get info in
internet.
We have always used 1,500 wet sanding and polish for years to get over
spray off our work..
Glad you got it off, Johan, 1,500 sanding and then polish (once the
paint is dry for weeks) is a hard time but also works great.
By the way, we polished our airplane this Saturday, rained in the
night, so the grass strip was wet. We polished before the Mexico -
Argentina soccer game, then wax it when the game was finished : the
plane looks great.
Soccer results saturday Mex 1 Argentina 2.
Thanks a lot in advance.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
J=EF=BDhann Gestur <joeing701@internet.is> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F3hann_Gestur?=
Hello list members.
I am happy again. The cleaning of the paint over spray was a success
using the "over spray clay" method, as suggested by Frank Hinde and Tom
L.
This stuff is great. Not much rubbing is required, just a few strokes
across the surface with some light soapy liquid, and all the over spray
is gone.You can feel when you start the rub, where the surface is rough
at first, and then smooth as a babys a.....
If you ever need to remove this kind of "buddy" mistake, this is the
method.
Just wanted you all to know.
Thank you,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | To All Scratch Builders |
Oh Dave you have an airconditioned shop too!...I have no AC in the house
but I do in the shop. I just had to hang out in there ALL day yesterday
cus it was so hot.
Got a lot done too!...:)
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Ruddiman
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:05 PM
Larry,
If you can make to Arlington, let me know. Is it pretty hot in Lakeview
today? It's getting that way here. Had to turn the air-conditioning on
in the shop today, for the first time this year.
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: LHusky@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: To All Scratch Builders
When I get my scratch built 601XL done next spring, I will fly
it from Lakeview, OR to Salem and let you see some handy work in action!
I am hoping to have a fuse that I can sit in by the end of July, so I
can make airplane noises. I may make it to Arlington. I work in Law
Enforcement and it is hard to get any holidays off.
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
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| Subject: | Re: RE:BD-4 was Cheap metal bending brake that works |
Grant
How do you like working on the BD-4? I am also interested in possibly
building that plane. Are you building a kit or scratch building? How is the factory
support and the plans? Are you going with a auto conversion or certified
engine? Are you working with TVA, and how is their support?
Thanks for your input
Bob Spudis
CH-701/912S 55hrs
In a message dated 6/26/2006 9:31:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com writes:
Although I'm flying my 601HDS, I'm also working on a BD-4, so it would come
in real handy about now.
Thanks!
Grant Schemmel
Grant.schemmel@aeroflex.com
CH601HDS/O-200
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| Subject: | Forward tiliting canopy |
Dear friends,
yesterday, I took my niece out for a ride in my CH 601 HDs with side
tilting canopy. It was very hot yesterday afternoon and we had runway 08
in operation, which requires me to taxi all the way down the runway. In
order no to sweat too much undernath the canopy I decided to skip the
point "close canopy and engage canopy locks" in my checklist until we
were ready to take off. You probably can guess: shortly after take off I
realized, that the canopy hooks on the left side were not fully engaged
and the canopy locks were not engaged. After some fideling I was able to
engage the hooks and the locks - without my passenger even noticing,
that something was wrong.
that was the last drop to push me to the decision: I wont to convert to
the forward tilting canopy. Shouldn't be a big deal. Last Sun'n Fun I
looked up the mechanism of the forward tilting canopy in detail. I have
two questions, though:
- What type of gas springs are used (length, force)?
- Where can I get the locking mechanism and how exactly does the opening
from the outside work?
Thanks
Thilo Kind
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| Subject: | Re: MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over $12,000 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Does this mean that you will not be training in a 601XL anymore? I had planned
to come up for a week or so before I start flight testing my plane.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=43137#43137
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Hi folks,
on the CH601 HDS - when are your folks changing the bungees on the
mains? How far do the stop plates on the top of the wing stick out?
Thanks
Thilo Kind
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| Subject: | CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident |
I'm not sure, If you know this already, but it surely makes me do
inspection
hole to my wings!
One year ago (2005) two pilots died in Norway, when Savannah lost
one of it's wing. Savannah uses exactly same kind of wing strut
attachement as CH701 uses and it fails by stress.
There is links for pictures and service instruction:
http://www.ilmailu.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=500.0;id
=362
http://www.ilmailu.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=500.0;id
=363
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http://www.jarikaija.com
http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over |
$12,000
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
Gig,
One of the potential purchasers that has expressed an interest is the local flying
club at Sky Bryce Airport where my flight school is based. If they end up
buying N601VA then I'll lease it back from them for my school. We'll see how
this all works out.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
Sky Bryce Airport - Basye, VA
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
Jim@Pellien.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
>Does this mean that you will not be training in a 601XL anymore? I had planned
to come up for a week or so before I start flight testing my plane.
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=43137#43137
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________
Sent via the WebMail system at mail.pellien.com
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident |
I thought the Savannah did not use jury struts, so even if the main strut
connection was the same between the two the amount of stressed placed on the
701's connection would be less... right?
On 6/26/06, Jari Kaija <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure, If you know this already, but it surely makes me do
> inspection
> hole to my wings!
>
> One year ago (2005) two pilots died in Norway, when Savannah lost
> one of it's wing. Savannah uses exactly same kind of wing strut
> attachement as CH701 uses and it fails by stress.
>
> There is links for pictures and service instruction:
>
> http://www.ilmailu.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=500.0;id=362
>
> http://www.ilmailu.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=500.0;id=363
>
>
> ----------------------------------
> http://www.jarikaija.com
> http://www.project-ch701.net
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident |
> I thought the Savannah did not use jury struts,
Yep. That is right.
> so even if the main strut connection was the same between the two the
amount of
> stressed placed on the 701's connection would be less... right?
More or less. Still, jury struts wont help with straight pull and push
movement, what
this aluminium "upper strut fitting" have to endure.
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http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Forward tiliting canopy |
The XL canopy photo guides on the Zenith site provide a lot of information.
The links are in the middle of
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/xl-up-manuals.html
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-1.pdf
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-2.pdf
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-3.pdf
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-3a.pdf
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-3b.pdf
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-3c.pdf
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-4.pdf
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thilo Kind
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:24 AM
Dear friends,
yesterday, I took my niece out for a ride in my CH 601 HDs with side tilting
canopy. It was very hot yesterday afternoon and we had runway 08 in
operation, which requires me to taxi all the way down the runway. In order
no to sweat too much undernath the canopy I decided to skip the point "close
canopy and engage canopy locks" in my checklist until we were ready to take
off. You probably can guess: shortly after take off I realized, that the
canopy hooks on the left side were not fully engaged and the canopy locks
were not engaged. After some fideling I was able to engage the hooks and the
locks - without my passenger even noticing, that something was wrong.
that was the last drop to push me to the decision: I wont to convert to the
forward tilting canopy. Shouldn't be a big deal. Last Sun'n Fun I looked up
the mechanism of the forward tilting canopy in detail. I have two questions,
though:
- What type of gas springs are used (length, force)?
- Where can I get the locking mechanism and how exactly does the opening
from the outside work?
Thanks
Thilo Kind
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi;
If you see a significant change in the height that the top plates stick
up above the skin, inspect the bungees carefully. In my case,in 12
years, I have only had to replace 1 of the bungees on each side. The
others were fine and still are.
The trike drivers will have to replace the nose gear bungee much more
frequently. Ho! Ho!
Mike
CH-601HDS w/conventional gear.
UHS Spinners
Thilo Kind wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> on the CH601 HDS - when are your folks changing the bungees on the
> mains? How far do the stop plates on the top of the wing stick out?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thilo Kind
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Thilo,
On my Annual Inspection process sheets dated May 2005, the gap between
cap and the nose gear was 7/16" and the gap for the mains was 3/16-inch.
I note that this past inspection finds the nose gear about the same with
the mains at 1/4-inch one year later. You have to bounce the weight of
the aircraft
manually several times to get the max reading. Don't think I'm
replacing the bungees for several more years. The gear has supported
the plane since June
of 2003, flown in 2004. The conditions noted for gaps at the caps are
no fuel, passengers or other gear in the plane. It's at its empty
weight of 730 lbs.
I'd consider changing bungees if the gap increased by as much as half an
inch over time. Because you have two on each main, it probably wouldn't
be a major
problem getting the plane back in the hangar for replacement of the bungee.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Thilo Kind wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> on the CH601 HDS - when are your folks changing the bungees on the
> mains? How far do the stop plates on the top of the wing stick out?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thilo Kind
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ihab.awad@gmail.com
On 6/26/06, Jari Kaija <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
> More or less. Still, jury struts wont help with straight pull and push
> movement, what this aluminium "upper strut fitting" have to endure.
Yes and no. Could be that the struts are deflecting off axis due to
aero loads (e.g., fluttering about in the slipstream), leading to
fatigue and cracking of that joint.
Ihab
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Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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| Subject: | Re: RE:BD-4 was Cheap metal bending brake that works |
I have a BD4 project that I am looking to trade for a Zenith project. My
fuselage, tail, horizontal and gear leg installation is complete. I have
the wing kit also but not assembled.
Pictures available.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE:BD-4 was Cheap metal bending brake that
works
Grant
How do you like working on the BD-4? I am also interested in possibly
building that plane. Are you building a kit or scratch building? How is
the factory support and the plans? Are you going with a auto conversion
or certified engine? Are you working with TVA, and how is their support?
Thanks for your input
Bob Spudis
CH-701/912S 55hrs
In a message dated 6/26/2006 9:31:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com writes:
Although I'm flying my 601HDS, I'm also working on a BD-4, so it
would come in real handy about now.
Thanks!
Grant Schemmel
Grant.schemmel@aeroflex.com
CH601HDS/O-200
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| Subject: | Re: Forward tiliting canopy |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Thilo,
I saved the commercial data for the cylinder and it's a SUSPA, series
16-1, Part number C16-14864 144N
The 144 is the maximum Newtons force or 32.374-lbs. Tube diameter is
15mm, rod diameter is 6mm, thread for tube end is M6 x 1.0mm
and the thread rod end is M6 x 1.0mm. Lengths are minimum = 61 and
maximum is = 225.
Thilo, I also have a canopy pictorial page on my site and details
describing the effort to fabricate and install it on my journal Section
5, April 23 to May 17
Section 6, May 18 through June 7 and Sept 21 through Nov 26
Hope this helps.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Thilo Kind wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> yesterday, I took my niece out for a ride in my CH 601 HDs with side
> tilting canopy. It was very hot yesterday afternoon and we had runway
> 08 in operation, which requires me to taxi all the way down the
> runway. In order no to sweat too much undernath the canopy I decided
> to skip the point "close canopy and engage canopy locks" in my
> checklist until we were ready to take off. You probably can guess:
> shortly after take off I realized, that the canopy hooks on the left
> side were not fully engaged and the canopy locks were not engaged.
> After some fideling I was able to engage the hooks and the locks -
> without my passenger even noticing, that something was wrong.
>
> that was the last drop to push me to the decision: I wont to convert
> to the forward tilting canopy. Shouldn't be a big deal. Last Sun'n Fun
> I looked up the mechanism of the forward tilting canopy in detail. I
> have two questions, though:
> - What type of gas springs are used (length, force)?
> - Where can I get the locking mechanism and how exactly does the
> opening from the outside work?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thilo Kind
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Forgive me if I am overstepping my limits here since I
have never posted to this list before but here goes.
My understanding of the Savannah incident is that the
aircraft in question was stressed during a windstorm.
It had been tied down by the strut attach fitting and
therefore the fitting received the brunt of the forces
from the wind. The owner had replacement parts on
order to repair the aircraft and decided to continue
flying until they arrived. The pictures in the
original post show the catastrophic result.
Again. This is only my understanding and not
necessarily what actually happened.
Chris briefly mentioned this incident at a seminar
last summer at Oshkosh and stated it was not an issue
with the CH-701.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 scratch builder
NW Ontario, Canada
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Jari,
Where is the failure specifically? Does it separate at the bolt shown
in the picture, or between bolts not seen below?
Has anyone said?
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Jari Kaija wrote:
>
> I'm not sure, If you know this already, but it surely makes me do
> inspection
> hole to my wings!
>
> One year ago (2005) two pilots died in Norway, when Savannah lost
> one of it's wing. Savannah uses exactly same kind of wing strut
> attachement as CH701 uses and it fails by stress.
>
> There is links for pictures and service instruction:
>
> http://www.ilmailu.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=500.0;id=362
>
> http://www.ilmailu.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=500.0;id=363
>
>
> ----------------------------------
> http://www.jarikaija.com
> http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: MASPL Demonstrator Aircraft For Sale - Save over $12,000 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Please let me know.
jpellien wrote:
> Gig,
>
> One of the potential purchasers that has expressed an interest is the local flying
club at Sky Bryce Airport where my flight school is based. If they end
up buying N601VA then I'll lease it back from them for my school. We'll see how
this all works out.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Pellien
> Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
> Sky Bryce Airport - Basye, VA
> www.MASPL.com
> 703-313-4818
> Jim@Pellien.com
>
>
>
> --------
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=43202#43202
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
> Chris briefly mentioned this incident at a seminar
> last summer at Oshkosh and stated it was not an issue
> with the CH-701.
I hope so. Still, it's simple enough to make bigger hole for it
and cover it with little piece of alum-sheet using nutplates and
sleep well, than see nightmares of falling wings :-)
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 wing strut attachement vs. Savannah accident |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
> Jari,
> Where is the failure specifically? Does it separate at the bolt shown in
> the picture, or between bolts not seen below?
It's just before the first bolt (second picture in first www-link). Picture
number
four shows also started cracking on the other wing at the same point.
With my wing skin I can't even see that point good enough. "Stress
corrosion" is
one of the annoying thing to find at early stages (penetration chemicals
helps).
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: kevinbonds@comcast.net
Looks good guys. One small thing that is missing--that I'm sure you are already
working on--is links to our sites.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 wing strut vs. Savannah accident lexan |
why not use a piece of lexan? than it could be "eyeballed" every preflight .
Fritz ---Corvair-- 601XL plans---- 90/90
Jari Kaija <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija"
> Chris briefly mentioned this incident at a seminar
> last summer at Oshkosh and stated it was not an issue
> with the CH-701.
I hope so. Still, it's simple enough to make bigger hole for it
and cover it with little piece of alum-sheet using nutplates and
sleep well, than see nightmares of falling wings :-)
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They don't at all, they are actually slightly below the skin as they tighten
up.
-----Original Message-----
on the CH601 HDS - when are your folks changing the bungees on the mains?
How far do the stop plates on the top of the wing stick out?
Thanks
Thilo Kind
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: kevinbonds@comcast.net
Sorry about my last email. I sent it to the wrong group.
Kevin Bonds
do not archive
-------------- Original message ----------------------
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: kevinbonds@comcast.net
>
> Looks good guys. One small thing that is missing--that I'm sure you are already
> working on--is links to our sites.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Sender Continued |
So I have my hole for the sender (older style sender - top mount).
And, thanks to earlier comments from the group, I think I know how
much I can shave off to make it fit under the skin.
Now, how on earth do I get the backing plate in there? As you can
see from the pictures, it ain't goin' through that hole. I see from
the photo guide that the new senders have split rings that can slide
in. Can I cut this one? Or, should I drop it through the gas cap and
fish it out. Of course, if I do that, then it is not coming back out
later (at least not easily or close thereto) unless I remove the tank.
Anyone else find a good solution?
Thanks, Michael Valentine
Still almost done with the first wing.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender Continued |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Michael,
It is a little tricky to get the plate in the tank, but not rocket science.
First you cut a hole where you want to install the sender. I don't
have the size in front of me, but it is just about the same as the
distance from the inner part of the notch in the ring and the
opposite side. You start by putting one side of the notch into the
hole and then work the ring around the circle sliding the edge under
the hole in the tank. When you are done all you need to do is mount
all the screws (leaving one without the paper washer or perhaps using
copper washers) with the gasket on the top side of the hole between
the sender plate and the gas tank.
You will find this is pretty easy to do with two of the screws just
threaded through the inner plate. If you choose the wrong ones then
you won't be able to complete putting the ring through the
hole. Also, take a good look at the holes in the base plate and the
ring. They only line up one way.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 07:38 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote:
>So I have my hole for the sender (older style sender - top mount).
>And, thanks to earlier comments from the group, I think I know how
>much I can shave off to make it fit under the skin.
>
>Now, how on earth do I get the backing plate in there? As you can
>see from the pictures, it ain't goin' through that hole. I see from
>the photo guide that the new senders have split rings that can slide
>in. Can I cut this one? Or, should I drop it through the gas cap and
>fish it out. Of course, if I do that, then it is not coming back out
>later (at least not easily or close thereto) unless I remove the tank.
>
>Anyone else find a good solution?
>
>Thanks, Michael Valentine
>Still almost done with the first wing.
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Sender Continued |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, Michael
That's the same sender I'm using.
The notch on the side is the key to making the ring go through the hole.
Even then, it looks like the hole you have is small... I made them 60 mm in diameter.
The ring's diameter is 63.8 mm
Carlos
--- Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> a crit :
> So I have my hole for the sender (older style sender - top mount).
> And, thanks to earlier comments from the group, I think I know how
> much I can shave off to make it fit under the skin.
>
> Now, how on earth do I get the backing plate in there? As you can
> see from the pictures, it ain't goin' through that hole. I see from
> the photo guide that the new senders have split rings that can slide
> in. Can I cut this one? Or, should I drop it through the gas cap and
> fish it out. Of course, if I do that, then it is not coming back out
> later (at least not easily or close thereto) unless I remove the tank.
>
> Anyone else find a good solution?
>
> Thanks, Michael Valentine
> Still almost done with the first wing.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender Continued |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Hi Michael,
Let me add a bit to what Paul told you (it's fresh in mind because I just
did it). The hole diameter called for is 59 mm. Don't make it any bigger
than that because there is very little of the inner ring overlapping the
edge at that diameter. If you open it much bigger, you won't have much of
the edge to squeeze on with the inner ring.
Also, you really only need to start one screw through the outer plate,
rubber gasket, and into the threads of the inner ring... and remember, like
Paul said, the holes will only line up one way. With the long screw
positioned away from the notch (not right next to it.. don't ask why, just
trust me) slip the inner ring into the hole with the notch against one edge.
If you can't wiggle it through or even lightly force it through the hole,
take it out and conservatively sand two opposing parts of the hole with
emery cloth to make it oblong a little bit. On the next try make sure the
notch is positioned at one of the two areas you sanded. Repeat until you can
just barely make it squeeze through.
Once the inner ring is inside the tank, thread the other screws and tighten.
You may have to fish around for the first one or two; after that they are
easy to start. For final installation you may want to put a little bit of
Peramtex or some other gas proof sealer between the rubber gasket and the
tank. Don't glob it on; the excess will be squished inside the tank where it
is unsupported and will break off later due to age and vibration. Junk like
that will clog your finger screen.
Another hint; use a maker pen to indicate the orientation of the outer plate
so you don't point it in the wrong direction.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / wings
> Now, how on earth do I get the backing plate in there? As you can
> see from the pictures, it ain't goin' through that hole.
> Anyone else find a good solution?
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