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1. 02:43 AM - Re: fuel sender (Bryan Martin)
2. 02:43 AM - Dynon EMS and Corvair (LHusky@aol.com)
3. 03:45 AM - Re: Longeron bending question (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 03:47 AM - Re: Longeron bending question (george may)
5. 03:49 AM - Re: Re: vw engine (Monty Graves)
6. 03:57 AM - Rear Wing Channels (Scratch Builder Question) (Debo Cox)
7. 04:27 AM - Engine Choice (george may)
8. 04:49 AM - Re: Rear Wing Channels (Scratch Builder Question) (Monty Graves)
9. 05:40 AM - Re: Jon Croke unfortunate incident again (Michael Valentine)
10. 06:05 AM - Re: Longeron bending question (N5SL)
11. 06:12 AM - Re: Rear Wing Channels (Scratch Builder Question) (N5SL)
12. 06:14 AM - bending aft spar (Big Gee)
13. 06:17 AM - Re: Jon Croke unfortunate incident again (Rick R)
14. 06:23 AM - Re: Longeron bending question (Big Gee)
15. 06:26 AM - Re: Longeron bending question (LarryMcFarland)
16. 06:26 AM - Re: Fuel system poser (Joe and Joan)
17. 07:41 AM - Re: Rivets: Update on where to buy (Dave and Jan Clay)
18. 07:41 AM - Re: Fuel system poser (Peter Barthold)
19. 07:41 AM - Re: fuel sender (Big Gee)
20. 07:46 AM - Re: Longeron bending question ()
21. 08:00 AM - Re: Fuel system poser ()
22. 08:10 AM - Re: vw engine (Peter Barthold)
23. 08:10 AM - Just Couldn't Resist / Checking XL Parts (AZFlyer)
24. 09:26 AM - Re: Rivets: Update on where to buy (norriedh)
25. 09:29 AM - Rilsan Polyamide Tubing: How to heat bend? (norriedh)
26. 09:49 AM - Re: Dynon EMS and Corvair (Dan Lykowski)
27. 11:25 AM - Re: Rilsan Polyamide Tubing: How to heat bend? ()
28. 11:42 AM - Re: Longeron bending question (LHusky@aol.com)
29. 11:48 AM - Re: source for gas springs (David Barth)
30. 12:04 PM - Re: source for gas springs (Tom and Bren Henderson)
31. 12:23 PM - Re: source for gas springs (Jean-Paul Roy)
32. 01:39 PM - Re: Engine Choice (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
33. 02:36 PM - Re: Gauges (Noel Loveys)
34. 03:13 PM - Re: Checking XL parts (plans building) LONG (can delete) (Bill Naumuk)
35. 03:16 PM - Re: Still need some more (Bill Naumuk)
36. 04:12 PM - Re: Rear Wing Channels (Scratch Builder Question) (Debo Cox)
37. 04:41 PM - Re: Fuel system poser (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
38. 04:50 PM - Re: Rear Wing Channel in Fuselage (Jaybannist@cs.com)
39. 05:02 PM - Re: Jon Croke unfortunate incident again (Tommy Walker)
40. 06:15 PM - Re: Checking XL parts (Gary Gower)
41. 07:13 PM - Re: Checking XL parts (Jaybannist@cs.com)
42. 08:45 PM - Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER (Big Gee)
43. 08:46 PM - Re: Rear Wing Channels (Scratch Builder Question) (Ron Lendon)
44. 09:42 PM - Jon Croke ~ Please read all of it (Zodie Rocket)
45. 09:58 PM - Jon Croke ~ Please read all of it (Zodie Rocket)
46. 10:00 PM - Re: John - Say it ain't so! (Zodie Rocket)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
If I recall correctly, that's the way it's supposed to work. The
sender varies from abut 180 Ohms for an empty tank to about 10 Ohms
when full. The gauge reads full scale for full: full scale meter
reading = maximum circuit current = lowest resistance.
On Jun 30, 2006, at 3:20 AM, mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net wrote:
> Hi from Arizona.
>
> I went to test my 601XL fuel tank for leaks and the sender unit.
> With fuel in the tank, I am getting no ohms from the sender unit.
> Empty the tank and I get ohms! Is this because tank isn't grounded?
> (it isn't in the wing yet) Any thoughts out there? Thanks in advance.
>
> Mike
>
> N445ML
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Dynon EMS and Corvair |
Has anyone used any of the Dynon EMS systems with a Corvair. I am wondering
if the Jabiru 3300 probe kit can be converted for the Corvair. Thanks for
the information
Larry Husky
Building Fuse
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| Subject: | Re: Longeron bending question |
Yes, the kit comes with the longerons already bent. Of course they
don't match the pre-drilled holes in the bottom skin so there are
still problems to resolve.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 11:02 PM 6/29/2006, you wrote:
>OK, I am officially going crazy!!! I am trying to bend the lower
>longerons for the rear fuse on my XL. I have tried a variety of
>things and ruined a nice piece of extrusion. I am trying what Scott
>Laughlin uses on his website and it bends the metal nice and easy,
>but I dont have a uniform shape to the fuse I can get it to bend in
>the right spot, but it does not stay round. There are flat spots in
>it. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to get the smooth countor
>of the fuse. I am using .75x.75x.125 wall extrusion due to
>availability reasons. This is stronger than what is called for in
>the plans and may be the reason why I am having so much
>problems. Can you KIT BUILDERS tell me if yours came already formed
>in the kit? I don't think they do, but have not called and
>asked. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Larry Husky
>Trying to build fuse!!
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| Subject: | Longeron bending question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
they come pre bent in the kit
George May
601xl 912s
>From: LHusky@aol.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Longeron bending question
>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:02:01 EDT
>
>OK, I am officially going crazy!!! I am trying to bend the lower
>longerons
>for the rear fuse on my XL. I have tried a variety of things and ruined a
>nice piece of extrusion. I am trying what Scott Laughlin uses on his
>website
>and it bends the metal nice and easy, but I dont have a uniform shape to
>the
>fuse I can get it to bend in the right spot, but it does not stay round.
>There are flat spots in it. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to get
>the
>smooth countor of the fuse. I am using .75x.75x.125 wall extrusion due to
>availability reasons. This is stronger than what is called for in the
>plans and
>may be the reason why I am having so much problems. Can you KIT BUILDERS
>tell
>me if yours came already formed in the kit? I don't think they do, but
>have
>not called and asked. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Larry Husky
>Trying to build fuse!!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Its not mine but.
B.J. Schwaller has his 701 flying out of Eldon MO, with a VW engine and
Valley Engineering redrive. Its a 1915cc VW. It flys great at least as
good of performance as the 80 HP rotax...... There should be some 3-6
more get airborne with the VW engine redrive package this summer..
There are pictures of his plane in the gallery section here, as well as
info about the VW and redrive package
B.J. got his engine from these folks as well.
http://www.culverprops.com/
Its still a little early to say its a REALLY good economical choice for the
701, but every indication so far is.
I personally don't think a direct drive VW is a good idea on either the 601
or the 701, nor do I think the VW with or without a redrive is a good
choice for the 601
Monty Graves
CH701 working on the forward fuse
At 04:53 PM 6/29/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kemter" <kemter@msn.com>
>
>Same story for the lighter 701's??? Haven't heard much talk about VW
>powered 701's - anyone out there flying one that could comment on the
>performance (or lack there of)?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=43840#43840
>
>
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| Subject: | Rear Wing Channels (Scratch Builder Question) |
Hi guys,
I'm to the point of fabricating the rear wing channels and on my XL. These things
are 12' long, and my plan is to bevel the edge of my work table for proper
springback, use the router to radius the edge and basically make a 12' form
block out of the edge of my table. Seems logical enough to me, but I was wondering
if (a.) this has already been tried and (b.) was it successful?
If not, how did you guys make this 12' bend? I saw on Scott Laughlin's site that
he had cut his, but never shows the bending process. I've seen some pretty
ingenious press brakes out there too, but am looking at this from a cost vs.
return standpoint as well. As always, any help is greatly appreciated.
Debo Cox
XL/Corvair
Working on wings
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
For those folks still trying to figure out which engine they may want to use
on the 601XL, you might want to check out the July issue of AOPA. It has an
article on the three leading engines for the LightSport
planes-----Continental O-200, Rotax 912s ,and Jabiru.
George May
601XL 912s
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Wing Channels (Scratch Builder Question) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Debo,
I have never tried 12ft this way, I have bent aprox 7 ft this way. It is
not as good as finding a brake that will bend it. But I think acceptable.
If you do end up bending your channels this way. I would suggest using a
piece of plywood aprox 2 ft long to start the bend. Strike the plywood
with the mallet and move it along. It makes a nicer piece than just
striking the alum directly with the mallet in these long pieces.
Its also makes a better piece to use most of a full sheet of alum width
wise.... bend the first lip, move it out, bend the middle, move it out
bend the last lip, and snip it off of the larger sheet. This way you get
a much better clamping surface.
Monty
At 03:52 AM 6/30/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>I'm to the point of fabricating the rear wing channels and on my XL. These
>things are 12' long, and my plan is to bevel the edge of my work table for
>proper springback, use the router to radius the edge and basically make a
>12' form block out of the edge of my table. Seems logical enough to me,
>but I was wondering if (a.) this has already been tried and (b.) was it
>successful?
>
>If not, how did you guys make this 12' bend? I saw on Scott Laughlin's
>site that he had cut his, but never shows the bending process. I've seen
>some pretty ingenious press brakes out there too, but am looking at this
>from a cost vs. return standpoint as well. As always, any help is greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Debo Cox
>XL/Corvair
>Working on wings
>
>
>Sneak preview the
><http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40762/*http://www.yahoo.com/preview>all-new
>Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.
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| Subject: | Re: Jon Croke unfortunate incident again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
This is a great idea and a nice way to help. Until I visited the
site, I did not realize how many topics his videos covered. As you
can all probably tell from my recent posts, the Electrical Wiring 101
video will come in very handy for me - it will certainly be more of a
help to me than the $25 will be to him!
Best of luck to Jon.
Michael Valentine
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On 6/29/06, Zodie Rocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
> www.homebuilthelp.com
> If possible, I would like to ask everyone who is
> able, to purchase a DVD or two from Jon's website. This will go a long
> way to help him recover from the hospital expenses and hopefully allow
> him to start re-building his 701, Jon has too much pride to accept any
> donations but he cannot refuse a DVD sale.
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| Subject: | Re: Longeron bending question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Larry:
Thanks for the reference to my site but I got the idea
from Larry McFarland's pictures (macsmachine.com).
You might want to look at how he did it. If you go
slow, with a little persistence you can get it just
about perfect. Go slow and if you over-bend it, just
nudge it back into place. The top flange tends to
kick up so you might need to use a hammer and a vise
to bring it back to 90 degrees with the other flange
after it is bent. You will see this when you try to
lay it flat on the table after bending.
Take your time and you will get it. You will run into
a similar situation when bending your fuselage and
canopy hoops (actually it's worse since you can get
dents in the tube) and again with the canopy frame
when you bend it to match the angles you are working
on now!
For the hoops I found that a pipe bender works even
better than the clamps-and-pipe method. I got a cheap
one on-sale from Harbor Freight. It's a 12-ton unit
(talk about overkill) but it has a 1/2" shoe that fits
the 3/4" aluminum pipe well. Here are a few pictures:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_13_06_Canopy_Hoop_Bending.JPG
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_13_06_Canopy_Hoop.JPG
Here's a new one I just posted for clarity:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_13_06_Canopy_Hoop_Bending2.JPG
This won't ease your pain right now but it will make
things a lot easier when you are building your
fuselage hoops real soon.
Press on Larry - you will succeed.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Canopy, LRI, Canopy, LRI.
--- LHusky@aol.com wrote:
> OK, I am officially going crazy!!! I am trying to
> bend the lower longerons
> for the rear fuse on my XL. I have tried a variety
> of things and ruined a
> nice piece of extrusion. I am trying what Scott
> Laughlin uses on his website
> and it bends the metal nice and easy, but I dont
> have a uniform shape to the
> fuse I can get it to bend in the right spot, but it
> does not stay round.
> There are flat spots in it. Can anyone tell me if
> there is a way to get the
> smooth countor of the fuse. I am using .75x.75x.125
> wall extrusion due to
> availability reasons. This is stronger than what is
> called for in the plans and
> may be the reason why I am having so much problems.
> Can you KIT BUILDERS tell
> me if yours came already formed in the kit? I
> don't think they do, but have
> not called and asked. Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Larry Husky
> Trying to build fuse!!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Wing Channels (Scratch Builder Question) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Debo:
I bent the two pieces with the 8' brake I built from
Larry McFarland's plans. If you can find an 8' sheet
brake you can build the rear channel and splice it. I
think the spliced rear channel is stronger than the
full piece because you have to drill that large hole
for the aileron control. The splice happens to fall
right where you drill the hole so you have much
thicker material there where the rear channel is the
weakest.
Using the table or any other form block will give you
a twisted channel - especially over a 12' length. I
know this because I tried it. The splice really is a
good solution. I got a hand drawing from Chris Heintz
for the splice. I think it may be posted on
ch601.org.
Have a good day,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
In the home stretch.
--- Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm to the point of fabricating the rear wing
> channels and on my XL.
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| Subject: | bending aft spar |
Hi Debo--------Do you have access to an 8' brake? If , not it is worth building
the inexpensive one which has been floating around on this site.
There are no 12" bends reqired in my airplane------ Chris H. told me how to get
along with the 8' brake.
Fritz --- Corvair, scratch building 601XL, 90/90
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| Subject: | Re: Jon Croke unfortunate incident again |
EAA chapter 6 just got four DVDs added to their library !
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rick
Sharpsburg, GA. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Longeron bending question |
Larry-- I used the same size material.----- scratch built---- bending forms MUST
have more of a curve than what plans for template shows to allow for spring
back.
I had one template for bending and one for finished product. My longerons, all
4 came out really, really nice( I don't like to use the word "perfect" in scratch
building) I'll match them to the factory's anyday----- contact me off
list, if you want more info.
Fritz-- Corvair, 601XL, scratch builder, 90/90
LHusky@aol.com wrote:
OK, I am officially going crazy!!! I am trying to bend the lower longerons
for the rear fuse on my XL. I have tried a variety of things and ruined a
nice piece of extrusion. I am trying what Scott Laughlin uses on his website
and it bends the metal nice and easy, but I dont have a uniform shape to the fuse
I can get it to bend in the right spot, but it does not stay round. There
are flat spots in it. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to get the smooth
countor of the fuse. I am using .75x.75x.125 wall extrusion due to availability
reasons. This is stronger than what is called for in the plans and may be
the reason why I am having so much problems. Can you KIT BUILDERS tell me if
yours came already formed in the kit? I don't think they do, but have not called
and asked. Any help would be appreciated.
Larry Husky
Trying to build fuse!!
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| Subject: | Re: Longeron bending question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Larry
> If you need to bend longerons to a template curve you might try the
> example shown in the links below.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/longeronbend.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/longeronbender.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/longeronmarkup.gif
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
>> From: LHusky@aol.com
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Longeron bending question
>> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:02:01 EDT
>>
>> OK, I am officially going crazy!!! I am trying to bend the lower
>> longerons
>> for the rear fuse on my XL. I have tried a variety of things and
>> ruined a
>> nice piece of extrusion. I am trying what Scott Laughlin uses on his
>> website
>> and it bends the metal nice and easy, but I dont have a uniform shape
>> to the
>> fuse I can get it to bend in the right spot, but it does not stay round.
>> There are flat spots in it. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to
>> get the
>> smooth countor of the fuse. I am using .75x.75x.125 wall extrusion
>> due to
>> availability reasons. This is stronger than what is called for in the
>> plans and
>> may be the reason why I am having so much problems. Can you KIT
>> BUILDERS tell
>> me if yours came already formed in the kit? I don't think they do,
>> but have
>> not called and asked. Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Larry Husky
>> Trying to build fuse!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system poser |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe and Joan" <jnjkimbell@hotmail.com>
Fred, I have 36 hrs on my 701 and have the same situation. After 5000+ hrs
flying small AC I hope I am correct in believing that on a gravity feed 2
tank system, that when one goes dry, the fuel in the tank with remaining
fuel will overcome any air (forcing air into empty tank) and the weight of
the fuel will feed engine. If the bubble was below (or beyond) the fuel
selector valve, it should not have effected which tank used fuel first.
Along this line: Has any one ran one tank dry (until engine quits) and then
changed over to other Tank? Also, on Rotax 912, did engine windmill or did
you have to use elect. starter. Joe
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:53 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: fred sanford <sonar1@cox.net>
>
> Hi guys:
> I've got 70 hours on my CH701, and loving it, but I have a real poser for
> you thinkers.
> On two flights, one fuel tank has failed to feed. I landed once with ten
> gallons on one side, and two on the other. Today, it was 8 on one side,
> and one gallon on the other. And they were different tanks! Once the right
> one, and once the left!
> There is a bubble in the line of the tank that is not feeding. I thought
> it might be a vacuum from the caps, so they have been changed.
> What could be simpler? Two high tanks with lines to the gascolator,
> through the fuel filter, and to the engine.
> Am I flying sideways? I'm stumped!!
>
> Fred Sanford N9701 Santa Barbara, Ca. 70 hours having fun!
> do not archive
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets: Update on where to buy |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
Aircraft Spruce sells these exact rivets. I compared them to the ones from
ZAC and they are identical. They are Textron Avdel Avex rivets. Identical
part numbers everyone has been giving for Canadian purchase. A4's are 4
cents and A5's are 7 cents. Tou get a 10% discount off that price if you buy
at least 100.
Part numbers:
A4 1604-0412
A5 1604-0514
Dave
Scratch building in Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system poser |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
Fred,
I'm far away from being an expert here, just a shot in the dark:
Are your fuel caps the only source of ventilation? If yes, are they located on
top of your wing profile (or at least somewhere near that)? Then they are in
the low pressure zone of your airfoil and air is possibly sucked out of your tanks
by the vents. I would tape some flexible hose temporarily to the fuel opening
and fix the open end into the airstream. If I am correct, then your quickie
ram air vent will work and you will have enough fuel pressure. Next step would
be a Cessna type ram air system.
All this is not my wisdom of course but can be found in tony Bingelis' books
Hope this helps
Greetings from Germany
Peter
HDS TD VW
Tail done Wings in progress
www.petersprojekt42.de
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Mike-- if you have already put FUEL in the tanks for leak ck, how do you plan on
repairing any leaks ????
Fritz
"mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net" <mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net> wrote:
Hi from Arizona.
I went to test my 601XL fuel tank for leaks and the sender unit. With fuel in
the tank, I am getting no ohms from the sender unit. Empty the tank and I get
ohms! Is this because tank isn't grounded? (it isn't in the wing yet) Any thoughts
out there? Thanks in advance.
Mike
N445ML
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| Subject: | Re: Longeron bending question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Hi Larry,
My 601XL kit came with pre-bent longerons. They are currently lying under my
work table so I see them all the time. There may be some other pieces to bend
(haven't gotten that far yet) but there are a couple of extruded angles that
were supplied to me already bent.
Ed Moody II
> >> From: LHusky@aol.com
Can you KIT BUILDERS tell
> >> me if yours came already formed in the kit? I don't think they do,
> >> but have
> >> not called and asked. Any help would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Larry Husky
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system poser |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Hi Guys,
Even with high mounted external auxillary tanks on my ultra-not-so-light, I have
found that a bubble in the line can sit there obstinately defying the pressure
of the fuel which seemingly should push it on down the tube.
What is apparently happening is that the bubble is trying to "rise" as it would
it a large container so it resists the downward, gravity induced flow in the
line. As long as that continues, the bubble acts as a partial obstruction requiring
the fuel to flow around it. The effective cross-sectional area of the line
is drasticallt reduced and very little fuel flows past the bubble at a ridiculously
slow rate.
That phenomenon is why I have chosen to put a fuel pump near each wing tank in
my 601XL, hoping that the pressure of the pump will be more effective at moving
the bubble through the line if/when it happens. The bubbles I'm most concerned
with are the ones caused by warm gasohol vaporizing under low pressure on the
suction side of the pump.
Ed Moody II
---- Joe and Joan <jnjkimbell@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe and Joan" <jnjkimbell@hotmail.com>
>
I hope I am correct in believing that on a gravity feed 2
> tank system, that when one goes dry, the fuel in the tank with remaining
> fuel will overcome any air (forcing air into empty tank) and the weight of
> the fuel will feed engine.
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: fred sanford <sonar1@cox.net>
> >
> > Hi guys:
> > I've got 70 hours on my CH701, and loving it, but I have a real poser for
> > you thinkers.
> > On two flights, one fuel tank has failed to feed. I landed once with ten
> > gallons on one side, and two on the other. Today, it was 8 on one side,
> > and one gallon on the other. And they were different tanks! Once the right
> > one, and once the left!
> > There is a bubble in the line of the tank that is not feeding.> > What could
be simpler? Two high tanks with lines to the gascolator,
> > through the fuel filter, and to the engine.
> > Am I flying sideways? I'm stumped!!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
Hi List,
If I will manage to finish my HDS and fly in this lifetime [Rolling Eyes]
I will give a detailed flight report here. Meanwhile I have to dream and stay with
the statistics. I bought a used firewall forward kit consisting of a Grob
2500, a Hoffmann inflight adjustable prop, mount and cowling. It is basically
a souped up "type 4" VW Bus engine (90HP) that used to haul around a Grob G109
touring motorglider and its MTOW of 825kg. This is a German production aircraft.
Many other types of 2 seater TMG's fly around here behind "certified" VW
conversions. Because of its popularity here in way heavier planes than my HDS,
I don't expect any performance problems.
Given that, I have to say Zenith/VW is uncommon in Europe because the very most
of them are factory built UL with Roax engines.
Greetings from Germany
Peter
HDS TD VW
Tail done Wings in progress
www.petersprojekt42.de
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| Subject: | Just Couldn't Resist / Checking XL Parts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "AZFlyer" <millrML@AOL.com>
"I cut some of the parts three times, and they're still too short!" ???
do not archive
--------
Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
601 XL, 3300
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets: Update on where to buy |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "norriedh" <norried@shaw.ca>
There is no online ordering that i could find for Textron Avdel Canada, you just
phone the number i gave and ask for Avdel rivet to get that order desk. Ask
for what you need and give address and credit card details, takes about a week
for delivery. Douglas N
[quote="lrepilot(at)yahoo.com"]what is the web address for buying these online?
I
called Canada, they referred me to NC, who referred me
to an outfit in California who wanted $US 0.08 ech for
the A4 rivet, and had to call back east for P&D on the
A5 size.
Ken
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| Subject: | Rilsan Polyamide Tubing: How to heat bend? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "norriedh" <norried@shaw.ca>
Anyone know how to heat bend Rilsan Polyamide tubing? I want to take the strain
off a bend --- am using this tubing for a Visual Fuel Indicator ('gauge glass').
Rilsan is the trade name for Arkema made polyamide -- their website indicates
the tubing can be "thermoformed for small bend radii" for brake tubes etc
-- but no info on how to do. The melting point is about 180 deg C so a heat gun
would need careful use. Maybe boiling water (100 deg C) would do?
Thanks Douglas N
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EMS and Corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
Larry,
There have been a few reports of people using the
EMS-D10 and D120 on Corvair engines. Currently we do
not officially support the engine, but there is
nothing barring it from working. Feel free to call
with your questions as I am not an engine probe
expert.
(425)402-0433 - Dynon Avionics
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics - 601XL Builder w/ Corvair
--- LHusky@aol.com wrote:
> Has anyone used any of the Dynon EMS systems with a
> Corvair. I am wondering
> if the Jabiru 3300 probe kit can be converted for
> the Corvair. Thanks for
> the information
>
> Larry Husky
> Building Fuse
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rilsan Polyamide Tubing: How to heat bend? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
No experience with Rilsan but I have made many bends in Plexiglas using a heat
gun and had no problems at all. Do you have some waste material to experiment
on?
Ed Moody II
---- norriedh <norried@shaw.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "norriedh" <norried@shaw.ca>
>
> Anyone know how to heat bend Rilsan Polyamide tubing? I want to take the strain
off a bend --- am using this tubing for a Visual Fuel Indicator ('gauge glass').
Rilsan is the trade name for Arkema made polyamide -- their website indicates
the tubing can be "thermoformed for small bend radii" for brake tubes etc
-- but no info on how to do. The melting point is about 180 deg C so a heat
gun would need careful use. Maybe boiling water (100 deg C) would do?
>
> Thanks Douglas N
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=43977#43977
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Longeron bending question |
In a message dated 6/30/2006 6:27:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
larry@macsmachine.com writes:
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/longeronmarkup.gif
WOW Larry!! Those look great!! See ya soon!!! LOL!!!
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| Subject: | Re: source for gas springs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
You know guys. Sometimes we carry this cheap scratch
building thing a bit too far. These springs are $21
for a set of 2 direct from Zenith. You get the right
ones with no hassle of hunting around and it is just a
phone call and credit card away. Sure - if they were
for your Piper they would be $150 apiece but Chris
always tries to make things as inexpensive and simple
as possible for builders.
I guess the message is this. If you have to source
something - just check with Zenith first to find out
if it is even an expensive part (to buy direct from
them) before you spend hours in the internet sourcing
parts that "may" be able to do the trick.
Just my two cents.
David
do not archive
--- Dave Thompson <dave.thompson@verizon.net> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I have read that some of you are upgrading to a
> front tilt canopy. You will
> need some gas springs.
>
>
>
> I just found a cool website. Check it out.
>
>
>
> http://www.Surpluscenter.com.
>
>
>
> I don't know the specs for the gas springs but check
> out this link and see
> if they have something that will work:
>
>
>
>
http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?UID 06062919344392
>
<http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?UID 06062919344392&catname=misc&key
> word=XG11> &catname=misc&keyword=XG11
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave Thompson
>
> dave.thompson@verizon.net
>
>
>
>
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: source for gas springs |
Zenith can be a good source for parts at a reasonable price, but they can also
be the most expensive source as well. They sell the 601XL Gear Brackets for
$82.10 each. Yes, they require some work to fabricate, but you can pick up
all the materials for a set of two for less than $28. One of the reasons many
of us are building from scratch is to avoid paying the markup that any company
is rightfully going to charge. Yeah, Zenith has the gas springs, but you can
GUARANTEE their supplier has them for less. Zenith doesn't buy in such quantity
as to get a very big discount above what we'll be paying.
Every time someone posts a message looking for something from a source other
than Zenith, someone seems to take offense to it. Zenith is a great company,
they just happen to be playing middle-man in some cases.
David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: David
Barth
You know guys. Sometimes we carry this cheap scratch
building thing a bit too far. These springs are $21
for a set of 2 direct from Zenith. You get the right
ones with no hassle of hunting around and it is just a
phone call and credit card away. Sure - if they were
for your Piper they would be $150 apiece but Chris
always tries to make things as inexpensive and simple
as possible for builders.
I guess the message is this. If you have to source
something - just check with Zenith first to find out
if it is even an expensive part (to buy direct from
them) before you spend hours in the internet sourcing
parts that "may" be able to do the trick.
Just my two cents.
David
do not archive
--- Dave Thompson wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I have read that some of you are upgrading to a
> front tilt canopy. You will
> need some gas springs.
>
>
>
> I just found a cool website. Check it out.
>
>
>
> http://www.Surpluscenter.com.
>
>
>
> I don't know the specs for the gas springs but check
> out this link and see
> if they have something that will work:
>
>
>
>
http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?UID 06062919344392
>
> word=XG11> &catname=misc&keyword=XG11
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave Thompson
>
> dave.thompson@verizon.net
>
>
>
>
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: source for gas springs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Hi David, would those gas springs fit for the 701 bubble doors?
J.P.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:47 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> You know guys. Sometimes we carry this cheap scratch
> building thing a bit too far. These springs are $21
> for a set of 2 direct from Zenith. You get the right
> ones with no hassle of hunting around and it is just a
> phone call and credit card away. Sure - if they were
> for your Piper they would be $150 apiece but Chris
> always tries to make things as inexpensive and simple
> as possible for builders.
>
> I guess the message is this. If you have to source
> something - just check with Zenith first to find out
> if it is even an expensive part (to buy direct from
> them) before you spend hours in the internet sourcing
> parts that "may" be able to do the trick.
> Just my two cents.
> David
> do not archive
>
> --- Dave Thompson <dave.thompson@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > I have read that some of you are upgrading to a
> > front tilt canopy. You will
> > need some gas springs.
> >
> >
> >
> > I just found a cool website. Check it out.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.Surpluscenter.com.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know the specs for the gas springs but check
> > out this link and see
> > if they have something that will work:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?UID 06062919344392
> >
>
<http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?UID 06062919344392&catname=misc&key
> > word=XG11> &catname=misc&keyword=XG11
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave Thompson
> >
> > dave.thompson@verizon.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
> Working on Wings
> www.ch601.org
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Don't forget Ram engines for a really good Soob conversion
either...150HP...yes please...:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:23 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
For those folks still trying to figure out which engine they may want to
use on the 601XL, you might want to check out the July issue of AOPA.
It has an article on the three leading engines for the LightSport
planes-----Continental O-200, Rotax 912s ,and Jabiru.
George May
601XL 912s
_________________________________________________________________
Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
The manufacturers documentation ...See there are reasons not to throw out
all that junk;^}
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Frank Roskind
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:41 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gauges
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Roskind"
> <frankroskind@hotmail.com>
>
> This brings to mind a question I have had for quite a while.
> Is there a
> source for installed weights of various instruments and radios?
>
>
>
> I Agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I assembled my panel
> and"complete" it weighed
> in at 43 lbs..
> do not archive
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> -- "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija"
> <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
>
> I can't wait, that I get my plane ready to fly :)
>
> It was surprising, how much this instrument panel weights.
>
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Checking XL parts (plans building) LONG (can delete) |
Gary-
You'd better fill out my questionnaire!! The "Great help of Internet
lists" is the whole point I'm trying to get across.
Contact me offline for a questionnaire or I'm coming down
and............. STAYING AT YOUR HOUSE FOR VACATION!!
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Checking XL parts (plans building) LONG (can
delete)
Do not archive.
Hello Tom,
Personal experience, you can delete or read on as you want, hope it
helps you to get the "sweet and rewarding feeling of home building" and
flying your own "Creation".
Sure, lots of improvement can be done to any set of plans and kits in
the market. But that also goes hand by hand with COST and
availability... If we are building a kit or plans built airplane,
instead of buying a new C-182 IFR "glass" panel or a pressurized
Lancair (built by professionals "kit" assemblers), is because final cost
of our airplane IS important.
In my point of view, given that I have already built 6 airplanes (now
building # 7) all of them in different materials (1 tube and cloth, 2
wood, 1 composite, 1 with aluminum ladders (yes, is true), 1 aluminum
(701) and now building a 601 XL . I have gone also though several set
of plans, some can only be named "instructive sketches" instead of
plans, also most of this were built by me before the great help of
Internet lists!!! (now we can ask how could we build one without this
GREAT help)...
Building from plans (earlier in time called blueprints) is (was) for
sure more a FUN and LEARNING process that a "Lego fit and push"
assembly process, like a computer desk we buy at Home Depot in a box...
When I built my first airplane, it was a wood construction type, made
from raw material (VP-1). My experience with wood at that time, was
only making a camp fire :-) Several times during the building
process I wanted to burn it,,, But with help of a local builder friend
and lots of persistence, the plane was completed, flown and is still
flying (new owner, cant keep all my toys :-(
The important part of building a plane is, once you decided the type
of flying and the plane you are going to build, is Think Positive
Always!
The average of plans built completed projects is about 10% (kits can
be a little higher because they are LOTS more easy to built).
But if you don't stand in front of your project with a smile, every
day you are going to start work on it, and try to solve with patience
and will all the (little, once they are solved) problems you encounter,
please don't start any project, there are enough of partial built
airplanes in garages and at e-bay to add one more... when you see your
parts you have completed, imagine the complete airplane with you flying
inside the cabin...
There is a very "romantic" builder in the Club that once made this
similarity at a hangar talk one evening:
Think of your project like an affair with a pretty women that you cant
get her image away from your mind.... A good affair, one that you will
really enjoy.
When you receive your kit, is like the first time you ask her to
dinner, and the maiden flight is when you take her out for a weekend
the first time :-0 ... If you enjoy the "building" process, is
interesting and demanding, you will fly her lots of years with
happiness, or the other way if you don't want to go to all this
process, you just need to "call" (the local FBO) and "rent" one
(C-150) any Saturday ;-) :-) :-)
Another point we have to take in account is, that any home built, is
the brain child of a designer, most of them are designed around their
flying needs and most (not the Zenith case of course) the plans are
drawn from building sketches and memory once the plane is flying and
people around start asking for plans (at least this is what used to be
in the beguining of homebuilding)... so they can be not "that"
perfectly accurate.
The kit build airplane is far more elaborate, there is always a team
working with the Designer, to improve the actual designs, they use their
experience, knowledge and the comments from builders (our comments and
complains help a lot) to make this improvements, but we all have to be
part of this happy group, remember we are the "Ten Per Centers Builder
and Flying Group" so this makes US very exclusive!
Another good thing is that the Factory (anyone) is in constant
improvement, and the Designer (most of the cases a Genius) is always
thinking and designing a new kit. See Zenith, RV and some other
serious kit manufacturers as example... They never stop bringing new
designs, so we always receive great support, not only while building,
but also the time we keep our girlfriend (oops, airplane) :-) :-)
Welcome to the group and enjoy your "half full" glass of water... (is
not half empty, off course).
Saludos
Gary "Compulsive Builder" Gower :-)
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Tom and Bren Henderson <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
You'd be surprised at how many discrepancies you find when you
start laying the 601XL out in a 3D CAD package for fabrication. Skins
run off at strange angles to spars, parts are miss-aligned by more than
an inch or two, etc. Obviously the airplane can be built safely and
soundly using the existing plans, but it would sure be nice if we didn't
have to fire up the thinking noodle every time we start a new part.
Whatever happened to good, quality CAD work?
dredmoody@cox.net wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
A lot of the parts come to us needing to be trimmed or cut to
length. The recent posts regarding the fuel filler cap flange not
screwing down far enough to make contact with the nose skin for
instance. Another example would be the
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| Subject: | Re: Still need some more |
naumuk@alltel.net
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From: Bill Steer
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Still need some more
What's your email address, Bill?
Bill
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From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:06 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Still need some more
All-
Still need 9 questionnaire responses. Contact me off-line if you
need the questionnaire.
Thanks.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Wing Channels (Scratch Builder Question) |
Thanks for the replies guys. Once again the list comes through. I appreciate the
help.
Debo Cox
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system poser |
In a message dated 6/29/2006 10:06:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
mike.sinclair@ATT.NET writes:
Suspect what may be happening is that even with the vented caps and the
tanks up high, there is not enough actual pressure from fuel depth to
overcome a bubble in the line up in the wing root ar
Both comments cite use of vented caps.
Question. Are the caps the P.N. E-482-000 as specified by 7-V-11? If so, do
they have the additional vent, a 1/8 in hole drilled through the cap by the
builder?
If not, what is the exact configuration of the caps in use during the no fuel
feed problem?
Regards, Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Wing Channel in Fuselage |
In my ZAC pictoral instructions, I have looked and looked for advice on
clecoing (or riveting) the rear channel in the fuselage (6B5-2) to the bottom
fuselage skin, and find nothing. I know, from the drawings, that it requires A5s
at pitch 40, but no clue as to when in the process it should be done. Anyone
have an answer for me?
Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage.
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| Subject: | Jon Croke unfortunate incident again |
Hi Rick,
Have you made any progress on your 701 since your move to Sharpsburg?
My project is at the wiring stage. I hope to get something done this
weekend.
Take care,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick R
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:17 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jon Croke unfortunate incident again
EAA chapter 6 just got four DVDs added to their library !
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Rick
Sharpsburg, GA. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Checking XL parts |
Hello Jay,
But work and cut with care, Some parts are made longer in propouse (sp?) because
they have to be fitted in some built stage. Is better to adjust the lenght
of the piece that to repeat the fuselage :-) (still not buildng the fuselage
myself, so no truth advise yet)
Remember messure twice (or 3 times) and cut one... Is more dificult to add
5mm to a part cut wrong that to trim 20mm.
Smile, from the extra material left, you have some scratch material you can
sell to the recicler and buy some gas... once you finished your airplane...
Just a joke :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Getting ready to fly tomorrow the 701 at Chapala, Mexico.
Building a 601 XL.
Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
I have, sadly, found several parts, supplied in my kit from ZAC, that have been
cut to the wrong lengths. Most recently, the fuselage-wing rear channel and
the upper seat back support were cut too long and had to be trimmed. The manual
clearly says to measure 1120mm, out to out of the upper forward lngerons
at the location of the upper seat back support. The part must fit inside to inside
of the longerons and the part measures 1150mm, clearly in error.
The moral of the story is: you must check the size of parts supplied by ZAC, and
trim if necessary to get them to fit properly.
Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Checking XL parts |
Gary, It is not a big problem, just a "watch out" for those coming along
after. Mistakes in the fabricated kit parts, drawings and instructions can get
tiresome, though and time-wasters. I discovered another one just this morning.
The drawings show the out to out width of the upper longerons at the
instrument panel location at 990 mm. The instructions say to set the width of
the
longerons with an extrusion clamped across the longerons. However, the panel is
920 mm out to out and the ends of the instrument panel are supposed to be 28 mm
from the outside edge of the longerons. 920 + 28 + 28 = 976. That was
actually the out to out of my longerons without any adjustments. Just took a while
to figure out what was wrong. So, as you say, I just smiled and went on to
the next thing; checking and checking and having a ball!
Buenos noches - Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER |
List
I have been folowing the thread on "the bubble & the gravity flow fuel system.
I would recommend puting a modified vented fuel cap like is shown in, Tony
Bingelis' book, THE SPORTPLANE BUILDER on page 271.
In my opinion (not worth much) Tony Bingelis is to homebuilding airplanes, as
William Wynne is to Corvair engine conversions: Both experts in their fields.
For those who don't know: Tony Bingelis' 4 book set can be purchased from
Aircraft Spruce for about $75--------- in my 2004/2005 catalog they are listed
on page 623----- one heck of a deal--- you can buy them individually for about
$20.00----------By buying this set "Tony" could save you that $75 many times
over.
I am not rich by any means!!!! I do not have a "library" of aircraft books,
but I do feel: Tony Bingelis' set of 4 and STICK AND RUDDER should be owned by
everyone building and flying an airplane.
Heck, maybe this advice is worh 10 cents ???
Fritz ---Corvair---601XLscratch building---- 90/90
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Wing Channels (Scratch Builder Question) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Hey Debo,
I am getting ready to tackle the wings also and in doing some research I came up
with this link in the archives:
The pictures show how Herb Heaton made a 12' long press brake and made his parts.
I am thinking of going along these same lines.
I am currently sidetracked tearing down what looks like a 110 corvair motor.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=44082#44082
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| Subject: | Jon Croke ~ Please read all of it |
Hi Folks, just an update, below is a picture of Jon=92s plane. I=92m
sure by
now most of you have gone to visit the previous links and have viewed
the offending tree that he got caught on. Jon is an excellent pilot with
many 100=92s of hours of flight experience and as you may have seen from
another previous link he knows the 701 well and can sit it on a strip
even better then I can. However, Jon does have a streak of ill fortune
in his life it would seem. His first accident was due to an engine
modification in which he shared with this list admitting his mistake and
in fact making 3 other people who did similar modifications aware of the
possible dangers. From time to time Jon has also cautioned new builders
of this carb modification to the Rotax whenever it came up on this list.
Though I do most of the work on the HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch701.com/"www.ch701.com and HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org websites they are owned by Jon and
paid for by him, not to advertise his products which you can find at
HYPERLINK "http://www.homebuilthelp.com/"www.homebuilthelp.com or to
show his project off to the world. These websites are strictly for you
builders out there to find and source tips, tricks and learn
information. This all boils down to saving the building community a vast
amount of money and time in there pursuit of a dream of owning a plane.
As Jon recovered from his first accident and started his re-build he
realized that videos geared towards any builder but aimed at mostly
Zenith builders would once again be a great boost in knowledge and a
major shortcut in learning time. Hence the start of HYPERLINK
"http://www.homebuilthelp.com/"www.homebuilthelp.com But the videos (
his sole source of income now) did not take over the builders websites,
you were not accosted with advertisement (except for the two weeks of
the scratch builders release, but that was mainly my vanity showing as
one of the presenters). Jon is a man of few pleasures in life, his dream
of flying his 701 is the sole direction of his desire. I was talking
with Jon tonight and he is improving and hopes to move the plane into
the workshop this weekend with a lot of help and start the process of
re-building once again. Jon informs me that he sold an extra 10 DVD=92s
today above normal volume and whishes to offer deep thanks for those who
spent a few dollars to help out. I would like to hear from those who
purchased the DVD=92s and take a second to thank them individually, also
to let other members on this list know that they are getting value for
their dollars. David and I will be donating several skins and our 701
wings to Jon to help him out in this time of hardship and another
builder on this list not only purchased DVDS=92s but also donated a
Firewall and the steel cage structure for the 701 fuselage. Seldom would
a person build an identical plane a 3rd time but Jon is an exception. I
would really like to ask all of you to please take a few minutes to
visit Jon=92s site at HYPERLINK
"http://www.homebuilthelp.com/"www.homebuilthelp.com and pick up a DVD.
Their not expensive and one or two would make a GREAT donation to your
local EAA or RAA chapter library if you don=92t feel you can utilize
them
yourself. I hate asking for donations guys, and I hate being asked to
give to strangers but Like this Matronics list in which we donate to
each year Jon is like a family member ( I feel like that for most of you
on this list)and has provided many useful tips and help over many years
to all of us. A little help for a family member can go a long way here,
plus you get a great DVD out of it and Jon will even sign it at Oshkosh
if you bring it along.
Plus one thing you truly have to admit! Crashing a 701 through the trees
and walking away without a scratch could be an absolute stroke of luck.
But dropping a 701 60ft out of the air and not a single broken bone has
got to prove A LOT to the strength of this little bird! Plus we can now
refer to Jon as Jon =93CRASH TEST=94 Croke !!!!
Cdngoose
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| Subject: | Jon Croke ~ Please read all of it |
Hi Folks, just an update, below is a picture of Jon=92s plane. I=92m
sure by
now most of you have gone to visit the previous links and have viewed
the offending tree that he got caught on. Jon is an excellent pilot with
many 100=92s of hours of flight experience and as you may have seen from
another previous link he knows the 701 well and can sit it on a strip
even better then I can. However, Jon does have a streak of ill fortune
in his life it would seem. His first accident was due to an engine
modification in which he shared with this list admitting his mistake and
in fact making 3 other people who did similar modifications aware of the
possible dangers. From time to time Jon has also cautioned new builders
of this carb modification to the Rotax whenever it came up on this list.
Though I do most of the work on the HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch701.com/"www.ch701.com and HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org websites they are owned by Jon and
paid for by him, not to advertise his products which you can find at
HYPERLINK "http://www.homebuilthelp.com/"www.homebuilthelp.com or to
show his project off to the world. These websites are strictly for you
builders out there to find and source tips, tricks and learn
information. This all boils down to saving the building community a vast
amount of money and time in there pursuit of a dream of owning a plane.
As Jon recovered from his first accident and started his re-build he
realized that videos geared towards any builder but aimed at mostly
Zenith builders would once again be a great boost in knowledge and a
major shortcut in learning time. Hence the start of HYPERLINK
"http://www.homebuilthelp.com/"www.homebuilthelp.com But the videos (
his sole source of income now) did not take over the builders websites,
you were not accosted with advertisement (except for the two weeks of
the scratch builders release, but that was mainly my vanity showing as
one of the presenters). Jon is a man of few pleasures in life, his dream
of flying his 701 is the sole direction of his desire. I was talking
with Jon tonight and he is improving and hopes to move the plane into
the workshop this weekend with a lot of help and start the process of
re-building once again. Jon informs me that he sold an extra 10 DVD=92s
today above normal volume and whishes to offer deep thanks for those who
spent a few dollars to help out. I would like to hear from those who
purchased the DVD=92s and take a second to thank them individually, also
to let other members on this list know that they are getting value for
their dollars. David and I will be donating several skins and our 701
wings to Jon to help him out in this time of hardship and another
builder on this list not only purchased DVDS=92s but also donated a
Firewall and the steel cage structure for the 701 fuselage. Seldom would
a person build an identical plane a 3rd time but Jon is an exception. I
would really like to ask all of you to please take a few minutes to
visit Jon=92s site at HYPERLINK
"http://www.homebuilthelp.com/"www.homebuilthelp.com and pick up a DVD.
Their not expensive and one or two would make a GREAT donation to your
local EAA or RAA chapter library if you don=92t feel you can utilize
them
yourself. I hate asking for donations guys, and I hate being asked to
give to strangers but Like this Matronics list in which we donate to
each year Jon is like a family member ( I feel like that for most of you
on this list)and has provided many useful tips and help over many years
to all of us. A little help for a family member can go a long way here,
plus you get a great DVD out of it and Jon will even sign it at Oshkosh
if you bring it along.
Plus one thing you truly have to admit! Crashing a 701 through the trees
and walking away without a scratch could be an absolute stroke of luck.
But dropping a 701 60ft out of the air and not a single broken bone has
got to prove A LOT to the strength of this little bird! Plus we can now
refer to Jon as Jon =93CRASH TEST=94 Croke !!!!
Cdngoose
do not archive
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| Subject: | John - Say it ain't so! |
Another picture of Jon's plane, look at how intact the seating area is.
I will post any more on the website after the weekend, and send this
list a message.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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