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1. 12:30 AM - aerial photography (Ron Miller)
2. 01:13 AM - Re: aerial photography (Craig Payne)
3. 02:54 AM - Re: aerial photography (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 03:09 AM - Folding Wings for 701 (martyn@flight.co.za)
5. 04:58 AM - Re:Folding Wings (Zed Smith)
6. 05:28 AM - Re: aerial photography (Mike Fothergill)
7. 06:01 AM - Re: aerial photography (Gary Boothe)
8. 06:05 AM - Re: aerial photography (Michael Valentine)
9. 06:13 AM - Rear Z-spar (Gary Boothe)
10. 06:14 AM - Re: Homemade AOA help (Craig Moore)
11. 07:23 AM - Re: Engine decisions getting easier (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 07:28 AM - Re: Fuel pump puzzle (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 07:48 AM - Re: Engine decisions getting easier (Cory Emberson)
14. 07:58 AM - Z spar (Bill Naumuk)
15. 08:08 AM - Re: Engine decisions getting easier (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
16. 08:08 AM - Writing started (Bill Naumuk)
17. 08:17 AM - Re: Z spar (Gary Boothe)
18. 08:48 AM - Re: Rudder Needed (Steve Hulland)
19. 08:50 AM - Re: Homemade AOA help (Roger Roy)
20. 09:10 AM - Re: Folding Wings for 701 (Tommy Walker)
21. 09:31 AM - Re: aerial photography (Tommy Walker)
22. 09:38 AM - Access panel for strobe light installation (Martin Pohl)
23. 09:48 AM - Re: Engine decisions getting easier (Roger Venables)
24. 09:48 AM - Re: Writing started (Roger Venables)
25. 10:04 AM - Re: Access panel for strobe light installation (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
26. 10:13 AM - Re: Engine decisions getting easier (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
27. 10:13 AM - Re: Z spar (David Mikesell)
28. 10:27 AM - Re: Access panel for strobe light installation (Michael Valentine)
29. 10:54 AM - Re: Access panel for strobe light installation (Jaybannist@cs.com)
30. 11:48 AM - Fuse side access panel on a CH-701 (MacDonald Doug)
31. 12:04 PM - Re: Writing started (Bill Naumuk)
32. 12:07 PM - Re: Z spar (Bill Naumuk)
33. 12:31 PM - Re: Access panel for strobe light installation (Al Young)
34. 01:42 PM - Re: Access panel for strobe light installation (Gig Giacona)
35. 02:16 PM - Re: Writing started (Roger Venables)
36. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Re: Fuel System Poser - solved!/ really?? :-) Danger joke (Edward Moody II)
37. 03:03 PM - It's official (jsimons2)
38. 03:18 PM - Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate, Part II (John Bolding)
39. 03:51 PM - Aileron Trim (Randy Bryant)
40. 04:15 PM - Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate, Part II (Tom and Bren Henderson)
41. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: Re: Access panel for strobe light installation ()
42. 04:43 PM - Re: Access panel for strobe light installation (Randy)
43. 04:47 PM - Re: Aileron Trim (Bill Naumuk)
44. 04:56 PM - 3 away (Bill Naumuk)
45. 05:13 PM - Re: Access panel for strobe light installation (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
46. 05:21 PM - Re: It's official (Gary Boothe)
47. 05:32 PM - Re: Aileron Trim (Al Young)
48. 06:35 PM - Re: It's official (Bill Naumuk)
49. 06:35 PM - Re: Aileron Trim (LHusky@aol.com)
50. 06:48 PM - Re: Aileron Trim (Randy Bryant)
51. 07:05 PM - Re: Re:Folding Wings (NYTerminat@aol.com)
52. 07:55 PM - Re: Writing started (Bob Percival)
53. 07:55 PM - Flanging tool (LHusky@aol.com)
54. 07:56 PM - Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate, Part II (Noel Loveys)
55. 08:00 PM - Re: Fuel pump puzzle (Michel Therrien)
56. 08:28 PM - Re: Flanging tool (Randy L. Thwing)
57. 10:17 PM - Hello? (Dan)
58. 10:34 PM - Re: Flanging tool (Tom and Bren Henderson)
59. 10:34 PM - Re: Flanging tool (Tom and Bren Henderson)
60. 10:49 PM - 601 XL For sale (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
61. 11:50 PM - Re: Flanging tool (Christopher Smith)
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| Subject: | aerial photography |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Miller <flystol@bluebottle.com>
Hello all,
New to the list - have been reading for several days to get the feel -
lots of great info / experience to draw from!
I am wondering if anyone has attempted to build in an aerial photo
window into the wing of a 601XL. I am thinking to make a cutout in
the lower skin within one of the wing locker compartments, insert a
plexiglass window and rig up a holder within the compartment for a
digital camera. Has anyone heard of a setup like this before?
Thanks,
Ron
San Deigo (Rudder Kit complete)
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| Subject: | aerial photography |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I plan to do this but place the camera behind the right seat in my 601XL.
Like many my digital camera (Sony DSC-F717) has a real-time video output and
remote control. Using one of the small composite video monitors intended for
cars I can frame the shots before I take them. My camera is somewhat old but
I'll also be able to shoot short video clips.
I suspect I'll have to place a small lip upstream from the window to keep
oil etc off of it.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Miller
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:07 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Miller <flystol@bluebottle.com>
Hello all,
New to the list - have been reading for several days to get the feel - lots
of great info / experience to draw from!
I am wondering if anyone has attempted to build in an aerial photo window
into the wing of a 601XL. I am thinking to make a cutout in the lower skin
within one of the wing locker compartments, insert a plexiglass window and
rig up a holder within the compartment for a digital camera. Has anyone
heard of a setup like this before?
Thanks,
Ron
San Deigo (Rudder Kit complete)
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| Subject: | Re: aerial photography |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Ron,
The conventional place for such an installation is in the fuselage
rather than the wing. Perhaps the baggage compartment would be a good choice.
Paul
XL fuselage
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>I am wondering if anyone has attempted to build in an aerial photo
>window into the wing of a 601XL. I am thinking to make a cutout in
>the lower skin within one of the wing locker compartments, insert a
>plexiglass window and rig up a holder within the compartment for a
>digital camera. Has anyone heard of a setup like this before?
>
>
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| Subject: | Folding Wings for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
Hi Ya'll.
I recieved the "drawings" for the Folding wing option for the 701 the
other day. If anybody out there has ordered the same, then you'll know
what I mean by when I say "a bit vague"!
Has anyone started on, or completed a folding wing conversion and perhaps
taken photos of the process? If you have, it would really help if I can
take a look and try and match the drawings too the pictures!
Happy Building
Martyn
Scratch Build 701
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| Subject: | Re:Folding Wings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
I cannot recall what the substance was that I apparently was under the influence
of when I stupidly purchased the "folding wing option".
Bottom line: After you get all the parts fitted to make wings, fuselage, tail feathers,
etc; and have all these bolted together to resemble an airplane you will
see that aforesaid option is not what you may have envisioned.
Others may view this feature differently, but I'd not reccomend it.
Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: aerial photography |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi;
I have had good success taking still digital pics and video through the
tinted canopy. Both air to air and air to ground.
Mike
CH-601HDS 1200+ hours
UHS Spinners
Paul Mulwitz wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
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> Hi Ron,
>
> The conventional place for such an installation is in the fuselage
> rather than the wing. Perhaps the baggage compartment would be a good
> choice.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> do not archive
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>
>> I am wondering if anyone has attempted to build in an aerial photo
>> window into the wing of a 601XL. I am thinking to make a cutout in
>> the lower skin within one of the wing locker compartments, insert a
>> plexiglass window and rig up a holder within the compartment for a
>> digital camera. Has anyone heard of a setup like this before?
>>
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| Subject: | aerial photography |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Ron,
You apparently want to take pictures of what you are flying OVER. While the
wing locker seems like a good, remote location, keep in mind that the bottom
of the wing is a high pressure area and you may want to design your looking
glass with that in mind. My first thought would be to keep the plexiglass on
the outside of the skin, with a mounting flange that covers the edges and
streamlines it somewhat.
A couple years ago someone posted a group of pictures detailing a "door" in
the bottom of the cockpit for flour bombing or something. I thought I saved
it, but can't find it immediately. Maybe someone else on the list has it. It
may have even been for camera mounting!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Miller <flystol@bluebottle.com>
Hello all,
New to the list - have been reading for several days to get the feel -
lots of great info / experience to draw from!
I am wondering if anyone has attempted to build in an aerial photo
window into the wing of a 601XL. I am thinking to make a cutout in
the lower skin within one of the wing locker compartments, insert a
plexiglass window and rig up a holder within the compartment for a
digital camera. Has anyone heard of a setup like this before?
Thanks,
Ron
San Deigo (Rudder Kit complete)
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| Subject: | Re: aerial photography |
I am eventually planning on something like this to make a camera attachment:
http://www.ch701.com/Builders%20Resources/flour_bomb/flour_bomb.htm
Michael Valentine
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On 7/5/06, Ron Miller <flystol@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Miller <flystol@bluebottle.com>
>
> I am wondering if anyone has attempted to build in an aerial photo
> window into the wing of a 601XL. I am thinking to make a cutout in
> the lower skin within one of the wing locker compartments, insert a
> plexiglass window and rig up a holder within the compartment for a
> digital camera. Has anyone heard of a setup like this before?
>
> Ron
>
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List,
Last Saturday I posted a 911 explaining that I had mis-cut my left wing
Z-spar (HDS) as if it were for the right wing. Of course there was no saving
the spar, but Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal Bending Brake bailed me out. I
picked up the parts on Monday afternoon, built most of the brake, and
finished the brake after the obligatory July 4th BBQ.
I took me less than 15 minutes to re-bend the spar. Success the first time
out of the gate, too! I'm not much of a scrounger, so I paid premium for the
parts, and, believe me, it was considerably more that $75. Still, according
to Bill Naumuk, I about broke even if I had ordered that part from ZAC. Now
the brake gets cheaper with every bend!
To date I have used ZAC supplied kits for the tail and wings, but have
decided to finish the rest as a scratch build. Dave's brake got me over a
huge mental hurdle as I have little room for more tools, and less money.
BTW - anyone who needs a right wing HDS rear spar can have it for the
shipping (from N. Calif).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
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| Subject: | Re: Homemade AOA help |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Moore <moorecomp@yahoo.com>
Michael,
I believe you will find the poly tubing used for
hooking up the icemaker in your fridge/freezer may be
the correct size. I saw that it is listed as 1/4" O.D.
at Ace Hardware.
Craig Moore
--- Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael
> Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
>
> To those of you that have made your AOA from the
> plans at CH601.org:
> I had Scott make me a probe and now I have to find
> the tubing to fit.
> The drawing says 3/16 plastic tubing - I have
> finally figured that
> 3/16 must be the I/D, correct?
>
> Assuming that is correct, I have found vinyl tubing
> that is 5/16 O/D
> and 3/16 I/D, but I wanted to use more rigid tubing,
> like
> polyethylene. Has anyone found that kind of tubing
> at a HomeDepot or
> such? I have looked at places like Wicks and
> Aircraft Spruce - they
> often don't list an inner diameter - at least I have
> had trouble
> figuring which one is correct.
>
> If you have rigged your probe and gauge, please let
> me know what kind
> of tubing you used and, if possible, your source.
>
> Thanks, Michael Valentine
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Engine decisions getting easier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Just a point but the term "Stratus" was not used (or at least it had
better not have been!) at any point in the article.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LarryMcFarland
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 3:53 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland
--> <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hi Guys,
This month's Kit Planes Magazine was a real value. Frank Hinde wrote a
very honest and candid article on the Stratus Subaru EA81 that was
extremely well done. A BD5 was also featured with a Subaru EA81 that
could have kept Jim Bede out of Bankruptcy. Also the $10K Rev Master
3000 was featured in the same magazine. When this engine gets into
production, its price/performance will seriously eat into the Jabaru and
Rotax market. Really worth while reading, especially those of you that
haven't decided on an engine just yet.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Fuel pump puzzle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I assume there is a bypass around the firewall pump? Or are you pumping
through it?
If your pumping through it you might try removing this pump altogether
(really is not necessary anyway) at least temporarily. It maybe that the
little checkvalve on the third pump may be acting up.
Either that or it sounds like a venting issue.
In the HDS I had a 40106 pump in each wing root and that always gave me
5psi or so at the carb inlet.
What do you use for filtration?...Filters plugging?
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Therrien
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:54 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Test test test... no response yet...
Anybody here using Facet pumps?
>
> Good morning!
>
> I recently discovered that my fuel pumps are less efficient in flight.
> Fuel pressure (which is measured at the gascolator) gets down to ONE
> psi.
>
> I have one pump at each wing tank (Fred, I'm not sucking fuel :-) I
> also have a third pump at the firewall.
>
> Performance is the same with both the left and right pumps. I feel
> the pressure is a tad higher when using the firewall pump.
>
> I did a test on the ground. Fuel flow is exactly the same from the 3
> pumps and is same as new pumps (25 gal/hr). Fuel pressure on the
> ground is normal (5 psi per pump approx).
>
> Anybody would know why I don't get the usual 3-5 psi in flight? (now
> it is more like 1 to 3)
>
> Yesterday, as a workaround, I used the firewall pump in conjunction
> with the wing pumps (firewall pump is in series) and I got 4-6 psi.
>
> Michel
> PS: the pumps I use are the Facet 40108 pumps. The wing pumps have
> approx 200 hours of use each.
> Firewall pump is much less solicitated.
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Engine decisions getting easier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi Frank,
I just checked the finished article online again, and there was no mention of Stratus.
Thanks again for sharing your story with me. See you at OSH?
best, Cory
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All-
I was a little surprised when Gary Boothe quoted me as saying a ZAC
replacement Z spar was about the same with shipping as Dave's $75 brake
(If you actually paid $75 for the components), but then again, I guess I
am an authority on the cost of replacement "Oops" parts. I bought enough
of them over the years!
Bill
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| Subject: | Engine decisions getting easier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I wish....I'm just finishing up painting the RV7..It looks awesome but
it means I'm going to be a few weeks late for OSH...Oh well next year...
If you want an article on getting an awesome paint job from a first
timer let me know...:)
Cheers
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory
Emberson
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:47 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson
--> <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi Frank,
I just checked the finished article online again, and there was no
mention of Stratus. Thanks again for sharing your story with me. See
you at OSH?
best, Cory
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All-
I had to take the day off to keep out of the way of the contractors
who are putting in the garanger's French drain system, so I started
writing the list article.
While tabulating the questionnaire responses, I realized I was still
a few short of 25. The way things are shaping up, it probably won't make
any difference to the final outcome, but it would be nice to have the
responses "In the bank" if SA asks.
So, this is my last post asking for questionnaires or responses.
Thanks, all.
Bill
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Bill,
What I did not specify was that I actually spent close to $200 for my brake
(hanging my head in shame). I think that's closer to your replacement cost
prediction.
Gary - do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:57 AM
All-
I was a little surprised when Gary Boothe quoted me as saying a ZAC
replacement Z spar was about the same with shipping as Dave's $75 brake (If
you actually paid $75 for the components), but then again, I guess I am an
authority on the cost of replacement "Oops" parts. I bought enough of them
over the years!
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Needed |
Rick,
Hope that you found a rudder. Mine is still available if you are looking.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Homemade AOA help |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Roy" <savannah174@msn.com>
Michael, I bought the 3/16 ID tubing at home depot (20 ft roll) for $2.49.
Cheers
RJ
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Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:13 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Moore <moorecomp@yahoo.com>
>
> Michael,
>
> I believe you will find the poly tubing used for
> hooking up the icemaker in your fridge/freezer may be
> the correct size. I saw that it is listed as 1/4" O.D.
> at Ace Hardware.
>
> Craig Moore
>
> --- Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael
> > Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
> >
> > To those of you that have made your AOA from the
> > plans at CH601.org:
> > I had Scott make me a probe and now I have to find
> > the tubing to fit.
> > The drawing says 3/16 plastic tubing - I have
> > finally figured that
> > 3/16 must be the I/D, correct?
> >
> > Assuming that is correct, I have found vinyl tubing
> > that is 5/16 O/D
> > and 3/16 I/D, but I wanted to use more rigid tubing,
> > like
> > polyethylene. Has anyone found that kind of tubing
> > at a HomeDepot or
> > such? I have looked at places like Wicks and
> > Aircraft Spruce - they
> > often don't list an inner diameter - at least I have
> > had trouble
> > figuring which one is correct.
> >
> > If you have rigged your probe and gauge, please let
> > me know what kind
> > of tubing you used and, if possible, your source.
> >
> > Thanks, Michael Valentine
> >
> > do not archive
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Folding Wings for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
Hi,
You will probably get lots of replies. Did you look on the archives for
comments on the folding wing option?
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701 80% Done
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martyn@flight.co.za
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 5:02 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
Hi Ya'll.
I recieved the "drawings" for the Folding wing option for the 701 the
other day. If anybody out there has ordered the same, then you'll know
what I mean by when I say "a bit vague"!
Has anyone started on, or completed a folding wing conversion and perhaps
taken photos of the process? If you have, it would really help if I can
take a look and try and match the drawings too the pictures!
Happy Building
Martyn
Scratch Build 701
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| Subject: | aerial photography |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
I think you can find the bomb door here.
http://www.ch701.com/Builders%20Resources/flour_bomb/flour_bomb.htm
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Ron,
A couple years ago someone posted a group of pictures detailing a "door" in
the bottom of the cockpit for flour bombing or something. I thought I saved
it, but can't find it immediately. Maybe someone else on the list has it. It
may have even been for camera mounting!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Miller <flystol@bluebottle.com>
Hello all,
New to the list - have been reading for several days to get the feel -
lots of great info / experience to draw from!
I am wondering if anyone has attempted to build in an aerial photo
window into the wing of a 601XL. I am thinking to make a cutout in
the lower skin within one of the wing locker compartments, insert a
plexiglass window and rig up a holder within the compartment for a
digital camera. Has anyone heard of a setup like this before?
Thanks,
Ron
San Deigo (Rudder Kit complete)
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| Subject: | Access panel for strobe light installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
Did anybody install an access panel for the strobe light installation (transformer)
in the outer wing? If the strobe light generator fails, how do I get access
to it? Or do they have lifespans of 3000 hours + ?
Rgds
Martin
--------
Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | Engine decisions getting easier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Venables" <roger@nwtradingpost.com>
Frank
I would like a copy of that article!
Thanks
Roger Venables
CH-701
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:06 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
I wish....I'm just finishing up painting the RV7..It looks awesome but
it means I'm going to be a few weeks late for OSH...Oh well next year...
If you want an article on getting an awesome paint job from a first
timer let me know...:)
Cheers
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory
Emberson
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:47 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson
--> <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi Frank,
I just checked the finished article online again, and there was no
mention of Stratus. Thanks again for sharing your story with me. See
you at OSH?
best, Cory
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Bill
Send me a questionnaire and I will respond
Thanks
Roger
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:09 AM
All-
I had to take the day off to keep out of the way of the contractors who
are putting in the garanger's French drain system, so I started writing the
list article.
While tabulating the questionnaire responses, I realized I was still a
few short of 25. The way things are shaping up, it probably won't make any
difference to the final outcome, but it would be nice to have the responses
"In the bank" if SA asks.
So, this is my last post asking for questionnaires or responses.
Thanks, all.
Bill
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| Subject: | Access panel for strobe light installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
If your going with Aeroflash they will last about 100 to 150 hours
before the big capacitor fails. Easy to replace but you need access to
the power supply.
On the HDS I put the power supplies behind the seats and ran the
sheilded wire out to the wing tips.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Martin Pohl
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:35 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
Did anybody install an access panel for the strobe light installation
(transformer) in the outer wing? If the strobe light generator fails,
how do I get access to it? Or do they have lifespans of 3000 hours + ?
Rgds
Martin
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Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | Engine decisions getting easier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
August issue of Kitplanes magazine.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Venables
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:46 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Venables"
--> <roger@nwtradingpost.com>
Frank
I would like a copy of that article!
Thanks
Roger Venables
CH-701
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde,
Frank George (Corvallis)
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:06 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
I wish....I'm just finishing up painting the RV7..It looks awesome but
it means I'm going to be a few weeks late for OSH...Oh well next year...
If you want an article on getting an awesome paint job from a first
timer let me know...:)
Cheers
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory
Emberson
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:47 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cory Emberson
--> <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi Frank,
I just checked the finished article online again, and there was no
mention of Stratus. Thanks again for sharing your story with me. See
you at OSH?
best, Cory
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The metal for my brake came to $160.00 so I am guess I came to about
$200.00 total for the whole thing also.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
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From: Gary Boothe
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Z spar
Bill,
What I did not specify was that I actually spent close to $200 for my
brake (hanging my head in shame). I think that's closer to your
replacement cost prediction.
Gary - do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:57 AM
To: zenith list
Subject: Zenith-List: Z spar
All-
I was a little surprised when Gary Boothe quoted me as saying a
ZAC replacement Z spar was about the same with shipping as Dave's $75
brake (If you actually paid $75 for the components), but then again, I
guess I am an authority on the cost of replacement "Oops" parts. I
bought enough of them over the years!
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Access panel for strobe light installation |
Martin - as I am also at that stage I have looked at lots of other builder's
pictures. Plenty of people have put an access panel in the wing tip (the
metal section, of course) to get inside. I plan on doing the same.
Michael
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On 7/5/06, Martin Pohl <mpohl@pohltec.ch> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
>
> Did anybody install an access panel for the strobe light installation
> (transformer) in the outer wing? If the strobe light generator fails, how do
> I get access to it? Or do they have lifespans of 3000 hours + ?
>
> Rgds
> Martin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Access panel for strobe light installation |
Martin, I just cut a hole in the metal part of the wing tip. It is about 5"
x 4" and I riveted a coverplate, inside the opening. I decided that drilling
out rivets once in 10 years or so wouldn't be so bad.
Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Fuse side access panel on a CH-701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Hi guys, I am scratch building a CH-701. On Sunday I
cut out the fuselage sides and made an oops. I
mis-read the plans at the back end on one side and
drew my station lines at 293 mm instead of 298 mm.
The cumulative error is that the fuse side is 10 mm
short. I was thinking of the following solutions and
figured I'd better get some feedback. Of course I
will correct the station lines so that the underlying
parts attach correctly.
1. Re-cut the one side correctly and scrap the skin
that has been mis-cut.
2. Modify the back bulkhead so that it's flange fills
the missing 10 mm.
3. Make a removable inspection panel at the back so
that the rudder and elevator cables can be easily
inspected where they pass through the fuselage.
Personally I'm leaning towards option #3. This will
fix my screw-up and have the added bonus of making
future annuals easier. I have ordered extra threaded
nutplates (belly panel access cover style) with the
idea of using these to attach the inspection panel.
Any thoughts???
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 scratch builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Writing started |
Roger-
Attached. Thanks.
Bill
SETTING THE STAGE
1. Were you aware of, and did you join a builder's list before you
made a final kit choice?
2. Did you post questions on the list re: your reservations
concerning a potential choice?
3. Did the responses (Assuming any) have a significant effect on
your final choice?
4. If "No" to the above, how long had you been building before
joining?
5. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local builder of
your kit brand and model?
6. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local builder of
your kit brand?
7. Was the lack of local builders the primary reason you joined a
list?
8. If "No" to any of the above, why did you join a list?
DAY TO DAY
1. How many days a week do you post to your list? (Do you feel
more of a need to be an active
contributor vs a passive member)
2. Are most of your posts re: specific technical
questions/answers, or are they more socially
and opinion oriented?
3. What is the percentage of answers/leads to technical questions
you get from your list as
opposed to other sources?
4. Do you find your participation in a list more satisfying from a
technical or social aspect?
CRUNCH TIME (This is the "Essay test" portion)
We've all been faced with major setbacks. No matter the
circumstances, the first
question is "How did that happen?" Answer as many times as you
like. Suggestions for
content are:
Did you know before you posted that you were the cause of the
problem? If you knew
you screwed up, did you post to "Admit your guilt and confess your
sins", getting the reinforcement
from other listers like, "Yeah, join the club", enabling you to go
on? Were you angry at yourself
or depressed? How long does it take you to get over the
anger/depression/indecision and back to work?
Did you post to determine where you screwed up? Was the list
instrumental in finding
the reason?
How do you feel about problems attributable to the kit
manufacturer?
BOTTOM LINE
1. Has membership to the list been worthwhile?
2. Has membership to the list provided enough support to salvage a
seemingly hopeless project?
3. Would you recommend membership in a list to a newbie?
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Venables
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Writing started
Bill
Send me a questionnaire and I will respond
Thanks
Roger
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:09 AM
To: zenith list
Subject: Zenith-List: Writing started
All-
I had to take the day off to keep out of the way of the
contractors who are putting in the garanger's French drain system, so I
started writing the list article.
While tabulating the questionnaire responses, I realized I was
still a few short of 25. The way things are shaping up, it probably
won't make any difference to the final outcome, but it would be nice to
have the responses "In the bank" if SA asks.
So, this is my last post asking for questionnaires or responses.
Thanks, all.
Bill
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Gary-
Oh well, it's done. At least you get a little satisfaction that
you'll save from here on in. Cost of my ZAC Z spar was a shade under
$100 with shipping.
What's sad is, ZAC replacement parts are pretty reasonable- the
shipping kills you.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Z spar
Bill,
What I did not specify was that I actually spent close to $200 for my
brake (hanging my head in shame). I think that's closer to your
replacement cost prediction.
Gary - do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:57 AM
To: zenith list
Subject: Zenith-List: Z spar
All-
I was a little surprised when Gary Boothe quoted me as saying a
ZAC replacement Z spar was about the same with shipping as Dave's $75
brake (If you actually paid $75 for the components), but then again, I
guess I am an authority on the cost of replacement "Oops" parts. I
bought enough of them over the years!
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Access panel for strobe light installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com>
Martin- I did. For all the reasons you mention.
Al Young
601XL
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Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:34 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
>
> Did anybody install an access panel for the strobe light installation
> (transformer) in the outer wing? If the strobe light generator fails, how
> do I get access to it? Or do they have lifespans of 3000 hours + ?
>
> Rgds
> Martin
>
> --------
> Martin Pohl
> Zodiac XL QBK
> 8645 Jona, Switzerland
> www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=44970#44970
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Access panel for strobe light installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
I haven't done it yet but I plan to either when I've finished with everything else
and I'm waiting on an AW inspection, Flying and there is a bad weather day
and I really want to be at the airport or the thing fails.
Which ever comes first.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Bill
Here goes:
SETTING THE STAGE
1. I only found out about the list after I chose the kit
2. No. see above
3. no
4. I learnt about the list at the Zenith rudder workshop, so
simultaneously I guess
5. about 30 minutes
6. about 30 minutes
7. no, the large pool of experience was the reason
8. because of the large pool of experience, which has proved to be
accurate
DAY TO DAY
1. I only post to the list once every month or so
2. technically oriented
3. This is an unfair question: by religiously reading the
list every day most of my questions are answered before I even think of
them! Otherwise I would say about 90% of my answers come from reading and
from my Technical advisor
4. actually both: although I answered technically oriented
to 2 above, there is no doubt that the list builds a great feeling of
camaraderie and fellowship
CRUNCH TIME
I typically pick up right away (or the next day) when I screwed up, and by
the way it is always my fault due to carelessness. However I don't spend any
time getting angry or depressed as I understand from the list that building
a plane is much like playing golf, i.e getting off the fairway and into the
rough is not the problem, the trick is in getting back onto the fairway.
This where the EAA technical advisor comes in: he helps me to formulate my
ideas and I usually call the kit manufacturer if there are any doubts
To be honest I don't have any complaints about my kit manufacturer (Zenith).
To my mind they do a fantastic job: nothing (so far) is missing from my kits
and if I screw up a part they send a replacement right away
BOTTOM LINE
1. Membership has been more than worthwhile, it is essential
2. I haven't got to that stage (yet!) but I can see where it would help
3. Anybody that builds a plane without belonging to a list is either
very experienced or crazy! Yes, I would strongly recommend it
Roger
Did you post to determine where you screwed up? Was the list instrumental in
finding
the reason?
How do you feel about problems attributable to the kit manufacturer?
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:59 AM
Roger-
Attached. Thanks.
Bill
SETTING THE STAGE
1. Were you aware of, and did you join a builder's list before you made a
final kit choice?
2. Did you post questions on the list re: your reservations concerning a
potential choice?
3. Did the responses (Assuming any) have a significant effect on your final
choice?
4. If "No" to the above, how long had you been building before joining?
5. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local builder of your kit
brand and model?
6. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local builder of your kit
brand?
7. Was the lack of local builders the primary reason you joined a list?
8. If "No" to any of the above, why did you join a list?
DAY TO DAY
1. How many days a week do you post to your list? (Do you feel more of a
need to be an active
contributor vs a passive member)
2. Are most of your posts re: specific technical questions/answers, or are
they more socially
and opinion oriented?
3. What is the percentage of answers/leads to technical questions you get
from your list as
opposed to other sources?
4. Do you find your participation in a list more satisfying from a technical
or social aspect?
CRUNCH TIME (This is the "Essay test" portion)
We've all been faced with major setbacks. No matter the circumstances, the
first
question is "How did that happen?" Answer as many times as you like.
Suggestions for
content are:
Did you know before you posted that you were the cause of the problem? If
you knew
you screwed up, did you post to "Admit your guilt and confess your sins",
getting the reinforcement
from other listers like, "Yeah, join the club", enabling you to go on? Were
you angry at yourself
or depressed? How long does it take you to get over the
anger/depression/indecision and back to work?
Did you post to determine where you screwed up? Was the list instrumental in
finding
the reason?
How do you feel about problems attributable to the kit manufacturer?
BOTTOM LINE
1. Has membership to the list been worthwhile?
2. Has membership to the list provided enough support to salvage a seemingly
hopeless project?
3. Would you recommend membership in a list to a newbie?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:46 PM
Bill
Send me a questionnaire and I will respond
Thanks
Roger
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:09 AM
All-
I had to take the day off to keep out of the way of the contractors who
are putting in the garanger's French drain system, so I started writing the
list article.
While tabulating the questionnaire responses, I realized I was still a
few short of 25. The way things are shaping up, it probably won't make any
difference to the final outcome, but it would be nice to have the responses
"In the bank" if SA asks.
So, this is my last post asking for questionnaires or responses.
Thanks, all.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Fuel System Poser - solved!/ really?? :-) |
Danger joke
You are using clear hoses, I made my fuel system as the plans, WITH the
black hose that comes with the kit. So Fritz will be perfectly safe
flying witrh me around Chapala Lake,, he will not see any bubbles in
the gasoline hoses.
:-) :-) :-) ;-)
Just a Joke. Sorry, couldnt resist.
Saludos
Gary Gower
That reminds me of the best night off field landing advice I ever
heard....
"Conserve the battery and wait until you get down to 100 AGL to turn on
the landing lights. If you don't like what you see..... turn them back
off."
Ed Moody II
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Hi all,
Ok, it's official. I got home from work today, got the mail in and had a package
waiting for me inside. Yep, I now have my CH 601 HDS plans and construction
manual. (excitement sets in) I slowly open the package and
proceed to inspect its contents. Somewhere in the process I find that I am inspecting
the inside of my eyelids (tired). To relax, I begin paging through my
EAA Sport Aviation magazine which also arrived today. And BAM!!!, right there
is an article that someone made sure was in there just for me. "Checking out"
"You've commited to building - but are you ready to fly?" Talk about putting
a damper on my excitement. I'll get back to inspecting and familiarizing myself
with the plans when I'm not so tired (take nap first). Can't wait to make
that first cut. Got to get that "honey do" list out of the way first (my unfortunate
agreement with wife) before I can start building.
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| Subject: | Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate, Part II |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Bolding" <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
----- Original Message -----
>"
> You will find pure aluminium isn't nearly as corrosion resistant as
alumiclad 6061.
> > Noel
I'm kinda surprised that no one has challenged this statement.
6061 is kinda hard to find in the clad condition.
2024 and 7075 are commonly produced "clad" or bare, depending on the use
but don't think I ever used any 2024 in the bare state or any 6061 in the
clad state.
There IS a SLIGHT difference in the strength of clad and bare alum. More
pronounced the thinner you go as the clad makes up a greater percent of the
total.
The clading is almost pure alum applied to one or both sides.
Getting back to the initial statement however...
Why would 6061 ,which is pretty highly alloyed, be more corrosion resistant
than pure alum??
John
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I have a question about the hinge for the aileron trim. In the plans
the cutout for the trim tab is 538mm, and the hinge is listed as 535mm
in length.
I ordered the hinges for my flaps and the aileron trim and they were
delivered today. The hinge that was included, that I'm supposing is for
my aileron trim, is only 415mm in length... Did ZAC send the wrong part
to me or has the plans been changed that I'm not aware of?
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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| Subject: | Re: Alodine and Zinc Chromate, Part II |
Your statements are basically correct John. 6061-T6 is 'slightly' less corrosion
resistant than 2024 clad in pure aluminum (very slightly so). Keep in mind
that the layer of pure aluminum is sometimes only a few atoms thick. this
shouldn't be of any concern if you're painting your aircraft. If you're going
to polish the aluminum and leave it bare, that layer will eventually become
thin enough as to warrant corrosion treatment and painting. I understand that
several good products exist specifically to provide extended protection to polished
aluminum aircraft, although I've never used any of them.
If you were able to find 6061-T6 with a layer of pure aluminum, you'd get the
best of both worlds. Good luck on that one. It's not necessary, so it's not
available...
Tom Henderson
601XL Fuse
A few weeks from completion, FINALLY!
McMinnville, Oregon
503-474-3882
John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
"John Bolding"
----- Original Message -----
>"
> You will find pure aluminium isn't nearly as corrosion resistant as
alumiclad 6061.
> > Noel
I'm kinda surprised that no one has challenged this statement.
6061 is kinda hard to find in the clad condition.
2024 and 7075 are commonly produced "clad" or bare, depending on the use
but don't think I ever used any 2024 in the bare state or any 6061 in the
clad state.
There IS a SLIGHT difference in the strength of clad and bare alum. More
pronounced the thinner you go as the clad makes up a greater percent of the
total.
The clading is almost pure alum applied to one or both sides.
Getting back to the initial statement however...
Why would 6061 ,which is pretty highly alloyed, be more corrosion resistant
than pure alum??
John
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| Subject: | Re: Access panel for strobe light installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <zman601xl@verizon.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com>
Martin- I did. For all the reasons you mention.
Al Young
601XL
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:34 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
>
> Did anybody install an access panel for the strobe light installation
> (transformer) in the outer wing? If the strobe light generator fails, how
> do I get access to it? Or do they have lifespans of 3000 hours + ?
>
> Rgds
> Martin
>
> --------
> Martin Pohl
> Zodiac XL QBK
> 8645 Jona, Switzerland
> www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
>
>Martin,
I installed an access panel so I could change out the strobe flasher if I had to.I
also mounted the flasher on studs so I could do it with one hand.
Bob Haring
601XL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=44970#44970
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Access panel for strobe light installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy" <rpf@wi.rr.com>
I don't know about Frank's, but my Aeroflash strobes have over 400 hours on
them and they are still working.
Randy
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:00 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> If your going with Aeroflash they will last about 100 to 150 hours
> before the big capacitor fails. Easy to replace but you need access to
> the power supply.
>
> On the HDS I put the power supplies behind the seats and ran the
> sheilded wire out to the wing tips.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Martin Pohl
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:35 AM
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
>
> Did anybody install an access panel for the strobe light installation
> (transformer) in the outer wing? If the strobe light generator fails,
> how do I get access to it? Or do they have lifespans of 3000 hours + ?
>
> Rgds
> Martin
>
> --------
> Martin Pohl
> Zodiac XL QBK
> 8645 Jona, Switzerland
> www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=44970#44970
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim |
Randy-
No matter whether it's the right part or not, you're developing a
good habit. Check everything out.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Bryant
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim
I have a question about the hinge for the aileron trim. In the plans
the cutout for the trim tab is 538mm, and the hinge is listed as 535mm
in length.
I ordered the hinges for my flaps and the aileron trim and they were
delivered today. The hinge that was included, that I'm supposing is for
my aileron trim, is only 415mm in length... Did ZAC send the wrong part
to me or has the plans been changed that I'm not aware of?
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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All-
Just got finished putting the last of the insulation in the garanger
and mowing (Baling) the lawn. 22 responses to date.
C'mon guys, 3 responses to go. I'm only on vacation so long and WILL
HAVE the project out of the basement by then. First things first, you
know.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Access panel for strobe light installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I installed my strobe power supplies under the seat pans behind the spar. I can
access them th
-------------- Original message ----------------------
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
>
> Did anybody install an access panel for the strobe light installation
> (transformer) in the outer wing? If the strobe light generator fails, how do
I
> get access to it? Or do they have lifespans of 3000 hours + ?
>
> Rgds
> Martin
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Jerome,
So your wife is going to let you stay? You lucky dog!
I'm not sure what the rest of the group will say, but I say the flying part
is the easy part (and most fun). Just charge full speed ahead....
Congratulations,
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
Hi all,
Ok, it's official. I got home from work today, got the mail in and had a
package waiting for me inside. Yep, I now have my CH 601 HDS plans and
construction manual. (excitement sets in) I slowly open the
package and proceed to inspect its contents. Somewhere in the process I find
that I am inspecting the inside of my eyelids (tired). To relax, I begin
paging through my EAA Sport Aviation magazine which also arrived today. And
BAM!!!, right there is an article that someone made sure was in there just
for me. "Checking out" "You've commited to building - but are you ready to
fly?" Talk about putting a damper on my excitement. I'll get back to
inspecting and familiarizing myself with the plans when I'm not so tired
(take nap first). Can't wait to make that first cut. Got to get that "honey
do" list out of the way first (my unfortunate agreement with wife) before I
can start building.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45039#45039
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim |
Randy- My plans say the same. I think you got a short hinge. Call
Shirley and tell aher what you have. she will make it right.
Al Young
601XL Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Bryant
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim
I have a question about the hinge for the aileron trim. In the plans
the cutout for the trim tab is 538mm, and the hinge is listed as 535mm
in length.
I ordered the hinges for my flaps and the aileron trim and they were
delivered today. The hinge that was included, that I'm supposing is for
my aileron trim, is only 415mm in length... Did ZAC send the wrong part
to me or has the plans been changed that I'm not aware of?
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
All-
Okay, I'm going to say it. XL, schmeckzel.
Zenith, the HDS design doesn't seem to want to go away like you would
like it to, so why not clean up the prints and builder's manual?
Jerome, my advice is to lock the builder's manual in a time capsule set
to open after you're flying. For better or worse, you're now a member in the
club of the most talented people I've ever had the privilege of being
associated with- HDS builders.
Good building!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:19 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
>
> Jerome,
>
> So your wife is going to let you stay? You lucky dog!
>
> I'm not sure what the rest of the group will say, but I say the flying
> part
> is the easy part (and most fun). Just charge full speed ahead....
>
> Congratulations,
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
> Tail done, working on wings....
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jsimons2" <jsimons4@triad.rr.com>
>
> Hi all,
> Ok, it's official. I got home from work today, got the mail in and had a
> package waiting for me inside. Yep, I now have my CH 601 HDS plans and
> construction manual. (excitement sets in) I slowly open
> the
> package and proceed to inspect its contents. Somewhere in the process I
> find
> that I am inspecting the inside of my eyelids (tired). To relax, I begin
> paging through my EAA Sport Aviation magazine which also arrived today.
> And
> BAM!!!, right there is an article that someone made sure was in there just
> for me. "Checking out" "You've commited to building - but are you ready to
> fly?" Talk about putting a damper on my excitement. I'll get back to
> inspecting and familiarizing myself with the plans when I'm not so tired
> (take nap first). Can't wait to make that first cut. Got to get that
> "honey
> do" list out of the way first (my unfortunate agreement with wife) before
> I
> can start building.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45039#45039
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim |
I had the same problem with the elevator trim. I called and told them what
I wanted and what they sent me was way shorter than what the plans ask for.
When I called Shirley, she stated that I had newer plans and what they had
sent me was for older versions. She explained that I need to look for update
codes on the plans. In this case, I think it was a number 2 in a triangle
that told me I needed a different part number than what is listed in the plans.
ZAC sent out another one for no charge. I offered to send the other one
back, but they told me to use it somewhere else. It is going in my bottom fuse
access door.
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
Building Fuse!!
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim |
Thanks Al,
I thought so as well... I just wanted to make sure before I called ZAC
tomorrow...
Thanks much,
Randy
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Young
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim
Randy- My plans say the same. I think you got a short hinge. Call
Shirley and tell aher what you have. she will make it right.
Al Young
601XL Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Bryant
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim
I have a question about the hinge for the aileron trim. In the
plans the cutout for the trim tab is 538mm, and the hinge is listed as
535mm in length.
I ordered the hinges for my flaps and the aileron trim and they were
delivered today. The hinge that was included, that I'm supposing is for
my aileron trim, is only 415mm in length... Did ZAC send the wrong part
to me or has the plans been changed that I'm not aware of?
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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| Subject: | Re:Folding Wings |
I purchased it and did not install it. I agree it is not recommended.
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 7/5/2006 8:01:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
zsmith3rd@earthlink.net writes:
I cannot recall what the substance was that I apparently was under the
influence of when I stupidly purchased the "folding wing option".
Bottom line: After you get all the parts fitted to make wings, fuselage,
tail feathers, etc; and have all these bolted together to resemble an airplane
you will see that aforesaid option is not what you may have envisioned.
Others may view this feature differently, but I'd not reccomend it.
Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive
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Long time lurker - 701 plans and Corvair core in hand. (Let the flaming
begin).
SETTING THE STAGE
1 - Yes
2 - No
3 - Yes (my questions have, so far, been answered without me having to
ask)
4 - N/A
5 - 2.5 hours
6 - .25 hours
7 - No
8 - The list is an obvious wealth of information. Even if everyone on my
block was building a CH something I'd read the list.
DAY TO DAY
1 - 0 (Well, until now.)
2 - N/A
3 - I look at the list FIRST. I'm in the very early stages of my project
and will move forward at a glacial pace due to financial and time
constraints. This does provide me with the ability to benefit from other
builder's trials and tribulations before I forge ahead. Short answer -
90%
5 - I've really enjoyed the camaraderie in a lurking, non participating
sort of way until now.
CRUNCHTIME
I'm not far enough along to have blown off any toes yet. (Other than the
possible engine selection which is clearly heavier than CH intended.)
I'm sure I'll shoot myself squarely in the foot at some point. When I do
so I'll confess here and accept the help and any criticism as well.
Since I'm going the plans built route I won't be able to comment on kit
issues. I've been studying the plans but it is too soon for me to
comment on those.
BOTTOM LINE
1 - Yes
2 - I'm don't think I'd have ordered plans if it weren't for this list.
3 - Absolutley.
Thanks to all you listers for the considerable amount of effort I see
put forth here.
Bob Percival
701 Scratch Builder
Working on Corvair conversion, forms, & $75.00 brake press.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:59 PM
Roger-
Attached. Thanks.
Bill
SETTING THE STAGE
1. Were you aware of, and did you join a builder's list before you made
a final kit choice?
2. Did you post questions on the list re: your reservations concerning a
potential choice?
3. Did the responses (Assuming any) have a significant effect on your
final choice?
4. If "No" to the above, how long had you been building before joining?
5. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local builder of your
kit brand and model?
6. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local builder of your
kit brand?
7. Was the lack of local builders the primary reason you joined a list?
8. If "No" to any of the above, why did you join a list?
DAY TO DAY
1. How many days a week do you post to your list? (Do you feel more of a
need to be an active
contributor vs a passive member)
2. Are most of your posts re: specific technical questions/answers, or
are they more socially
and opinion oriented?
3. What is the percentage of answers/leads to technical questions you
get from your list as
opposed to other sources?
4. Do you find your participation in a list more satisfying from a
technical or social aspect?
CRUNCH TIME (This is the "Essay test" portion)
We've all been faced with major setbacks. No matter the circumstances,
the first
question is "How did that happen?" Answer as many times as you like.
Suggestions for
content are:
Did you know before you posted that you were the cause of the problem?
If you knew
you screwed up, did you post to "Admit your guilt and confess your
sins", getting the reinforcement
from other listers like, "Yeah, join the club", enabling you to go on?
Were you angry at yourself
or depressed? How long does it take you to get over the
anger/depression/indecision and back to work?
Did you post to determine where you screwed up? Was the list
instrumental in finding
the reason?
How do you feel about problems attributable to the kit manufacturer?
BOTTOM LINE
1. Has membership to the list been worthwhile?
2. Has membership to the list provided enough support to salvage a
seemingly hopeless project?
3. Would you recommend membership in a list to a newbie?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:46 PM
Bill
Send me a questionnaire and I will respond
Thanks
Roger
_____
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:09 AM
All-
I had to take the day off to keep out of the way of the contractors
who are putting in the garanger's French drain system, so I started
writing the list article.
While tabulating the questionnaire responses, I realized I was still
a few short of 25. The way things are shaping up, it probably won't make
any difference to the final outcome, but it would be nice to have the
responses "In the bank" if SA asks.
So, this is my last post asking for questionnaires or responses.
Thanks, all.
Bill
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I believe I have found someone to make my die's. They will be rather
expensive, but I need them and do not have the resource's to make them. I tried
the plywood ones, but all I have is a small band saw. I would need a compass
to make the circle and could not find one in this small "Little house on the
Prarie town". I should have my dies in about a month I am told. I guess it
is time to go work on an engine now. I will pick up all the core parts from a
Corvair guy next week. I can have it cleaned locally, but everything else I
will send out.
I just wanted you guys to know that my dies will be available to any future
builder at no charge except shipping. That is after I have all my holes
done!!
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
In limbo for now:)
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| Subject: | Alodine and Zinc Chromate, Part II |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
It is my understanding that for corrosion to occur there are two things
required moisture and a source of oxygen. Pure aluminium is very porous as
it corrodes this porosity will hold moisture which speeds up the corrosion
process. Alumiclad, as I understand it, allows a thin layer of oxidation to
occur that is not thick enough to be porous just thick enough to isolate
the underlying alloys from a source of oxygen.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> John Bolding
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:45 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alodine and Zinc Chromate, Part II
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Bolding"
> <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >"
> > You will find pure aluminium isn't nearly as corrosion resistant as
> alumiclad 6061.
> > > Noel
>
> I'm kinda surprised that no one has challenged this statement.
>
> 6061 is kinda hard to find in the clad condition.
> 2024 and 7075 are commonly produced "clad" or bare,
> depending on the use
> but don't think I ever used any 2024 in the bare state or any
> 6061 in the
> clad state.
> There IS a SLIGHT difference in the strength of clad and bare
> alum. More
> pronounced the thinner you go as the clad makes up a greater
> percent of the
> total.
> The clading is almost pure alum applied to one or both sides.
>
> Getting back to the initial statement however...
> Why would 6061 ,which is pretty highly alloyed, be more
> corrosion resistant
> than pure alum??
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel pump puzzle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I'm actually pumping through the firewall pump.
My plan was to remove it as I became convinced it was
useless... not so sure anymore since it brings back my
fuel pressure to an acceptable level (when used in
conjunction with wing pumps).
I'll check for venting, but I'd be surprised (I saw
fuel dropping out of vents when I moved the plane with
fuel gas tanks last weekend. Of course, visually,
vents look clean.
Filtration?
. finger screen in tanks, gascolator at the bottom of
the firewall, fuel filter at the carburetor.
The fuel pressure sender is on the gascolator. I just
checked and cleaned the gascolator screen upon doing
my annual inspection, about a month or so ago.
I'll inspect my finger screens.
Michel
--- "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank
> George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> I assume there is a bypass around the firewall pump?
> Or are you pumping
> through it?
>
> If your pumping through it you might try removing
> this pump altogether
> (really is not necessary anyway) at least
> temporarily. It maybe that the
> little checkvalve on the third pump may be acting
> up.
>
> Either that or it sounds like a venting issue.
>
> In the HDS I had a 40106 pump in each wing root and
> that always gave me
> 5psi or so at the carb inlet.
>
> What do you use for filtration?...Filters plugging?
>
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Flanging tool |
I bought the steel and machined the dies per the 701 plans, just because
I could. the sizes are 65, 95 & 115 mm. Does the 601 use the same size
dies? I don't think so. This is very old hat for experienced listers,
but for the new guys, if you wish to see these dies in action, please
email and I will forward a picture of them being used in my gravity
powered lightning hole press. I would be happy to loan these out for
reasonable periods; months, not years. They are not lightweight.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
I believe I have found someone to make my die's. They will be rather
expensive, but I need them and do not have the resource's to make them.
I tried the plywood ones, but all I have is a small band saw. I would
need a compass to make the circle and could not find one in this small
"Little house on the Prarie town". I should have my dies in about a
month I am told. I guess it is time to go work on an engine now. I
will pick up all the core parts from a Corvair guy next week. I can
have it cleaned locally, but everything else I will send out.
I just wanted you guys to know that my dies will be available to any
future builder at no charge except shipping. That is after I have all
my holes done!!
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
In limbo for now:)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan <dwilde@clearwire.net>
No mail for several days. Have I been banished because I haven't worked
on my 701 for a week?
Dan Wilde
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| Subject: | Re: Flanging tool |
Hey Larry, sorry for putting you on hold for so long. My schedule has been
nuts lately. I'm spending all tomorrow evening on the punch and brake to finish
the last parts of the fuse (sheet metal at least). I finished the Nylon Pedal
Bearings for us. They actually look pretty darn good. The Nylon is a dark
blue (they call it black in the catalog), which looks a lot better than the
neon green from Zenith.
I knocked out a pair of flanging dies yesterday that actually did a really
good job too. I had to use a rubber mallet and tap around the perimeter to get
a crisp edge, but it's not too hard to do. If you've already ordered yours,
let me know what the cost is and I'll split it with you if you want. (I've kept
you waiting long enough it's the least I can do!). If not, you're more than
welcome to the ones I did last night, and the steel ones are due back on the
17th.
Two of the parts I'm punching and forming tomorrow are parts that you already
have. I screwed up (don't tell anybody you ever heard me say that!) Part
#s 6-W-4-1 and 6-W-4-2 turned out perfect, except for the fact that the large
flanged hole is too far towards the top of the parts. I programmed it 85 mm from
the top of the part, rather than the holes above it. No problem, except a
control rod passes through it, and the hole interferes with the 1/4" spar cap
as well. $#%@. Anyway, they'll be done tomorrow.
I finished the spacers (6-W-4-5) for the center wing spar. I just cut them
from aluminum rod and drilled a hole in them. We'll need to finish the edges
a bit, but the thickness turned is good within .010".
So how goes everything else in the hanger? Have you got your firewall rivited
yet (except for the parts your waiting for!)
LHusky@aol.com wrote: I believe I have found someone to make my die's. They
will be rather expensive, but I need them and do not have the resource's to
make them. I tried the plywood ones, but all I have is a small band saw. I
would need a compass to make the circle and could not find one in this small
"Little house on the Prarie town". I should have my dies in about a month I
am told. I guess it is time to go work on an engine now. I will pick up all
the core parts from a Corvair guy next week. I can have it cleaned locally,
but everything else I will send out.
I just wanted you guys to know that my dies will be available to any future builder
at no charge except shipping. That is after I have all my holes done!!
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
In limbo for now:)
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| Subject: | Re: Flanging tool |
Ok, that last one was meant for Larry. Sorry list. (Seems like a lot of us are
doing that lately. lol)
LHusky@aol.com wrote: I believe I have found someone to make my die's. They
will be rather expensive, but I need them and do not have the resource's to
make them. I tried the plywood ones, but all I have is a small band saw. I
would need a compass to make the circle and could not find one in this small
"Little house on the Prarie town". I should have my dies in about a month I
am told. I guess it is time to go work on an engine now. I will pick up all
the core parts from a Corvair guy next week. I can have it cleaned locally,
but everything else I will send out.
I just wanted you guys to know that my dies will be available to any future builder
at no charge except shipping. That is after I have all my holes done!!
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
In limbo for now:)
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I am selling my 601 XL.....I have completed the airframe and have a corvair
engine that I was going to put in it also. I would really like to finish it
and sell it as a flying airplane. If anyone knows of someone that would like
to buy a 601 finished to their specs. contact me off list at
_afterfxllc@aol.com_ (mailto:afterfxllc@aol.com) . I figure I could deliver the finished
plane to someone in about 45 days.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Flanging tool |
Randy, I would like the pictures. Thanks
On 7/5/06, Randy L. Thwing <n4546v@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> I bought the steel and machined the dies per the 701 plans, just because
> I could. the sizes are 65, 95 & 115 mm. Does the 601 use the same size
> dies? I don't think so. This is very old hat for experienced listers, but
> for the new guys, if you wish to see these dies in action, please email and
> I will forward a picture of them being used in my gravity powered lightning
> hole press. I would be happy to loan these out for reasonable periods;
> months, not years. They are not lightweight.
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
>
>
> I believe I have found someone to make my die's. They will be rather
> expensive, but I need them and do not have the resource's to make them. I
> tried the plywood ones, but all I have is a small band saw. I would need a
> compass to make the circle and could not find one in this small "Little
> house on the Prarie town". I should have my dies in about a month I am
> told. I guess it is time to go work on an engine now. I will pick up all
> the core parts from a Corvair guy next week. I can have it cleaned locally,
> but everything else I will send out.
>
> I just wanted you guys to know that my dies will be available to any
> future builder at no charge except shipping. That is after I have all my
> holes done!!
>
> Larry Husky
> Lakeview, OR
> In limbo for now:)
>
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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