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1. 03:13 AM - Re: Scratch build - pre drill holes before (David Wright)
2. 03:13 AM - Re: Scratch build - pre drill holes before bending? (David Wright)
3. 03:13 AM - Re: Scratch build - pre drill holes before (David Wright)
4. 05:25 AM - Re: Question for finished builders (N5SL)
5. 05:45 AM - Re: Primer / paint question (Jean-Paul Roy)
6. 05:56 AM - Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? (n801bh@netzero.com)
7. 05:59 AM - Re: Primer / paint question (Noel Loveys)
8. 06:20 AM - OT: World's First Ornithopter flight - for Aviation History buffs (David Barth)
9. 06:48 AM - RE : Re: Primer / paint question (Carlos Sa)
10. 07:10 AM - Re: Question for finished builders (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
11. 07:15 AM - Re: OT: World's First Ornithopter flight - for Aviation History buffs (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
12. 07:48 AM - Re: RE : Re: Primer / paint question (N5SL)
13. 07:51 AM - Re: Question for finished builders (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
14. 09:07 AM - Re: Flap mounting (Rodney Mills)
15. 09:07 AM - Re: Question for finished builders (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
16. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: Flap mounting ()
17. 09:13 AM - Re: Rudder plans 6T4-2 ()
18. 09:51 AM - To paint or not to paint (Bill Naumuk)
19. 10:41 AM - Re: Question for finished builders (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
20. 11:05 AM - CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (David Plozay)
21. 11:52 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Bill Naumuk)
22. 12:09 PM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Jim Hoak)
23. 12:13 PM - Re: To paint or not to paint (LarryMcFarland)
24. 12:24 PM - Re: 701 tips (Zed Smith)
25. 02:14 PM - Re: Aileron Tip (Stephen R. Look)
26. 02:16 PM - Re: To paint or not to paint (Michel Therrien)
27. 02:39 PM - Re: Aileron Tip ()
28. 02:55 PM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Paul Mulwitz)
29. 03:06 PM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (John Bolding)
30. 04:38 PM - Posting (Robert L. Stone)
31. 04:54 PM - Re: Posting (Craig Payne)
32. 05:45 PM - Re: Posting (JOHN STARN)
33. 05:49 PM - Re: Posting (LHusky@aol.com)
34. 05:59 PM - Rudder Force (Doug Moellering)
35. 06:18 PM - RE : Posting (Carlos Sa)
36. 06:55 PM - Re: Posting (Mike)
37. 06:55 PM - Weight & Balance (Doug Moellering)
38. 06:59 PM - Re: Rudder Force (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
39. 07:39 PM - Re: Rudder Force (Noel Loveys)
40. 07:48 PM - Re: Posting (JOHN STARN)
41. 07:53 PM - Re: Rudder Force (Daniel Vandenberg)
42. 08:11 PM - Re: Rudder Force (Randy Bryant)
43. 08:33 PM - Re: Posting (Edward Moody II)
44. 08:51 PM - Re: Weight & Balance (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch build - pre drill holes before |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Wright <davidhwright@mac.com>
Paul
Thanks
Looks like I will be putting my drill away for a while!!
Dave
On 9 Jul 2006, at 01:28, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Hi David,
>
> Welcome aboard.
>
> I would recommend waiting to drill holes until the underlying
> structure is built. That way you can put the holes where they
> match the existing structure instead of the theoretical location
> the prints indicate they should be. The little differences between
> ideal and reality can add up.
>
> Paul
> XL Fuselage
>
> At 04:24 PM 7/8/2006, you wrote:
>> First posting from a newbie scratch builder
>>
>> I have built the tail for my 601XL from a kit from CZAW and have
>> decided to scratch build the rest of the plane.
>> I have taken delivery of the sheet aluminium and am now in the
>> process of marking out the skins for the flaps and ailerons.
>> My questions is for those who have already done this is - should I
>> pre-drill the holes while the aluminium is still flat or should I
>> wait until it is bent?
>>
>> Any suggestions gratefully received
>>
>>
>> Dave
>> 601XL plans built - wings - England
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch build - pre drill holes before bending? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Wright <davidhwright@mac.com>
Scott
Thanks
Looks like I will be putting my drill away for a while!!
Dave
On 9 Jul 2006, at 04:14, N5SL wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi David:
>
> NO and NO! Don't drill any holes until you are ready
> to install the part. I made this mistake and had to
> re-make a few parts. I know the drawings show the
> hole locations but as in the "Pirates Code" it's more
> like a guideline. There are some exceptions to the
> rule, but wait until you have the part ready to
> install to drill the holes and then plan carefully.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Scott Laughlin
>
> --- David Wright <davidhwright@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> All
>>
> should I
>> pre-drill the holes while the aluminium is still
>> flat or should I
>> wait until it is bent?
>
> __________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch build - pre drill holes before |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Wright <davidhwright@mac.com>
David
Thanks
Looks like I will be putting my drill away for a while!!
Dave
On 9 Jul 2006, at 03:59, David Barth wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi David
> I have to agree with Paul. Always best to wait until
> the parts are bent up
> David
>
> --- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
>> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Welcome aboard.
>>
>> I would recommend waiting to drill holes until the
>> underlying
>> structure is built. That way you can put the holes
>> where they match
>> the existing structure instead of the theoretical
>> location the prints
>> indicate they should be. The little differences
>> between ideal and
>> reality can add up.
>>
>> Paul
>> XL Fuselage
>>
>> At 04:24 PM 7/8/2006, you wrote:
>>> First posting from a newbie scratch builder
>>>
>>> I have built the tail for my 601XL from a kit from
>> CZAW and have
>>> decided to scratch build the rest of the plane.
>>> I have taken delivery of the sheet aluminium and am
>> now in the
>>> process of marking out the skins for the flaps and
>> ailerons.
>>> My questions is for those who have already done
>> this is - should I
>>> pre-drill the holes while the aluminium is still
>> flat or should I
>>> wait until it is bent?
>>>
>>> Any suggestions gratefully received
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> 601XL plans built - wings - England
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
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> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
> Working on Wings
> www.ch601.org
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question for finished builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Joe:
Tell me you did not paint a naked lady on your
airplane! (that was rhetorical). Joe, you inspired me
a few years ago when you built your airplane in a tent
in your yard. You continue to inspire me and I
appreciate your posts. I think I may leave mine
unpainted for a while also. Thanks!
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
--- xl <xl@prosody.org> wrote:
> I wanted to fly so I did not do anything that wasn't
> necessary.
> No paint (except the cowl), no upholstery, no wheel
> pants.
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| Subject: | Re: Primer / paint question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Sometimes, too much is worst than not enough.
Just my opinion
Jean-Paul
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:45 PM
> Hello, all
>
> This is probably going to be obvious for a number of you.
>
> I have applied a first coat of zinc chromate to some parts with a sponge
brush.
> In some spots, I get an ugly effect when applying the second coat.
> It happens almost immediately.
> All parts where previously scrubbed with scotch brite (color to remain
unidentified), and then
> swiped with a clean rag. I always wear gloves while working. Cheaper than
H2O2 and band-aids. And
> avoids fingerprints.
>
> Any ideas what causes this? I see no apparent pattern...
>
> Carlos
> Montreal, Canada
> CH601-HD, plans
> do not archive
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? |
The glide ratio for a Zenith 801 at close to gross weight is,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 2-1. Thats two feet down for every one foot for
ward, <G> At least it sems like that. My guess is if a 172 has a ratio
of 10-1 the 801 is about half that. In fact every time I see the shuttle
land it reminds me of ol N801BH.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Hi all,
I haven't been able to find any number on this during my exhaustive sear
ches and wondered if anyone has performed any tests that would provide a
ny numbers to this regard.
I seem to recall reading in one or two places the the 801 sinks pretty q
uickly with no power. What's your experience?
Thanks and best regards,
Chris
--------
Chris Owens
Still Dreaming of a CH801
Waunakee, WI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45925#45925
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| Subject: | Primer / paint question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Do you wipe down the parts with a bit of MEK before priming? If you don't
like MEK, who does, then you can try methyl hydrate.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:15 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Primer / paint question
>
>
> Hello, all
>
> This is probably going to be obvious for a number of you.
>
> I have applied a first coat of zinc chromate to some parts
> with a sponge brush.
> In some spots, I get an ugly effect when applying the second coat.
> It happens almost immediately.
> All parts where previously scrubbed with scotch brite (color
> to remain unidentified), and then
> swiped with a clean rag. I always wear gloves while working.
> Cheaper than H2O2 and band-aids. And
> avoids fingerprints.
>
> Any ideas what causes this? I see no apparent pattern...
>
> Carlos
> Montreal, Canada
> CH601-HD, plans
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
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| Subject: | OT: World's First Ornithopter flight - for Aviation History |
buffs
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Here is an interesting article if any one is
interested or even KNOWS what an ornithopter is. I
saw this aircraft a few years back and saw the scale
model of it flying. Of little practical usefulness
but certainly an engineering feat. Here is the link:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1152395411588&call_pageid'8332188492&col'8793972154&t=TS_Home
If for some reason the hotlink doesn't work, copy and
paste the URL into your browser.
David
do not archive.
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Primer / paint question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Noel, the preparation consisted exclusively of scrubbing with scotch brite, and
then a clean rag
to remove the dust.
I let it dry 24h, and then applied a second coat.
I also tried letting it dry for 48 and 72 h, same results: random spots of "wrinkled"
(for lack
of better word) primer.
If a single coat suffices, then I don't have a problem.
If two coats are required, I may or may not have a problem...
Carlos
do not archive
--- Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> a crit :
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> Do you wipe down the parts with a bit of MEK before priming? If you don't
> like MEK, who does, then you can try methyl hydrate.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Question for finished builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yup my HDS went 400 hours and 7 years and only ever got the fiberglass
painted.
Trouble is the Wife won't let me move the RV to the airport until it has
paint...Having never painted before this task was daunting but it's a
lot of fun learning how...I have everything painted except the wings so
far
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of xl
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:14 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
I wanted to fly so I did not do anything that wasn't necessary.
No paint (except the cowl), no upholstery, no wheel pants.
I do get the 'when are you going to paint it?' and 'someday you'll
install wheel pants, right?' comments. But, I'm flying and that's what
matters to me. Yeah, the plane shows my personality.
I'd rather fly than paint, and I like the bare metal - that's the
primary reason. Painted planes look good too - but different.
If you plan to paint it, do it before you fly.
You won't want to take the time after the first flight.
It goes without saying that this is my opinion - and what do I know???
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
CH601XL, 365 hours and still no paint
started May 2003, at AWO ready to fly Dec 2003 build time = 1077.5 hours
Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 64x49 wood prop http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006, Brian kissinger wrote:
> I had a quick question, or actually a survey I guess, of finished
> builders who painted their airplanes before their 1st flight or waited
> until later (and benefits either way).
> Thanks, Brian "Brain" Kissinger
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| Subject: | Re: OT: World's First Ornithopter flight - for Aviation History |
buffs
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ihab.awad@gmail.com
On 7/10/06, David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Of little practical usefulness but certainly an engineering feat.
It's certainly of little usefulness now, but I suspect that, if
someone made this work, it would be more efficient and quiet than what
we have today. There would be no high-speed propeller or jet engine
churning up air and creating noise, and it would have the automatic
ability to turn into a glider without a prop or jet intake to create
drag. I suspect something could be done to create a super-STOL
aircraft, too. This could be the holy grail of personal aircraft
transport.
Ihab (who is not a fanboy or anything, no sir-ee)
--
Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Primer / paint question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Carlos:
Soap and water or a strong solvent will remove any
oils from the surface before priming. I usually make
it my last step before application. If you don't do
this, you can get places where the primer will "lift."
I only used one coat of primer for inside surfaces.
FWIW,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
--- Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa
>
> Noel, the preparation consisted exclusively of
> scrubbing with scotch brite, and then a clean rag
> to remove the dust.
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| Subject: | Re: Question for finished builders |
Brian, how you paint, when and with what is a personal touch and is really
the only large imprint you will make on your plane. I was at the hanger for a
flight Saturday morning and afterwards some adjustments. The fellow next door
was working on his RV 9. His plane is complete structure and he's wiring now. He
received a call that a pal of his was arriving in a bit in his RV9 so I was
expectant. The plane arrived and at a distance looked ok. Now I am no airplane
building master, but the fit and finish of this plane was very poor. Bucked up
skin edges on the fuselage, un even rivets lines and heads, long thick ugly
paint runs, rough edges that looked like they were cut with a hack saw. Even
had a trim line side that looked like a child had put it on with a Magic Marker.
To say the least it was very disappointing. My hanger neighbor's plane is a
marvel of perfect finish and attention to detail as his many years in the
aircraft industry would reflect. After the RV had departed he to indicated his
disappointment in the plane as well. Long story, short answer. If the outside
looks like crap the prudent pilot would reason that the insides were questionable
as well. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Flap mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rodney Mills <Ramills@charter.net>
Listers,
Thanks for all the replies on flap mounting Helped me make up my mind
on how I wanted to proceed.
Do not archive
Rodney Mills
601XL
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| Subject: | Question for finished builders |
How sad....Thats an expensive airplane to do such a poor job on.
I think though Bill your right in that there is a world of difference
betwen an aircraft that has been built and one that has been thrown
together. I have seen many zodiacs that look like they were hammered
into shape...Not in my airplane thanyou very much.
I had two most memeral experiences.
1) I had just finished the Zodiac...My local A&P (with IA of course)
showed up at my hangar on his way home from work...Now this guy was an
exercise in intimidation...Harley biker dude, rough gruff, he was good
and he knew it. He also had a heart of gold but I didn't know that then.
He grunted hello...just invited himself into my hangar and slooowly
walked around my airplane...Leans back against his El Camino and starts
rolling a joint..I mean cigarette...And I think...Here it comes, the
lecture about shade tree no hopers slamming together airplanes
lecture..he siad..."Frank I have to say...Pregnant pause....You made a
beautiful job job of building this airplane!"
Needless to say I couldn't stop the grin spreading across my face!...His
Name was Mike Farmer...4 years later i had the privilage of recieving
the phone call that he wanted to see me to sit with him at his death
bed... he was quite a guy and became one of my best friends.
2) All my expert (and I mean expert) builder friends show up on their
bikes..and my freshly painted fuse (RV7a) is outside the shop. Turns out
they wer'nt sure where I lived but happed to be tooling down my road and
aw the plane in my yard...Of course they all turn round and in they
come. One of these guys is an expert painter/airbrusher...He stood there
and gushed, "Frank it looks great, its not perfect but no paint job ever
is and I think you done a very nice job!"
For me at least these are points in my building career that mean a
lot...Kinda weired but I enjoy creating an airplane more than I enjoy
flying it really...But maybe that was because the HDS was SLOW!...I
think the 7a might be a little different....:)
Oh well enough waxing andback to work
Frank
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:50 AM
Brian, how you paint, when and with what is a personal touch and is
really the only large imprint you will make on your plane. I was at the
hanger for a flight Saturday morning and afterwards some adjustments.
The fellow next door was working on his RV 9. His plane is complete
structure and he's wiring now. He received a call that a pal of his was
arriving in a bit in his RV9 so I was expectant. The plane arrived and
at a distance looked ok. Now I am no airplane building master, but the
fit and finish of this plane was very poor. Bucked up skin edges on the
fuselage, un even rivets lines and heads, long thick ugly paint runs,
rough edges that looked like they were cut with a hack saw. Even had a
trim line side that looked like a child had put it on with a Magic
Marker. To say the least it was very disappointing. My hanger neighbor's
plane is a marvel of perfect finish and attention to detail as his many
years in the aircraft industry would reflect. After the RV had departed
he to indicated his disappointment in the plane as well. Long story,
short answer. If the outside looks like crap the prudent pilot would
reason that the insides were questionable as well. Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Flap mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Thanks Al. I took the instructions about where to "rough trim" the inboard edge
of the flap with a grain of salt and left some extra plus some more. I figured
it's alot easier to trim more than to try to add any back. I hope that works
out for me but I won't know for sure until I get the fuse ready to mate wings
to it.
Ed
---- Al Young <armyret@mchsi.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com>
>
> Ed- I've got no problem with it. I did the same thing but when I put the
> wing on the fuselage, I wasn't happy with the distance between the edge of
> the flap and the side skin of the fuselage. I ended up buying another
> hinge, and used half of it to replace the half that fits to the wing, and
> after setting the flap where I wanted it ( no binding) I re-drilled thru the
> original holes in the wing attachment points. It worked out fine, just
> extra work.
> Al Young
> 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder plans 6T4-2 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
I agree with that too. It will take some filler putty to make me comforatble with
the finish there even if nobody can see it.
Ed Moody II
---- Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> Larry, the story I get is that there was originally a fiberglass tip. The
> outfit that made the part became unreliable and ZAC changed to, what is in
> essence, a simple aluminum tip rib. Since the kit didn't come with the hinge
> brackets, the tail light, nor the fairing sheet, I expected that a "real" tip
would
> come with the other parts. Wrong! My tip didn't look finished, so I
> "dressed it up" a little with some body putty, just enough to fill in between
the
> skin and the radius of the rib flange. If I had it to do over, I would place
the
> rib so that the edge of the skin was at the beginning of that radius, not
> flush with the top of the rib.
>
> Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | To paint or not to paint |
All-
My question is, does flying an unpainted plane make it harder to
paint later (Apart from just wanting to keep flying it)?
I'm sure I'm going to tweak something after flying it, and figure
it's easier to do while the plane is green. Also, there are a couple of
good aircraft painters who have their own hangars within a 50 mile
radius. I'll probably wind up with a better job than I could do having
them spray the primer and major color coats and just do the trim myself.
Incidentally, I heard from EAA about the article. A go no-go
decision will have to wait until after Oshkosh.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Question for finished builders |
Frank, as hard as you work and fret over your airplanes I am sure this RV
you've built will be an eye pleasing performer. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing
tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft
edges of the tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm beginning
to think I was shipped a defective part. All comments are welcome and
appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
Dave-
Wow- I thought I had problems with my HDS tips! It looks like you
either trimmed them too far, or that you got tips for something other
than a 701. Check the plans and pictures.
Also, there's a ton of stuff in the archives from a year or two ago
under "Fiberglass Tip Ribs" on how to deal with the miserable SOBs. Rots
a ruck!
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: David Plozay
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing
tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft
edges of the tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm beginning
to think I was shipped a defective part. All comments are welcome and
appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
David,
I'm helping a friend build a 701. He did the first wing basic structure.
I came into the picture to do the wing tip and the wigh root. Fitting
the fiberglass tip was a real pain in the #*&%@ neck. I've done this
airplane building a bunch and the tips on my 601HD were much easier than
this 701. From what I see in your picture, you will have to really push
the fiberglass tip forward a bunch. I found it hard to mark an index
point that I could use on the leading edge wing skin and the fiberglass
tip for repeatability when fitting. Drilling the rivet holes so that
they fell in the center of the radius all the way around took a lot of
time. If I remember correctly ( it's been a couple of months since we
built that first wing - haven't done the other one yet ) we had to cut
some off the edges, near the top aft end of the Fiberglass tip. It took
us more than a half day just to fit and drill up the tip. It looked O.K.
when we got done.
When we started, I was sure it would never fit! But we did it. Don't
give up.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Plozay
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip
Fitting Problem
Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing
tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft
edges of the tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm beginning
to think I was shipped a defective part. All comments are welcome and
appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Re: To paint or not to paint |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Bill,
I believe it's best to paint first, if you've got confidence in the work
you did. It seems that when flying, you accumulate a greasy smog from
the air
and soot on the underbelly while flying and adjusting the carbs. Bugs
and birds do their thing really well too. Even when you clean the plane
regularly,
it's always a surprise how much crud and stuff has accumulated between
the jointed parts. One of the reasons I believe you add 100 hours or more
in exchange for flying it for a year or more before paint. There are
chemicals to clean the stuff, but you've got a lot of riveted seams in
the plane that
will also have oil and grease, etc packed between them which makes it a
doubly difficult job to do after the fact. I've been in paint mode
since starting
the booth in April and so far, only the small parts, are painted, tail
feathers are in prime and the wings and fuselage are still in the
hangar. It's fussy work
but I was forewarned. Hope to fly again sometime near September.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> My question is, does flying an unpainted plane make it harder to
> paint later (Apart from just wanting to keep flying it)?
> I'm sure I'm going to tweak something after flying it, and figure
> it's easier to do while the plane is green. Also, there are a couple
> of good aircraft painters who have their own hangars within a 50 mile
> radius. I'll probably wind up with a better job than I could do having
> them spray the primer and major color coats and just do the trim myself.
> Incidentally, I heard from EAA about the article. A go no-go
> decision will have to wait until after Oshkosh.
>
> Bill
> do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
I used a heat gun; looks like an industrial hair dryer. The heat, applied over
an area a bit larger than you think necessary, will soften the glass/epoxy enough
to bend, mold, form, etc, as you see fit.
One caution: WEAR GLOVES, it gets hot without changing color.
I used a damp cloth to quickly cool the piece once it fit.
There are probably at least fourteen other approaches.
One other thing.....don't bother trimming off any excess that will be inside the
wing. Offers more area to grab rivets.
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Zed/701/R912/92.007%/etc
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen R. Look" <slook@mchsi.com>
I just heard from ZAC. Sebastian said they are going to be redoing
the instructions and photos for the ailerons to make this clearer.
Anyway, he said to mark the flange of the aileron tip with a rivet
10mm in from the edge at each end and then put one in the middle
unless the spacing is more than 40mm in which case it wouldn't hurt
to put two rivets between. He said their demo plane has three rivets.
Steve
Steve Look
Monticello, IL
601XL - wings
"Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"
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| Subject: | Re: To paint or not to paint |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Not sure I my message will be a repeat (I took time to
read only a few). But my personal experience is that
if it is not painted before flying, chances are it
will spend years before being painted.
I find myself not ready to stop flying to do the
painting job. I fly almost every week since the plane
is in operation and I don't have the motivation to
take it appart and stop flying for a month to do the
paint job.
This winter, when I upgrade the engine, maybe I will
paint it, depending on timing (if nice spring days
coincide with engine installation done, no paint!).
Michel
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http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Always remember.... there has never been an airplane that fell out of the sky because
of the weight of a few extra rivets.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / 2nd wing
---- "Stephen R. Look" <slook@mchsi.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen R. Look" <slook@mchsi.com>
>
> I just heard from ZAC. Sebastian said they are going to be redoing
> the instructions and photos for the ailerons to make this clearer.
> Anyway, he said to mark the flange of the aileron tip with a rivet
> 10mm in from the edge at each end and then put one in the middle
> unless the spacing is more than 40mm in which case it wouldn't hurt
> to put two rivets between. He said their demo plane has three rivets.
>
> Steve
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
That wing tip looks pretty hopeless to me. Have you considered
laying up a new one?
In one case on my plane (a 601XL) I wound up cutting a slit in the
rear half of the fiberglass so I could make it stretch to fit the
metal and then laid some new glass and epoxy in the opening. I only
had about a 1/4 inch to fill, but it looks like you have a lot more
than that to deal with.
Paul
XL fuselage
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>Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass
>wing tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and
>top aft edges of the tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm
>beginning to think I was shipped a defective part. All comments are
>welcome and appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
Nice pic! Doubt that any parts from the mold that produced this tip
will be any different than this one, there is a way to fix it and it
will look perfect but is not something I can describe by typing, if you
will call me i'll be happy to walk you thru it.
Have done LOTS of FRP work . this isn't a big deal to fix properly.
Kinda gets your juices flowing however when parts you pay good money for
don't fit any better than this. email me off list and I'll send you my #
LOW&SLOW John
jnbolding1"at"teleshare.net replace the "at" with @
----- Original Message -----
From: David Plozay
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing
tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft
edges of the tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm beginning
to think I was shipped a defective part. All comments are welcome and
appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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Hi Guys,
I am a brand new member of the Zenith-List as yesterday. I am not
sure that this will be posted because I am not sure the I have received
the second e-mail from the guy who manages the list. I guess that would
be Mat Drail (I hope I got his name right.)
Anyway what I want to say is this. When you post a message you
should end it with your name and where you live. I am just starting a
ZodiacXL and would like to get to know some of the other people who are
building the same airplane. Here is an example of what I would like to
see on every message posted to this list.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
rstone4@hot.rr.com
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Welcome to the list! Since there are 701, 801, 601HD/HDS/XL and 640 builders
on the list it helps to also list what you are building and (if you are
brave) with what engine.
Craig
601XL/Corvair
Park City, UT
shoe size 8 1/2 EEE
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:32 PM
Hi Guys,
I am a brand new member of the Zenith-List as yesterday. I am not sure
that this will be posted because I am not sure the I have received the
second e-mail from the guy who manages the list. I guess that would be Mat
Drail (I hope I got his name right.)
Anyway what I want to say is this. When you post a message you should
end it with your name and where you live. I am just starting a ZodiacXL and
would like to get to know some of the other people who are building the same
airplane. Here is an example of what I would like to see on every message
posted to this list.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
rstone4@hot.rr.com
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Welcome to the parrtay....
Use " Do Not Archive " to keep from filling up list space & trim posts
to the point where we can recognize it. We would not need my response in
the archive files.
A "do not archive" ANYWHERE in the total body of messages is enough.
See what trimming I did to your post below.
HRII flying & helping with a 601XL. Waiting for the RV-12
Apple Valley CA APV They call me KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Posting
Hi Guys,
I am a brand new member of the Zenith-List as yesterday. would
be Mat Drail (I hope I got his name right.)
When you post a message you should end it with your name and where you
live. I am just starting a ZodiacXL Here is an example of what I would
like to see on every message posted to this list.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
rstone4@hot.rr.com
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Welcome to the list. I am scratch building a 601XL and PROUDLY hanging a
Corvair on the front. Are you starting from a kit or a hunk of aluminum?
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Moellering" <dfmoeller@austin.rr.com>
OK, I've taken delivery on my used 601XL. Great airplane, but one thing
bothers me. The rudder is so stiff. The previous owner tells me that its
due to the nosewheel strut collapsing onto the support and that sounds
reasonble. Its not bound, but takes a LOT of force to control.
Does anyone else have this issue, and can anything be done about it? Or
does anyone even notice.
(BTW, before someone tells me to search the archive if this is a common
complaint, I've run out of ideas on search strings and have found no mention
of the issue.)
Thanks for any help you can offer.
Doug
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Bob, welcome aboard.
If you want to locate builders in your area, try this: http://www.frappr.com/zenith601
Happy building
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans (assembling outboard wing panels)
Montreal, Canada
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--- "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com> a crit :
> Hi Guys,
> I am a brand new member of the Zenith-List as yesterday. I am not sure
that this will be
> posted because I am not sure the I have received the second e-mail from the guy
who manages the
> list. I guess that would be Mat Drail (I hope I got his name right.)
> Anyway what I want to say is this. When you post a message you should end
it with your
> name and where you live. I am just starting a ZodiacXL and would like to get
to know some of
> the other people who are building the same airplane. Here is an example of what
I would like
> to see on every message posted to this list.
>
> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
> rstone4@hot.rr.com
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>HRII flying & helping with a 601XL. Waiting for the RV-12
>Apple Valley CA APV They call me KABONG
There's a 601XL being built in Apple Valley?
Mike Fortunato
601XL
Alta Loma, CA (being built at Rialto)
Jab 3300
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Moellering" <dfmoeller@austin.rr.com>
Here's another question for you guys.
Does anyone have a good sample (meaning realistic) of a W&B sheet for a
601XL with Rotax 912ULS? And can you scan it and send to me? I'm trying to
get a sanity check on my numbers.
Thanks,
Doug
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Force |
Doug, my XL rudders peddles were stiff until I took the peddles completely
out, scothbited the ends and center support and used graphite grease to
reinstall. Also regrease the steering linkage ball joint ends. Smooth and gentle
now.
If you still have something binding jack up the front of the plane at the
bottom londergons and try the rudder peddles. If still stiff disconnect the two
steering rods and try the rudder. Also check the tightness of the bolt across
the front of the bottom plastic/rubber holder (?) that the front strut goes
through. I had mine way too tight. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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I would suggest tying the tail down instead of jacking the front up. Much
less chance of damaging the plane...No chance of having it slip on jacks.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:27 PM
Doug, my XL rudders peddles were stiff until I took the peddles completely
out, scothbited the ends and center support and used graphite grease to
reinstall. Also regrease the steering linkage ball joint ends. Smooth and
gentle now. If you still have something binding jack up the front of the
plane at the bottom londergons and try the rudder peddles. If still stiff
disconnect the two steering rods and try the rudder. Also check the
tightness of the bolt across the front of the bottom plastic/rubber holder
(?) that the front strut goes through. I had mine way too tight. Best
regards, Bill of Georgia
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No, it's a factory version, early bent wing, that lost it's canopy while
turning up wind here at APV. It's in a hanger here sloow going...sooo
far.. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Posting
>HRII flying & helping with a 601XL. Waiting for the RV-12
>Apple Valley CA APV They call me KABONG
There's a 601XL being built in Apple Valley?
Mike Fortunato
601XL
Alta Loma, CA (being built at Rialto)
Jab 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Force |
Can SLSA owners do their own maintenance?
Dan
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JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: Doug, my XL rudders peddles were stiff until I took
the peddles completely out, scothbited the ends and center support and used graphite
grease to reinstall. Also regrease the steering linkage ball joint ends.
Smooth and gentle now. If you still have something binding jack up the front
of the plane at the bottom londergons and try the rudder peddles. If still stiff
disconnect the two steering rods and try the rudder. Also check the tightness
of the bolt across the front of the bottom plastic/rubber holder (?) that
the front strut goes through. I had mine way too tight. Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Force |
MessageGet Bill of GA to send a pic of his stand he made for his XL...
A really good solution to get the front wheel off the ground, safely...
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rudder Force
I would suggest tying the tail down instead of jacking the front up.
Much less chance of damaging the plane...No chance of having it slip on
jacks.
Noel
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JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:27 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Force
Doug, my XL rudders peddles were stiff until I took the peddles
completely out, scothbited the ends and center support and used graphite
grease to reinstall. Also regrease the steering linkage ball joint ends.
Smooth and gentle now. If you still have something binding jack up the
front of the plane at the bottom londergons and try the rudder peddles.
If still stiff disconnect the two steering rods and try the rudder. Also
check the tightness of the bolt across the front of the bottom
plastic/rubber holder (?) that the front strut goes through. I had mine
way too tight. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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Dang! Texas is awash with 601XLs and poor ol' Louisiana ain't got nobody
but me so far. Actually there's an 801 about 15 miles from me in
Lafayette. Where's Harker Heights? Welcome ot the list,
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / 2nd wing
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From: Robert L. Stone
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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Posting
Hi Guys,
I am a brand new member of the Zenith-List as yesterday.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
rstone4@hot.rr.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I don't know if this will meet your needs:
www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/xl-w&b-new.pdf
Also look at this one if you have Excel:
www.ch601.org/resources/material/Wt&Bal-Your%20Plane.xls
-- Craig
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