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1. 02:26 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Chip W Erwin)
2. 03:10 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (CH701)
3. 03:36 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Jari Kaija)
4. 03:43 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip/Now image size (Monty Graves)
5. 05:25 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip/Now image size (Jari Kaija)
6. 05:50 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (ROBERT SCEPPA)
7. 06:06 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Kemter)
8. 06:26 AM - XL For sale (Al Young)
9. 06:36 AM - Re: Posting (Robert L. Stone)
10. 06:52 AM - Re: CH801 Glide Ratio (John M. Goodings)
11. 07:28 AM - Re: Rudder Force (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
12. 08:07 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Robert L. Stone)
13. 08:20 AM - Re: Glide Ratio (Zed Smith)
14. 08:25 AM - 701 roof question (Zed Smith)
15. 08:41 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Tom and Bren Henderson)
16. 09:05 AM - Re: Rudder Force (Jean-Paul Roy)
17. 09:18 AM - Re: Rudder Force (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
18. 09:24 AM - Re: Rudder Force (Christopher Smith)
19. 09:31 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Randy Bryant)
20. 09:31 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Christopher Smith)
21. 10:02 AM - CH801 Glide Ratio? (Keystone Engineering LLC)
22. 10:13 AM - (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) (N5SL)
23. 10:31 AM - Sun Shade (Robert L. Stone)
24. 10:55 AM - Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) (Christopher Smith)
25. 11:02 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Christopher Smith)
26. 11:02 AM - WING BUILDING, THANKS FOR REPLYS (AZFlyer)
27. 11:10 AM - Re: Sun Shade (N5SL)
28. 11:12 AM - Re: Sun Shade (Randy Bryant)
29. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: CH801 Glide Ratio (John Marzulli)
30. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: CH801 Glide Ratio (ron dewees)
31. 11:32 AM - Re: Sun Shade (PHFD400@aol.com)
32. 11:39 AM - Re: Sun Shade ()
33. 11:55 AM - Re: Sun Shade (ron dewees)
34. 12:29 PM - Glide ratio for the 601HDS (Klaus Truemper)
35. 01:19 PM - Re: Sun Shade (N5SL)
36. 01:32 PM - Re: Sun Shade (Robert L. Stone)
37. 01:35 PM - Re: Sun Shade (Robert L. Stone)
38. 01:41 PM - Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS (John Bolding)
39. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: CH801 Glide Ratio (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
40. 01:58 PM - Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
41. 02:02 PM - ( CH701 ) 1mm tolerance for the elevator tip ribs? (John Marzulli)
42. 02:15 PM - Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? (Chris In Madison)
43. 02:28 PM - Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS (Gig Giacona)
44. 03:38 PM - Re: ( CH701 ) 1mm tolerance for the elevator tip ribs? (MacDonald Doug)
45. 03:53 PM - Re: Rudder Force (NYTerminat@aol.com)
46. 03:58 PM - Re: 701 roof question (NYTerminat@aol.com)
47. 04:13 PM - Glide Ratio (4kix@comcast.net (Kathy Stanton))
48. 04:20 PM - Re: ( CH701 ) 1mm tolerance for the elevator tip ribs? (John Marzulli)
49. 04:36 PM - Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS (John Bolding)
50. 04:54 PM - Re: Rudder Force (Noel Loveys)
51. 05:51 PM - Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) (Dave Ruddiman)
52. 05:51 PM - 801 Glide Ratio (Dave Ruddiman)
53. 05:51 PM - Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS (Jaybannist@cs.com)
54. 06:14 PM - Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS (Christopher Smith)
55. 06:31 PM - Re: 801 Glide Ratio (Rory Davis)
56. 07:54 PM - 701 Wing Tip Fit Resolved - Thanks! (David Plozay)
57. 08:09 PM - Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) (Christopher Smith)
58. 08:39 PM - Re: 801 Glide Ratio (Dave Ruddiman)
59. 08:41 PM - Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) (Dave Ruddiman)
60. 08:55 PM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem ()
61. 09:22 PM - Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) (Christopher Smith)
62. 09:22 PM - Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
63. 09:37 PM - Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS (Chuck Deiterich)
64. 11:18 PM - Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) (Dave Ruddiman)
65. 11:29 PM - Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) (Dave Ruddiman)
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| Subject: | CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
Please learn some internet protocol. I am sure some listers have slow
dial-up or roaming e-mail and would not appreciate a 2mb photo.
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Plozay
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:03 PM
Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing tip to
fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft edges of the
tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm beginning to think I was
shipped a defective part. All comments are welcome and appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
I agree.
Dave, your problem is real, your picture was great in showing it, and this
list is the place to pose the question. However, that size attachment is a
killer for those with dial up, and for the list administrator considering
space required on his server for archive purposes.
There are several ways to shrink the size of your photos for future posts.
To prove my point, I took the liberty of making a few adjustments to your
photo, and have reduced its file size dramatically (2560 KB down to 12 KB)
without losing much impact. Feel free to email me off list if you'd like to
know how I made the adjustments.
Todd Henning
Do Not Archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chip W Erwin
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:17 AM
Please learn some internet protocol. I am sure some listers have slow
dial-up or roaming e-mail and would not appreciate a 2mb photo.
Do not archive
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Plozay
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:03 PM
Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing tip to
fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft edges of the
tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm beginning to think I was
shipped a defective part. All comments are welcome and appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
> Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass
> wing tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and
> top aft edges of the tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo).
> I'm beginning to think I was shipped a defective part.
Surely looks like, that you have tip from some other zenair's plane!
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03804.JPG
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03805.JPG
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03806.JPG
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03807.JPG
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03808.JPG
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03809.JPG
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03810.JPG
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03811.JPG
I ordered mine from "Czech Aircraft Works, s.r.o. (CZAW)"
and they fit perfectly.
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| Subject: | CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip/Now image size |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Lets not start a flame war over this. No pointing fingers either...BUT
Attached images really should be under 200Kb in size. 100Kb is better. A
2mb image is way way too large to send. My dial up connection will not
download an image of this size. It hangs up. I had to go to the provider
web page, delete the email, before I could download the rest of my
email... So I did not get to see the picture of the tip... Besides its a waste.
This means someone can't take a photo with your new digital camera and just
send it un edited. It needs to be reduced in size or the relevant portion
of the image needs to be cropped from the orginal large image and resaved
before sending.. Almost all image software now days that comes with the
computer does this. Its just a matter of learning the steps to do it.
A 100Kb image is about a 640 x 480 in size
A 200Kb image is about a 1024 x 768 in size
Matt has allowed us to send images, And I love to get them. Lets not
screw this up
Just a friendly reminder to keep the images screen size or smaller before
sending....... everyone will be happy.
Monty Graves
701 in Mid MO
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At 11:17 AM 7/11/2006 +0200, you wrote:
>Please learn some internet protocol. I am sure some listers have slow
>dial-up or roaming e-mail and would not appreciate a 2mb photo.
>
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip/Now image size |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
> It needs to be reduced in size or the relevant portion of the
> image needs to be cropped from the orginal large image and
> resaved before sending..
...and there is simple, free and usefull software for people,
who hasn't anykind already...
http://www.axiomx.com/picsizer.htm
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http://www.jarikaija.com
http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Those photos are perfect, nice closeups and detail.
> I will check out that outfit and order mine.Thanx
> Bob S.....Do not archive
--- Jari Kaija <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
> > Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting
> the fiberglass
> > wing tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting
> both the bottom and
> > top aft edges of the tip to fit flush with the
> wing (see photo).
> > I'm beginning to think I was shipped a defective
> part.
>
> Surely looks like, that you have tip from some other
> zenair's plane!
>
>
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03804.JPG
>
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03805.JPG
>
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03806.JPG
>
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03807.JPG
>
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03808.JPG
>
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03809.JPG
>
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03810.JPG
>
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/DSC03811.JPG
>
> I ordered mine from "Czech Aircraft Works, s.r.o.
> (CZAW)"
> and they fit perfectly.
>
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kemter" <kemter@msn.com>
David,
Out of curiosity was that a factory wing kit or scratch built? Surely those
wingtips can't be the correct ones.?.? Thought about sending them back and asking
for some new ones?
Jim
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Jim Kemter
Cibolo, TX
701 / undecided engine
working on tail feathers
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46322#46322
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List-
Due to various reasons, I have decided to sell my XL/3300A (N-601AY). I
will be glad to give any interested party a full account and answer any
questions. Please contact me off list.
Do Not Archive
Al Young
601XL
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Hi Ed,
According to the URL shown below, there are only nine and Texas is
a very large state so I would not call it awash with builders
http://www.frappr.com/zenith601
Thanks for the welcome and that goes for all of you other guys who
gave me a welcome to the list. Harker Heights is in Central Texas on
the US 190 about 6 miles east of Fort Hood and Killeen. It's a very
small town with no airport so we all fly out of Skylark (ILE) in
Killeen. Since the airport is on the east end of the city it's only
about 6 miles to the airport.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
Building a ZodiacCH601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Posting
Dang! Texas is awash with 601XLs and poor ol' Louisiana ain't got
nobody but me so far. Actually there's an 801 about 15 miles from me in
Lafayette. Where's Harker Heights? Welcome ot the list,
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / 2nd wing
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Posting
Hi Guys,
I am a brand new member of the Zenith-List as yesterday.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
rstone4@hot.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 Glide Ratio |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
Someone on the List a while back said "The 601/701/801 has the glide ratio
of a grand piano!" I stll chuckle about that - but it is fairly near the
truth! DO NOT ARCHIVE.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Waterloo/Toronto.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Force |
Noel, I just assumed everybody built a rocking support stand that spreads the
load on the bottom longeruns to gently lift the front wheel off the floor as
the front of the plane is lifted and rotates back on the rear wheels. If you
want I will try to send you a photo of the stand I built. Works great with a
tiny jack and is a good general support, Let me know, Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
Todd,
Weather or not David wants to know how to shrink a picture I am
sure some of the rest of do so please post this information on the
Zenith-List by all means. Pictures are worth a thousand words and
should be used to explain anything compliated however a very large
picture takes forever to down load unless one has a high speed server
like I do. I have Road Runner and web sites, attached pictures, etc
come up on screen at once, but all members do not have a high speed
system.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: CH701
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:07 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
I agree.
Dave, your problem is real, your picture was great in showing it, and
this list is the place to pose the question. However, that size
attachment is a killer for those with dial up, and for the list
administrator considering space required on his server for archive
purposes.
There are several ways to shrink the size of your photos for future
posts. To prove my point, I took the liberty of making a few
adjustments to your photo, and have reduced its file size dramatically
(2560 KB down to 12 KB) without losing much impact. Feel free to email
me off list if you'd like to know how I made the adjustments.
Todd Henning
Do Not Archive
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chip W
Erwin
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:17 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
Please learn some internet protocol. I am sure some listers have slow
dial-up or roaming e-mail and would not appreciate a 2mb photo.
Do not archive
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Plozay
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:03 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing
tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft
edges of the tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm beginning
to think I was shipped a defective part. All comments are welcome and
appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
A previous comment on this List alluded to the lack of a glide ratio.....
stated that, ".....power is required to land & and more power is required to stall;
takeoff in a stiff breeze requires none".
do not archive
Regards to all,
Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc
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| Subject: | 701 roof question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Using the pre-formed windshield on the 701, what method are builders using to attach
the front/forward edge of the PlexiGlas roof?
Is it simply tucked underneath the top rear edge to the windshield? Caulking used
here?
My 2001 version prints don't show any detail, and the "assembly manual" is the
older typewriter version.
Difficult to see on ZAC downloads.
Many happy rivets to all,
Zed/701/R912/etc
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| Subject: | CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
I'd like to suggest that internet protocol is evolving as quickly as the
internet itself. The Matronics lists are losing people as much for a LACK of
visual content (ie-Good Pics) as they would if everyone posted a daily pic.
I really like the Matronics lists for the advice and camaraderie present,
but it's nearly the ONLY aviation list out here that exists almost 100% in text
only form. Hey, radio was good, but TV conveys the message MUCH quicker and
with MUCH more clarity. Even a slow DSL line will download a 2MB image in seconds.
For those that insist on crawling through the phone lines (or those in technologically
challenged countries), a simple adjustment of their email application
will maintain this thoroughly frustrating text only experience.
Tom Henderson
McMinnville, Oregon
971-241-5035
Carving out my 601XL from scratch,
Fuselage nearly complete
Do not archive
Chip W Erwin <aircraft@czaw.cz> wrote: Please learn some
internet protocol. I am sure some listers have slow dial-up or roaming e-mail
and would not appreciate a 2mb photo.
Do not archive
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Plozay
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:03 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing tip to
fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft edges of the
tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm beginning to think I was shipped
a defective part. All comments are welcome and appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Force |
Bill, would you be kind enough to post your pictures on the Matronic
site so anybody could view it?
Thanks ahead
Jean-Paul Roy
Quebec, Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Force
Noel, I just assumed everybody built a rocking support stand that
spreads the load on the bottom longeruns to gently lift the front wheel
off the floor as the front of the plane is lifted and rotates back on
the rear wheels. If you want I will try to send you a photo of the stand
I built. Works great with a tiny jack and is a good general support, Let
me know, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Force |
Jean, I'll get to the hanger in the next couple days and take the photos to
post, Best regards, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Force |
I would like the pictures.
On 7/11/06, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Noel, I just assumed everybody built a rocking support stand that spreads
> the load on the bottom longeruns to gently lift the front wheel off the
> floor as the front of the plane is lifted and rotates back on the rear
> wheels. If you want I will try to send you a photo of the stand I built.
> Works great with a tiny jack and is a good general support, Let me know,
> Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
Speaking of a daily pic: Here's one I took yesterday that I'm proud
of... Finally, I've completed my spars... After the attachment holes
get drilled through the mains and center spar, I can start assembly!
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom and Bren Henderson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
I'd like to suggest that internet protocol is evolving as quickly
as the internet itself. The Matronics lists are losing people as much
for a LACK of visual content (ie-Good Pics) as they would if everyone
posted a daily pic.
I really like the Matronics lists for the advice and camaraderie
present, but it's nearly the ONLY aviation list out here that exists
almost 100% in text only form. Hey, radio was good, but TV conveys the
message MUCH quicker and with MUCH more clarity. Even a slow DSL line
will download a 2MB image in seconds.
For those that insist on crawling through the phone lines (or
those in technologically challenged countries), a simple adjustment of
their email application will maintain this thoroughly frustrating text
only experience.
Tom Henderson
McMinnville, Oregon
971-241-5035
Carving out my 601XL from scratch,
Fuselage nearly complete
Do not archive
Chip W Erwin <aircraft@czaw.cz> wrote:
Please learn some internet protocol. I am sure some listers have
slow dial-up or roaming e-mail and would not appreciate a 2mb photo.
Do not archive
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Plozay
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:03 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass
wing tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top
aft edges of the tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm
beginning to think I was shipped a defective part. All comments are
welcome and appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
I will post how to do this on my site in the next hour or two using a free
program with step by step pictures. You will be able to download the program
as well. http://ch-601xl.com
On 7/11/06, Robert L. Stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Todd,
> Weather or not David wants to know how to shrink a picture I am sure
> some of the rest of do so please post this information on the Zenith-List by
> all means. Pictures are worth a thousand words and should be used to
> explain anything compliated however a very large picture takes forever to
> down load unless one has a high speed server like I do. I have Road Runner
> and web sites, attached pictures, etc come up on screen at once, but all
> members do not have a high speed system.
>
> Bob Stone
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* CH701 <701stol@gmail.com>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:07 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
>
> I agree.
>
> Dave, your problem is real, your picture was great in showing it, and this
> list is the place to pose the question. However, that size attachment is a
> killer for those with dial up, and for the list administrator considering
> space required on his server for archive purposes.
>
> There are several ways to shrink the size of your photos for future posts.
> To prove my point, I took the liberty of making a few adjustments to your
> photo, and have reduced its file size dramatically (2560 KB down to 12 KB)
> without losing much impact. Feel free to email me off list if you'd like
> to know how I made the adjustments.
>
> Todd Henning
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Chip W Erwin
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:17 AM
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
>
> Please learn some internet protocol. I am sure some listers have slow
> dial-up or roaming e-mail and would not appreciate a 2mb photo.
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David Plozay
> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2006 8:03 PM
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
>
>
> Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing tip
> to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft edges of
> the tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm beginning to think I was
> shipped a defective part. All comments are welcome and appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> David
>
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | CH801 Glide Ratio? |
Hi
I tried figuring this out last nigh so I went flying. At 68 mph with no power
I was dropping 850'/min. 68 mph is 100'/sec or 6000'/min. That is a glide ratio
of 7:1. I do have 8.50x6 tires on the mains which is probably bigger than
the 8.00's every body else has. Coming from a background of flying a Tri-pacer
with large tires the glide ratio looks familiar.
When I'm flying over water I figure for every 1000' I'm up I can glide a mile.
Heck at 7:1, I may have enough altitude to fly a pattern.
As my buddy says "this ain't no Cessna". If you want Cessna performance, you should
buy a Cessna!
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
Valdez, AK
Finally flying after fixing what I broke. Soon to be on floats.
260 Hrs
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| Subject: | (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) |
Thank you Tom!
That was very prophetic. I like pictures also - the
bigger the better.
I especially like your daily pic idea. So I'll start
this off and attach my "daily pic" which is me looking
like an idiot while I pose for a picture acting like
I'm actually working on my canopy.
Hopefully it's not too big to offend anyone. In the
future I will just post a link, but I want to try this
picture-posting thing out.
Scott Laughlin
Other pictures at:
www.cooknwithgas.com
--- Tom and Bren Henderson
<admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
> I'd like to suggest that internet protocol is
> evolving as quickly as the internet itself. The
> Matronics lists are losing people as much for a LACK
> of visual content (ie-Good Pics) as they would if
> everyone posted a daily pic.
__________________________________________________
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Members,
I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held at Hondo, Texas and
while I was there I saw a sun shade that I should have gotten the name
of the manufacture because for drivers of airplanes that have a tear
drop or bubble canopy, this is the perfect sun shade. I was just
wondering if any of you on this list may have seen one of these sun
shades. I will do my best to describe it.
It was about 22 inches in diameter, black with suction cups around
the edge and center when in use. When not in use all you have to do is
twist it like a band saw blade and it becomes about 5 1/2 inches in
diameter. If any of you have ever seen one of these and knows who the
manufacture is, I would very much like to order one of these sun shades
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
Building ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) |
The picture you posted is small (95K). It's the 1 or 2 meg pictures that are
bad for the slow guys.
On 7/11/06, N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Tom!
>
> That was very prophetic. I like pictures also - the
> bigger the better.
>
> I especially like your daily pic idea. So I'll start
> this off and attach my "daily pic" which is me looking
> like an idiot while I pose for a picture acting like
> I'm actually working on my canopy.
>
> Hopefully it's not too big to offend anyone. In the
> future I will just post a link, but I want to try this
> picture-posting thing out.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> Other pictures at:
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
> --- Tom and Bren Henderson
> <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to suggest that internet protocol is
> > evolving as quickly as the internet itself. The
> > Matronics lists are losing people as much for a LACK
> > of visual content (ie-Good Pics) as they would if
> > everyone posted a daily pic.
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
OK it's up now.
do not archive
On 7/11/06, Christopher Smith <ch601xl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will post how to do this on my site in the next hour or two using a free
> program with step by step pictures. You will be able to download the program
> as well. http://ch-601xl.com
>
>
> On 7/11/06, Robert L. Stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > Todd,
> > Weather or not David wants to know how to shrink a picture I am
> > sure some of the rest of do so please post this information on the
> > Zenith-List by all means. Pictures are worth a thousand words and should be
> > used to explain anything compliated however a very large picture takes
> > forever to down load unless one has a high speed server like I do. I have
> > Road Runner and web sites, attached pictures, etc come up on screen at once,
> > but all members do not have a high speed system.
> >
> > Bob Stone
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* CH701 <701stol@gmail.com>
> > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:07 AM
> > *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > Dave, your problem is real, your picture was great in showing it, and
> > this list is the place to pose the question. However, that size attachment
> > is a killer for those with dial up, and for the list administrator
> > considering space required on his server for archive purposes.
> >
> > There are several ways to shrink the size of your photos for future
> > posts. To prove my point, I took the liberty of making a few
> > adjustments to your photo, and have reduced its file size dramatically (2560
> > KB down to 12 KB) without losing much impact. Feel free to email me off
> > list if you'd like to know how I made the adjustments.
> >
> > Todd Henning
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> > owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Chip W Erwin
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:17 AM
> > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
> >
> > Please learn some internet protocol. I am sure some listers have slow
> > dial-up or roaming e-mail and would not appreciate a 2mb photo.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> > owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David Plozay
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2006 8:03 PM
> > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Zenith-List: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem
> >
> >
> >
> > Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing
> > tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft edges
> > of the tip to fit flush with the wing (see photo). I'm beginning to think I
> > was shipped a defective part. All comments are welcome and appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Christopher W. E. Smith
> fly1m1
> http://ch-601xl.com
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | WING BUILDING, THANKS FOR REPLYS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "AZFlyer" <millrML@AOL.com>
Thanks to all the sent their notes and feelings on this topic... appreciate the
input...
talk soon,
do not archive
--------
Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
601 XL, 3300
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46403#46403
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Bob:
I saw these at Sun-n Fun this year. I thought they
were perfect also but didn't buy one since my canopy
was still in a box. Now I wish I had. Give me two
weeks and I'll find them at Oshkosh. I will buy one
this time.
Scott Laughlin
601XL working on Canopy
Omaha, Nebraska
www.cooknwithgas.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
> Members,
> I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held
> at Hondo, Texas and while I was there I saw a sun
> shade
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There is a guy who reads this list from time to time, Jim Olsen, who has
one installed in his 601HDS... He might be able to elaborate on this...
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: Zenith List ; Zodiac CH601XL List
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Sun Shade
Members,
I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held at Hondo, Texas
and while I was there I saw a sun shade that I should have gotten the
name of the manufacture because for drivers of airplanes that have a
tear drop or bubble canopy, this is the perfect sun shade. I was just
wondering if any of you on this list may have seen one of these sun
shades. I will do my best to describe it.
It was about 22 inches in diameter, black with suction cups
around the edge and center when in use. When not in use all you have to
do is twist it like a band saw blade and it becomes about 5 1/2 inches
in diameter. If any of you have ever seen one of these and knows who the
manufacture is, I would very much like to order one of these sun shades
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
Building ZodiacXL
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 Glide Ratio |
I would think that the 601 would have a much better glide ratio given how
much cleaner of an airframe it is.
-John in Seattle
On 7/11/06, John M. Goodings <goodings@yorku.ca> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
>
> Someone on the List a while back said "The 601/701/801 has the glide ratio
> of a grand piano!" I stll chuckle about that - but it is fairly near the
> truth! DO NOT ARCHIVE.
>
> John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Waterloo/Toronto.
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 Glide Ratio |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hay John,
It could be worse-- how about a upright piano?
Ron
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John M. Goodings wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
>
>Someone on the List a while back said "The 601/701/801 has the glide ratio
>of a grand piano!" I stll chuckle about that - but it is fairly near the
>truth! DO NOT ARCHIVE.
>
>John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Waterloo/Toronto.
>
>
>
>
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I tried the suction cup type of sun shade, you can get them at the local
auto parts stores. I got tired of the little round spots left from the suction
cups, or falling off when you come in for a landing. I now have the slide
sun shade the Van's aircraft uses on the RV-6 type canopys. I called the
company (Kroger sun shade) that makes them for Van and told them I needed about
12
inch longer shade. He made one up for me and it works great. You can slide
it back to the rear of the canopy and lock in place by a small thumb type
screw. It is a light grey colored material and slides on a "C" type aluminum
channel that attaches to the top of the canopy with double 3M type provided
with the sun shade kit.
Very easy to install, just have to make sure you bend the sliding "C"
channel to the exact curvature of the top of your canopy.
Here is the web site for the company, they will make up what ever size you
need. I had them extend there stock item by 12 inches and it works great on
my 601HDS.
_http://cleavelandtool.com/kogercompany/sunshade.htm_
(http://cleavelandtool.com/kogercompany/sunshade.htm)
Jim Olson
Murphy, NC
CH601HDS N56BJ 285 hrs
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
I haven't seen the twist-to-store one you describe but Vans retails a very convenient
one that a friend uses in his RV7-A. It can be retracted with one hand
without looking and is very effective under the greenhouse of the bubble canopy.
Click on the link below:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1136932743-0-756&browse=airframe&product=koger-shade
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / 2nd wing
> From: Robert L. Stone
> Members,
> I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held at Hondo, Texas and while
I was there I saw a sun shade that I should have gotten the name of the manufacture
because for drivers of airplanes that have a tear drop or bubble canopy,
this is the perfect sun shade.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Bob,
If I understand correctly from your description- it's a spring bordered
sun shade available at Auto Zone or K Mart, etc. SUVs and cars pop them
on windows to keep shade on kids and dogs etc. I got a set of two small
square ones and a larger foldable one for about $10 two years ago. Mine
has a Tweety Bird logo in it but is very sheer like fiberglass screen
material and does a good job of shading my bald head from the sun. You
just pull on the suction cups to relocate it for best sun relief.
Heaven forbid that it was an aircraft part or it would start at $100
bucks and have to have an IA install it.
Good luck
Ron
Robert L. Stone wrote:
> Members,
> I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held at Hondo, Texas
> and while I was there I saw a sun shade that I should have gotten the
> name of the manufacture because for drivers of airplanes that have a
> tear drop or bubble canopy, this is the perfect sun shade. I was just
> wondering if any of you on this list may have seen one of these sun
> shades. I will do my best to describe it.
> It was about 22 inches in diameter, black with suction cups
> around the edge and center when in use. When not in use all you have
> to do is twist it like a band saw blade and it becomes about 5 1/2
> inches in diameter. If any of you have ever seen one of these and
> knows who the manufacture is, I would very much like to order one of
> these sun shades
>
> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
> Building ZodiacXL
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Glide ratio for the 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Klaus Truemper <klaus@utdallas.edu>
Hi,
In the response to the glide ratio report for the 801 (it was about
7:1), someone also mentioned a quote
**
"The 601/701/801 has the glide ratio of a grand piano!"
**I do not know about the glide ratio of the 701 and 801, but for the
601HDS a decent ratio can be
attained using wing root fairings. For my 601HDS such fairings have
produced the following
for a reasonable total weight produced by pilot and passenger:
Power-off best glide @ 1,020 lbs: 65 KIAS with 650 ft/min sink rate.
This translates to
a glide ratio of 10:1. As a result, the plane comes in for landing much
like a Cessna.
For details, see
http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/airplane.html
Best wishes,
Klaus Truemper
--
Klaus Truemper
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
University of Texas at Dallas
Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
Computer Science EC31
P.O. Box 830688
Richardson, TX 75083-0688
(972) 883-2712
klaus@utdallas.edu
www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Bob:
I found the business card in my Sun-n Fun file. Rosen
Visors. Kathy Irvin is the Aviation Market Manager at
541-747-0034. Here's the website for the thing you
were looking at I think:
http://www.rosenvisor.com/aviation/detail.asp?idproduct=114&idCategory=15&idSubCategory=33
It's called a crewshade.
Scott Laughlin
601XL
Omaha, Nebraska
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
--- "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
> Members,
> I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held
> at Hondo, Texas and while I was there I saw a sun
> shade
__________________________________________________
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Scott,
I am sure the sales rep from the manufacture will be at Oshkosh and if
you are able to locate him/her. please send me complete information so I can
get one or two of those sun shades. I don't know where you live but if it's
down south you know what it's going to be like flying under a bubble canopy
during the months of June thru September with the sun boiling your brains.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:09 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Bob:
>
> I saw these at Sun-n Fun this year. I thought they
> were perfect also but didn't buy one since my canopy
> was still in a box. Now I wish I had. Give me two
> weeks and I'll find them at Oshkosh. I will buy one
> this time.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> 601XL working on Canopy
> Omaha, Nebraska
> www.cooknwithgas.com
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> --- "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Members,
>> I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held
>> at Hondo, Texas and while I was there I saw a sun
>> shade
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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Hi Jim,
Thanks for your input, I think you are right about the suction cups
not holding and the shade falling in the pilot's face at a critical time
so I think I will get one of the shades you mentioned from Van's
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: PHFD400@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun Shade
I tried the suction cup type of sun shade, you can get them at the
local auto parts stores. I got tired of the little round spots left
from the suction cups, or falling off when you come in for a landing. I
now have the slide sun shade the Van's aircraft uses on the RV-6 type
canopys. I called the company (Kroger sun shade) that makes them for
Van and told them I needed about 12 inch longer shade. He made one up
for me and it works great. You can slide it back to the rear of the
canopy and lock in place by a small thumb type screw. It is a light
grey colored material and slides on a "C" type aluminum channel that
attaches to the top of the canopy with double 3M type provided with the
sun shade kit.
Very easy to install, just have to make sure you bend the sliding "C"
channel to the exact curvature of the top of your canopy.
Here is the web site for the company, they will make up what ever size
you need. I had them extend there stock item by 12 inches and it works
great on my 601HDS.
http://cleavelandtool.com/kogercompany/sunshade.htm
Jim Olson
Murphy, NC
CH601HDS N56BJ 285 hrs
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Bolding" <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is the difference in
glide between power off and engine stopped.
I got pretty good at power off landings in my RV3 and could coast to a stop
next to my hanger 3 out of 4 times but when the engine shelled out (yes,
it's true Mable ,them Lycomings break too) about a half mile from the
airport with plenty of altitude, I had to land on the road dodging
powerlines and cars. There is a LARGE difference in glide ratio.
John
> "The 601/701/801 has the glide ratio of a grand piano!"
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 Glide Ratio |
Nope....the 601 HDS comes down like a brick...great for short strip with
big trees...:)
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Marzulli
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:29 AM
I would think that the 601 would have a much better glide ratio given
how much cleaner of an airframe it is.
-John in Seattle
On 7/11/06, John M. Goodings <goodings@yorku.ca> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <
goodings@yorku.ca>
Someone on the List a while back said "The 601/701/801 has the
glide ratio
of a grand piano!" I stll chuckle about that - but it is fairly
near the
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Glide ratio for the 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Ya landing engine out is not something I ever felt the desire to
practice...It might not fire up again if you get it wrong...:)
Frank
HDS 400 hours...SOLD thanks to barnstormers
RV7a paint...About 6 weeks from flight yahoo!
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Bolding
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:39 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Bolding"
--> <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is the difference
in glide between power off and engine stopped.
I got pretty good at power off landings in my RV3 and could coast to a
stop next to my hanger 3 out of 4 times but when the engine shelled out
(yes, it's true Mable ,them Lycomings break too) about a half mile from
the airport with plenty of altitude, I had to land on the road dodging
powerlines and cars. There is a LARGE difference in glide ratio.
John
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| Subject: | ( CH701 ) 1mm tolerance for the elevator tip ribs? |
So the directions are telling me to take special caution to ensure a 1mm
tolerance for drilling 7V6-3 to the elevator spar. Does anyone have a good
way of doing a sanity check against the measurements? Honestly 1mm is really
a tight tolerance, that's less than the width of a sharpie line AND it
could be really easy to be neither accurate or precise with a tape measure
over that long a distance.
Is this tolerence due to the skins being pre-drilled?
Thanks,
--
John in Seattle
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Hi Bill,
Thanks for taking the time to run the numbers. That's good information to have
as I assemble my plan of attack. Seems like you've got to keep on your toes
with this one if you lose the big spinner :-)
Valdez, eh? A good friend of mine, Andy Prince, is from Valdez. He's living in
Portland at the moment. His mom worked for the pipeline services last I recall,
and I thought he said his dad was a pilot. Small world :-)
Best regards,
Chris
--------
Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46474#46474
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Klaus, add to that it just plain looks good. Quick question. Does the fairing cover
any of the bottom of the wing or just the top half? Can't tell from the pictures.
klaus(at)utdallas.edu wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> For details, see
> http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/airplane.html
>
>
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: ( CH701 ) 1mm tolerance for the elevator tip ribs? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
I am currently scratch building my second
elevator(don't ask what happened to version one). The
main reason that I can see for being careful with the
length is that the evlevator must fit snugly between
the hinge plates at the end. If it were too long it
would bind.
When you get to the skin I have a couple of tech tips
for you. Firstly, if you duct tape 3/4 x 1.5 x 7 ft
strips of wood to the 016 skin at the top side and
bottom side, it adds significant rigidity to the skins
and help prevent dreaded smiles by spreading out any
forces applied to the skin.
Secondly, the instructions are a little vague on the
match point for the bend at the nose. In one section
it refers to the "leading edge" point. In the skin
assembly section it refers to it as the radius center.
They are the same point. Be very careful with lining
this up since it will directly affect the trailing
edge fit.
Also, I personally recomend only drilling a couple of
holes in the elevator skin at first. Attach the skin
to the skeleton at only these two spots. Then use a
string or flexable drafting edge to follow the path of
the skin and compair the position of the trailing
edges. They must meet evenly. I hope this
description makes more sense to you than it does to
me.
Doug MacDonald
NW Ontario, Canada
CH-701 scratch builder
rudder, stab, and most of an elevator
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Force |
I
Bill,
I'd like to see what you made.
Bob Spudis
Noel, I just assumed everybody built a rocking support stand that spreads
the load on the bottom longeruns to gently lift the front wheel off the floor
as the front of the plane is lifted and rotates back on the rear wheels. If
you want I will try to send you a photo of the stand I built. Works great with
a tiny jack and is a good general support, Let me know, Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: 701 roof question |
Zed,
I used a thin self stick weather strip that got sandwiched in.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX
In a message dated 7/11/2006 11:26:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
zsmith3rd@earthlink.net writes:
Using the pre-formed windshield on the 701, what method are builders using
to attach the front/forward edge of the PlexiGlas roof?
Is it simply tucked underneath the top rear edge to the windshield?
Caulking used here?
My 2001 version prints don't show any detail, and the "assembly manual" is
the older typewriter version.
Difficult to see on ZAC downloads.
Many happy rivets to all,
Zed/701/R912/etc
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Hi all,
New builder of an 801 here. Well, brother is actually the builder I am just the pilot. I would like to add an article that as soon as we finish our plane I will test this out but in the meantime maybe some of you that are flying may want to check this technique out and let us all know what you came up with. Please check it out at http://4kix.us/_wsn/page2.html
Half way done (in only 7 weeks brother is possessed)
801
Want to use the Delta 180 HPdiesel
Jackson, MI
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| Subject: | Re: ( CH701 ) 1mm tolerance for the elevator tip ribs? |
Thanks for the tips.
-John in Seattle
On 7/11/06, MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>
> I am currently scratch building my second
> elevator(don't ask what happened to version one). The
> main reason that I can see for being careful with the
> length is that the evlevator must fit snugly between
> the hinge plates at the end. If it were too long it
> would bind.
>
> When you get to the skin I have a couple of tech tips
> for you. Firstly, if you duct tape 3/4 x 1.5 x 7 ft
> strips of wood to the 016 skin at the top side and
> bottom side, it adds significant rigidity to the skins
> and help prevent dreaded smiles by spreading out any
> forces applied to the skin.
>
> Secondly, the instructions are a little vague on the
> match point for the bend at the nose. In one section
> it refers to the "leading edge" point. In the skin
> assembly section it refers to it as the radius center.
> They are the same point. Be very careful with lining
> this up since it will directly affect the trailing
> edge fit.
>
> Also, I personally recomend only drilling a couple of
> holes in the elevator skin at first. Attach the skin
> to the skeleton at only these two spots. Then use a
> string or flexable drafting edge to follow the path of
> the skin and compair the position of the trailing
> edges. They must meet evenly. I hope this
> description makes more sense to you than it does to
> me.
>
> Doug MacDonald
> NW Ontario, Canada
> CH-701 scratch builder
> rudder, stab, and most of an elevator
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Bolding" <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Ya landing engine out is not something I ever felt the desire to
> practice...It might not fire up again if you get it wrong...:)
>
> Frank
> HDS 400 hours...SOLD thanks to barnstormers
> RV7a paint...About 6 weeks from flight yahoo!
>
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Actually I wasn''t suggesting that anyone practice it (engine off), only be
aware that the parameters that someone learns while practicing idle power
landings are gonna be different from engine stopped, maybe a LOT, they were
for me.
John
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The reason I mentioned tying the tail down is that is the procedure used
to
do retract tests on smaller twins.
When I was a teenager we used the same procedure and the main gear to do
retract tests on the nose wheel of my fathers LA-4. The nose wheel
retract
tests on the Lake were necessary on an annual basis to check the
operation
of the front gear doors for water landing. Believe me you don't want
those
doors open even a crack when water landing!! We use to jump out the WOW
switch and hold the main gear locks in place with vise grips.
Down force on the tail against the main gear is something the plane
undergoes on every take off. The only thing is to make sure there is
enough
weight to keep the tail down when there is a person in the pilot seat.
Larger Transport Category planes do have forward jacking points used
for
retract tests.
As I also said in an earlier post.... with the tail tied down there is
no
chance of having the plane fall off jacks as the mains are still on the
ground and only the nose wheel is elevated. the absolute worst that can
happen is the plane may lift the tail weight and allow the nose wheel to
come in contact with the floor.
We used 2 - 90 gal. drums half filled with good old water to ballast the
tails.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:56 AM
Noel, I just assumed everybody built a rocking support stand that
spreads
the load on the bottom longeruns to gently lift the front wheel off the
floor as the front of the plane is lifted and rotates back on the rear
wheels. If you want I will try to send you a photo of the stand I built.
Works great with a tiny jack and is a good general support, Let me know,
Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) |
Hey, who you callin' slow?
Me no archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks
delete now)
The picture you posted is small (95K). It's the 1 or 2 meg pictures
that are bad for the slow guys.
On 7/11/06, N5SL < nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you Tom!
That was very prophetic. I like pictures also - the
bigger the better.
I especially like your daily pic idea. So I'll start
this off and attach my "daily pic" which is me looking
like an idiot while I pose for a picture acting like
I'm actually working on my canopy.
Hopefully it's not too big to offend anyone. In the
future I will just post a link, but I want to try this
picture-posting thing out.
Scott Laughlin
Other pictures at:
www.cooknwithgas.com
--- Tom and Bren Henderson
<admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
> I'd like to suggest that internet protocol is
> evolving as quickly as the internet itself. The
> Matronics lists are losing people as much for a LACK
> of visual content (ie-Good Pics) as they would if
> everyone posted a daily pic.
__________________________________________________
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Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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So, assuming all scientific data is in on the glide ratio of an 801, If
have a grand piano I can safely assume it will glide like an 801. What
if I have an upright piano? Has anyone studied it's glide ratio?
Dave in Salem
801 builder that hopes it glides better than a piano.
Don't archive this valuable information
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS |
My dead stick landing experience was in a Cherokee 180. The prop stopped
because of a broken crankshaft. This extended my glide so much that I misjudged
the approach and had to make an abbreviated pattern before landing (on a paved
runway). I've always read that a windmilling prop created more drag than a
stopped one. Some have even suggested to try to stop a prop by stalling, to
increase the glide. That sounds kinda flakey to me, but to each his own.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS |
By slowing to a slower speed than best glide speed, you are increasing the
rate of decent and losing precious altitude.
On 7/11/06, Jaybannist@cs.com <Jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
>
> My dead stick landing experience was in a Cherokee 180. The prop stopped
> because of a broken crankshaft. This extended my glide so much that I
> misjudged the approach and had to make an abbreviated pattern before landing
> (on a paved runway). I've always read that a windmilling prop created more
> drag than a stopped one. Some have even suggested to try to stop a prop by
> stalling, to increase the glide. That sounds kinda flakey to me, but to
> each his own.
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Glide Ratio |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
Dave Ruddiman wrote:
> So, assuming all scientific data is in on the glide ratio of an 801,
> If have a grand piano I can safely assume it will glide like an 801.
> What if I have an upright piano? Has anyone studied it's glide ratio?
>
> Dave in Salem
> 801 builder that hopes it glides better than a piano.
>
> Don't archive this valuable information
See for yourself: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHyAmEFNXYg>
Rory
CH-701SP from kit
Lacombe, LA
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| Subject: | 701 Wing Tip Fit Resolved - Thanks! |
Thanks to all the positive advise I received I was able to get the tip
to fit. Here's how:
I trimmed 20 mm off the top aft edge of the tip. This allowed the tip to
rotate forward for a flush fit. The top aft tip edge now extends 10 mm
behind the wing root. In this position, the tip's flat surface (where
the position lights go) is parallel to wing rib number 6. To measure
draw a line near the wing tip edge that is parallel to wing rib number
6. Then hold a level flush with the tip's flat surface and measure from
that to the parallel line (see attached photo, 'measuring horizontal
fit.jpg'). Also, vertically, I ended up with an angle of about 93
degrees; again measuring from the flat surface of the fiberglass tip
(see attached photo, 'measuring vertical fit.jpg').
Thanks again to all the helpful people on this list.
Sincerely,
David
CH701
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| Subject: | Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) |
OK....The TCP packet velocity challenged.
do not archive
On 7/11/06, Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hey, who you callin' slow?
>
>
> Me no archive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Christopher Smith <ch601xl@gmail.com>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks
> delete now)
>
> The picture you posted is small (95K). It's the 1 or 2 meg pictures that
> are bad for the slow guys.
>
> On 7/11/06, N5SL < nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Tom!
> >
> > That was very prophetic. I like pictures also - the
> > bigger the better.
> >
> > I especially like your daily pic idea. So I'll start
> > this off and attach my "daily pic" which is me looking
> > like an idiot while I pose for a picture acting like
> > I'm actually working on my canopy.
> >
> > Hopefully it's not too big to offend anyone. In the
> > future I will just post a link, but I want to try this
> > picture-posting thing out.
> >
> > Scott Laughlin
> > Other pictures at:
> > www.cooknwithgas.com
> >
> > --- Tom and Bren Henderson
> > <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to suggest that internet protocol is
> > > evolving as quickly as the internet itself. The
> > > Matronics lists are losing people as much for a LACK
> > > of visual content (ie-Good Pics) as they would if
> > > everyone posted a daily pic.
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Christopher W. E. Smith
> fly1m1
> http://ch-601xl.com
>
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Glide Ratio |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
OK, this guy has way to much time on his hands. I still say my 801 will
glide better than a piano. By the way Rory, you must have plenty of time too
if you could find a video like this one. I wonder if he has tried a human
yet?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:26 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rory Davis <n7cr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Dave Ruddiman wrote:
>> So, assuming all scientific data is in on the glide ratio of an 801, If
>> have a grand piano I can safely assume it will glide like an 801. What if
>> I have an upright piano? Has anyone studied it's glide ratio?
>> Dave in Salem
>> 801 builder that hopes it glides better than a piano.
>> Don't archive this valuable information
> See for yourself: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHyAmEFNXYg>
>
> Rory
> CH-701SP from kit
> Lacombe, LA
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) |
Huh?
no archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks
delete now)
OK....The TCP packet velocity challenged.
do not archive
On 7/11/06, Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
Hey, who you callin' slow?
Me no archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up
folks delete now)
The picture you posted is small (95K). It's the 1 or 2 meg
pictures that are bad for the slow guys.
On 7/11/06, N5SL < nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you Tom!
That was very prophetic. I like pictures also - the
bigger the better.
I especially like your daily pic idea. So I'll start
this off and attach my "daily pic" which is me looking
like an idiot while I pose for a picture acting like
I'm actually working on my canopy.
Hopefully it's not too big to offend anyone. In the
future I will just post a link, but I want to try this
picture-posting thing out.
Scott Laughlin
Other pictures at:
www.cooknwithgas.com
--- Tom and Bren Henderson
<admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
> I'd like to suggest that internet protocol is
> evolving as quickly as the internet itself. The
> Matronics lists are losing people as much for a LACK
> of visual content (ie-Good Pics) as they would if
> everyone posted a daily pic.
__________________________________________________
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jf701@sbcglobal.net>
" Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing
tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft
edges of the tip to fit flush with the wing..."
David:
Haven't seen the photo you mentioned, but just about everybody runs into
problems with these wingtips. I decided the main thing is to
make sure you have the tip rotated back far enough so the bottom of the
airfoil remains flat; i.e, the leading edge doesn't sag a little bit at the
end.
On the first tip I did, I got everything cocked around so the skin followed
the fiberglass leading edge perfectly, but I ended up with the wingtip
pointing down just a bit from the rest of the wing. On the next wing, I
made sure the bottom edge was flat and accepted the 1/4" gap
between the skin and the fiberglass that resulted at the nose. Filled it in
with fiberglass filler from West Marine, which works real good for such
things.
As one of the other posters mentioned, a carefully applied heat gun works
great on the fiberglass tip to flex it a little where needed.
John Flavin
Overland Park, KS
CH701 kitbuild--all airfoils and control surfaces done and project in
storage while looking for a new shop.
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| Subject: | Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) |
On the Internet, the network breaks an e-mail message into parts of a
certain size in bytes <http://computer.howstuffworks.com/bytes.htm>. These
are the packets. Each packet carries the information that will help it get
to its destination -- the sender's IP address, the intended receiver's IP
address, something that tells the network how many packets this e-mail
message has been broken into and the number of this particular packet. The
packets carry the data in the protocols that the Internet uses: Transmission
Control Protocol/Internet Protocol (TCP/IP). Each packet contains part of
the body of your message. A typical packet contains perhaps 1,000 or 1,500
bytes.
Each packet is then sent off to its destination by the best available route
-- a route that might be taken by all the other packets in the message or by
none of the other packets in the message. This makes the network more
efficient. First, the network can balance the load across various pieces of
equipment on a millisecond-by-millisecond basis. Second, if there is a
problem with one piece of equipment in the network while a message is being
transferred, packets can be routed around the problem, ensuring the delivery
of the entire message.
do not archive
On 7/11/06, Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Huh?
> no archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Christopher Smith <ch601xl@gmail.com>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks
> delete now)
>
> OK....The TCP packet velocity challenged.
> do not archive
> On 7/11/06, Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, who you callin' slow?
> >
> >
> > Me no archive.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Christopher Smith <ch601xl@gmail.com>
> > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:53 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks
> > delete now)
> >
> > The picture you posted is small (95K). It's the 1 or 2 meg pictures that
> > are bad for the slow guys.
> >
> > On 7/11/06, N5SL < nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you Tom!
> > >
> > > That was very prophetic. I like pictures also - the
> > > bigger the better.
> > >
> > > I especially like your daily pic idea. So I'll start
> > > this off and attach my "daily pic" which is me looking
> > > like an idiot while I pose for a picture acting like
> > > I'm actually working on my canopy.
> > >
> > > Hopefully it's not too big to offend anyone. In the
> > > future I will just post a link, but I want to try this
> > > picture-posting thing out.
> > >
> > > Scott Laughlin
> > > Other pictures at:
> > > www.cooknwithgas.com
> > >
> > > --- Tom and Bren Henderson
> > > <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'd like to suggest that internet protocol is
> > > > evolving as quickly as the internet itself. The
> > > > Matronics lists are losing people as much for a LACK
> > > > of visual content (ie-Good Pics) as they would if
> > > > everyone posted a daily pic.
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Christopher W. E. Smith
> > fly1m1
> > http://ch-601xl.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Christopher W. E. Smith
> fly1m1
> http://ch-601xl.com
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ihab.awad@gmail.com
On 7/11/06, Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
> Huh?
> > OK....The TCP packet velocity challenged.
Terminal Cracker Portion packets. These are the inflight snacks
distributed by the airlines. The Internet protocol data is written on
the plastic wrappers and retrieved at the destination (the Terminal --
geddit?) to be sent to the receiving computers.
Data from dialup lines are transmitted using cheap, stale crackers,
which are often not eaten, impeding their progress. In fact, sometimes
the data has to be sent multiple times. Plus, dialup data is sent over
cheapy flights with long layovers and non-direct routes. On the other
hand, people who paid extra for DSL get their data printed on tasty
butter cookies which are nearly always grabbed by hungry passengers.
There is a lot of crafty computer science in the Terminal Cracker
Portion system to ensure that data is reassembled correctly at the
destination even if it gets fragmented or garbled en route. It's all
really pretty amazing.
Here is the Wikipedia article --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Control_Protocol
but remember that they got the name wrong. Totally wrong, man....
Ihab
DO NOT ARCHIVE under any circumstances
--
Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS |
A windmilling prop has more drag than one that is stopped. A Cessna 172
at about 1500 rpm is close to what a stopped prop would be. Taking your
approach speed and using the prop pitch to compute the no thrust rpm,
you can get a feel of your glide with a stopped prop. Pitch (inches) x
RPM x 60/ (12 x 5280) = MPH, assumes 100% prop efficiency but good for
this case.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Glide ratio for the 601HDS
My dead stick landing experience was in a Cherokee 180. The prop
stopped because of a broken crankshaft. This extended my glide so much
that I misjudged the approach and had to make an abbreviated pattern
before landing (on a paved runway). I've always read that a windmilling
prop created more drag than a stopped one. Some have even suggested to
try to stop a prop by stalling, to increase the glide. That sounds
kinda flakey to me, but to each his own.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
Thanks for the information, I think. You lost me at the in-flight snack
part. I thought TCP was some kind of horse tranquilizer that they put in pot
a few decades ago. At least that's what I heard. Anyway, I do know that I
have comcast for internet stuff and it's really fast.
no archive.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:19 PM
now)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ihab.awad@gmail.com
>
> On 7/11/06, Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Huh?
>> > OK....The TCP packet velocity challenged.
>
> Terminal Cracker Portion packets. These are the inflight snacks
> distributed by the airlines. The Internet protocol data is written on
> the plastic wrappers and retrieved at the destination (the Terminal --
> geddit?) to be sent to the receiving computers.
>
> Data from dialup lines are transmitted using cheap, stale crackers,
> which are often not eaten, impeding their progress. In fact, sometimes
> the data has to be sent multiple times. Plus, dialup data is sent over
> cheapy flights with long layovers and non-direct routes. On the other
> hand, people who paid extra for DSL get their data printed on tasty
> butter cookies which are nearly always grabbed by hungry passengers.
>
> There is a lot of crafty computer science in the Terminal Cracker
> Portion system to ensure that data is reassembled correctly at the
> destination even if it gets fragmented or garbled en route. It's all
> really pretty amazing.
>
> Here is the Wikipedia article --
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Control_Protocol
>
> but remember that they got the name wrong. Totally wrong, man....
>
> Ihab
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE under any circumstances
>
> --
> Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks delete now) |
OK, I guess the slow part could pertain to some that are technologically
challenged.
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks
delete now)
On the Internet, the network breaks an e-mail message into parts of a
certain size in bytes. These are the packets. Each packet carries the
information that will help it get to its destination -- the sender's IP
address, the intended receiver's IP address, something that tells the
network how many packets this e-mail message has been broken into and
the number of this particular packet. The packets carry the data in the
protocols that the Internet uses: Transmission Control Protocol/Internet
Protocol (TCP/IP). Each packet contains part of the body of your
message. A typical packet contains perhaps 1,000 or 1,500 bytes.
Each packet is then sent off to its destination by the best available
route -- a route that might be taken by all the other packets in the
message or by none of the other packets in the message. This makes the
network more efficient. First, the network can balance the load across
various pieces of equipment on a millisecond-by-millisecond basis.
Second, if there is a problem with one piece of equipment in the network
while a message is being transferred, packets can be routed around the
problem, ensuring the delivery of the entire message.
do not archive
On 7/11/06, Dave Ruddiman < pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
Huh?
no archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up folks
delete now)
OK....The TCP packet velocity challenged.
do not archive
On 7/11/06, Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
Hey, who you callin' slow?
Me no archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: (Daily Pic) Photo Attached (Dial-up
folks delete now)
The picture you posted is small (95K). It's the 1 or 2 meg
pictures that are bad for the slow guys.
On 7/11/06, N5SL < nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you Tom!
That was very prophetic. I like pictures also - the
bigger the better.
I especially like your daily pic idea. So I'll start
this off and attach my "daily pic" which is me looking
like an idiot while I pose for a picture acting like
I'm actually working on my canopy.
Hopefully it's not too big to offend anyone. In the
future I will just post a link, but I want to try this
picture-posting thing out.
Scott Laughlin
Other pictures at:
www.cooknwithgas.com
--- Tom and Bren Henderson
<admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
> I'd like to suggest that internet protocol is
> evolving as quickly as the internet itself. The
> Matronics lists are losing people as much for a LACK
> of visual content (ie-Good Pics) as they would if
> everyone posted a daily pic.
__________________________________________________
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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