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1. 03:18 AM - Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem (Rick R)
2. 05:59 AM - A couple of 601XL Questions (2thesky)
3. 05:59 AM - Just a reminder in list protocol (Craig Moore)
4. 06:34 AM - Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? (Chris In Madison)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
6. 07:49 AM - Re: Glide ratio for the 601HDS (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 08:20 AM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions (jim)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: Glide Ratio power off (Jim Frisby)
9. 08:42 AM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions (Dave Ruddiman)
10. 09:19 AM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions ()
11. 09:49 AM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: Glide Ratio power off (John Bolding)
13. 10:58 AM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions (LarryMcFarland)
14. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? (Gary Gower)
15. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? (Christopher Smith)
16. 01:24 PM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions + Daily Pic (N5SL)
17. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? (Jim Szutowicz)
18. 06:02 PM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions (Gary Boothe)
19. 06:20 PM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions (Jaybannist@cs.com)
20. 07:09 PM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions + Daily Pic (John Anderson)
21. 07:09 PM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions (Dave Ruddiman)
22. 08:01 PM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions (Randy Bryant)
23. 08:55 PM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions (Gary Boothe)
24. 10:01 PM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions (lgingell)
25. 11:32 PM - Re: A couple of 601XL Questions + Daily Pic (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Fiberglass Wing Tip Fitting Problem |
David,
John and I used the same approach. My wing tips actually fit pretty well. I
hit a major snag on the slat tips...same approach though....
Low and slow...
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jf701@sbcglobal.net wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
" Do any of the 701 builders have advise on getting the fiberglass wing
tip to fit? I'm having difficulty getting both the bottom and top aft
edges of the tip to fit flush with the wing..."
David:
Haven't seen the photo you mentioned, but just about everybody runs into
problems with these wingtips. I decided the main thing is to
make sure you have the tip rotated back far enough so the bottom of the
airfoil remains flat; i.e, the leading edge doesn't sag a little bit at the
end.
Rick
Sharpsburg, GA. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | A couple of 601XL Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "2thesky" <biggerspurs@hotmail.com>
I was just wondering what some of you guys running 912S and Jab3300 engines are
seeing for empty weights on completed XL's. Also, how does the 3300 compare
to the 912 for fuel consumption? And lastly, A guy told me that the XL was a
VERY tail heavy airplane and that a 912S and my "pleasantly plump" frame would
be a bad idea. I weigh in at 255, (down from 305) but I am planning to get below
215 and then order a kit as a reward to myself. Problem is that some of
my buddies are fat like I am now. The way I figure it for example's sake is that
if the factory claims of 600 pounds of useful are true, then two hefties at
500 lbs total still leaves 100lbs for fuel. OR does that create a dangerously
aft C.G. condition? Do I need to be considering a Warrior instead of a "real"airplane
that isn't a holdover from the 60's.? LOL (A little jab at the certified
dinosaurs!) Since getting a ride in a Kitfox and then an RV-6, I really
don't want a certified airplane. I am flying a 160 hp Warrior now, but the
handling, performance and economy pale in comparison to the homebuilts that I
have been around so far. I am thinking of going to the open hangar day to see
the cool looking little XL in person, but nothing is nailed down yet.
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Every takeoff is optional, but every landing is mandatory!
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Just a reminder in list protocol |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Moore <moorecomp@yahoo.com>
All,
I have noticed lately, that some are not using the
words "Do not archive" in posts that they do not want
to be archived. "No archive" does not work, you must
use the words "do not archive" somewhere in your post
in order for the automated function to work.
Best to all,
Craig Moore A&P
Mancelona, MI
701 builder wannabe
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
I received a note this morning from Dave Zilz, a young man whose 801 recently lost
an engine during flight. At his best estimate, the aircraft sunk at about
2.3:1, only traveling about 1.5 miles from 3500 feet.
My favorite quote from his message:
"My lesson learned is that the 801 wants to fly, but it also wants to land."
Another true believer in "look for a place to land beneath you, not in front of
you."
Best regards,
Chris
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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI
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| Subject: | Glide ratio for the 601HDS |
Not flakey at all...I had a friend who through a blade on his
Acroduster..Nearly shook the engine right off the airplane...Stalling to
stop it is a great idea if your above a thousand feet and not over the
middle of a big city.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Jaybannist@cs.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:46 PM
My dead stick landing experience was in a Cherokee 180. The prop
stopped because of a broken crankshaft. This extended my glide so much
that I misjudged the approach and had to make an abbreviated pattern
before landing (on a paved runway). I've always read that a windmilling
prop created more drag than a stopped one. Some have even suggested to
try to stop a prop by stalling, to increase the glide. That sounds
kinda flakey to me, but to each his own.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Glide ratio for the 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Klaus....Those wing root fairings look awesome...i slapped myself in the
forhead when I read your rationale and I can see why they worked so
well. I too have noticed the nose high attitude at high gross weight but
never made the connection with the angled fusealge.
And your right...On my new RV project the fuse sides are straight!
Goos job, thanks for sharing
Frank
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Klaus
Truemper
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:08 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Klaus Truemper <klaus@utdallas.edu>
Hi,
In the response to the glide ratio report for the 801 (it was about
7:1), someone also mentioned a quote
**
"The 601/701/801 has the glide ratio of a grand piano!"
**I do not know about the glide ratio of the 701 and 801, but for the
601HDS a decent ratio can be attained using wing root fairings. For my
601HDS such fairings have produced the following for a reasonable total
weight produced by pilot and passenger:
Power-off best glide @ 1,020 lbs: 65 KIAS with 650 ft/min sink rate.
This translates to
a glide ratio of 10:1. As a result, the plane comes in for landing much
like a Cessna.
For details, see
http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/airplane.html
Best wishes,
Klaus Truemper
--
Klaus Truemper
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
University of Texas at Dallas
Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
Computer Science EC31
P.O. Box 830688
Richardson, TX 75083-0688
(972) 883-2712
klaus@utdallas.edu
www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of 601XL Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
The useful load in a Czech factory-built Zenair 601XL SLSA with the Rotax 912S
100 hp engine is 591 lbs. 30 gallons of fuel capacity. With full fuel the usefil
load is 411 lbs. With 10 gallons of gas aboard, the useful load is 531 lbs.
I weigh 235 and have had a customer who weighs 225 and about 10 lbs baggage
in the rear compartment and 15 gallons of fuel, and there were no CG problems
I could discern. The W&B was fine.
By the way, this airplane is for sale...9 months old, loaded and only 350 hours
flight time. If interested please contact me off-list.
Thanks,
Jim
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
Sky Bryce Airport - Basye, VA
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
Jim@Pellien.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "2thesky" <biggerspurs@hotmail.com>
>
>I was just wondering what some of you guys running 912S and Jab3300 engines are
seeing for empty weights on completed XL's. Also, how does the 3300 compare
to the 912 for fuel consumption? And lastly, A guy told me that the XL was a
VERY tail heavy airplane and that a 912S and my "pleasantly plump" frame would
be a bad idea. I weigh in at 255, (down from 305) but I am planning to get
below 215 and then order a kit as a reward to myself. Problem is that some of
my buddies are fat like I am now. The way I figure it for example's sake is
that if the factory claims of 600 pounds of useful are true, then two hefties
at 500 lbs total still leaves 100lbs for fuel. OR does that create a dangerously
aft C.G. condition? Do I need to be considering a Warrior instead of a "real"airplane
that isn't a holdover from the 60's.? LOL (A little jab at the certified
dinosaurs!) Since getting a ride in a Kitfox and then an RV-6, I really
don't want a certified airplane. I am flying a 16
!
> 0 hp Warrior now, but the handling, performance and economy pale in comparison
to the homebuilts that I have been around so far. I am thinking of going to
the open hangar day to see the cool looking little XL in person, but nothing
is nailed down yet.
>
>do not archive
>
>--------
>Every takeoff is optional, but every landing is mandatory!
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46615#46615
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Glide Ratio power off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
Frank Hinde wrote:
>> One thing that I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is the
>>difference
>> in glide between power off and engine stopped.
>> I got pretty good at power off landings in my RV3 and could coast to
>>a
>> stop next to my hanger 3 out of 4 times but when the engine shelled
>>out
>> (yes, it's true Mable ,them Lycomings break too) about a half mile
>>from
>> the airport with plenty of altitude, I had to land on the road
>>dodging
>> powerlines and cars. There is a LARGE difference in glide ratio.
>> John
What was the prop pitch on your RV3. Did the prop stop during the glide or
continue windmilling? I had a PA20 piper with a 74-52 prop, I used to
take it out over a large river sandbar and practice engine out landings. It
glided measurably better with the prop stopped than it did with it
windmilling, or idling.
Jim Frisby
N801ZA
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of 601XL Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
Don't wait to get your weight down. Start building now and you will be down
by the time you/re done.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:53 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "2thesky" <biggerspurs@hotmail.com>
>
> I was just wondering what some of you guys running 912S and Jab3300
> engines are seeing for empty weights on completed XL's. Also, how does
> the 3300 compare to the 912 for fuel consumption? And lastly, A guy told
> me that the XL was a VERY tail heavy airplane and that a 912S and my
> "pleasantly plump" frame would be a bad idea. I weigh in at 255, (down
> from 305) but I am planning to get below 215 and then order a kit as a
> reward to myself. Problem is that some of my buddies are fat like I am
> now. The way I figure it for example's sake is that if the factory claims
> of 600 pounds of useful are true, then two hefties at 500 lbs total still
> leaves 100lbs for fuel. OR does that create a dangerously aft C.G.
> condition? Do I need to be considering a Warrior instead of a
> "real"airplane that isn't a holdover from the 60's.? LOL (A little jab at
> the certified dinosaurs!) Since getting a ride in a Kitfox and then an
> RV-6, I really don't want a certified airplane. I am flying a 16!
> 0 hp Warrior now, but the handling, performance and economy pale in
> comparison to the homebuilts that I have been around so far. I am
> thinking of going to the open hangar day to see the cool looking little XL
> in person, but nothing is nailed down yet.
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Every takeoff is optional, but every landing is mandatory!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46615#46615
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of 601XL Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Yep, particularly if you don't stop to eat while you build! It has been working
that way for me. The more you work on the airplane, the less time you spend staring
into the fridge as if it was a television!
If that doesn't work, don't allow yourself to fly until you hit your target weight.
Ed
---- Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
>
> Don't wait to get your weight down. Start building now and you will be down
> by the time you/re done.
>
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | A couple of 601XL Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yes but the time you have for exercise gets cut drasically...I found I
had to be enrolled in an exercise class that forces me to go and work
out twice a week...But I can tell you all I'm thinking about while in
the gym is slamming some more rivets....:)
Frank
HDS 400hours..Sold
RV7a final details and paint wings...And fly
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Yep, particularly if you don't stop to eat while you build! It has been
working that way for me. The more you work on the airplane, the less
time you spend staring into the fridge as if it was a television!
If that doesn't work, don't allow yourself to fly until you hit your
target weight.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Glide Ratio power off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Bolding" <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
"Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
> What was the prop pitch on your RV3. Did the prop stop during the glide
or
> continue windmilling? I had a PA20 piper with a 74-52 prop, I used to
> take it out over a large river sandbar and practice engine out landings.
It
> glided measurably better with the prop stopped than it did with it
> windmilling, or idling. Jim Frisby
Don't remember the pitch but cruised at 198 @2700.
Wood props and high compression don't windmill, would stop in a few
revolutions.
Could airstart at abiut 150 or so . John
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of 601XL Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hi guys,
Don't want to start a health clinic, but I've been running 2-miles every
other day before breakfast.
It slows the metabolism a bit and gives you the endurance for going
strong without building an appetite.
When I'm pairing off weight, I have to run every day, which does slow
you down after about 8 weeks.
Seems running first thing also keeps your focus sharp later in the day
which is important for a builder.
If you really need energy and want to loose weight, go on a fruit diet
where you only eat fruit for breakfast
and lunch and anything you want after 1:00 p.m. I went from 235 to 185
that way about 10 years ago.
That diet will give you excess energy all day and your weight loss will
be slow and steady.
Your mileage may vary,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - stripping and repriming, great fun!
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Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Yes but the time you have for exercise gets cut drasically...I found I
>had to be enrolled in an exercise class that forces me to go and work
>out twice a week...But I can tell you all I'm thinking about while in
>the gym is slamming some more rivets....:)
>
>Frank
>HDS 400hours..Sold
>RV7a final details and paint wings...And fly
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>Yep, particularly if you don't stop to eat while you build! It has been
>working that way for me. The more you work on the airplane, the less
>time you spend staring into the fridge as if it was a television!
>
>If that doesn't work, don't allow yourself to fly until you hit your
>target weight.
>
>Ed
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? |
Chris,
There are 5 very important things to do in any engine out landing (any airplane):
1.- Keep calm and choose your landing area as close as possible (practical, good
judgement, L/D to spare), you can side slip to loose altitude, nothing to
do (but wish for a huge thermal:-) to gain any altitude.
2.- Fly the airplane all the way down to touch down, even if you dont like the
landing place, No way to hold it up, just will spin or pancake down.
3. Practice, if possible in all your "normal" landings to glide it down in
idle to the numbers, the more you practice, the less "engine help" you will need
to land it short. With the prop stoped any plane will glide a little better
(this is a bonus).
4.- Practice. Make every flight a training for better flying.
Good reading: http://www.airbum.com/articles/Proficiency35HrsYr.html
5.- Practice. The better you aproach and land every day, the better you will
perform any emergency landing (if ever happens).
Good reading: http://www.airbum.com/articles/Article100Secrets.html
There was a dicussion (hangar talk) a few weeks ago, here at the Club. The
"messure" for pilots proficiency should be in how many landings he performs,
not hours flown...
By the way, I admire Mr Budd Davisson... Hope I had enough experience to take
his Pitts flying/landing training course... Sorry, I am hours (landings) away!
http://www.airbum.com/pitts.html
Hope this helps
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Hope reading and learning could make a good pilot, Practice is needed...
Chris In Madison <cowens@cnw.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison"
Hi David,
Thanks for the reply. "Brick" is pretty much what I figured. But you're right about
the possible landing spots for that one, though. Seems like just about anywhere
will do. I took my first flight in one with a local EAA flyer last week,
and it looks like it does all kinds of interesting things.
Much appreciated :-)
Best regards,
Chris
--------
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Waunakee, WI
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46001#46001
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? |
Well said Gary.
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On 7/12/06, Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> There are 5 very important things to do in any engine out landing (any
> airplane):
>
> 1.- Keep calm and choose your landing area as close as possible
> (practical, good judgement, L/D to spare), you can side slip to loose
> altitude, nothing to do (but wish for a huge thermal:-) to gain any
> altitude.
>
> 2.- Fly the airplane all the way down to touch down, even if you dont like
> the landing place, No way to hold it up, just will spin or pancake down.
>
> 3. Practice, if possible in all your "normal" landings to glide it down
> in idle to the numbers, the more you practice, the less "engine help" you
> will need to land it short. With the prop stoped any plane will glide a
> little better (this is a bonus).
> 4.- Practice. Make every flight a training for better flying.
> Good reading: http://www.airbum.com/articles/Proficiency35HrsYr.html
>
> 5.- Practice. The better you aproach and land every day, the better you
> will perform any emergency landing (if ever happens).
> Good reading: http://www.airbum.com/articles/Article100Secrets.html
>
> There was a dicussion (hangar talk) a few weeks ago, here at the Club.
> The "messure" for pilots proficiency should be in how many landings he
> performs, not hours flown...
>
> By the way, I admire Mr Budd Davisson... Hope I had enough experience to
> take his Pitts flying/landing training course... Sorry, I am hours
> (landings) away!
> http://www.airbum.com/pitts.html
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
> Hope reading and learning could make a good pilot, Practice is needed...
>
> *Chris In Madison <cowens@cnw.com>* wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison"
>
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for the reply. "Brick" is pretty much what I figured. But you're
> right about the possible landing spots for that one, though. Seems like just
> about anywhere will do. I took my first flight in one with a local EAA flyer
> last week, and it looks like it does all kinds of interesting things.
>
> Much appreciated :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
>
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of 601XL Questions + Daily Pic |
Larry I do the same thing - run at 6:00AM before doing
anything else. Just for 15 to 20 minutes. I lost 20
lbs doing that two years ago and I've kept it off.
Good advice.
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
DO NOT ARCHIVE
P.S. I'm attaching my Daily Pic. To everyone else -
where's yours?
--- LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland
> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Hi guys,
> Don't want to start a health clinic, but I've been
> running 2-miles every
> other day before breakfast.
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 Glide Ratio? |
Spoke with a good friend about this topict in Ill. He took me up in his plane
and showed this engine out landings and practices it often. What he said that
was interesting "if you should have to land in farm fields stay away from Soybean
Fields, as they can tangle in the landing gear and flip the plane over."
He recommends landing in corn fields, most times the plane will get beat up but
not flip.
Jim
Christopher Smith <ch601xl@gmail.com> wrote:
Well said Gary.
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On 7/12/06, Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> wrote: Chris,
There are 5 very important things to do in any engine out landing (any airplane):
1.- Keep calm and choose your landing area as close as possible (practical, good
judgement, L/D to spare), you can side slip to loose altitude, nothing to
do (but wish for a huge thermal:-) to gain any altitude.
2.- Fly the airplane all the way down to touch down, even if you dont like the
landing place, No way to hold it up, just will spin or pancake down.
3. Practice, if possible in all your "normal" landings to glide it down in
idle to the numbers, the more you practice, the less "engine help" you will need
to land it short. With the prop stoped any plane will glide a little better
(this is a bonus).
4.- Practice. Make every flight a training for better flying.
Good reading: http://www.airbum.com/articles/Proficiency35HrsYr.html
5.- Practice. The better you aproach and land every day, the better you will
perform any emergency landing (if ever happens).
Good reading: http://www.airbum.com/articles/Article100Secrets.html
There was a dicussion (hangar talk) a few weeks ago, here at the Club. The
"messure" for pilots proficiency should be in how many landings he performs,
not hours flown...
By the way, I admire Mr Budd Davisson... Hope I had enough experience to take
his Pitts flying/landing training course... Sorry, I am hours (landings) away!
http://www.airbum.com/pitts.html
Hope this helps
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Hope reading and learning could make a good pilot, Practice is needed...
Chris In Madison <cowens@cnw.com> wrote:
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Hi David,
Thanks for the reply. "Brick" is pretty much what I figured. But you're right about
the possible landing spots for that one, though. Seems like just about anywhere
will do. I took my first flight in one with a local EAA flyer last week,
and it looks like it does all kinds of interesting things.
Much appreciated :-)
Best regards,
Chris
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Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
http://ch-601xl.com
Please Visit http://www.eatonindiana.net
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
I find 15 cups of coffee and a handful of donuts keeps me going just fine.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
DEFINITELY DO NOT ARCHIVE
...I've been running 2-miles every
other day before breakfast...
It ... gives you the endurance for going
strong without building an appetite....
Your mileage may vary,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - stripping and repriming, great fun!
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Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
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<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Yes but the time you have for exercise gets cut drasically...I found I
>had to be enrolled in an exercise class that forces me to go and work
>out twice a week...But I can tell you all I'm thinking about while in
>the gym is slamming some more rivets....:)
>
>Frank
>HDS 400hours..Sold
>RV7a final details and paint wings...And fly
>
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>
>Yep, particularly if you don't stop to eat while you build! It has been
>working that way for me. The more you work on the airplane, the less
>time you spend staring into the fridge as if it was a television!
>
>If that doesn't work, don't allow yourself to fly until you hit your
>target weight.
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>Ed
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Now, there's a man after my own heart!
Not sure who said it, but it is told that everyone, at birth, is given a
finite number of heartbeats. You guys out there running and such nonsense are
just "wasting heartbeats"! (I do walk; and get in my squats and bend-overs on
the XL)
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of 601XL Questions + Daily Pic |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <ande437@bellsouth.net>
Hi Scott,
We are at exactly the same place with the canopy. One of us has the
outside front cover of the square tubing on upside down. I am the guy who
lost his canopy the other day. I can't believe how ornery replacing the
canopy is.
CUL,
John
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Or, as my 57 year old brother that is really good condition would say,
"I'll be the best looking corpse at the funeral parlor.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A couple of 601XL Questions
Now, there's a man after my own heart!
Not sure who said it, but it is told that everyone, at birth, is given
a finite number of heartbeats. You guys out there running and such
nonsense are just "wasting heartbeats"! (I do walk; and get in my
squats and bend-overs on the XL)
Jay in Dallas
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If any of you guys sees me out there running up and down the road...STOP
and help me! 1 of 2 bad things have happened: Either I'm out of gas,
or if you look just behind me, something really big and mean will be
chasing me!
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A couple of 601XL Questions
Now, there's a man after my own heart!
Not sure who said it, but it is told that everyone, at birth, is
given a finite number of heartbeats. You guys out there running and
such nonsense are just "wasting heartbeats"! (I do walk; and get in my
squats and bend-overs on the XL)
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | A couple of 601XL Questions |
Figured I'd start running when I saw a runner smiling.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
Donut archive, I mean Do Not Archive
If any of you guys sees me out there running up and down the road...STOP and
help me! 1 of 2 bad things have happened: Either I'm out of gas, or if you
look just behind me, something really big and mean will be chasing me!
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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Now, there's a man after my own heart!
Not sure who said it, but it is told that everyone, at birth, is given a
finite number of heartbeats. You guys out there running and such nonsense
are just "wasting heartbeats"! (I do walk; and get in my squats and
bend-overs on the XL)
Jay in Dallas
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
My XL/Jab3300 was about 712lbs. With full fuel, and me, I'm right at the forward
CG.
I'm 120lbs. I drink beer and eat as much as possible, but can't put on weight.
Please take pity on my and my C.G. problems ;-)
I've since painted and added some wheel paints. I'll weigh-in again soon.
Cheers,
..lance, Mr nose-heavy-light-bloke.
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Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46824#46824
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of 601XL Questions + Daily Pic |
I saw the cover as being upside down also unless he is scratch building and
if that's the case he more than likely made the top oversized for fit.... If
not it is upside down LOL.
Jeff
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