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1. 04:18 AM - Re: A backup pneumatic riveter at a reasonable price (Edward Moody II)
2. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Build Time (Edward Moody II)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time (Cliff Martin)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time (Craig Moore)
5. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time (Robert L. Stone)
6. 09:35 AM - Re: A backup pneumatic riveter at a reasonable price (Gary Gower)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: test "do knot archive" in PROFILE Question (Matt Dralle)
8. 09:47 AM - Re: A backup pneumatic riveter at a reasonable price (Robert L. Stone)
9. 09:50 AM - Pneumatic Riveter Maintenence (Terry Turnquist)
10. 10:20 AM - Re: Glide Ratio power off-an experiment (Chuck Deiterich)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: 601 Hat with tail number (ron dewees)
12. 10:48 AM - Re: GPS (Milburn Reed)
13. 11:06 AM - Do Not Archive.....etc..... (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
14. 12:00 PM - Re: Do Not Archive.....etc..... (Tom and Bren Henderson)
15. 12:35 PM - Re: Rear Channel Splice (David Barth)
16. 01:16 PM - Re: Rear Channel Splice (Randy Bryant)
17. 01:50 PM - 601XL CAD drawings (lwinger)
18. 01:51 PM - Re: Rear Channel Splice (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
19. 01:57 PM - painting (john butterfield)
20. 02:03 PM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
21. 02:42 PM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Russell J.)
22. 02:52 PM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Randy Bryant)
23. 03:06 PM - Designer approval (Paul Mulwitz)
24. 03:22 PM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Russell J.)
25. 03:26 PM - VMS 10-11 Primer? (John Marzulli)
26. 03:40 PM - Batteries and dynon update (RURUNY@aol.com)
27. 04:27 PM - Re: Designer approval (Randy Bryant)
28. 04:27 PM - Re: painting (LarryMcFarland)
29. 04:33 PM - Re: painting (george may)
30. 05:13 PM - Re: Designer approval (Zodie Rocket)
31. 05:16 PM - Re: Batteries and dynon update (Keith Ashcraft)
32. 05:47 PM - Re: Designer approval (Randy Bryant)
33. 05:47 PM - Re: Designer approval (Randy Bryant)
34. 06:03 PM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Tom and Bren Henderson)
35. 06:03 PM - Re: test "do knot archive" in PROFILE Question (Gary Gower)
36. 06:41 PM - Re: GPS (Gary Gower)
37. 06:55 PM - Re: GPS (Larry)
38. 07:15 PM - Re: Batteries and dynon update (RURUNY@AOL.COM)
39. 07:41 PM - Re: GPS (Dusty)
40. 08:41 PM - Re: Designer approval (Paul Mulwitz)
41. 08:50 PM - Re: Batteries and dynon update (Paul Mulwitz)
42. 08:54 PM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Larry Winger)
43. 09:46 PM - Re: Batteries and dynon update (NYTerminat@aol.com)
44. 10:47 PM - Re: VMS 10-11 Primer? (xl)
45. 11:21 PM - Sensenich wood prop (Randy Stout)
46. 11:28 PM - Re: 601XL Build Time (Phyrcooler)
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| Subject: | Re: A backup pneumatic riveter at a reasonable price |
Looks just like mine. I recently posted that I got the factory to
concave two nosepieces for it ($8 each plus just under $5 shipping).
That rivetter doesn't kick when it pulls the rivet stem out. That avoids
the jumping and marking of skins which the one in the factory supplied
tool kit does. I built my previous plane (an ultralight) with the HF
puller and it's still working well for me.
Ed Moody II
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To those of you who would like to have a backup pneumatic
riveter, check the attachment out from a page out of the Harbor Freight
catalog.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Build Time |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
First, a warning..... none of this is technical info so if it bores you or
annoys you, hit delete now.
Since I try to answer when think I can help it would be a good idea to state
my qualifications and lack of same. I've been a pilot for 24 years now but
still very low time.... 300 hours total. The first 100 in GA, mostly Cessna,
and the last 200 in an Excalibur ultralight.
I built the Excalibur side by side with a friend building his Excalibur in
the same workshop (helping each other and learning as we went along). Both
of us were first time builders. My friend decided last year to build an
RV7-A and I agreed to be his helper. The learning curve was steep at first
but another friend who had built an RV7-A offered help, loaned tools etc.
That was a great help to us both.
Last year I decided that as "WOW" as the RV performance is, I didn't need
all that. The 601XL does what I want and does it on about 5 gph premium auto
fuel with a Jabiru 3300 according to some listers who are already flying
that combo. I attended a rudder workshop in December '05 and flew the demo.
I was pleased with the entire experience and placed the order for the entire
kit which arrived 15MAR06. The rest you already know.
Background..... My education is heavy on the math and science end. I've been
a general dentist for almost 30 years now. As a kid (back in the dinosaur
days) I followed my dad to work at his truckline whenever I could. I'm not
half the mechanic he is but I get by. My dad (age 78) is my building partner
for this plane. My woodworking and other "fix-it" experience probably helps
some but most of what I know about building airplanes I learned from local
friends, from research, and from the folks on this and other lists.
All my opinions are just that. None of them have been lab tested but most
are backed by some experience and have been tested in real life which is
almost as good (albeit obviously subjective).
Ed
Do Not Archive
PS: I also play guitar and bagpipes if that helps.
>
> I am curious however, if Ed Moody could summarize his previous builder
> experience, if any. He seems to be on track if he can build both wings
> and tail in 250 hours...
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| Subject: | Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time |
"Sorry dial up guys, but we need content to keep this list interesting,
informative, and time worthy."
Robert,
I agree with the value of the pics,but when you take 5-10 minutes to
download a pic it can be very frustrating.
I would suggest that the members go to www.irfanview.com and download a
free software that makes downsizing pics very easy, even for the novice
computer user. Reducing the pic to 640 x 480 pixels will greatly speed
up transmission and reception for all users.
We have used this program on another web list I belong to and it has
helped. If there is any interest, I can send a "user friendly"
instruction sheet on how to quickly downsize a pic.
Cliff
601 HDS .0001% and holding
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| Subject: | Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Moore <moorecomp@yahoo.com>
Cliff,
And not to mention the rules for use of the Matronics
list. I have included the relevant section below.
"Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure
to abide by these rules could result in the removal of
a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make
sure that the files you are enclosing aren't HUGE
greater that 1MB). Remember that there are still
people checking they're email via dial up modem. If
you post 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an
unnecessary burden on these folks and the rest of us,
for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see
huge 3000 x 2000 pictures getting posted that are 3 or
4MB each. This is just unacceptable. Use a program
such as Photoshop to scale the picture down to
something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep
the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available
for free that allows you to Right-Click on a picture
in Explorer and automatically scale it down and resave
it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
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Best Regards,
Craig Moore A&P
701 builder wannabe
--- Cliff Martin <southriverent@rockbridge.net> wrote:
> "Sorry dial up guys, but we need content to keep
> this list interesting, informative, and time
> worthy."
>
> Robert,
>
> I agree with the value of the pics,but when you take
> 5-10 minutes to download a pic it can be very
> frustrating.
>
> I would suggest that the members go to
> www.irfanview.com and download a free software that
> makes downsizing pics very easy, even for the novice
> computer user. Reducing the pic to 640 x 480 pixels
> will greatly speed up transmission and reception for
> all users.
>
> We have used this program on another web list I
> belong to and it has helped. If there is any
> interest, I can send a "user friendly" instruction
> sheet on how to quickly downsize a pic.
>
> Cliff
> 601 HDS .0001% and holding
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| Subject: | Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time |
Tom & Bren Henderson,
Thanks for the support. As I have said before if anyone can
instruct me as to how to reduce a picture, I will do so. I can well
understand how those people with a telephone modum wait a long time for
a large picture to download. This is the main reason I got Road Runner
for a server. Everything comes on screen lighting fast.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom and Bren Henderson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time
You did nothing wrong Robert. Keep the pics coming. I can
understand the reasoning behind not sending large files, but yours
wasn't even 36K (and it was actually from an earlier post). You know
the saying, "A picture is worth a thousand words." In the Zenith list,
a picture can answer just as many questions. Sorry dial up guys, but we
need content to keep this list interesting, informative, and time
worthy.
"Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone"
I went to the web site and saw nothing about attachments.
Visit this URL to register: http://forums.matronics.com//index.php
The attachments were not mine, they were sent with the original
message that I was responding to and allowed on the Matronics Email
Lists
forum. Please explaine in detail, what I did wrong.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:10 PM
> The following message from "Robert L. Stone" was not
> authorized for entry in the Matronics Email Lists forum.
>
> Reason: There were problems with the attachments [Attachment must
have a
> filename to be saved to a forum.]
>
>
> Visit this URL to register: http://forums.matronics.com//index.php
>
> From: "Robert L. Stone"
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time
> ****************************************
>
> Those parts look beautiful. What is a CNC machine? If ZAC does not
> use a machine of some kind like this CNC machine, what do they
use?
>
> Bob Stone, Harker Heights,
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| Subject: | Re: A backup pneumatic riveter at a reasonable price |
Just for all to know:
There are several programs that convert the newer cameras high resolition pictures
to smaller internet friendly.
The one I use is PicSizer and is free.
http://www.axiomx.com/picsizer.htm
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Dave Austin <daveaustin2@can.rogers.com> wrote: Robert Stone,
Please don't send pictures of over one meg. Cut them down to 50 to 60 K. We
dial up folks have to wait ten minutes or more.
Thanks.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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| Subject: | Re: test "do knot archive" in PROFILE Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Hi Gary,
Well the answer is yes-and-no. If something gets posted and ultimately added to
the archive that is particularly heinous, then I can go in a edit the archives
as necessary. But this is a labor intensive process, and generally not something
I do too often.
Matt Dralle
List Admin.
At 11:48 PM 7/19/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Hello Matt
>
>I have a question since some years ago...
>
>Can you delete (or clean) the archives from some mails that beeing "not related"
were released accidentally without the Do not archive note in it?
>
>Just curious... Thanks one more time for this great lists
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower
>Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
>Do not archive
>
>
>Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>At 04:47 AM 7/19/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap"
>>
>>I set my signature in my PROFILE to ".....Geoff.......do knot archive"
>>Lets see if it follows this text. Just in case though DO KNOT ARCHIVE
>>Read this topic online here:
>
>
>Geoff and others,
>
>Please _do not_ do this!
>
>This permanently kills valuable threads of discussion unnecessarily. If someone
responds to your message with some information that should have been in the
archive, then it doesn't make it.
>
>I can't stress enough, _do not_ put the "do knot archive" string in your signature
file.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: A backup pneumatic riveter at a reasonable price |
I answered an e-mail that pictures attached to it. I have sent no
pictures. Also I have asked if anyone knows how to reduce the sized of
pictures just in case I do want to send any and have received no
response from anyone. Tell me how to reduce the size of pictures and I
will reduce any that I send out.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Austin
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A backup pneumatic riveter at a reasonable
price
Robert Stone,
Please don't send pictures of over one meg. Cut them down to 50 to 60
K. We dial up folks have to wait ten minutes or more.
Thanks.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Pneumatic Riveter Maintenence |
List,
Some suggestions for those who aren't happy with the performance of their "cheap"
rivet guns.
1. Open canister, empty old oil, clean with a lint free cloth and refill with
air tool oil. Be sure and lube piston O-Ring and canister wall with grease before
assembling.
2. Remove entire chrome riveter head and Measure distance from threads to end
of rivet head assembly. the distance should be manufacturers specs or 71 mm.
Adjust by loosening lock nut and turning head. Re-tighten.
3. If you don't have an in-line oil er, periodically squirt a shot of air oil
into gun air inlet.
Hope this helps.
Terry Turnquist
601 XL Plans
St. Peters, MO
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Groups.
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| Subject: | RE: Glide Ratio power off-an experiment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
I decided to experiment with a small propeller and a fan.
With the fan blowing straight up I put a freewheeling prop on a stiff wire
held vertically, with the prop spinning it rose up the wire.
I stopped the prop from spinning with a thread taped to the end of one
blade and placed it over the fan. It did not rise as high as when spinning.
This tells me the of the non-spinning prop takes more wind speed (closer to
the fan) to support the prop's weight due to less drag. The spinning prop
was supported with less wind (farther from the fan) due to the higher drag.
Remember:
the force of drag = 1/2 *Cd* air density * Vsrqd * area. Since the force is
equal to the propeller weight in both cases but the velocity of the air is
less for the spinning prop either the Cd went up or the area increased which
means the total drag is higher to be supported by the slower wind.
Also in my 701 at idle and 50 mph, my descent rate was about 715 fpm for a
glide ratio of about 6 to 1. Which means at an altitude of 1000 feet you
have about a mile and a little over a minute to figure out what to do.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Hat with tail number |
Hi Gary and other hat guys-
I have exchanged sevearl emails with Dorothy and she is indeed a nice
person. I noticed that the picture is actually an XL or a HD/HDS
converted to spring gear and asked if she could make the plane have the
gear legs go vertical from the tires rather than diagonal. She is
working on it with her digitizer but isn't sure if it can be done. She
sure has a good attitude. I'm getting two hats. I'm sure nobody but
another HD/HDS guy would possibly notice the gear legs but it's good to
have such a cooperative hat manufacturer.
Ron N601TD
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Gary Boothe wrote:
> All you guys that want hats, just go to www.johnsplane.com
> <http://www.johnsplane.com/>. I e-mailed Dorothy there and she
> immediately modified the 601 to a taildragger and made the hat the
> next day.
>
> I'll bet she would be able to come up with a 701 if you all show her
> what the demand might be.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
>
> Tail done, working on wings....
>
>
>
> Me too!
>
> Paul Tipton
>
> CH701
>
> 321PT
>
> Do not archive.
>
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Thank you p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net------ good advise to us po fok
building a ch 701----- I can use that low cost unit (have seen on sale
for 299 and a Garmin already),until I sell a 160 acre parcel, then will
probably need something else (bigger tractor?)
Milburn Reed
http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/
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| Subject: | Do Not Archive.....etc..... |
Something else that would help greatly......learn to cut and paste!!!!!
When you reply to an e-mail, PLEASE don't resend the entire message (plus
pictures now)......plus everyone else's reply.......and THEN add your reply to
the end of THAT!!! I see messages here that are pages long....with a 10 word
reply on the end!
I would suggest that you cut and paste the relevant portion of the
letter....enough so that we can tell what the subject is.....and add your response.
Dave Harms
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| Subject: | Re: Do Not Archive.....etc..... |
I would like to suggest that countless complaints regarding how someone has
posted something, or image size, or not cutting and pasting are much more of
a nuisance than the original posts! I don't care if someone has included the
five previous posts in a message thread. Sometimes they're useful in determining
context. I do care that I have to read through all the complaints (generally
from the same 4 people) to get to the meat and potatoes of this list. (Ok,
ok, I know THIS post is exactly what I'm bitching about. One time only, promise...
) : )
Let the flaming begin... (preferably to my off-list email!)
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VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote: Something else that would help greatly......learn to
cut and paste!!!!!
When you reply to an e-mail, PLEASE don't resend the entire message (plus pictures
now)......plus everyone else's reply.......and THEN add your reply to the
end of THAT!!! I see messages here that are pages long....with a 10 word reply
on the end!
I would suggest that you cut and paste the relevant portion of the letter....enough
so that we can tell what the subject is.....and add your response.
Dave Harms
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Channel Splice |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi Scratchbuilders.
Yes those hand-drawn and signed drawings are the work
of Chris Heintz. While it is OK to use the cleaner
ones presented here, I would still print off the hand
drawn one to include in your builders log. It shows
that your deviation from the plans has the approval of
the designer. As an inspector I would want to see
that document with the designers approval.
Just my preference.
David
--- Randy Bryant <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com> wrote:
I just
> copied/took from the original drawing I assume to be
> by Chris Heinz... These were the dimensions on the
> drawings, and I left them at that... Attached is
> the original pencil sketch...
>
> Do Not Archive
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Channel Splice |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Hummm.. I had no idea with kit built planes that you had to have the
designer's approval... When I asked a while back about bolt torque specs, I
was told that I was the manufacturer and could build/torque them anyway I
wanted...
So, I'm assuming any deviation in plans should have to have the original
designer's approval??
Just curious....
Thanks,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:32 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Scratchbuilders.
> Yes those hand-drawn and signed drawings are the work
> of Chris Heintz. While it is OK to use the cleaner
> ones presented here, I would still print off the hand
> drawn one to include in your builders log. It shows
> that your deviation from the plans has the approval of
> the designer. As an inspector I would want to see
> that document with the designers approval.
> Just my preference.
> David
>
> --- Randy Bryant <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com> wrote:
>
> I just
>> copied/took from the original drawing I assume to be
>> by Chris Heinz... These were the dimensions on the
>> drawings, and I left them at that... Attached is
>> the original pencil sketch...
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>
>
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
> Working on Wings
> www.ch601.org
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601XL CAD drawings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" <larrywinger@gmail.com>
Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who would be willing
to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts?
This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks.
Thanks.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL plan set 6493 in hand
Workshop nearly complete
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48862#48862
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Channel Splice |
Randy, what you're saying does appear to be inconsistent. I think most of us
have taken changes from the plans back to ZAC, not so much for approval from
the designer, but more to determine if what we plan to change or add will
create a problem we had not considered. I probably talked with Nick, Roger and
Sebastian a dozen times while building. Mostly instead of blessing I was seeking
an argument against what I planed. There may be some FAR or rule that requires
approval to deviate from plans to qualify for LSA status, I just don't know.
I think being prudent is akin to being safe. Also, if your DAR is a butt, can
him and get another. Just like with attorneys, relators or insurance agents.
Best regards, B of G
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list:
i am starting to get my paint and materials ready. i
have available a auto sized paint booth.
I have researched the archives pretty well, but there
is to much info and choices.
What i would like to have is something that i can
prepare, prime, and final coat. i plan to paint it
completely white and use tape/stripes for the trim.
What paint(brands) should i use. i am not an expert,
but can probebly get it done. i want simple
i assume i will have to prime, and then put on two
coats of paint. is this correct. i essentially want
to follow the directions on the paint can.
also, if anyone has used the tape type trim material,
it would help to have so sites to visit.
thank in advance
john butterfield
601XL, corvair
N745JB reserved
Torrance, CA
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL CAD drawings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ihab.awad@gmail.com
On 7/20/06, lwinger <larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote:
> Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who
> would be willing to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts?
> This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks.
If this is a common problem, then why doesn't ZAC sponsor a bunch of
builders to work on a CAD solid model of the XL design from which all
sorts of drawings can be produced at will? They could spring for some
licenses of Catia and have some CAD-savvy builders collaborate to
contribute the model in return for the ability to build for free plus
some free manufactured parts or whatever.
In any case, this is not effort that should be duplicated....
Just my 2 cents' worth.
Ihab
--
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL CAD drawings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J." <entecrj@sbcglobal.net>
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:48 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" <larrywinger@gmail.com>
>
> Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who would
> be willing to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts?
>
> This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Larry Winger
> Tustin, CA
> 601XL plan set 6493 in hand
> Workshop nearly complete
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I did all of the first generation 601-HD & HDS Cad drawings and a majority
of the first generation 601-XL drawings and I believe all of the drawings
have a copyright note on them.
Russell Johnson
Engineering Technologies
100 Military Plaza, Suite 106
Dodge City, Kansas 67801
620-227-2097
Fax 620-227-5290
e-mail entecrj@sbcglobal.net
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL CAD drawings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
This is not actually a "common" problem... Only for scratch builders...
What Larry is needing CAD drawings of, are the forming block blanks for the
rear wing ribs, nose ribs, bulkheads, firewall...etc. Kit builders
shouldn't have a need for these type of drawings, and scratch builders are
'rare' compared to kit builders. The plans only give "plotting points" and
you have to draw patterns to cut your forming blocks by... In my personal
experience, I've tended to spend more time plotting the forming blocks than
making the parts themselves...
Randy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:01 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ihab.awad@gmail.com
>
> On 7/20/06, lwinger <larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who
>> would be willing to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts?
>> This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks.
>
> If this is a common problem, then why doesn't ZAC sponsor a bunch of
> builders to work on a CAD solid model of the XL design from which all
> sorts of drawings can be produced at will? They could spring for some
> licenses of Catia and have some CAD-savvy builders collaborate to
> contribute the model in return for the ability to build for free plus
> some free manufactured parts or whatever.
>
> In any case, this is not effort that should be duplicated....
>
> Just my 2 cents' worth.
>
> Ihab
>
> --
> Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Designer approval |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Randy,
I think the truth is somewhere between the two extremes of requiring
designer approval and not requiring it. I believe kit builders are
indeed the manufacturers of their planes and have final say on all
things. On the other hand, when building a kit plane or scratch
building to some other designer's prints it makes sense to ask the
designer if changes you are making will keep the overall result
within the designed limits. This may not be necessary for little
changes like the ordinary procedures for fixing small errors, but
when it comes to major structural changes like splicing a spar then
it makes a lot of sense to get designer review of the change.
In the end it is the builder who will live or die with the results of
changes. I guess that means it is optional to seek approval, but
prudent in some cases.
Best regards,
Paul
XL fuselage
>Hummm.. I had no idea with kit built planes that you had to have the
>designer's approval... When I asked a while back about bolt torque
>specs, I was told that I was the manufacturer and could build/torque
>them anyway I wanted...
>So, I'm assuming any deviation in plans should have to have the
>original designer's approval??
>
>Just curious....
-
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J." <entecrj@sbcglobal.net>
sharing cad drawings of forming blocks would not infringe on the copyrights
Russell Johnson
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| Subject: | VMS 10-11 Primer? |
I happened by someone servicing a float today ( big Edo type for an Otter or
Caravan ) up at Kenmore Air and ask what primer he was using.
He told me it was called VMS 10-11 and that it was stronger than Zinc
Chromate. A quick Google search revealed nothing useful.
Does anyone here know anything about it or know a source for it?
Thanks
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Batteries and dynon update |
Anyone have a dynon product, I have a D10A in my 701.For those interested.
There is a new firmware update just out July 10th that enables the AOA tone to
headset and has a full screen DG that keeps all the numbers right side
up.Many other improvements also.
I just powered up the completed Aerolectric Connection designed electrical
system and its
looking good!! I'm using a power supply on the battery terminals. Looking
at batteries at
B&C and wondering about Amp hours. Whats reasonable for VFR only. Id like to
keep the weight and size of the battery on the low end. Maybe a local night
flight not very often, mostly daytime. Any battery install pics in the back
seat of a 701 helpful.
I have a rotax 912 with the 20 Amp alternator.
I've attached a pic of panel, hopefully seen at
_http://www.matronics.com/forums_ (http://www.matronics.com/forums)
Lettering has been done with rub on letters and numbers from tower hobbies.
Base paint is grey rustoleum glossy, letters applied and then applied a
rustoleum flat clear coat. Used blue painters tape to line up letters and numbers
to keep straight. It took alot of time but looks like a military style panel.
This is posted to Aeroelectric List and Zenith list.
Brian
Zenith CH-701
Long Island, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Designer approval |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Hi Paul,
Let me back up here a bit... I think some people on the list took my
remarks as a challenge..etc. I was in a round about way asking a question
about FAR approval, since I've not crossed that bridge yet and hope to in
the future...not so distant I hope. I just wasn't aware that for a
deviation from plans, that your plane, might get "turned down" on inspection
just for "not being by the plans", regardless of whether or not the change
was aircraft worthy or not.
I have been under the impression that if you referred to the FAA
publication, Acceptable Methods Techniques, and Practices: AIRCRAFT
INSPECTION AND REPAIR AC 43.13-1B, that you should be able to "design"
design your own changes, modifications, additions, subtractions..etc.,
without disapproval from the FAR... That was the point/question I was
trying to arise...
Thanks and peace everyone,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:04 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>
> Hi Randy,
>
> I think the truth is somewhere between the two extremes of requiring
> designer approval and not requiring it. I believe kit builders are indeed
> the manufacturers of their planes and have final say on all things. On
> the other hand, when building a kit plane or scratch building to some
> other designer's prints it makes sense to ask the designer if changes you
> are making will keep the overall result within the designed limits. This
> may not be necessary for little changes like the ordinary procedures for
> fixing small errors, but when it comes to major structural changes like
> splicing a spar then it makes a lot of sense to get designer review of the
> change.
>
> In the end it is the builder who will live or die with the results of
> changes. I guess that means it is optional to seek approval, but prudent
> in some cases.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>>Hummm.. I had no idea with kit built planes that you had to have the
>>designer's approval... When I asked a while back about bolt torque specs,
>>I was told that I was the manufacturer and could build/torque them anyway
>>I wanted...
>>So, I'm assuming any deviation in plans should have to have the original
>>designer's approval??
>>
>>Just curious....
>
> -
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
John,
You can go with any kind of paint, but simple is not a way to describe it.
In any case you need to decide which type of paint you want to use.
Lacquer,
acrylic, or urethane. There are three larger makers of paint to choose from
and you should choose one of the big three. I'm using AFS waterborne
urethane 2-part with a 1-part primer. It's safer than most because you
don't
have to worry about isocyanate and pump type breathing gear. There aren't
any fumes to tick off the wife either as it's pretty much odorless. You
only use
MEK or water to clean up the spray gun. If you're interested in this type
you can visit my website paint page and consider it or email me off line
with
specific questions. There's a lot of common ground in painting and as much
information. Also try 601.org for a well done piece on painting.
I'm in process now having painted a few cars years ago and it's still a
learning
thing.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
>hi list:
>
>i am starting to get my paint and materials ready. i
>have available a auto sized paint booth.
>
>I have researched the archives pretty well, but there
>is to much info and choices.
>
>What i would like to have is something that i can
>prepare, prime, and final coat. i plan to paint it
>completely white and use tape/stripes for the trim.
>
>What paint(brands) should i use. i am not an expert,
>but can probebly get it done. i want simple
>
>i assume i will have to prime, and then put on two
>coats of paint. is this correct. i essentially want
>to follow the directions on the paint can.
>
>also, if anyone has used the tape type trim material,
>it would help to have so sites to visit.
>
>thank in advance
>
>john butterfield
>601XL, corvair
>N745JB reserved
>Torrance, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>i assume i will have to prime, and then put on two
>coats of paint. is this correct. i essentially want
>to follow the directions on the paint can.
John--
There are a number of ways to proceed --both with preparation and type of
paint. I'm currently in the painting process, so what follows is the way
I'm doing it.
Paint type is Stitts Epoxy primer and Aerothane for finish coat.
The process I've used is to scuff the aluminum with scotchbright pads
followed by a good degreasing wipe down with MEK.
A second wipe down with MEK just prior to painting.
Tack rag wipe down immediately before painting.
Priming and 2 coats of finish works about right
George May
601XL 912s
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| Subject: | Designer approval |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Randy, please remember I am a Canadian and deal with cdn rules. There
are two points to get straight in this post, designer and manufacturer.
You are in fact the manufacturer of a Zenair design plane.If you wish it
to remain a Zenair design ( Chris Heintz) then you need approval for all
structural modifications. IF you do not get signed confirmation of a
structural change from Chris then you are now a designer and must
consider your plane a new model and must provide all testing showing
structural integrity and must submit all design forms to the proper
authorities. Now comes the real fun, a plane designed by Zenair ( Chris
Heintz) can be easily insured. I'm betting that a Randy design will have
difficulties and excessive expenses involved. For the rest please note,
that only a plane built to Zenair's designs, or modifications signed off
by the designer can be legally insured as a Zenair product. This is an
out that insurance companies can use in order to not have a payout, they
will even call in an inspector with explicit instructions to look for
modifications. Cosmetic changes are not applicable to the above
statement only structural, I believe Chris blesses making the plane your
own, just don't change his design.
cdngoose
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Bryant
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:24 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant"
<randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Hi Paul,
Let me back up here a bit... I think some people on the list took my
remarks as a challenge..etc. I was in a round about way asking a
question
about FAR approval, since I've not crossed that bridge yet and hope to
in
the future...not so distant I hope. I just wasn't aware that for a
deviation from plans, that your plane, might get "turned down" on
inspection
just for "not being by the plans", regardless of whether or not the
change
was aircraft worthy or not.
I have been under the impression that if you referred to the FAA
publication, Acceptable Methods Techniques, and Practices: AIRCRAFT
INSPECTION AND REPAIR AC 43.13-1B, that you should be able to "design"
design your own changes, modifications, additions, subtractions..etc.,
without disapproval from the FAR... That was the point/question I was
trying to arise...
Thanks and peace everyone,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:04 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>
> Hi Randy,
>
> I think the truth is somewhere between the two extremes of requiring
> designer approval and not requiring it. I believe kit builders are
indeed
> the manufacturers of their planes and have final say on all things.
On
> the other hand, when building a kit plane or scratch building to some
> other designer's prints it makes sense to ask the designer if changes
you
> are making will keep the overall result within the designed limits.
This
> may not be necessary for little changes like the ordinary procedures
for
> fixing small errors, but when it comes to major structural changes
like
> splicing a spar then it makes a lot of sense to get designer review of
the
> change.
>
> In the end it is the builder who will live or die with the results of
> changes. I guess that means it is optional to seek approval, but
prudent
> in some cases.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>>Hummm.. I had no idea with kit built planes that you had to have the
>>designer's approval... When I asked a while back about bolt torque
specs,
>>I was told that I was the manufacturer and could build/torque them
anyway
>>I wanted...
>>So, I'm assuming any deviation in plans should have to have the
original
>>designer's approval??
>>
>>Just curious....
>
> -
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
7/18/2006
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7/18/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Batteries and dynon update |
Brian,
It looks like you are using AUX. fuel tanks. Could you send me some
pictures off-line of how you did those. Did you get plans from Zenith
showing what to do?
Thanks,
Keith
keith.ashcraft@itt.com
CH701 -- 8% -- scratch
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
********************************************************************************
RURUNY@aol.com wrote:
> Anyone have a dynon product, I have a D10A in my 701.For those
> interested. There is a new firmware update just out July 10th that
> enables the AOA tone to headset and has a full screen DG that keeps
> all the numbers right side up.Many other improvements also.
> I just powered up the completed Aerolectric Connection designed
> electrical system and its
> looking good!! I'm using a power supply on the battery terminals.
> Looking at batteries at
> B&C and wondering about Amp hours. Whats reasonable for VFR only. Id
> like to keep the weight and size of the battery on the low end. Maybe
> a local night flight not very often, mostly daytime. Any battery
> install pics in the back seat of a 701 helpful.
> I have a rotax 912 with the 20 Amp alternator.
> I've attached a pic of panel, hopefully seen at
> http://www.matronics.com/forums
> Lettering has been done with rub on letters and numbers from tower
> hobbies.
> Base paint is grey rustoleum glossy, letters applied and then applied
> a rustoleum flat clear coat. Used blue painters tape to line up
> letters and numbers to keep straight. It took alot of time but looks
> like a military style panel.
> This is posted to Aeroelectric List and Zenith list.
> Brian
> Zenith CH-701
> Long Island, NY
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Designer approval |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Ah ha! That's the answer to my question: "Cosmetic changes are not
applicable to the above
statement only structural"
Thanks,
Randy
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:10 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
> Randy, please remember I am a Canadian and deal with cdn rules. There
> are two points to get straight in this post, designer and manufacturer.
> You are in fact the manufacturer of a Zenair design plane.If you wish it
> to remain a Zenair design ( Chris Heintz) then you need approval for all
> structural modifications. IF you do not get signed confirmation of a
> structural change from Chris then you are now a designer and must
> consider your plane a new model and must provide all testing showing
> structural integrity and must submit all design forms to the proper
> authorities. Now comes the real fun, a plane designed by Zenair ( Chris
> Heintz) can be easily insured. I'm betting that a Randy design will have
> difficulties and excessive expenses involved. For the rest please note,
> that only a plane built to Zenair's designs, or modifications signed off
> by the designer can be legally insured as a Zenair product. This is an
> out that insurance companies can use in order to not have a payout, they
> will even call in an inspector with explicit instructions to look for
> modifications. Cosmetic changes are not applicable to the above
> statement only structural, I believe Chris blesses making the plane your
> own, just don't change his design.
>
> cdngoose
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Bryant
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:24 PM
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant"
> <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Let me back up here a bit... I think some people on the list took my
> remarks as a challenge..etc. I was in a round about way asking a
> question
> about FAR approval, since I've not crossed that bridge yet and hope to
> in
> the future...not so distant I hope. I just wasn't aware that for a
> deviation from plans, that your plane, might get "turned down" on
> inspection
> just for "not being by the plans", regardless of whether or not the
> change
> was aircraft worthy or not.
>
> I have been under the impression that if you referred to the FAA
> publication, Acceptable Methods Techniques, and Practices: AIRCRAFT
> INSPECTION AND REPAIR AC 43.13-1B, that you should be able to "design"
> design your own changes, modifications, additions, subtractions..etc.,
> without disapproval from the FAR... That was the point/question I was
> trying to arise...
>
> Thanks and peace everyone,
>
> Randy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:04 PM
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
>> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>>
>> Hi Randy,
>>
>> I think the truth is somewhere between the two extremes of requiring
>> designer approval and not requiring it. I believe kit builders are
> indeed
>> the manufacturers of their planes and have final say on all things.
> On
>> the other hand, when building a kit plane or scratch building to some
>> other designer's prints it makes sense to ask the designer if changes
> you
>> are making will keep the overall result within the designed limits.
> This
>> may not be necessary for little changes like the ordinary procedures
> for
>> fixing small errors, but when it comes to major structural changes
> like
>> splicing a spar then it makes a lot of sense to get designer review of
> the
>> change.
>>
>> In the end it is the builder who will live or die with the results of
>> changes. I guess that means it is optional to seek approval, but
> prudent
>> in some cases.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Paul
>> XL fuselage
>>
>>>Hummm.. I had no idea with kit built planes that you had to have the
>>>designer's approval... When I asked a while back about bolt torque
> specs,
>>>I was told that I was the manufacturer and could build/torque them
> anyway
>>>I wanted...
>>>So, I'm assuming any deviation in plans should have to have the
> original
>>>designer's approval??
>>>
>>>Just curious....
>>
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>>
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>>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Ah ha! That's the answer to my question: "Cosmetic changes are not
applicable to the above
statement only structural"
Thanks,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:10 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
> Randy, please remember I am a Canadian and deal with cdn rules. There
> are two points to get straight in this post, designer and manufacturer.
> You are in fact the manufacturer of a Zenair design plane.If you wish it
> to remain a Zenair design ( Chris Heintz) then you need approval for all
> structural modifications. IF you do not get signed confirmation of a
> structural change from Chris then you are now a designer and must
> consider your plane a new model and must provide all testing showing
> structural integrity and must submit all design forms to the proper
> authorities. Now comes the real fun, a plane designed by Zenair ( Chris
> Heintz) can be easily insured. I'm betting that a Randy design will have
> difficulties and excessive expenses involved. For the rest please note,
> that only a plane built to Zenair's designs, or modifications signed off
> by the designer can be legally insured as a Zenair product. This is an
> out that insurance companies can use in order to not have a payout, they
> will even call in an inspector with explicit instructions to look for
> modifications. Cosmetic changes are not applicable to the above
> statement only structural, I believe Chris blesses making the plane your
> own, just don't change his design.
>
> cdngoose
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Bryant
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:24 PM
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant"
> <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Let me back up here a bit... I think some people on the list took my
> remarks as a challenge..etc. I was in a round about way asking a
> question
> about FAR approval, since I've not crossed that bridge yet and hope to
> in
> the future...not so distant I hope. I just wasn't aware that for a
> deviation from plans, that your plane, might get "turned down" on
> inspection
> just for "not being by the plans", regardless of whether or not the
> change
> was aircraft worthy or not.
>
> I have been under the impression that if you referred to the FAA
> publication, Acceptable Methods Techniques, and Practices: AIRCRAFT
> INSPECTION AND REPAIR AC 43.13-1B, that you should be able to "design"
> design your own changes, modifications, additions, subtractions..etc.,
> without disapproval from the FAR... That was the point/question I was
> trying to arise...
>
> Thanks and peace everyone,
>
> Randy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:04 PM
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
>> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>>
>> Hi Randy,
>>
>> I think the truth is somewhere between the two extremes of requiring
>> designer approval and not requiring it. I believe kit builders are
> indeed
>> the manufacturers of their planes and have final say on all things.
> On
>> the other hand, when building a kit plane or scratch building to some
>> other designer's prints it makes sense to ask the designer if changes
> you
>> are making will keep the overall result within the designed limits.
> This
>> may not be necessary for little changes like the ordinary procedures
> for
>> fixing small errors, but when it comes to major structural changes
> like
>> splicing a spar then it makes a lot of sense to get designer review of
> the
>> change.
>>
>> In the end it is the builder who will live or die with the results of
>> changes. I guess that means it is optional to seek approval, but
> prudent
>> in some cases.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Paul
>> XL fuselage
>>
>>>Hummm.. I had no idea with kit built planes that you had to have the
>>>designer's approval... When I asked a while back about bolt torque
> specs,
>>>I was told that I was the manufacturer and could build/torque them
> anyway
>>>I wanted...
>>>So, I'm assuming any deviation in plans should have to have the
> original
>>>designer's approval??
>>>
>>>Just curious....
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL CAD drawings |
I've got a full set of Solidworks files if you're interested in any of them.
(Well, nearly a full set. I'm still working ont he wings). Let me know what
you're looking for, and I'll work up some .DXF prints.
lwinger <larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger"
Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who would be willing
to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts?
This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks.
Thanks.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL plan set 6493 in hand
Workshop nearly complete
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48862#48862
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| Subject: | Re: test "do knot archive" in PROFILE Question |
Thanks Matt,
Got the answer, sure will be a 24 hrs 365 days reading by you to check all the
posts, all the list!!!! .... But glad you do eventually.
I will try not to forget the Do not archive, and as much as possible on focus posts.
prob a little joke once in a while, to light things up.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt
Dralle
Hi Gary,
Well the answer is yes-and-no. If something gets posted and ultimately added to
the archive that is particularly heinous, then I can go in a edit the archives
as necessary. But this is a labor intensive process, and generally not something
I do too often.
Matt Dralle
List Admin.
At 11:48 PM 7/19/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Hello Matt
>
>I have a question since some years ago...
>
>Can you delete (or clean) the archives from some mails that beeing "not related"
were released accidentally without the Do not archive note in it?
>
>Just curious... Thanks one more time for this great lists
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower
>Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
>Do not archive
>
>
>Matt Dralle wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>At 04:47 AM 7/19/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap"
>>
>>I set my signature in my PROFILE to ".....Geoff.......do knot archive"
>>Lets see if it follows this text. Just in case though DO KNOT ARCHIVE
>>Read this topic online here:
>
>
>Geoff and others,
>
>Please _do not_ do this!
>
>This permanently kills valuable threads of discussion unnecessarily. If someone
responds to your message with some information that should have been in the
archive, then it doesn't make it.
>
>I can't stress enough, _do not_ put the "do knot archive" string in your signature
file.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
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Hello Milburn,
I think that more important that getting a GPS (and learning all his "goodies")
is to learn to navigate with the charts (the old way) this needs a little study
from your old private pilot school books :-) and lots of practice (is also
fun) my last cross country was planned and I used the compas, windows (not
the computer one :-), chart, plotter rule, computer rule, watch and pencil...
Was lots of fun,
Even flying over known area, is easy to get lost, not that you dont know where
you are, BUT to find your actual position with accuracy in the chart :-)
Fly for fun and practice the basics, the GPS is a very good backup instrument...
Sorry, forgot firstto look at the satelite weather page at home before any flight,
dont fly in marginal weather. Too risky to smash that expensive GPS :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
701 912S.
Building a 601 XL.
Milburn Reed <milreed@directcon.net> wrote: Thank you p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net------
good advise to us po fok building a ch 701----- I can use that
low cost unit (have seen on sale for 299 and a Garmin already),until I sell a
160 acre parcel, then will probably need something else (bigger tractor?)
Milburn Reed
http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/
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Why dig with a shovel, when you got a backhoe? Do not archive, Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS
Hello Milburn,
I think that more important that getting a GPS (and learning all his
"goodies") is to learn to navigate with the charts (the old way) this
needs a little study from your old private pilot school books :-) and
lots of practice (is also fun) my last cross country was planned and I
used the compas, windows (not the computer one :-), chart, plotter
rule, computer rule, watch and pencil... Was lots of fun,
Even flying over known area, is easy to get lost, not that you dont
know where you are, BUT to find your actual position with accuracy in
the chart :-)
Fly for fun and practice the basics, the GPS is a very good backup
instrument...
Sorry, forgot firstto look at the satelite weather page at home before
any flight, dont fly in marginal weather. Too risky to smash that
expensive GPS :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
701 912S.
Building a 601 XL.
Milburn Reed <milreed@directcon.net> wrote:
Thank you p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net------ good advise to us po fok
building a ch 701----- I can use that low cost unit (have seen on sale
for 299 and a Garmin already),until I sell a 160 acre parcel, then will
probably need something else (bigger tractor?)
Milburn Reed
http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/
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| Subject: | Re: Batteries and dynon update |
Keith,
The only instructions were in a newer version of the plans showing a vague
drawing
of the installation. The tanks mount directly outside the inboard tanks. The
only difference in the aux tanks is the finger screen comes out the rear
inboard of the tank.
Everything else was just doubled in the kit. Problem I'm working on now is
how to fit the 2 gascolaters with the straight hose barbs around the flap
handle as in the plan but in reality it will not work. I am thinking of going
with metal lines and AN fittings from the wing root to in behind the seat to the
selector valve. Selector valve is OFF- INBD tanks -OUTBD tanks.
Here are a few pics of the tanks installed. Sorry about the size of these
but I don't have time to shrink them right now, especially to dial up people.
I've been meaning to send a bunch of these to CH701.com but am too busy to get
it done.
Brian
......It looks like you are using AUX. fuel tanks. Could you send me some
pictures off-line of how you did those.
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When the backhoe busts a hydraulic line and the sh*t is overflowing into
your basement, you best know how to use the shovel.....
Dusty
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS
Why dig with a shovel, when you got a backhoe? Do not archive, Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS
Hello Milburn,
I think that more important that getting a GPS (and learning all his
"goodies") is to learn to navigate with the charts (the old way) this
needs a little study from your old private pilot school books :-) and
lots of practice (is also fun) my last cross country was planned and I
used the compas, windows (not the computer one :-), chart, plotter
rule, computer rule, watch and pencil... Was lots of fun,
Even flying over known area, is easy to get lost, not that you
dont know where you are, BUT to find your actual position with accuracy
in the chart :-)
Fly for fun and practice the basics, the GPS is a very good backup
instrument...
Sorry, forgot firstto look at the satelite weather page at home
before any flight, dont fly in marginal weather. Too risky to smash
that expensive GPS :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
701 912S.
Building a 601 XL.
Milburn Reed <milreed@directcon.net> wrote:
Thank you p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net------ good advise to us po
fok building a ch 701----- I can use that low cost unit (have seen on
sale for 299 and a Garmin already),until I sell a 160 acre parcel, then
will probably need something else (bigger tractor?)
Milburn Reed
http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/
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| Subject: | Re: Designer approval |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Randy,
I am not an expert on interpretation of FARs, but I do have an idea
that might be interesting for this line of conversation.
I don't think the FAA inspectors are in the business of determining
how safe your airplane might or not be. That is, in the case of an
experimental - Amateur Built airworthiness certificate. I have been
led to believe the general idea behind the inspection for this kind
of certificate is more about the paper work than the airplane. They
want to know you really built the plane or at that least it wasn't
built by professional mechanics. This is not much of an issue for a
Zodiac or 701 but can be more of an issue when you get to really high
performance expensive planes. They also want to make sure all the
paper work is properly filled out and then they must issue
appropriate flight restrictions for your new plane. The working
assumption is you can kill yourself any way you want, but the
government is here to protect the general population from your crazy
idea of flying an airplane you built in your garage. After you have
flown off the 40 hours over no-mans-land then they will let you fly
it around as if it were a safe airplane.
The exception to this rule seems to be the E-LSA category of
airworthiness certificate that takes effect after January 31,
2008. I haven't studied the wording of the FARs but the general idea
is it must be exactly like the S-LSA it is patterned after. In this
case, I don't know how they determine whether or not there are
deviations from the design but you aren't supposed to make any. Of
course, nobody knows how this will be implemented since it won't be
done for a couple of years yet.
I hope this helps a little.
Paul
XL fuselage
>Hi Paul,
>
>Let me back up here a bit... I think some people on the list took
>my remarks as a challenge..etc. I was in a round about way asking a
>question about FAR approval, since I've not crossed that bridge yet
>and hope to in the future...not so distant I hope. I just wasn't
>aware that for a deviation from plans, that your plane, might get
>"turned down" on inspection just for "not being by the plans",
>regardless of whether or not the change was aircraft worthy or not.
>
>I have been under the impression that if you referred to the FAA
>publication, Acceptable Methods Techniques, and Practices: AIRCRAFT
>INSPECTION AND REPAIR AC 43.13-1B, that you should be able to
>"design" design your own changes, modifications, additions,
>subtractions..etc., without disapproval from the FAR... That was
>the point/question I was trying to arise...
>
>Thanks and peace everyone,
>
>Randy
-
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| Subject: | Re: Batteries and dynon update |
Hi Brian,
That is a beautiful instrument panel.
I don't think the battery size should be determined by the type of
flying you are doing. That should be considered when sizing the
generator. The Generator should be big enough to keep the battery
charged, recharge it after starting the engine, and power all the
gizmos you will use at one time.
I think the primary consideration for the battery is how much
cranking power you need to start your engine. This could vary
considerably from one engine to another and would also be impacted by
the type of systems you have on the engine like carburetor vs. fuel
injection. It would also vary considerably by the outside air
temperatures you want to start your plane in. If you will keep your
plane in tropical climates you need a smaller battery than if you
live at the arctic circle.
Perhaps the best way to start choosing a battery is talk to other
owners of similar engines located near you and copy their choices.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 03:38 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote:
>Anyone have a dynon product, I have a D10A in my 701.For those
>interested. There is a new firmware update just out July 10th that
>enables the AOA tone to headset and has a full screen DG that keeps
>all the numbers right side up.Many other improvements also.
>I just powered up the completed Aerolectric Connection designed
>electrical system and its
>looking good!! I'm using a power supply on the battery terminals.
>Looking at batteries at
>B&C and wondering about Amp hours. Whats reasonable for VFR only. Id
>like to keep the weight and size of the battery on the low end.
>Maybe a local night flight not very often, mostly daytime. Any
>battery install pics in the back seat of a 701 helpful.
>I have a rotax 912 with the 20 Amp alternator.
>I've attached a pic of panel, hopefully seen at
><http://www.matronics.com/forums>http://www.matronics.com/forums
>Lettering has been done with rub on letters and numbers from tower hobbies.
>Base paint is grey rustoleum glossy, letters applied and then
>applied a rustoleum flat clear coat. Used blue painters tape to line
>up letters and numbers to keep straight. It took alot of time but
>looks like a military style panel.
>This is posted to Aeroelectric List and Zenith list.
>Brian
>Zenith CH-701
>Long Island, NY
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL CAD drawings |
Thanks for your offer. Because I work in an office with a plotter and
networked Autodesk stations, I'm going to try to bring in DWG files. If DXF
can be exported to DWG (or imported on my end), that would be great.
In the meantime, I'm actually learning more about Autodesk in a hurry. Who
knows, I may be another resource for the next scratch builder who wants
Autodesk files.
If you are willing to send along one file as a sample, I'll be glad to try
to convert it.
As usual, the response of the list has been impressive. I hope I can
reciprocate at some future date.
Larry
On 7/20/06, Tom and Bren Henderson <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
>
> I've got a full set of Solidworks files if you're interested in any of
> them. (Well, nearly a full set. I'm still working ont he wings). Let me
> know what you're looking for, and I'll work up some .DXF prints.
>
>
> *lwinger <larrywinger@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger"
>
>
> Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who would
> be willing to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts?
>
> This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Larry Winger
> Tustin, CA
> 601XL plan set 6493 in hand
> Workshop nearly complete
>
>
> Read this topic online
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Batteries and dynon update |
Brian,
Nice panel, nice straight holes in the centers of the ribs too. As far as
the battery, I went with the Odyssey 680. I got it from Aircraft Spruce along
with the battery hold down tray. There are other places that you can but it for
less. Ask the group and you will get some responses. I highly recommend the
battery. I did mount it behind the passenger seat back, weight is 15 lbs.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX 62 hrs
In a message dated 7/20/2006 11:52:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net writes:
Hi Brian,
That is a beautiful instrument panel.
I don't think the battery size should be determined by the type of flying
you are doing. That should be considered when sizing the generator. The
Generator should be big enough to keep the battery charged, recharge it after
starting the engine, and power all the gizmos you will use at one time.
I think the primary consideration for the battery is how much cranking power
you need to start your engine. This could vary considerably from one engine
to another and would also be impacted by the type of systems you have on the
engine like carburetor vs. fuel injection. It would also vary considerably
by the outside air temperatures you want to start your plane in. If you
will keep your plane in tropical climates you need a smaller battery than if you
live at the arctic circle.
Perhaps the best way to start choosing a battery is talk to other owners of
similar engines located near you and copy their choices.
Good luck,
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| Subject: | Re: VMS 10-11 Primer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
It's BMS 10-11. (Boeing Material Specification). PPG is one source.
http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/doingbiz/environmental/waterborne.html
(I was a chemical process engineer in MR+D at Boeing Commercial Airplane.)
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
CH601XL 365 hours and no paint
shoe size 12
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, John Marzulli wrote:
> I happened by someone servicing a float today ( big Edo type for an Otter or
> Caravan ) up at Kenmore Air and ask what primer he was using.
>
> He told me it was called VMS 10-11 and that it was stronger than Zinc
> Chromate. A quick Google search revealed nothing useful.
>
> Does anyone here know anything about it or know a source for it?
> Thanks
> --
> John Marzulli
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
>
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| Subject: | Sensenich wood prop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Are any of you guys flying a 601HD with a Corvair and using a Sensenich
wood prop? I think I'm going to replace my Warp with a wood prop. Maybe if
someone is flying a 6 cylinder Jabriu/HD with a Sensenich the required
pitch might be about the same (only backwards)
I hate to be the pioneer in this.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Build Time |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phyrcooler" <phyrcooler@hotmail.com>
Ed - thank you for taking the time you did for your reply. I was curious as to
what type of builder you were - and the relationship between experience and build
time. As noted in another post with someone reporting quite short build
times - they appeared to be fairly knowledgeable in the process. (OK - probably
a gross understatement if they have their own CNC equipment!!). :D
And while I myself cannot play the bagpipes... my Scottish heritage makes me greatly
appreciate those who can make music come out of those instruments!
dj
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