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1. 01:51 AM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Tom and Bren Henderson)
2. 03:52 AM - PHOTO RESIZER (rhartwig11@juno.com)
3. 04:19 AM - Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (Monty Graves)
4. 04:26 AM - Re: Sensenich wood prop (Monty Graves)
5. 04:45 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG (martyn@flight.co.za)
6. 04:58 AM - Re: 601XL Build Time (steveadams)
7. 05:15 AM - Re: "Ban" (Zed Smith)
8. 06:16 AM - Re: GPS (Robert Schoenberger)
9. 06:45 AM - Re: painting (steveadams)
10. 07:38 AM - Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder (N5SL)
11. 07:51 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Monty Graves)
12. 07:57 AM - Re: Batteries and dynon update (Mike Fothergill)
13. 08:22 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Gary Boothe)
14. 08:40 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Dave)
15. 08:54 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
16. 09:35 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
17. 09:35 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Jim Logajan)
18. 09:35 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a ()
19. 09:41 AM - RE : Re: Batteries and dynon update - Pictures (Carlos Sa)
20. 09:41 AM - 701 elevator trim after riveting--Thanks! (Brian kissinger)
21. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: Batteries and dynon update (Randy L. Thwing)
22. 10:12 AM - Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (Tom and Bren Henderson)
23. 10:18 AM - picture brouhaha (Bill Cardell)
24. 10:34 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Paul Mulwitz)
25. 10:59 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (Joemotis@aol.com)
26. 11:12 AM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Larry Winger)
27. 11:13 AM - Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (Randy Bryant)
28. 11:21 AM - Re: picture brouhaha (Randy L. Thwing)
29. 11:28 AM - Cutting Aluminum (Clyde Barcus)
30. 11:46 AM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Tom and Bren Henderson)
31. 12:02 PM - Today's picture <35 KB (Carlos Sa)
32. 12:03 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (Al Young)
33. 12:13 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
34. 12:14 PM - Test (Beckman, Rick)
35. 12:32 PM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Randy L. Thwing)
36. 12:32 PM - Re: Designer approval (steveadams)
37. 12:47 PM - Re: Today's picture <35 KB (Tom and Bren Henderson)
38. 12:50 PM - Re: Cutting Aluminum (Randy L. Thwing)
39. 12:51 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG (Doug Sire)
40. 01:09 PM - Re: Cutting Aluminum (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
41. 01:41 PM - Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (Tommy Walker)
42. 02:02 PM - Where's the prop go? (Dave Ruddiman)
43. 02:12 PM - Re: Cutting Aluminum (William Dominguez)
44. 02:12 PM - Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (NYTerminat@aol.com)
45. 02:23 PM - Re: Where da prop? (Zed Smith)
46. 02:30 PM - XL baggage floor (Jaybannist@cs.com)
47. 02:34 PM - So long, farewell (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
48. 02:34 PM - Re: Z,enith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (Tommy Walker)
49. 02:47 PM - Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (Tom and Bren Henderson)
50. 03:24 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (Robert L. Stone)
51. 03:25 PM - RE : Re: Today's picture <35 KB (Carlos Sa)
52. 03:26 PM - Re: 601XL Build Time (Phyrcooler)
53. 03:38 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Monty Graves)
54. 03:52 PM - Re: Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder (Josh)
55. 03:58 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Joemotis@aol.com)
56. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Where da prop? (Randy Bryant)
57. 04:05 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Joemotis@aol.com)
58. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time (Jean-Paul Roy)
59. 04:19 PM - Re: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) (N5SL)
60. 04:38 PM - Re: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) (Gary Boothe)
61. 04:49 PM - Re: Ban them from the list+CAD (Bill Naumuk)
62. 04:51 PM - Re: Do Not Archive.....etc..... (Dave Austin)
63. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time (Dave Austin)
64. 05:04 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Dave)
65. 05:12 PM - Apologies (RURUNY@aol.com)
66. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Glide Ratio power off-an experiment (Chuck Deiterich)
67. 05:29 PM - Re: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) (Randy Bryant)
68. 05:35 PM - Re: Cutting Aluminum (Clyde Barcus)
69. 05:37 PM - Re: Designer approval (Noel Loveys)
70. 05:46 PM - Re: Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder (N5SL)
71. 05:49 PM - Re: XL baggage floor (cleonard52@comcast.net)
72. 05:58 PM - Re: Batteries and dynon update (Noel Loveys)
73. 06:20 PM - Re: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) (Paul Mulwitz)
74. 06:28 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Joemotis@aol.com)
75. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Batteries and dynon update ()
76. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: 701 testing phase (NYTerminat@aol.com)
77. 07:27 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (Noel Loveys)
78. 07:27 PM - Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (NYTerminat@aol.com)
79. 07:38 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG (Noel Loveys)
80. 07:39 PM - Re: Where's the prop go? (Noel Loveys)
81. 07:46 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Noel Loveys)
82. 07:49 PM - Re: Sensenich wood prop (Dave Thompson)
83. 08:20 PM - Re: So long, farewell (j. davis)
84. 08:28 PM - West coast guys!! (LHusky@aol.com)
85. 09:23 PM - Re: Sensenich wood prop (Randy Stout)
86. 11:34 PM - Re: So long, farewell (Thilo Kind)
87. 11:34 PM - Recent posting (Thilo Kind)
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Subject: | Re: 601XL CAD drawings |
No problem, I'll send a sample file tomorrow. I can export to nearly any commercial
CAD format (including .DWG) from Solidworks. I was rather surprised
to see a post from the original draftsman of the XL drawings. That's not something
I think I would admit to so redily. I would certainly not have used the
tone with which I took his post.
The poor guy mentioned the fact that the drawings are copyrighted (I believe
that was about the only point he had to make). Of course they are! The issue
here is not that we want electronic copies of the existing, protected drawings.
Many of us are looking for higher quality, full scale drawings for use
as templates, references, etc. Would you rather plot fifty points on a piece
of paper and connect the dots, or click the print button? I guess I though it
was kind of a no-brainer.
At any rate, I'll post a file for you tomorrow that will give you an idea
of whther or not they'll help you out. (One of my own, not an illegally reproduced
Zenith print! *sheesh!* lol)
Larry Winger <larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for your offer. Because I work in an office with a plotter and networked
Autodesk stations, I'm going to try to bring in DWG files. If DXF can be
exported to DWG (or imported on my end), that would be great.
In the meantime, I'm actually learning more about Autodesk in a hurry. Who knows,
I may be another resource for the next scratch builder who wants Autodesk
files.
If you are willing to send along one file as a sample, I'll be glad to try to
convert it.
As usual, the response of the list has been impressive. I hope I can reciprocate
at some future date.
Larry
On 7/20/06, Tom and Bren Henderson <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
I've got a full set of Solidworks files if you're interested in any of them.
(Well, nearly a full set. I'm still working ont he wings). Let me know what
you're looking for, and I'll work up some .DXF prints.
lwinger <larrywinger@gmail.com > wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger"
Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who would be willing
to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts?
This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks.
Thanks.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL plan set 6493 in hand
Workshop nearly complete
Read this topic online
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
If you would like a very simple photo size reducer by Microsoft, just
click on my e-mail address, rhartwig11@juno.com , and I will send you a
copy of it. With this "Power toy" all you do is right click on your
photo and then click on the size you want. On screen quality is the same
as the original. I would give you a link to this utility on the
Microsoft website, but can't seem to find it.
Rich Hartwig
Waunakee, WI
rhartwig11@juno.com
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Subject: | Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Mat Dralle,
Please ban from the Zenith list anyone that sends a I MG byte file or
larger......
Another 1 MG file was sent last evening........
Some of these guys are too stupid to build an airplane.........
Or maybe we can identify them at the Zenith Builders dinner at OSH, and
beat the shit out of them instead.....
absolutely archive this message.
Monty Graves
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Subject: | Re: Sensenich wood prop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
www.culverprops.com Call and talk to Gene. They leave for OSH Sunday
though
At 01:20 AM 7/21/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
>
>Are any of you guys flying a 601HD with a Corvair and using a Sensenich
>wood prop? I think I'm going to replace my Warp with a wood prop. Maybe if
>someone is flying a 6 cylinder Jabriu/HD with a Sensenich the required
>pitch might be about the same (only backwards)
>
>I hate to be the pioneer in this.
>
>Randy Stout
>n282rs"at"earthlink.net
>www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
Maybe also ban passive aggressive behaviour?
Do not Archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
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> Mat Dralle,
>
> Please ban from the Zenith list anyone that sends a I MG byte file or
> larger......
>
> Another 1 MG file was sent last evening........
>
> Some of these guys are too stupid to build an airplane.........
>
> Or maybe we can identify them at the Zenith Builders dinner at OSH, and
> beat the shit out of them instead.....
>
> absolutely archive this message.
>
> Monty Graves
>
>
Do not Archive
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Subject: | Re: 601XL Build Time |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Comparing build times from different builders is really of little value because
everybody compiles their times differently and with varied diligence. It's the
same as asking how many years did it take to build the plane. It took me 1 year
working regularly, it may have taken someone else 5 years working intermitantly.
Who took longer to build their plane? For example, I built my CH640 in
about 750 hours from a quickbuild kit. This is from recieving the kit all the
way to painted and flying. But what I logged as building time is only time spent
in the garage or hanger with my hands on the plane. Every day I went in there
I knew what I was going to do, had already reviewed and marked relevant drawings,
knew I had everything available to do that portion of the build etc. If
I included all the time spent reviewing the plans, tracking down parts and supplies,
planning my panel, planning what I was going to do during my next time
in the shop, planning the paint scheme, researching paints and avionics, corresponding
with Zenair etc etc etc, I could probably at least double the build
hours and be pretty accurate. Which number is my build time?
It is even less reliable in predicting the build quality of the plane. One builder
may have a short build time because he was organized, knew and understood
the drawings and the procedures during the build, and made few mistakes. Another
builder with a long build time may be reading along as he works, disorganized,
not have a good overall concept of the job at hand, make a lot of time consuming
mistakes etc. Which one is going to build a better aircraft? It's impossible
to say for sure, but overall build time will not be a factor.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48992#48992
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Looks like George Carlin is alive and well, and a contributor to the Zenith List.
Kind Sir: We've all, myself included, hit the Send button on some stuff that,
in retrospect, maybe we shouldn't have let get onto the public billboard......but
so far nobody has stooped to nasty name-calling or used Carlin's vocabulary
in direct reference to other builders.
Please exercise some restraint; there may be children in the audience.....or children
building airplanes.
Thank you very much, have a nice day, batteries not included, some assembly required.
Zed/701/R912/another example of off-topic posts/let the fray begin
By all means, add this to the archives!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Larry wrote:
> *Why dig with a shovel, when you got a backhoe? Do not archive, Larry*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gary Gower <mailto:ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: GPS
>
> Hello Milburn,
>
> I think that more important that getting a GPS (and learning all
> his "goodies") is to learn to navigate with the charts (the old
> way) this needs a little study from your old private pilot school
> books :-) and lots of practice (is also fun) my last cross
> country was planned and I used the compas, windows (not the
> computer one :-), chart, plotter rule, computer rule, watch and
> pencil... Was lots of fun,
>
> Even flying over known area, is easy to get lost, not that you
> dont know where you are, BUT to find your actual position with
> accuracy in the chart :-)
>
> Fly for fun and practice the basics, the GPS is a very good
> backup instrument...
>
> Sorry, forgot firstto look at the satelite weather page at home
> before any flight, dont fly in marginal weather. Too risky to
> smash that expensive GPS :-)
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
> 701 912S.
> Building a 601 XL.
>
> */Milburn Reed <milreed@directcon.net>/* wrote:
>
> Thank you *//*
> <mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>*/p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net
> <mailto:p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net------>/*------ good advise
> to us po fok building a ch 701----- I can use that low cost
> unit (have seen on sale for 299 and a Garmin already),until I
> sell a 160 acre parcel, then will probably need something else
> (bigger tractor?)
> Milburn Reed
> http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Date: 7/14/2006
>
Sometimes backhoes break down or run out of juice. I agree with Gary.
robert Schoenberger 701 do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
I also went with the AFS paints for many of the reasons sited above. In addition,
as someone with no painting experience, I found their system to be user friendly
and they provide good documentation and support. If you have a paint booth/respirator
available however, many of the safety concerns I had with standard
polyurethanes are probably secondary. I think you can probably get good results
from most of the commonly used paints. Just make sure you use a complete
system from one manufacturer that will provide good documentation on how to prep
for and apply their particular paint. This way you'll avoid any possible incompatibility
between primer and topcoat, and by using their recommended methods
you'll be following something that has proven to give good results with their
paints. Pay particular attention to times between coats, how much paint to
apply each coat, pot life of the mixed paint, and trying to be very consistent
with the viscosity and mixing of the paint. Small variations in these can make
it extremely difficult to get consistently good results. Technically it's not
really all that difficult, but it is a lot of work, and can be extremely frustrating
at times. Start with some small parts like access covers, wheel pants,
spinner etc. This will give you an opportunity to get a feel for how much paint
to apply with each coat to get a nice looking finish, and will be relatively
easy to strip and repaint when you make the mistakes that you will make. Some
of my wheel pants were painted and stripped 3 times before I got a feel for
that magical amount of paint somewhere between orange peel and runs. This was
another big advantage to the AFS paints. If I really messed up, I just took the
part outside in the yard and washed the wet paint off with the hose and some
dish soap and was ready for another shot at it. Not too practical for bigger
parts, but great during the learning phase. Have fun. Seeing the transition from
bare aluminum or fiberglass to beautiful shiny pieces of a finished airplane
was rea!
lly a th
rill.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49007#49007
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Subject: | Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Good Morning:
If you are a kit builder of a 601XL, could you measure
the width of your wing-root seal rubber for me? I'm
about to order some and I want to make sure it is the
right width. An Aircraft Spruce or Wicks part number
would be ideal but if you can measure yours and give
me the width I can find it.
Thank you,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Almost finished with Canopy
__________________________________________________
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
runruny@aol.com
Or was it ronrony@aol.com
I hope spamers glean this address, and send loads of viruses and spy bots
to him......
In fact I URGE everyone with dial up to send him a virus........
He sent ANOTHER 13MB file...........a little more aggressive behavior from
everyone, MIGHT help him understand.......... a piece of well seasoned
hickory on a mules head gets there attention every time..........
I am sure he is a nice guy, He and several others just don't know what
they are doing when it comes to uploading images.
Monty Graves
Do Not archive
At 01:36 PM 7/21/2006 +0200, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
>
>Maybe also ban passive aggressive behaviour?
>
>Do not Archive
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
> >
> > Mat Dralle,
> >
> > Please ban from the Zenith list anyone that sends a I MG byte file or
> > larger......
> >
> > Another 1 MG file was sent last evening........
> >
> > Some of these guys are too stupid to build an airplane.........
> >
> > Or maybe we can identify them at the Zenith Builders dinner at OSH, and
> > beat the shit out of them instead.....
> >
> > absolutely archive this message.
> >
> > Monty Graves
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>Do not Archive
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Subject: | Re: Batteries and dynon update |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Please. No large pics. Reduce them.
Do not archive
RURUNY@aol.com wrote:
> Anyone have a dynon product, I have a D10A in my 701.For those
> interested. There is a new firmware update just out July 10th that
> enables the AOA tone to headset and has a full screen DG that keeps all
> the numbers right side up.Many other improvements also.
> I just powered up the completed Aerolectric Connection designed
> electrical system and its
> looking good!! I'm using a power supply on the battery terminals.
> Looking at batteries at
> B&C and wondering about Amp hours. Whats reasonable for VFR only. Id
> like to keep the weight and size of the battery on the low end. Maybe a
> local night flight not very often, mostly daytime. Any battery install
> pics in the back seat of a 701 helpful.
> I have a rotax 912 with the 20 Amp alternator.
> I've attached a pic of panel, hopefully seen at
> http://www.matronics.com/forums
> Lettering has been done with rub on letters and numbers from tower hobbies.
> Base paint is grey rustoleum glossy, letters applied and then applied a
> rustoleum flat clear coat. Used blue painters tape to line up letters
> and numbers to keep straight. It took alot of time but looks like a
> military style panel.
> This is posted to Aeroelectric List and Zenith list.
> Brian
> Zenith CH-701
> Long Island, NY
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Subject: | Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Monty,
I'm pretty much an internet neophyte, so I'm a little confused by your
vitriol. If you are referring to "runruny@..." I looked up his last two
posts out of curiosity. One dated 7/20 has a 1MB attachment (not a 13MB),
and the previous one is minuscule.
Yes, maybe 1MB is too large for some, but a better solution to beating him
with a hickory stick may be to tell him how to downsize his images. After
all, I don't think being an internet wiz, or a computer guru, qualifies
anyone to build airplanes.
You may find this amazing, but people were actually building flying machines
before the internet!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
Do Not Archive
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
runruny@aol.com
Or was it ronrony@aol.com
I hope spamers glean this address, and send loads of viruses and spy bots
to him......
In fact I URGE everyone with dial up to send him a virus........
He sent ANOTHER 13MB file...........a little more aggressive behavior from
everyone, MIGHT help him understand.......... a piece of well seasoned
hickory on a mules head gets there attention every time..........
I am sure he is a nice guy, He and several others just don't know what
they are doing when it comes to uploading images.
Monty Graves
Do Not archive
At 01:36 PM 7/21/2006 +0200, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za
>
>Maybe also ban passive aggressive behaviour?
>
>Do not Archive
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
> >
> > Mat Dralle,
> >
> > Please ban from the Zenith list anyone that sends a I MG byte file or
> > larger......
> >
> > Another 1 MG file was sent last evening........
> >
> > Some of these guys are too stupid to build an airplane.........
> >
> > Or maybe we can identify them at the Zenith Builders dinner at OSH, and
> > beat the shit out of them instead.....
> >
> > absolutely archive this message.
> >
> > Monty Graves
> >
> >
> >
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
What a ridiculous suggestion, are you so comfortable and so spoiled that any
inconvenience to you must result in permanent exile of the person who causes
it? It's a picture, you'll live.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:46 AM
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I think we should ban smokers, too! Jeez, it's gettin to the point that I
have to wear a mask and latex gloves, just to type on my computer!
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file |
Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In Georgia the
communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist Threats and Acts
that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was done over the Internet
across interstate wire comminution such acts could be a Federal charge. My
advise is that any threat of violence to anyone on this list for any reason
should result in immediate call to the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office. Can anyone
identify who this Monty is and where he lives? I will be glad to make the call.
Bill Phillips,
Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.com>
Gary Boothe wrote:
> Monty,
>
> I'm pretty much an internet neophyte, so I'm a little confused by your
> vitriol. If you are referring to "runruny@..." I looked up his last two
> posts out of curiosity. One dated 7/20 has a 1MB attachment (not a 13MB),
> and the previous one is minuscule.
It is probable that your ISP filtered out the 13MB message so you never
saw it. Monty is correct in his complaint: "runruny@..." has sent two
extremely large e-mails with picture attachments - one that my e-mail
client (Mozilla Thunderbird) reports as being 1896 KB and the second as
13,508 KB. Sadly, the larger of the two was sent AFTER people
complained. (The photos were well done, at least.)
I have DSL, so normally such large isolated e-mails are not an issue.
But I also travel occasionally to places without high-speed internet and
have had to use dial-up from my laptop in order to keep up with work
stuff. Then those huge e-mails do become a serious problem.
> Yes, maybe 1MB is too large for some, but a better solution to beating him
> with a hickory stick may be to tell him how to downsize his images. After
> all, I don't think being an internet wiz, or a computer guru, qualifies
> anyone to build airplanes.
The "runruny@..." person may be a fine pilot in front of the controls of
a plane, a great builder, and all-around gentleman, but probably
shouldn't be allowed in front of a computer again until he's had his
biennial computing review. ;-) A couple of people have already posted
useful pointers on how to reduce image sizes before they are sent. I'm
not sure what else can be done, short of action by the moderator.
Anyway, this is my first (and possibly last) e-mail to this list. I've
been lurking for a short while to get a feel for the issues Zenith
Zodiac builders encounter, among other things. It's quite an active
list, so to avoid swamping myself I need to unsubscribe before checking
out the next list I'm interested in lurking on (probably the RV-9 list).
Take care all!
Jim Logajan
Dexter, OR
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Okay now..... everyone take a deep breath.... that's it. Feel better? BTW, being
a computer whiz does not entitle anyone to be rude or to be inconsiderate in
return for someone else's errors.
Ed Moody II
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Don't bother flaming me, I will simplt hit delete.
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Subject: | Re: Batteries and dynon update - Pictures |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Guys, I too was upset, even though I have broadband.
But after a milisecond or two, I figured that Brian intended to send these pictures
privately.
See extract from his note below.
And he did send it privately, but forgot to remove this list's email address, so
we all got a
copy as well.
Stuff happens.
Cheers
Carlos
do not archive.
Shred this note where facilities exist.
--- RURUNY@aol.com a crit :
...
> Here are a few pics of the tanks installed. Sorry about the size of these
> but I don't have time to shrink them right now, especially to dial up people.
> I've been meaning to send a bunch of these to CH701.com but am too busy to get
> it done.
>
> Brian
__________________________________________________
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contre les messages non nollicits
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Subject: | 701 elevator trim after riveting--Thanks! |
Greetings all:
I just want to say thanks to all those who helped me with my dilemna when I riveted
close my elevator but still needed to put my electric trim option in.
The inputs/advice of this list really paid off and helped me. Talking with "Bee
Gee" Fritz over the phone, Debo Cox e-mail, Brian "RURUNY" pictures and e-mail,
all were a great help. Now I should be complete with my tail kit before
I leave for Oshkosh then back on the wings when I return.
Cheers,
Brian "Brain" Kissinger
www.brainsflight.com
779BF reserved
fuselage on gear
wing skeletons done
tail kit almost done
ps Here's a small picture (83KB) of my accomplishment...please e-mail any negative
comments to yourself or your Mom :)
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Cheers,
"Brain" Kissinger
www.brainsflight.com
$1 or greater donations to the American Brain Tumor Association
gladly accepted on-line--Thank you!
---------------------------------
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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Subject: | Re: Batteries and dynon update |
Listers:
When someone sends large photos, I attribute it to inexperience with
images, but I went back and read this email and found the sender
completely capable, but "didn't have time" to reduce the size. It took
this dial-up lister 45 minutes to download, 9.86 mb total. I saved the
pictures, activated my image software, resized the photos in less that
four minutes.
I normally wouldn't respond to something like this, but the attitude
that one's time is more valuable than others goes against the spirit of
this list. I also notice this message was sent direct to Keith as well
as the list. Why wasn't the list message delayed until the sender had
"time" to resize the photos. I have only dial-up which works fine when
simple consideration is shown.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, NV
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: RURUNY@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Batteries and dynon update
Keith,
Sorry about the size of these but I don't have time to shrink them
right now, especially to dial up people. I've been meaning to send a
bunch of these to CH701.com but am too busy to get it done.
Brian
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Subject: | Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol |
B-Bye now Jim... I can't believe a fellow Oregonian (and high speed internet
subscriber) would bother making their one and only post to the list a complaint.
Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable size
and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or answer
can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a bit. There
was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then again, there was
a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE ON!
I for one would love to see daily pictures of some of the projects out there.
It seems each of us have different methods and procedures for the same projects.
I'm interested in seeing some of them described. If you've got a better
way to set the solid rivets in a spar, post some pics. If you've got a picture
of your project that you're particularly proud of, please send it out.
I'll follow the list rules because there are a few whiners out there that seem
hell-bent on administrating the list on their own. I wonder if the dial up
guys know the entire list is archived on the Matronics web-site? hmmm, imagine
that, everything you're asking for (no embedded pictures and being able to
chose whether or not to download each post) right at your fingertips. Oh my!
Wait! I almost forgot you already have that! Why on earth would you not filter
your email if you had a dial-up connection?!?!
Do Not Archive (Oh, and please Sir, don't ban me from the list because I choose
to be one of those WITH a clue...)
Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Logajan
Gary Boothe wrote:
> Monty,
>
> I'm pretty much an internet neophyte, so I'm a little confused by your
> vitriol. If you are referring to "runruny@..." I looked up his last two
> posts out of curiosity. One dated 7/20 has a 1MB attachment (not a 13MB),
> and the previous one is minuscule.
It is probable that your ISP filtered out the 13MB message so you never
saw it. Monty is correct in his complaint: "runruny@..." has sent two
extremely large e-mails with picture attachments - one that my e-mail
client (Mozilla Thunderbird) reports as being 1896 KB and the second as
13,508 KB. Sadly, the larger of the two was sent AFTER people
complained. (The photos were well done, at least.)
I have DSL, so normally such large isolated e-mails are not an issue.
But I also travel occasionally to places without high-speed internet and
have had to use dial-up from my laptop in order to keep up with work
stuff. Then those huge e-mails do become a serious problem.
> Yes, maybe 1MB is too large for some, but a better solution to beating him
> with a hickory stick may be to tell him how to downsize his images. After
> all, I don't think being an internet wiz, or a computer guru, qualifies
> anyone to build airplanes.
The "runruny@..." person may be a fine pilot in front of the controls of
a plane, a great builder, and all-around gentleman, but probably
shouldn't be allowed in front of a computer again until he's had his
biennial computing review. ;-) A couple of people have already posted
useful pointers on how to reduce image sizes before they are sent. I'm
not sure what else can be done, short of action by the moderator.
Anyway, this is my first (and possibly last) e-mail to this list. I've
been lurking for a short while to get a feel for the issues Zenith
Zodiac builders encounter, among other things. It's quite an active
list, so to avoid swamping myself I need to unsubscribe before checking
out the next list I'm interested in lurking on (probably the RV-9 list).
Take care all!
Jim Logajan
Dexter, OR
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Subject: | picture brouhaha |
On the other side of the coin, the pics you just sent are so small they
can't be used to see any detail. Blowing them up just gives huge
graininess. There must be some middle ground.
do not archive
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
www.flyinmiata.com <http://www.flyinmiata.com/>
1-800-FLY-MX5S
tech 970-242-3800
________________________________
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy L.
Thwing
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:52 AM
Listers:
When someone sends large photos, I attribute it to inexperience with
images, but I went back and read this email and found the sender
completely capable, but "didn't have time" to reduce the size. It took
this dial-up lister 45 minutes to download, 9.86 mb total. I saved the
pictures, activated my image software, resized the photos in less that
four minutes.
I normally wouldn't respond to something like this, but the attitude
that one's time is more valuable than others goes against the spirit of
this list. I also notice this message was sent direct to Keith as well
as the list. Why wasn't the list message delayed until the sender had
"time" to resize the photos. I have only dial-up which works fine when
simple consideration is shown.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, NV
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
There is something each of us can do to limit this problem. We can
limit the size of message we automatically download. I know this is
possible with my email program, Eudora, and I presume it is a common
setting in most programs.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 09:33 AM 7/21/2006, you wrote:
>I'm not sure what else can be done, short of action by the moderator.
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file |
Hopin' and urgin' and hitting mules on the head with a piece of hickory are
all still legal in this country.
Get a grip, man.
J.D. Motis
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Subject: | Re: 601XL CAD drawings |
I couldn't agree more. I actually stayed up (later than I should have) to
break through a learning curve on Autodesk. At this point, I believe I have
a handle on how to produce the DWG files, but I'm still interested in the
drawings you have produced. When I complete whatever set I tackle, I'll be
glad to reciprocate. That comes from the fact that my work is not
copyrighted!
I knew the first time I did hand plotting on a form block that CAD drawing
was in my future. Do you use CAD for other parts, like horns? I'm thinking
that would have some value.
Thanks for your response.
Larry
On 7/21/06, Tom and Bren Henderson <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
>
> No problem, I'll send a sample file tomorrow. I can export to nearly
> any commercial CAD format (including .DWG) from Solidworks. I was rather
> surprised to see a post from the original draftsman of the XL drawings.
> That's not something I think I would admit to so redily. I would certainly
> not have used the tone with which I took his post.
> The poor guy mentioned the fact that the drawings are copyrighted (I
> believe that was about the only point he had to make). Of course they are!
> The issue here is not that we want electronic copies of the existing,
> protected drawings. Many of us are looking for higher quality, full scale
> drawings for use as templates, references, etc. Would you rather plot fifty
> points on a piece of paper and connect the dots, or click the print button?
> I guess I though it was kind of a no-brainer.
> At any rate, I'll post a file for you tomorrow that will give you an
> idea of whther or not they'll help you out. (One of my own, not an
> illegally reproduced Zenith print! *sheesh!* lol)
>
>
> *Larry Winger <larrywinger@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Thanks for your offer. Because I work in an office with a plotter and
> networked Autodesk stations, I'm going to try to bring in DWG files. If DXF
> can be exported to DWG (or imported on my end), that would be great.
>
> In the meantime, I'm actually learning more about Autodesk in a hurry.
> Who knows, I may be another resource for the next scratch builder who wants
> Autodesk files.
>
> If you are willing to send along one file as a sample, I'll be glad to try
> to convert it.
>
> As usual, the response of the list has been impressive. I hope I can
> reciprocate at some future date.
>
> Larry
>
>
> On 7/20/06, Tom and Bren Henderson <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've got a full set of Solidworks files if you're interested in any
> > of them. (Well, nearly a full set. I'm still working ont he wings). Let
> > me know what you're looking for, and I'll work up some .DXF prints.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *lwinger <larrywinger@gmail.com >* wrote:
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger"
> >
> >
> >
> > Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who
> > would be willing to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts?
> >
> > This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --------
> > Larry Winger
> > Tustin, CA
> > 601XL plan set 6493 in hand
> > Workshop nearly complete
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol |
Yeah, yeah... and it keeps em' busy and off my butt about my drawings!
LOL!
(All said with fun)
Thanks!
Randy
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom and Bren Henderson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol
B-Bye now Jim... I can't believe a fellow Oregonian (and high
speed internet subscriber) would bother making their one and only post
to the list a complaint.
Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of
manageable size and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify
a question or answer can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they
liven up the list a bit. There was a time when the online world was
nothing but text. Then again, there was a time some of us wore bell
bottoms too! It's time to MOVE ON!
I for one would love to see daily pictures of some of the projects
out there. It seems each of us have different methods and procedures
for the same projects. I'm interested in seeing some of them described.
If you've got a better way to set the solid rivets in a spar, post some
pics. If you've got a picture of your project that you're particularly
proud of, please send it out.
I'll follow the list rules because there are a few whiners out
there that seem hell-bent on administrating the list on their own. I
wonder if the dial up guys know the entire list is archived on the
Matronics web-site? hmmm, imagine that, everything you're asking for
(no embedded pictures and being able to chose whether or not to download
each post) right at your fingertips. Oh my! Wait! I almost forgot you
already have that! Why on earth would you not filter your email if you
had a dial-up connection?!?!
Do Not Archive (Oh, and please Sir, don't ban me from the list
because I choose to be one of those WITH a clue...)
Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Logajan
Gary Boothe wrote:
> Monty,
>
> I'm pretty much an internet neophyte, so I'm a little confused by
your
> vitriol. If you are referring to "runruny@..." I looked up his
last two
> posts out of curiosity. One dated 7/20 has a 1MB attachment (not a
13MB),
> and the previous one is minuscule.
It is probable that your ISP filtered out the 13MB message so you
never
saw it. Monty is correct in his complaint: "runruny@..." has sent
two
extremely large e-mails with picture attachments - one that my
e-mail
client (Mozilla Thunderbird) reports as being 1896 KB and the second
as
13,508 KB. Sadly, the larger of the two was sent AFTER people
complained. (The photos were well done, at least.)
I have DSL, so normally such large isolated e-mails are not an
issue.
But I also travel occasionally to places without high-speed internet
and
have had to use dial-up from my laptop in order to keep up with work
stuff. Then those huge e-mails do become a serious problem.
> Yes, maybe 1MB is too large for some, but a better solution to
beating him
> with a hickory stick may be to tell him how to downsize his
images. After
> all, I don't think being an internet wiz, or a computer guru,
qualifies
> anyone to build airplanes.
The "runruny@..." person may be a fine pilot in front of the
controls of
a plane, a great builder, and all-around gentleman, but probably
shouldn't be allowed in front of a computer again until he's had his
biennial computing review. ;-) A couple of people have already
posted
useful pointers on how to reduce image sizes before they are sent.
I'm
not sure what else can be done, short of action by the
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Subject: | Re: picture brouhaha |
Hello Bill:
The tiny pics were there only to prove I went the through the
resizing exercise I claimed I did in my post. During that four minute
exercise, I could have resized them to any usable and easily
transmittable size.
Best Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
On the other side of the coin, the pics you just sent are so small
they can't be used to see any detail. Blowing them up just gives huge
graininess. There must be some middle ground.
do not archive
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
Listers:
I saved the pictures, activated my image software, resized the photos
in less that four minutes.
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Subject: | Cutting Aluminum |
I have tried just about every suggestion on tools and methods of cutting
aluminum, most with success, however I recently used my 4 1/2 inch angle
grinder with great results. I decided to time the results, take pictures
and share with those who are interested. I timed cutting a piece of .025
aluminum sheet, it took exactly 18.6 seconds to cut 32 inches, my son
timed it with a stop watch. I used a 1/16 metal cutting wheel I
purchased at Lowes, it does not load up or distort the aluminum. It does
leave a small burr but that comes off easily, I run it across a belt
sander but I have also have used a deburring tool or sandpaper, I didn't
time the deburring but it was less than the cut off time. The best
method for me was to cut pulling toward me with the guard resting on the
sheet, that way it doesn't bounce or bind. After reading all of the post
on pictures I decided not to post them, I am pretty decent with tools
but lousy with computers and I didn't want to risk adding to the fire. I
hope this helps those who are just getting started.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Corvair Powered
Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: 601XL CAD drawings |
I used Solidworks to fabricate all the parts in the kit. I use it to export
G-Code to our CNC punches. You'd love the way everything goes together right
out of the shop. I haven't worked up drawings on many of the parts though.
Generally I just create a solid model and export from that.
Larry Winger <larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote: I couldn't agree more. I actually
stayed up (later than I should have) to break through a learning curve on Autodesk.
At this point, I believe I have a handle on how to produce the DWG files,
but I'm still interested in the drawings you have produced. When I complete
whatever set I tackle, I'll be glad to reciprocate. That comes from the fact
that my work is not copyrighted!
I knew the first time I did hand plotting on a form block that CAD drawing was
in my future. Do you use CAD for other parts, like horns? I'm thinking that
would have some value.
Thanks for your response.
Larry
On 7/21/06, Tom and Bren Henderson <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote: No
problem, I'll send a sample file tomorrow. I can export to nearly any commercial
CAD format (including .DWG) from Solidworks. I was rather surprised to
see a post from the original draftsman of the XL drawings. That's not something
I think I would admit to so redily. I would certainly not have used the tone
with which I took his post.
The poor guy mentioned the fact that the drawings are copyrighted (I believe
that was about the only point he had to make). Of course they are! The issue
here is not that we want electronic copies of the existing, protected drawings.
Many of us are looking for higher quality, full scale drawings for use
as templates, references, etc. Would you rather plot fifty points on a piece
of paper and connect the dots, or click the print button? I guess I though it
was kind of a no-brainer.
At any rate, I'll post a file for you tomorrow that will give you an idea of
whther or not they'll help you out. (One of my own, not an illegally reproduced
Zenith print! *sheesh!* lol)
Larry Winger < larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for your offer. Because I work in an office with a plotter and networked
Autodesk stations, I'm going to try to bring in DWG files. If DXF can be
exported to DWG (or imported on my end), that would be great.
In the meantime, I'm actually learning more about Autodesk in a hurry. Who knows,
I may be another resource for the next scratch builder who wants Autodesk
files.
If you are willing to send along one file as a sample, I'll be glad to try to
convert it.
As usual, the response of the list has been impressive. I hope I can reciprocate
at some future date.
Larry
On 7/20/06, Tom and Bren Henderson < admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
I've got a full set of Solidworks files if you're interested in any of them.
(Well, nearly a full set. I'm still working ont he wings). Let me know what
you're looking for, and I'll work up some .DXF prints.
lwinger < larrywinger@gmail.com > wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger"
Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who would be willing
to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts?
This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks.
Thanks.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL plan set 6493 in hand
Workshop nearly complete
Read this topic online
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Subject: | Today's picture <35 KB |
see attached picture
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file |
Bill- AMEN- Way to go!! I cannot remember in the almost 5 years I've
been on this list, any more idiotic bashing than has erupted on this
list in the past few months. I even had some jerk contact me off list
and quote one of the rules because I said thank you to someone who had
helped me with a problem I had. I didn't respond and just considered it
a new guy with nothing else worthwhile to say. Now we have Monty.
Probably related to the jerk I mentioned. Anyway, lets get back to
building and helping each other and cut the crap!.
Al Young
601XL Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a
1 MG file
Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In
Georgia the communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist
Threats and Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was
done over the Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts
could be a Federal charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to
anyone on this list for any reason should result in immediate call to
the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is
and where he lives? I will be glad to make the call.
Bill Phillips,
Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file |
Al, man do I ever agree with you !! Some folks never got out of high school.
Hope you and your family are doing well. Best regards, Bill
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Subject: | Re: 601XL CAD drawings |
Hey Tom:
How about some pictures of the CNC punch knocking out some ZA parts?
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL CAD drawings
I used Solidworks to fabricate all the parts in the kit. I use it
to export G-Code to our CNC punches.
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Subject: | Re: Designer approval |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Unless you specifically point it out to the inspector I don't think 99% of them
would know if you made even a major change in the design. They are not inspecting
the design of your plane (at least in the US), and most will not even look
at your drawings. They are ensuring that you built it within the scope of the
amateur built category and that the general construction practices meet the
standards for acceptable methods and techniques. There is no requirement for Zenair
to do the type of structural testing that some have mentioned, let alone
any requirement for a builder who modifies the design to do so. With that said,
I am not advocating making modifications to the design as I happen to believe
that CH is a pretty brilliant man when it comes to aircraft design and I built
my plane strictly by the plans. It's not perfect, no design is. However,
I don't think most of us have the knowledge or experience to fully comprehend
why he did things the way he did, nor to what extent our proposed modifications
will effect the structure and flying characteristics of the aircraft as a whole.
It would be smart to consult Zenair when considering making major changes,
but it is not required and I doubt they would officially sign off on anything
more extensive than fixing a cracked skin or an incorrectly drilled part anyway.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49115#49115
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Subject: | Re: Today's picture <35 KB |
Nice looking 601! Is it yours?
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Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com> wrote: see attached picture
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
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Subject: | Re: Cutting Aluminum |
Come on Clyde, post the pics, just resize them to 300 or 400 pixels
wide. If there are a few of them, send them in separate messages to
space them out. I'd like to see your setup.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
Subject: Zenith-List: Cutting Aluminum
After reading all of the post on pictures I decided not to post them,
I am pretty decent with tools but lousy with computers and I didn't want
to risk adding to the fire. I hope this helps those who are just getting
started.
Clyde Barcus
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
> I say ban anyone who does not use a broadband connection, smokes, and
uses the wrong color of Scotchbrite pad (this specific combination
only). Not sure where I stand on the bagpipes yet.
Doug Sire
601XL - kit here but can't remember where I put it.
Do not archive and do knot archive too.
Hopin' and urgin' and hitting mules on the head with a piece of hickory
> are
> all still legal in this country.
> Get a grip, man.
>
> J.D. Motis
> do not archive
>
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Subject: | Cutting Aluminum |
Wow this would make a lot of dust.
Mind you I use a HF 6" chop saw with aluminium oxide wheels for cutting
bar stock and angle. The thing is lighting quick and you cut a LOT of
this stuff on the RV kits. $34 on sale,....Well worth it.
Frank
________________________________
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde
Barcus
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:27 AM
I have tried just about every suggestion on tools and methods of cutting
aluminum, most with success, however I recently used my 4 1/2 inch angle
grinder with great results. I decided to time the results, take pictures
and share with those who are interested. I timed cutting a piece of .025
aluminum sheet, it took exactly 18.6 seconds to cut 32 inches, my son
timed it with a stop watch. I used a 1/16 metal cutting wheel I
purchased at Lowes, it does not load up or distort the aluminum. It does
leave a small burr but that comes off easily, I run it across a belt
sander but I have also have used a deburring tool or sandpaper, I didn't
time the deburring but it was less than the cut off time. The best
method for me was to cut pulling toward me with the guard resting on the
sheet, that way it doesn't bounce or bind. After reading all of the post
on pictures I decided not to post them, I am pretty decent with tools
but lousy with computers and I didn't want to risk adding to the fire. I
hope this helps those who are just getting started.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Corvair Powered
Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol |
Here's a possible solution for dial up folks:
Change your subscription to the "Zenith List Digest." You will get one
email each day with all the text, but no pictures. It's actually easier to
read than the constant stream of emails.... You can just skip over these
"non-contributing" posts.
(There. I said I wouldn't respond to this, but I did....)
Tommy Walker in Alabama
dO nOt ArChIvE
;)
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom and Bren
Henderson
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:11 PM
major snip...............
B-Bye now Jim... I can't believe a fellow Oregonian (and high speed
internet subscriber) would bother making their one and only post to the list
a complaint.
Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable
size and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or
answer can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a
bit. There was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then
again, there was a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE
ON!
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Subject: | Where's the prop go? |
Bet you don't have one of these..
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Subject: | Re: Cutting Aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Does this make a lot of noise?
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
--- Clyde Barcus <barcusc@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have tried just about every suggestion on tools
> and methods of cutting aluminum, most with success,
> however I recently used my 4 1/2 inch angle grinder
> with great results. I decided to time the results,
> take pictures and share with those who are
> interested. I timed cutting a piece of .025 aluminum
> sheet, it took exactly 18.6 seconds to cut 32
> inches, my son timed it with a stop watch. I used a
> 1/16 metal cutting wheel I purchased at Lowes, it
> does not load up or distort the aluminum. It does
> leave a small burr but that comes off easily, I run
> it across a belt sander but I have also have used a
> deburring tool or sandpaper, I didn't time the
> deburring but it was less than the cut off time. The
> best method for me was to cut pulling toward me with
> the guard resting on the sheet, that way it doesn't
> bounce or bind. After reading all of the post on
> pictures I decided not to post them, I am pretty
> decent with tools but lousy with computers and I
> didn't want to risk adding to the fire. I hope this
> helps those who are just getting started.
>
>
> Clyde Barcus
> 601 XL, Corvair Powered
> Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
> Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol |
In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
twalker@cableone.net writes:
Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable size
and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or answer
can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a bit. There
was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then again, there
was a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE ON!
Here is one for you
Bob Spudis
N701ZX 62hrs
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Subject: | Re: Where da prop? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
That's a nice scooter.
Should I post my 14+ meg photo of the Goodrich Blimp?
Regards to all,
Zed
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Subject: | XL baggage floor |
I don't recall anyone mentioning a problem handling the baggage floor skin
(XL). It's giving me fits! I can't get it in or out without bowing it and
risking a bend. I've had it out three or four times already and I know there is
more to come. I've decided to take some rather drastic action (which I have
cleared with Caleb at ZAC) to make handling easier and less risky. First, I am
going to cut the rear edge even with the front of the bulkhead and add an L
angle to the face of the bulkhead to support it. Then, I am going to split it
down the middle. I will have a 10 mm gap to facilitate smooth cuts to both
edges. I will make an .025" connector, 50 mm wide to go on top of the split.
I
will probably go ahead and rivet the connector to one side so I don't have to
mess with clecoing both sides every time. Anyone see any big problems with
this?
Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
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Subject: | So long, farewell |
Hi guys,
I have been on this list for some 7 years and have enjoyed reading and
sharing my experiences where I can. The trouble is I am getting WAY to
mch email and with the recent addition of pictures I have a concern that
I may start appearing on the hit list of my company's "bad boy" email
list.
As many of you know I have now sold the HDS and am nearing the
completion of an RV7a. This meant another bunch of lists and groups to
join and, well, something has to go.
I wish you all fun with your projects and a number of you who need my
input have my email address on file. If you need my input feel free to
drop me a note.
Cheers and best reagrds
Frank
HDS 400 hours...Sold and mmoving on.
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Subject: | RE: Z,enith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... |
lol
Bob
That's a good picture of a pretty (to a 701 builder) plane.
Could you give us an update on your testing phase?
Thanks,
Tommy Walker
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
NYTerminat@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 4:12 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol
In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
twalker@cableone.net writes:
Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable
size and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or
answer can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a
bit. There was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then
again, there was a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE
ON!
Here is one for you
Bob Spudis
N701ZX 62hrs
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Subject: | Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol |
Absolutely beautiful aircraft Bob! Any idea what brand of paint was used?
NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern
Daylight Time, twalker@cableone.net writes:
Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable size
and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or answer
can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a bit.
There was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then again,
there was a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE ON!
Here is one for you
Bob Spudis
N701ZX 62hrs
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file |
Ladies and Gentleman
No matter which on line list you are on there are going to be a few
people who find fault with everything they read. I have no idea why
this is but I found this with the KRNet so I was not supprised to find
it here.
On line exchanging of ideas and how to do it by a builder further
along is priceless so lets just put up with the bitchers. We all have a
delete key which can and should be used each and every time one of these
people post a message flaming someone.
If you see some advice that you know for sure is not good advice or
might even be dangerous, send a message to the sender of that message
explaining why you think he is wrong but be nice about it and do it off
net. You can highlilght the senders name in the FROM part of his
message with your left mouse key and then click on it with the right
key, go to properties, click on it and you will see the senders e-mail
address.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
Zodiac XL (Not too far along)
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Young
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a
1 MG file
Bill- AMEN- Way to go!! I cannot remember in the almost 5 years
I've been on this list, any more idiotic bashing than has erupted on
this list in the past few months. I even had some jerk contact me off
list and quote one of the rules because I said thank you to someone who
had helped me with a problem I had. I didn't respond and just
considered it a new guy with nothing else worthwhile to say. Now we have
Monty. Probably related to the jerk I mentioned. Anyway, lets get back
to building and helping each other and cut the crap!.
Al Young
601XL Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends
a 1 MG file
Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In
Georgia the communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist
Threats and Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was
done over the Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts
could be a Federal charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to
anyone on this list for any reason should result in immediate call to
the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is
and where he lives? I will be glad to make the call.
Bill Phillips,
Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL
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Subject: | Re: Today's picture <35 KB |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
No, it is not mine.
Actually, the owner would be surprised to see those fairings on the wheels: they
exist only in
that picture, which I altered to see if they would look good.
They do, but I think they would not be practical, specialy the nose gear.
Carlos
CH601-HD, assembling wings.
--- Tom and Bren Henderson <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> a crit :
> Nice looking 601! Is it yours?
>
> Do Not Archive
>
__________________________________________________________
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Subject: | Re: 601XL Build Time |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phyrcooler" <phyrcooler@hotmail.com>
steveadams wrote:
> Comparing build times from different builders is really of little value because
everybody compiles their times differently and with varied diligence. .
You bring up many valuable points. A person with great skills may whip out a kit
in 400 hours, and have done a beautiful job. My brother is so talented with
his hands - he'd probably be one to do so. Conversely, some folks spend so
much time overanalyzing things - and coupled with their lack of skills - may take
2000 hours and 5 years to put out a crude product.
However, my reason for asking hours - and not years, and to also listen to folks'
build experiences, is to try to read between the lines on this and other models
and get a sense of the product and its relative build time. I am looking
at the various kit build options, both LSA and "standard" experimental aircraft,
and trying to get a good sense of how much elephant I am willing to commit
to. I have learned that some are much bigger elephants than others. And while
you eat an elephant one bite at a time... if I can find a junior sized one
that meets all my other needs/criterion - than that will be my first kit.
Again - thanks to all of you who have provided feedback. I know that I and many
others who lurk these posts appreciate you taking the time to share your experiences.
dj
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49163#49163
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Mr. William D. Phillips
118 Chriswood Dr
Forshyth, GA 31029
Dear Sir,
Sorry my recent email exchange has caused you to think that I am a
Terrorist Threat.
If you sincerely believe that I am a Terrorist or a serious threat to ANY
mailing list member. I would hope that you would include this email and
my previous 2 posts to the Matronics Zenith Email list........with your
letter to the FBI so that they may determine the extent of my perceived
threats.
Mr Dralle, the owner of the Zenith list, has asked us to police ourselves
over sending attachments. If these large attachments continue to be
sent, the option will be removed. Matt has already said that....... He
has no desire to store at his own expense, these huge files, anymore than
the majority of the list wants to see an image of this size.......
Over the last few weeks several folks, including myself have nicely and
politely asked that this shouldn't be done, and offered help and resources
to help those that need help..... unfortunately some are slow catching on.
My tongue in cheek rudeness and language was an intentional attempt on my
part to start a flame war, and draw attention to the problem......... And
it seems to have worked. While I personally am more than able to filter,
handle, delete, and download large file sizes. What about the other older
less experienced gentlemen, that can't handle the larger file sizes.....
The ones that don't speak up.... The ones that lurk and answer questions
off list, but never on list. ............ Their only option becomes to
leave the list....... Do we want to loose that valuable builder
resource, because a few snobbish inconsiderate list members live in a
location and are able to afford high speed internet........... Do we let
them go ahead and upload a large file, just because they can, just to
irritate the dial up guys that complain.........
I personally don't think we do......
If I insulted some of you..... GOOD I meant too. At least It got every
ones attention...... Because if folks continue to send 1MB files and larger
to the list... The golden egg is going to get thrown out and we will be
back where we were........... without pictures.......
Myself or any number of folks would be very very happy to help anyone learn
how to resize an image.......all you have to do is ask...
Monty GRAVES
68 Brushy Fork RD
Iberia, MO 65486
573-369-2973
B.S University of Missouri 1978
MBA University of Missouri 1983
I am also the list owner of the Yahoo 701builders email list
And scratch building a 701
Do not archive
At 12:32 PM 7/21/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In Georgia
>the communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist Threats
>and Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was done over
>the Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts could be a
>Federal charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to anyone on this
>list for any reason should result in immediate call to the FBI or U.S.
>Attorney's office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is and where he
>lives? I will be glad to make the call.
>Bill Phillips,
>Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL
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Subject: | Re: Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder |
Hopefully the attached picture will help with the dimensions.
Josh
601XL Wings
>
> If you are a kit builder of a 601XL, could you measure
> the width of your wing-root seal rubber for me? I'm
> about to order some and I want to make sure it is the
> right width. An Aircraft Spruce or Wicks part number
> would be ideal but if you can measure yours and give
> me the width I can find it.
>
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a |
In a message dated 7/21/2006 3:39:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mgraves@usmo.com writes:
Monty GRAVES
68 Brushy Fork RD
Iberia, MO 65486
573-369-2973
Well, you sure sound like a trrrrrst to me. I'll bet you drink lite beer
too. Hmmmmmmm...
J.D. Motis
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Where da prop? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@shadycreekoutlaws.com>
Yeah, go ahead... I'll pass around my 102Mb TEXT FILE... Yep, I got one, I
had to create one for a software development project I had about a year
ago...
Thanks!
Randy
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:22 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> That's a nice scooter.
> Should I post my 14+ meg photo of the Goodrich Blimp?
>
> Regards to all,
>
> Zed
> do not archive
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a |
:
At 12:32 PM 7/21/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In Georgia
>the communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist Threats
>and Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was done over
>the Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts could be a
>Federal charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to anyone on this
>list for any reason should result in immediate call to the FBI or U.S.
>Attorney's office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is and where he
>lives? I will be glad to make the call.
>Bill Phillips,
>Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL
My earlier "Get a grip" comment was directed at you, Sir. I did not realize
it was not addressed to you in the E mail. And if I need advice on any subject
excluding overbearing personalities, it will be from others than yourself.
Now please, put the nail clippers down sir!.
J.D. Motis
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time |
Very easy Robert. I just downloaded the program from:
http://www.axiomx.com/picsizer.htm
I unzipped and installed it and I can reduce the size of a pic very
easy. It's user's friendly.
Hope this helps
Jean-Paul Roy
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time
Tom & Bren Henderson,
Thanks for the support. As I have said before if anyone can
instruct me as to how to reduce a picture, I will do so. I can well
understand how those people with a telephone modum wait a long time for
a large picture to download. This is the main reason I got Road Runner
for a server. Everything comes on screen lighting fast.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom and Bren Henderson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build
Time
You did nothing wrong Robert. Keep the pics coming. I can
understand the reasoning behind not sending large files, but yours
wasn't even 36K (and it was actually from an earlier post). You know
the saying, "A picture is worth a thousand words." In the Zenith list,
a picture can answer just as many questions. Sorry dial up guys, but we
need content to keep this list interesting, informative, and time
worthy.
"Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone"
I went to the web site and saw nothing about attachments.
Visit this URL to register: http://forums.matronics.com//index.php
The attachments were not mine, they were sent with the original
message that I was responding to and allowed on the Matronics
Email Lists
forum. Please explaine in detail, what I did wrong.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:10 PM
> The following message from "Robert L. Stone" was not
> authorized for entry in the Matronics Email Lists forum.
>
> Reason: There were problems with the attachments [Attachment
must have a
> filename to be saved to a forum.]
>
>
> Visit this URL to register:
http://forums.matronics.com//index.php
>
> From: "Robert L. Stone"
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time
> ****************************************
>
> Those parts look beautiful. What is a CNC machine? If ZAC does
not
> use a machine of some kind like this CNC machine, what do they
use?
>
> Bob Stone, Harker Heights,
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Subject: | Re: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) |
I'm sitting in my airplane checking email (wireless,
high speed, yada yada) and my daughter caught me and
took this picture. It sure is comfy in here. I think
I'll stay here and dream for a while.
Scott Laughlin
601XL
Omaha, Nebraska (71 and Sunny)
Finishing up the Canopy
--- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> twalker@cableone.net writes:
>
> Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were
> all of manageable size
> and appear to be well taken.
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Subject: | Ban (Here is my picture of the day) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
OK, Scott! That's about enough dreamin' - back to work!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
I'm sitting in my airplane checking email (wireless,
high speed, yada yada) and my daughter caught me and
took this picture. It sure is comfy in here. I think
I'll stay here and dream for a while.
Scott Laughlin
601XL
Omaha, Nebraska (71 and Sunny)
Finishing up the Canopy
--- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> twalker@cableone.net writes:
>
> Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were
> all of manageable size
> and appear to be well taken.
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Subject: | Re: Ban them from the list+CAD |
Tom-
Nice job with Solidworks. I also have it but did my rib lofts in
AutoCad since I don't have access to CNC machinery- just snips and
files. Still beat the hell out of connecting dots with a French curve!
The only time I drew in 3D was for the wing tip cut contours. XL
builders get plans that give them a coordinate grid to plot out the cut,
and can't figure out why it doesn't work. My plot didn't work for my
HDS, either
I finally concluded that's because of the 2mm general
tolerance.Without fixed build jigs, your individual parts can be SR-71
quality, but every project is going to be unique.
Don't think CNC cut parts are a panacea. From painful experience,
I'd say concentrate on making sure your construction set-up is exact and
don't worry about the perfection of individual parts. Cut things a
couple of mm oversize and use a file and a little elbow grease to make
them fit.
Garangers are just like projects- the last 1% takes forever!
(@#$$%^&* trim!) Hope to be back on the project by next weekend.
Bill Naumuk
40%HDS being relocated to new shop
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom and Bren Henderson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol
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Subject: | Re: Do Not Archive.....etc..... |
Tom,
That was an arrogant statement.
Do not archive
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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Subject: | Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time |
Tom, Bob,
I'm not suggesting anything wrong was done. But pics of greater than 1
meg are a pain in the petush to dial up members. Just asking that they
be kept to a minimum. It isn't too difficult to change the digital
camera to use the lower number and I don't think pic definition is a
problem for what we are doing to help each other.
Cheers
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
> I am also the list owner of the Yahoo 701builders email list
>
Yer also an A-hole
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Guys,
Sorry about the Images sent last night, nothing malicious was intended, the
13MB was a zip file of pictures only meant for Keith off list, some how I got
my write mail windows mixed up
and it went to the list and Keith. I have taken the advice of Rich Hartwig
and installed the
microsoft program to quickly shrink and resave the pics. No excuses, I
screwed up and it won't happen again. Of all places I found the link for the
program in the guidelines set up by Matt for the list.
I have to say thanks to all who are understanding and forgiving of a screwup
like this.
I've been posting to the list since 2002 and received help from just about
all of you from all
over the world for my project, even obtaining custom parts to make it that
much better. I went from asking lots of questions to trying to give help to who
needs it, as I got into the later building stages. I do feel like I know
many of you but have never met any of you. I always
look forward to checking posts on this list. Anyway, if you are lurking on
this list and have
some good advice or a great pic don't hesitate to share it. The ability to
attach pics of your
work instead of posting them on a photoshare is a leap forward for this
list. I'll make sure
it will get done right from now on.
Brian
Long Island, NY 701 90%
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Subject: | Re: RE: Glide Ratio power off-an experiment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
There has been so much chatter about banning folks that nobody
has commented on my experiment.
Chuck D.
N701TX
do not archive
>
> I decided to experiment with a small propeller and a fan.
>
> With the fan blowing straight up I put a freewheeling prop on a stiff wire
> held vertically, with the prop spinning it rose up the wire.
>
> I stopped the prop from spinning with a thread taped to the end of one
> blade and placed it over the fan. It did not rise as high as when
spinning.
>
> This tells me the of the non-spinning prop takes more wind speed (closer
to
> the fan) to support the prop's weight due to less drag. The spinning prop
> was supported with less wind (farther from the fan) due to the higher
drag.
>
> Remember:
> the force of drag = 1/2 *Cd* air density * Vsrqd * area. Since the force
is
> equal to the propeller weight in both cases but the velocity of the air is
> less for the spinning prop either the Cd went up or the area increased
which
> means the total drag is higher to be supported by the slower wind.
>
> Also in my 701 at idle and 50 mph, my descent rate was about 715 fpm for a
> glide ratio of about 6 to 1. Which means at an altitude of 1000 feet you
> have about a mile and a little over a minute to figure out what to do.
>
> Chuck D.
> N701TX
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Subject: | Re: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) |
Here's my daily pic... I've waited and worked quite a while to be able to
take this pic...
Thanks!
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 7:18 PM
> I'm sitting in my airplane checking email (wireless,
> high speed, yada yada) and my daughter caught me and
> took this picture. It sure is comfy in here. I think
> I'll stay here and dream for a while.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> 601XL
> Omaha, Nebraska (71 and Sunny)
> Finishing up the Canopy
>
> --- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern
>> Daylight Time,
>> twalker@cableone.net writes:
>>
>> Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were
>> all of manageable size
>> and appear to be well taken.
>
> __________________________________________________
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Subject: | Re: Cutting Aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
I don't think it is extreme but I do wear earplugs, an earlier post
mentioned dust and he is right. Anytime you use a cutoff wheel there is dust
but you are using a 1/16 wide wheel so it is not terrible. That is the
downside, the upside, very fast with no distortion and easy to deburr. I
plan on posting pictures tomorrow after my son-in-law shows me how. I check
the pictures a little while ago and they are big.
Clyde Barcus
601XL
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:06 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
>
> Does this make a lot of noise?
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
>
> --- Clyde Barcus <barcusc@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I have tried just about every suggestion on tools
>> and methods of cutting aluminum, most with success,
>> however I recently used my 4 1/2 inch angle grinder
>> with great results. I decided to time the results,
>> take pictures and share with those who are
>> interested. I timed cutting a piece of .025 aluminum
>> sheet, it took exactly 18.6 seconds to cut 32
>> inches, my son timed it with a stop watch. I used a
>> 1/16 metal cutting wheel I purchased at Lowes, it
>> does not load up or distort the aluminum. It does
>> leave a small burr but that comes off easily, I run
>> it across a belt sander but I have also have used a
>> deburring tool or sandpaper, I didn't time the
>> deburring but it was less than the cut off time. The
>> best method for me was to cut pulling toward me with
>> the guard resting on the sheet, that way it doesn't
>> bounce or bind. After reading all of the post on
>> pictures I decided not to post them, I am pretty
>> decent with tools but lousy with computers and I
>> didn't want to risk adding to the fire. I hope this
>> helps those who are just getting started.
>>
>>
>> Clyde Barcus
>> 601 XL, Corvair Powered
>> Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
>> Working on Fuselage
>
>
>
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Subject: | Designer approval |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
In the end it is the builder and his/her passengers who will live or die
with the results of changes and let's not forget the poor folks who might be
on the ground too.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Paul Mulwitz
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:35 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Designer approval
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> In the end it is the builder who will live or die with the results of
> changes. I guess that means it is optional to seek approval, but
> prudent in some cases.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Thank you Josh. That is exactly what I needed. I
ordered the trim from ZAC and I'm glad I did since the
A/S stuff was different.
Thanks again,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Still dreamin.
--- Josh <dvoverdt@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hopefully the attached picture will help with the
> dimensions.
>
> Josh
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Subject: | Re: XL baggage floor |
I THINK YOU ARE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS. YOU WILL BE PUTTING IT IN AND OUT MANY
MORE TIMES, BUT I BELIEVE THERE IS VERY LITTLE CHANCE YOU WILL BEND IT. JUST BE
A LITTLE CAREFUL.
DO NOT ARCHIEVE.
CHARLES
-------------- Original message --------------
I don't recall anyone mentioning a problem handling the baggage floor skin (XL).
It's giving me fits! I can't get it in or out without bowing it and risking
a bend. I've had it out three or four times already and I know there is more
to come. I've decided to take some rather drastic action (which I have cleared
with Caleb at ZAC) to make handling easier and less risky. First, I am going
to cut the rear edge even with the front of the bulkhead and add an L angle
to the face of the bulkhead to support it. Then, I am going to split it down
the middle. I will have a 10 mm gap to facilitate smooth cuts to both edges.
I will make an .025" connector, 50 mm wide to go on top of the split. I will
probably go ahead and rivet the connector to one side so I don't have to mess
with clecoing both sides every time. Anyone see any big problems with this?
Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
<html><body>
<DIV>I THINK YOU ARE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS. YOU WILL BE PUTTING IT IN AND OUT
MANY MORE TIMES, BUT I BELIEVE THERE IS VERY LITTLE CHANCE YOU WILL BEND IT. JUST
BE A LITTLE CAREFUL.</DIV>
<DIV>DO NOT ARCHIEVE.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>CHARLES</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Jaybannist@cs.com
<BR><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
PTSIZE="10">I don't recall anyone mentioning a problem handling the baggage
floor skin (XL). It's giving me fits! I can't get it in or
out without bowing it and risking a bend. I've had it out three or four
times already and I know there is more to come. I've decided to take some
rather drastic action (which I have cleared with Caleb at ZAC) to make handling
easier and less risky. First, I am going to cut the rear edge even with
the front of the bulkhead and add an L angle to the face of the bulkhead to
support it. Then, I am going to split it down the middle. I will
have a 10 mm gap to facilitate smooth cuts to both edges. I will make an
.025" connector, 50 mm wide to go on top of the spl
it.&nb
sp; I will probably go ahead and rivet the connector to one side so I don't have
to mess with clecoing both sides every time. Anyone see any big problems
with this?<BR><BR>Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></body></html>
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Subject: | Batteries and dynon update |
My recommendation for what it is worth is to have a generator that is
capable of powering everything on your plane turned on at once using no
more
than 80 % of the generator output. If you install a load meter ( an
ammeter
that reads the draw on the entire system ) then you can raise that
figure to
100% and still be safe.
The battery is another quintal of fish! It should be large enough to
allow
several attempts at starting the engine. Nothing like trying to hand
prop a
flooded engine!
Ok.... Generator to carry the load and battery to power the starter.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Mulwitz
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:19 AM
Hi Brian,
That is a beautiful instrument panel.
I don't think the battery size should be determined by the type of
flying
you are doing. That should be considered when sizing the generator.
The
Generator should be big enough to keep the battery charged, recharge it
after starting the engine, and power all the gizmos you will use at one
time.
I think the primary consideration for the battery is how much cranking
power
you need to start your engine. This could vary considerably from one
engine
to another and would also be impacted by the type of systems you have on
the
engine like carburetor vs. fuel injection. It would also vary
considerably
by the outside air temperatures you want to start your plane in. If you
will keep your plane in tropical climates you need a smaller battery
than if
you live at the arctic circle.
Perhaps the best way to start choosing a battery is talk to other owners
of
similar engines located near you and copy their choices.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 03:38 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote:
Anyone have a dynon product, I have a D10A in my 701.For those
interested.
There is a new firmware update just out July 10th that enables the AOA
tone
to headset and has a full screen DG that keeps all the numbers right
side
up.Many other improvements also.
I just powered up the completed Aerolectric Connection designed
electrical
system and its
looking good!! I'm using a power supply on the battery terminals.
Looking
at batteries at
B&C and wondering about Amp hours. Whats reasonable for VFR only. Id
like to
keep the weight and size of the battery on the low end. Maybe a local
night
flight not very often, mostly daytime. Any battery install pics in the
back
seat of a 701 helpful.
I have a rotax 912 with the 20 Amp alternator.
I've attached a pic of panel, hopefully seen at
http://www.matronics.com/forums
Lettering has been done with rub on letters and numbers from tower
hobbies.
Base paint is grey rustoleum glossy, letters applied and then applied a
rustoleum flat clear coat. Used blue painters tape to line up letters
and
numbers to keep straight. It took alot of time but looks like a military
style panel.
This is posted to Aeroelectric List and Zenith list.
Brian
Zenith CH-701
Long Island, NY
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Randy,
Nice picture.
Do you have stiffeners on all the rear ribs? On mine the "L"
stiffeners just go on the walkway near the cabin.
Paul
XL Fuselage
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a |
In a message dated 7/21/2006 5:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
> I am also the list owner of the Yahoo 701 builders email list
>
Yer also an A-hole
Then you are Vulgar. Oh God please make it stop....the 5th grade is still a
painful memory... and this silly crap on a site about building EXPERIMENTAL
AIRCRAFT is really testing my patience. Delete is a wonderful tool but one
could hope that this group could consider itself a wee bit higher on the scale
if not for any thing else than the subject matter at hand.
Thank you
J.D. Motis
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Batteries and dynon update |
"Sorry about the size of these but I don't have time to shrink them right now,
especially to dial up people."
And Brian, where am I supposed to find the time to download 13508 KB of crap and
have my mailbox go 143% over its limit?
Very inconsiderate, to say the least.
Cliff
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Subject: | Re: RE: 701 testing phase |
Tom,
Thanks, I am well pleased the way it turned out. As far as my testing, the
only problems that I had were as following:
1. Had a heavy left wing..... corrected it by moving the bungee that keeps
the elevator cables separated, the bungee was pulling on the stick.
2. My Stratomaster engine monitor would not read the correct
RPM.........Sent back to Stratomaster, they sent a new one with the same results.
Called up
Matt and he said he would work on it with the factory, After a while they
sent out another replacement with excellent results. There was some software
problems which they corrected. They were very good to work with. My
reccomendation is always check the Tach against an optical Tach.
3. My oil temps were hard to keep above 185 degrees during cold
weather.....covered almost the entire oil cooler which also blocked the airflow
to the
heater muff. Installed an oil thermostat from Lockwood. Now the engine heats
up quicker and I do not need any tape across my oil cooler.
4. Per Roger at Zenith I bent the trailing edge of my elevator so that it is
in line with the centerline of the elevator. The bend was used for the
lighter 60 HP Rotax. Now my trim tab stays in the middle during cruise.
As far as numbers, I am only seeing about 80 MPH at 5500. This plane likes
to fly at 70 MPH, pouring on the throttle only gains another 10 MPH. These are
indicated airspeeds and from what my GPS says it seems to be fairly correct.
I haven't had too many no wind days to try the GPS runs. I have a static port
and from what I have read on the list if I use the cabin pressure for my
static pressure, the airspped will read higher. I am looking into strut
fairings and wheel pants to see if they help. Might also change my landing gear
leaf
to the carbon fiber one to save some weight. I added lots of "small goodies"
and am paying for it in weight.
I am having a real blast with the plane, haven't really checked the GPH that
the Rotax burns but it isn't much. Never before have I flown any other plane
and been able to really see what is on the ground below me. It is a totally
different type of flying.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX CH701/912S
do not archive
In a message dated 7/21/2006 5:35:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
twalker@cableone.net writes:
Bob
That's a good picture of a pretty (to a 701 builder) plane.
Could you give us an update on your testing phase?
Thanks,
Tommy Walker
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Subject: | Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file |
A great way to scare the S#$%& out of a fellow. Sic a legal beagle (or
is
that legal eagle) on him!!! If, and that's a big If, you were to take
Monty
seriously than its a sad comment that we all need legislation to protect
ourselves from his type.
Seriously though I think he was just blowing off steam so we have to
either
take him with a grain of salt or.... arrest everyone on sight. That way
you
will be sure to get the kooks.
P.S. I was once threatened with action by the FBI for asking about the
constituents of C4 explosive. I was open about the fact that I wasn't
interested in the processes or the quantities involved. In fact it was
an
assignment for a chemistry course I was doing at the time.
I still think the U.S. is a reasonably free country in a world that is
sitting on keg with a short fuse but.... if you can be threatened by a
foreign federal police agency for asking questions in an open forum
then,
those same federal agents need to go back to school and learn about the
freedom their country was built on. The other thing is if the person
who
sicced the FBI on me had told me that C4 was compound of shaving cream
and 3
in 1 oil I would have believed him.
I did eventually find the constituents of C4 and I won't recommend to
any
one to try and make any. The constituents alone are just too dangerous
before being compounded.
Please do not archive
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:02 PM
MG
file
Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In Georgia
the
communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist Threats and
Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was done over
the
Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts could be a Federal
charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to anyone on this list
for
any reason should result in immediate call to the FBI or U.S. Attorney's
office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is and where he lives? I will
be
glad to make the call.
Bill Phillips,
Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL
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Subject: | Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol |
Thanks, I used Kirker brand Ultra-Glo- Acrylic Urethane with a clear coat.
_www.smartshoppersinc.com_ (http://www.smartshoppersinc.com)
In a message dated 7/21/2006 5:50:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
admin@arachnidrobotics.com writes:
Absolutely beautiful aircraft Bob! Any idea what brand of paint was used?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
LOL!
I like the pipes...Scotch brite colours is something else.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sire
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:21 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE
> that sends a 1 MG
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>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" <dsire@imt.net>
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> > I say ban anyone who does not use a broadband connection,
> smokes, and
> uses the wrong color of Scotchbrite pad (this specific combination
> only). Not sure where I stand on the bagpipes yet.
>
> Doug Sire
> 601XL - kit here but can't remember where I put it.
> Do not archive and do knot archive too.
>
> Hopin' and urgin' and hitting mules on the head with a piece
> of hickory
> > are
> > all still legal in this country.
> > Get a grip, man.
> >
> > J.D. Motis
> > do not archive
> >
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Subject: | Where's the prop go? |
That could make it to the Monster Garage!!!
Jesse James would be amazed!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 6:28 PM
Bet you don't have one of these..
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Subject: | Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a |
What are you guys going to do??? Flog Monty severely with a wet codfish or
take up lite beer?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Joemotis@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:27 PM
In a message dated 7/21/2006 3:39:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mgraves@usmo.com writes:
Monty GRAVES
68 Brushy Fork RD
Iberia, MO 65486
573-369-2973
Well, you sure sound like a trrrrrst to me. I'll bet you drink lite beer
too. Hmmmmmmm...
J.D. Motis
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Subject: | Re: Sensenich wood prop |
Randy,
Do a search on William Wynne's site or call him (flycorvair.com). He has
done some research with Corvair/Sensenich wood props. I believe it was for
the KR2. However, he might have also done work for aircraft in the 601
speed range too. I think I've even seen his 601 with a wood prop in some of
his pictures. I'm sure a quick call to him should give you lots of info.
Good Luck,
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
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Subject: | Re: So long, farewell |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "j. davis" <jd@lawsonimaging.ca>
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I have been on this list for some 7 years and have enjoyed reading and
> sharing my experiences where I can. The trouble is I am getting WAY to
> mch email and with the recent addition of pictures I have a concern that
> I may start appearing on the hit list of my company's "bad boy" email list.
>
> As many of you know I have now sold the HDS and am nearing the
> completion of an RV7a. This meant another bunch of lists and groups to
> join and, well, something has to go.
>
> I wish you all fun with your projects and a number of you who need my
> input have my email address on file. If you need my input feel free to
> drop me a note.
>
> Cheers and best reagrds
>
> Frank
> HDS 400 hours...Sold and mmoving on.
Bye for now, Frank. You have been one of the contributors that I have come to
rely on for good, solid information (especially on fuel systems ;')
Take care, and see you on the RV lists!
--
Regards, J.
flying: Zenith STOL CH701/912 C-IGGY, 350 hrs.
building: Sonex #325, Jabiru 3300/6, 85% completed
+-------------------------------------------------------+
| J. Davis, M.Sc. | (computer science) |
| *NIX consulting, SysAdmin | jd at lawsonimaging.ca |
| c/o Brandywine Aviation | voice: 519.289.1527 |
| Appin, ON, CA | http://www.cleco.ca |
| N42 47.33 W081 36.50 31/13 | 2000+ x 60', elev: 740' |
+-------------------------------------------------------+
To most people the sky is the limit.
To those who love aviation, the sky is home.
Get your priorities straight. No one ever said on their
death bed, "Gee, if I'd only spent more time at work".
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Subject: | West coast guys!! |
Is there anyone within a couple hundred miles of Lakeview, OR that would be
willing to take my wife for a ride in a 601. She is really wanting to see
what it is like in one. I have a video from my trip to the factory and demo
flight, but she wants to feel it. I will fill your tank if you will take her
on a small flight. My kids can wait until my plane is done. Lakeview is
located where California, Oregon and Nevada meet.
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
601XL / Corvair
Building Fuse
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Subject: | Re: Sensenich wood prop |
Thanks, but unless it's a 601HD it's just going to be an educated guess since the
cruise speeds are different. I called Sensenich and they don't have anyone
on record with a HD/Vair. He did some comparison between what William has vs.
other Corvair powered planes and came up with the recommendation of a 64X39. That
also falls in close with the calculator on the Culver props web page. I'll
eventually talk to William about it. Right now I figure he's going to be unavailable
until mid August because of Oshkosh and vacation.
Randy Stout
San Antonio, TX
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 7/21/2006 10:06:47 PM
Randy,
Do a search on William Wynnes site or call him (flycorvair.com). He has done some
research with Corvair/Sensenich wood props. I believe it was for the KR2.
However, he might have also done work for aircraft in the 601 speed range too.
I think Ive even seen his 601 with a wood prop in some of his pictures. Im sure
a quick call to him should give you lots of info.
Good Luck,
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
Do not Archive
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Subject: | Re: So long, farewell |
Hi Frank,
all the best to you and hope to meet you again on the RV list.
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: So long, farewell
Hi guys,
I have been on this list for some 7 years and have enjoyed reading and
sharing my experiences where I can. The trouble is I am getting WAY to
mch email and with the recent addition of pictures I have a concern that
I may start appearing on the hit list of my company's "bad boy" email
list.
As many of you know I have now sold the HDS and am nearing the
completion of an RV7a. This meant another bunch of lists and groups to
join and, well, something has to go.
I wish you all fun with your projects and a number of you who need my
input have my email address on file. If you need my input feel free to
drop me a note.
Cheers and best reagrds
Frank
HDS 400 hours...Sold and mmoving on.
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Hi folks,
I have been on this list since 1998. During this time I have completed a
CH 601 HDS, which I'm now flying since 5 years. The list has proven to
me invaluable - without it,I would have had a much harder time to build
the airplane.
My plans are to build another airplane - either a Cozy Mark IV (for
which I have the plans already) or an RV 8A.
Although having already completed the CH 601 HDS I have stayed on this
list to help some novice builder and also get some new ideas about
flying technique and modification ideas. However, the quality of the
posting on this list have deterioted especially over the last few weeks.
I had always thought, that the builders are an especially friendly and
helpful bunch. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Mainly for this
reason, but also since I want to move on to other airplanes I will leave
this list.
I wish all of you the very best.
Thilo Kind
CH 601 HDS
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