---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/21/06: 87 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:51 AM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Tom and Bren Henderson) 2. 03:52 AM - PHOTO RESIZER (rhartwig11@juno.com) 3. 04:19 AM - Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (Monty Graves) 4. 04:26 AM - Re: Sensenich wood prop (Monty Graves) 5. 04:45 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG (martyn@flight.co.za) 6. 04:58 AM - Re: 601XL Build Time (steveadams) 7. 05:15 AM - Re: "Ban" (Zed Smith) 8. 06:16 AM - Re: GPS (Robert Schoenberger) 9. 06:45 AM - Re: painting (steveadams) 10. 07:38 AM - Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder (N5SL) 11. 07:51 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Monty Graves) 12. 07:57 AM - Re: Batteries and dynon update (Mike Fothergill) 13. 08:22 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Gary Boothe) 14. 08:40 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Dave) 15. 08:54 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 16. 09:35 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 17. 09:35 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Jim Logajan) 18. 09:35 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a () 19. 09:41 AM - RE : Re: Batteries and dynon update - Pictures (Carlos Sa) 20. 09:41 AM - 701 elevator trim after riveting--Thanks! (Brian kissinger) 21. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: Batteries and dynon update (Randy L. Thwing) 22. 10:12 AM - Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (Tom and Bren Henderson) 23. 10:18 AM - picture brouhaha (Bill Cardell) 24. 10:34 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Paul Mulwitz) 25. 10:59 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (Joemotis@aol.com) 26. 11:12 AM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Larry Winger) 27. 11:13 AM - Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (Randy Bryant) 28. 11:21 AM - Re: picture brouhaha (Randy L. Thwing) 29. 11:28 AM - Cutting Aluminum (Clyde Barcus) 30. 11:46 AM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Tom and Bren Henderson) 31. 12:02 PM - Today's picture <35 KB (Carlos Sa) 32. 12:03 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (Al Young) 33. 12:13 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 34. 12:14 PM - Test (Beckman, Rick) 35. 12:32 PM - Re: 601XL CAD drawings (Randy L. Thwing) 36. 12:32 PM - Re: Designer approval (steveadams) 37. 12:47 PM - Re: Today's picture <35 KB (Tom and Bren Henderson) 38. 12:50 PM - Re: Cutting Aluminum (Randy L. Thwing) 39. 12:51 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG (Doug Sire) 40. 01:09 PM - Re: Cutting Aluminum (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 41. 01:41 PM - Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (Tommy Walker) 42. 02:02 PM - Where's the prop go? (Dave Ruddiman) 43. 02:12 PM - Re: Cutting Aluminum (William Dominguez) 44. 02:12 PM - Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (NYTerminat@aol.com) 45. 02:23 PM - Re: Where da prop? (Zed Smith) 46. 02:30 PM - XL baggage floor (Jaybannist@cs.com) 47. 02:34 PM - So long, farewell (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 48. 02:34 PM - Re: Z,enith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (Tommy Walker) 49. 02:47 PM - Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (Tom and Bren Henderson) 50. 03:24 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (Robert L. Stone) 51. 03:25 PM - RE : Re: Today's picture <35 KB (Carlos Sa) 52. 03:26 PM - Re: 601XL Build Time (Phyrcooler) 53. 03:38 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Monty Graves) 54. 03:52 PM - Re: Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder (Josh) 55. 03:58 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Joemotis@aol.com) 56. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Where da prop? (Randy Bryant) 57. 04:05 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Joemotis@aol.com) 58. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time (Jean-Paul Roy) 59. 04:19 PM - Re: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) (N5SL) 60. 04:38 PM - Re: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) (Gary Boothe) 61. 04:49 PM - Re: Ban them from the list+CAD (Bill Naumuk) 62. 04:51 PM - Re: Do Not Archive.....etc..... (Dave Austin) 63. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time (Dave Austin) 64. 05:04 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Dave) 65. 05:12 PM - Apologies (RURUNY@aol.com) 66. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Glide Ratio power off-an experiment (Chuck Deiterich) 67. 05:29 PM - Re: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) (Randy Bryant) 68. 05:35 PM - Re: Cutting Aluminum (Clyde Barcus) 69. 05:37 PM - Re: Designer approval (Noel Loveys) 70. 05:46 PM - Re: Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder (N5SL) 71. 05:49 PM - Re: XL baggage floor (cleonard52@comcast.net) 72. 05:58 PM - Re: Batteries and dynon update (Noel Loveys) 73. 06:20 PM - Re: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) (Paul Mulwitz) 74. 06:28 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Joemotis@aol.com) 75. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Batteries and dynon update () 76. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: 701 testing phase (NYTerminat@aol.com) 77. 07:27 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (Noel Loveys) 78. 07:27 PM - Re: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol (NYTerminat@aol.com) 79. 07:38 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG (Noel Loveys) 80. 07:39 PM - Re: Where's the prop go? (Noel Loveys) 81. 07:46 PM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a (Noel Loveys) 82. 07:49 PM - Re: Sensenich wood prop (Dave Thompson) 83. 08:20 PM - Re: So long, farewell (j. davis) 84. 08:28 PM - West coast guys!! (LHusky@aol.com) 85. 09:23 PM - Re: Sensenich wood prop (Randy Stout) 86. 11:34 PM - Re: So long, farewell (Thilo Kind) 87. 11:34 PM - Recent posting (Thilo Kind) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:53 AM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL CAD drawings No problem, I'll send a sample file tomorrow. I can export to nearly any commercial CAD format (including .DWG) from Solidworks. I was rather surprised to see a post from the original draftsman of the XL drawings. That's not something I think I would admit to so redily. I would certainly not have used the tone with which I took his post. The poor guy mentioned the fact that the drawings are copyrighted (I believe that was about the only point he had to make). Of course they are! The issue here is not that we want electronic copies of the existing, protected drawings. Many of us are looking for higher quality, full scale drawings for use as templates, references, etc. Would you rather plot fifty points on a piece of paper and connect the dots, or click the print button? I guess I though it was kind of a no-brainer. At any rate, I'll post a file for you tomorrow that will give you an idea of whther or not they'll help you out. (One of my own, not an illegally reproduced Zenith print! *sheesh!* lol) Larry Winger wrote: Thanks for your offer. Because I work in an office with a plotter and networked Autodesk stations, I'm going to try to bring in DWG files. If DXF can be exported to DWG (or imported on my end), that would be great. In the meantime, I'm actually learning more about Autodesk in a hurry. Who knows, I may be another resource for the next scratch builder who wants Autodesk files. If you are willing to send along one file as a sample, I'll be glad to try to convert it. As usual, the response of the list has been impressive. I hope I can reciprocate at some future date. Larry On 7/20/06, Tom and Bren Henderson wrote: I've got a full set of Solidworks files if you're interested in any of them. (Well, nearly a full set. I'm still working ont he wings). Let me know what you're looking for, and I'll work up some .DXF prints. lwinger wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who would be willing to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts? This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks. Thanks. -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL plan set 6493 in hand Workshop nearly complete Read this topic online ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:31 AM PST US From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: Zenith-List: PHOTO RESIZER --> Zenith-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com If you would like a very simple photo size reducer by Microsoft, just click on my e-mail address, rhartwig11@juno.com , and I will send you a copy of it. With this "Power toy" all you do is right click on your photo and then click on the size you want. On screen quality is the same as the original. I would give you a link to this utility on the Microsoft website, but can't seem to find it. Rich Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:49 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves Mat Dralle, Please ban from the Zenith list anyone that sends a I MG byte file or larger...... Another 1 MG file was sent last evening........ Some of these guys are too stupid to build an airplane......... Or maybe we can identify them at the Zenith Builders dinner at OSH, and beat the shit out of them instead..... absolutely archive this message. Monty Graves ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:25 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sensenich wood prop --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves www.culverprops.com Call and talk to Gene. They leave for OSH Sunday though At 01:20 AM 7/21/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" > >Are any of you guys flying a 601HD with a Corvair and using a Sensenich >wood prop? I think I'm going to replace my Warp with a wood prop. Maybe if >someone is flying a 6 cylinder Jabriu/HD with a Sensenich the required >pitch might be about the same (only backwards) > >I hate to be the pioneer in this. > >Randy Stout >n282rs"at"earthlink.net >www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:53 AM PST US From: martyn@flight.co.za Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG --> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za Maybe also ban passive aggressive behaviour? Do not Archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > > Mat Dralle, > > Please ban from the Zenith list anyone that sends a I MG byte file or > larger...... > > Another 1 MG file was sent last evening........ > > Some of these guys are too stupid to build an airplane......... > > Or maybe we can identify them at the Zenith Builders dinner at OSH, and > beat the shit out of them instead..... > > absolutely archive this message. > > Monty Graves > > Do not Archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:31 AM PST US From: "steveadams" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Build Time --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" Comparing build times from different builders is really of little value because everybody compiles their times differently and with varied diligence. It's the same as asking how many years did it take to build the plane. It took me 1 year working regularly, it may have taken someone else 5 years working intermitantly. Who took longer to build their plane? For example, I built my CH640 in about 750 hours from a quickbuild kit. This is from recieving the kit all the way to painted and flying. But what I logged as building time is only time spent in the garage or hanger with my hands on the plane. Every day I went in there I knew what I was going to do, had already reviewed and marked relevant drawings, knew I had everything available to do that portion of the build etc. If I included all the time spent reviewing the plans, tracking down parts and supplies, planning my panel, planning what I was going to do during my next time in the shop, planning the paint scheme, researching paints and avionics, corresponding with Zenair etc etc etc, I could probably at least double the build hours and be pretty accurate. Which number is my build time? It is even less reliable in predicting the build quality of the plane. One builder may have a short build time because he was organized, knew and understood the drawings and the procedures during the build, and made few mistakes. Another builder with a long build time may be reading along as he works, disorganized, not have a good overall concept of the job at hand, make a lot of time consuming mistakes etc. Which one is going to build a better aircraft? It's impossible to say for sure, but overall build time will not be a factor. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48992#48992 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:23 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Re: "Ban" --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Looks like George Carlin is alive and well, and a contributor to the Zenith List. Kind Sir: We've all, myself included, hit the Send button on some stuff that, in retrospect, maybe we shouldn't have let get onto the public billboard......but so far nobody has stooped to nasty name-calling or used Carlin's vocabulary in direct reference to other builders. Please exercise some restraint; there may be children in the audience.....or children building airplanes. Thank you very much, have a nice day, batteries not included, some assembly required. Zed/701/R912/another example of off-topic posts/let the fray begin By all means, add this to the archives! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:30 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger Larry wrote: > *Why dig with a shovel, when you got a backhoe? Do not archive, Larry* > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gary Gower > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: GPS > > Hello Milburn, > > I think that more important that getting a GPS (and learning all > his "goodies") is to learn to navigate with the charts (the old > way) this needs a little study from your old private pilot school > books :-) and lots of practice (is also fun) my last cross > country was planned and I used the compas, windows (not the > computer one :-), chart, plotter rule, computer rule, watch and > pencil... Was lots of fun, > > Even flying over known area, is easy to get lost, not that you > dont know where you are, BUT to find your actual position with > accuracy in the chart :-) > > Fly for fun and practice the basics, the GPS is a very good > backup instrument... > > Sorry, forgot firstto look at the satelite weather page at home > before any flight, dont fly in marginal weather. Too risky to > smash that expensive GPS :-) > > Saludos > Gary Gower. > Flying from Chapala, Mexico. > 701 912S. > Building a 601 XL. > > */Milburn Reed /* wrote: > > Thank you *//* > */p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net > /*------ good advise > to us po fok building a ch 701----- I can use that low cost > unit (have seen on sale for 299 and a Garmin already),until I > sell a 160 acre parcel, then will probably need something else > (bigger tractor?) > Milburn Reed > http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Date: 7/14/2006 > Sometimes backhoes break down or run out of juice. I agree with Gary. robert Schoenberger 701 do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:15 AM PST US From: "steveadams" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: painting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" I also went with the AFS paints for many of the reasons sited above. In addition, as someone with no painting experience, I found their system to be user friendly and they provide good documentation and support. If you have a paint booth/respirator available however, many of the safety concerns I had with standard polyurethanes are probably secondary. I think you can probably get good results from most of the commonly used paints. Just make sure you use a complete system from one manufacturer that will provide good documentation on how to prep for and apply their particular paint. This way you'll avoid any possible incompatibility between primer and topcoat, and by using their recommended methods you'll be following something that has proven to give good results with their paints. Pay particular attention to times between coats, how much paint to apply each coat, pot life of the mixed paint, and trying to be very consistent with the viscosity and mixing of the paint. Small variations in these can make it extremely difficult to get consistently good results. Technically it's not really all that difficult, but it is a lot of work, and can be extremely frustrating at times. Start with some small parts like access covers, wheel pants, spinner etc. This will give you an opportunity to get a feel for how much paint to apply with each coat to get a nice looking finish, and will be relatively easy to strip and repaint when you make the mistakes that you will make. Some of my wheel pants were painted and stripped 3 times before I got a feel for that magical amount of paint somewhere between orange peel and runs. This was another big advantage to the AFS paints. If I really messed up, I just took the part outside in the yard and washed the wet paint off with the hose and some dish soap and was ready for another shot at it. Not too practical for bigger parts, but great during the learning phase. Have fun. Seeing the transition from bare aluminum or fiberglass to beautiful shiny pieces of a finished airplane was rea! lly a th rill. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49007#49007 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:18 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Good Morning: If you are a kit builder of a 601XL, could you measure the width of your wing-root seal rubber for me? I'm about to order some and I want to make sure it is the right width. An Aircraft Spruce or Wicks part number would be ideal but if you can measure yours and give me the width I can find it. Thank you, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Almost finished with Canopy __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:52 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves runruny@aol.com Or was it ronrony@aol.com I hope spamers glean this address, and send loads of viruses and spy bots to him...... In fact I URGE everyone with dial up to send him a virus........ He sent ANOTHER 13MB file...........a little more aggressive behavior from everyone, MIGHT help him understand.......... a piece of well seasoned hickory on a mules head gets there attention every time.......... I am sure he is a nice guy, He and several others just don't know what they are doing when it comes to uploading images. Monty Graves Do Not archive At 01:36 PM 7/21/2006 +0200, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za > >Maybe also ban passive aggressive behaviour? > >Do not Archive > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > > > > Mat Dralle, > > > > Please ban from the Zenith list anyone that sends a I MG byte file or > > larger...... > > > > Another 1 MG file was sent last evening........ > > > > Some of these guys are too stupid to build an airplane......... > > > > Or maybe we can identify them at the Zenith Builders dinner at OSH, and > > beat the shit out of them instead..... > > > > absolutely archive this message. > > > > Monty Graves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:36 AM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Batteries and dynon update --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill Please. No large pics. Reduce them. Do not archive RURUNY@aol.com wrote: > Anyone have a dynon product, I have a D10A in my 701.For those > interested. There is a new firmware update just out July 10th that > enables the AOA tone to headset and has a full screen DG that keeps all > the numbers right side up.Many other improvements also. > I just powered up the completed Aerolectric Connection designed > electrical system and its > looking good!! I'm using a power supply on the battery terminals. > Looking at batteries at > B&C and wondering about Amp hours. Whats reasonable for VFR only. Id > like to keep the weight and size of the battery on the low end. Maybe a > local night flight not very often, mostly daytime. Any battery install > pics in the back seat of a 701 helpful. > I have a rotax 912 with the 20 Amp alternator. > I've attached a pic of panel, hopefully seen at > http://www.matronics.com/forums > Lettering has been done with rub on letters and numbers from tower hobbies. > Base paint is grey rustoleum glossy, letters applied and then applied a > rustoleum flat clear coat. Used blue painters tape to line up letters > and numbers to keep straight. It took alot of time but looks like a > military style panel. > This is posted to Aeroelectric List and Zenith list. > Brian > Zenith CH-701 > Long Island, NY > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:17 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" Monty, I'm pretty much an internet neophyte, so I'm a little confused by your vitriol. If you are referring to "runruny@..." I looked up his last two posts out of curiosity. One dated 7/20 has a 1MB attachment (not a 13MB), and the previous one is minuscule. Yes, maybe 1MB is too large for some, but a better solution to beating him with a hickory stick may be to tell him how to downsize his images. After all, I don't think being an internet wiz, or a computer guru, qualifies anyone to build airplanes. You may find this amazing, but people were actually building flying machines before the internet!! Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, working on wings.... Do Not Archive --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves runruny@aol.com Or was it ronrony@aol.com I hope spamers glean this address, and send loads of viruses and spy bots to him...... In fact I URGE everyone with dial up to send him a virus........ He sent ANOTHER 13MB file...........a little more aggressive behavior from everyone, MIGHT help him understand.......... a piece of well seasoned hickory on a mules head gets there attention every time.......... I am sure he is a nice guy, He and several others just don't know what they are doing when it comes to uploading images. Monty Graves Do Not archive At 01:36 PM 7/21/2006 +0200, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: martyn@flight.co.za > >Maybe also ban passive aggressive behaviour? > >Do not Archive > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > > > > Mat Dralle, > > > > Please ban from the Zenith list anyone that sends a I MG byte file or > > larger...... > > > > Another 1 MG file was sent last evening........ > > > > Some of these guys are too stupid to build an airplane......... > > > > Or maybe we can identify them at the Zenith Builders dinner at OSH, and > > beat the shit out of them instead..... > > > > absolutely archive this message. > > > > Monty Graves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:25 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" What a ridiculous suggestion, are you so comfortable and so spoiled that any inconvenience to you must result in permanent exile of the person who causes it? It's a picture, you'll live. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:46 AM ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:49 AM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a I think we should ban smokers, too! Jeez, it's gettin to the point that I have to wear a mask and latex gloves, just to type on my computer! Do not archive! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:27 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In Georgia the communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist Threats and Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was done over the Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts could be a Federal charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to anyone on this list for any reason should result in immediate call to the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is and where he lives? I will be glad to make the call. Bill Phillips, Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:27 AM PST US From: Jim Logajan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Logajan Gary Boothe wrote: > Monty, > > I'm pretty much an internet neophyte, so I'm a little confused by your > vitriol. If you are referring to "runruny@..." I looked up his last two > posts out of curiosity. One dated 7/20 has a 1MB attachment (not a 13MB), > and the previous one is minuscule. It is probable that your ISP filtered out the 13MB message so you never saw it. Monty is correct in his complaint: "runruny@..." has sent two extremely large e-mails with picture attachments - one that my e-mail client (Mozilla Thunderbird) reports as being 1896 KB and the second as 13,508 KB. Sadly, the larger of the two was sent AFTER people complained. (The photos were well done, at least.) I have DSL, so normally such large isolated e-mails are not an issue. But I also travel occasionally to places without high-speed internet and have had to use dial-up from my laptop in order to keep up with work stuff. Then those huge e-mails do become a serious problem. > Yes, maybe 1MB is too large for some, but a better solution to beating him > with a hickory stick may be to tell him how to downsize his images. After > all, I don't think being an internet wiz, or a computer guru, qualifies > anyone to build airplanes. The "runruny@..." person may be a fine pilot in front of the controls of a plane, a great builder, and all-around gentleman, but probably shouldn't be allowed in front of a computer again until he's had his biennial computing review. ;-) A couple of people have already posted useful pointers on how to reduce image sizes before they are sent. I'm not sure what else can be done, short of action by the moderator. Anyway, this is my first (and possibly last) e-mail to this list. I've been lurking for a short while to get a feel for the issues Zenith Zodiac builders encounter, among other things. It's quite an active list, so to avoid swamping myself I need to unsubscribe before checking out the next list I'm interested in lurking on (probably the RV-9 list). Take care all! Jim Logajan Dexter, OR ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:27 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a --> Zenith-List message posted by: Okay now..... everyone take a deep breath.... that's it. Feel better? BTW, being a computer whiz does not entitle anyone to be rude or to be inconsiderate in return for someone else's errors. Ed Moody II Do Not Archive Don't bother flaming me, I will simplt hit delete. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:00 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: RE : Zenith-List: Re: Batteries and dynon update - Pictures --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Guys, I too was upset, even though I have broadband. But after a milisecond or two, I figured that Brian intended to send these pictures privately. See extract from his note below. And he did send it privately, but forgot to remove this list's email address, so we all got a copy as well. Stuff happens. Cheers Carlos do not archive. Shred this note where facilities exist. --- RURUNY@aol.com a crit : ... > Here are a few pics of the tanks installed. Sorry about the size of these > but I don't have time to shrink them right now, especially to dial up people. > I've been meaning to send a bunch of these to CH701.com but am too busy to get > it done. > > Brian __________________________________________________ En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicits http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:00 AM PST US From: Brian kissinger Subject: Zenith-List: 701 elevator trim after riveting--Thanks! Greetings all: I just want to say thanks to all those who helped me with my dilemna when I riveted close my elevator but still needed to put my electric trim option in. The inputs/advice of this list really paid off and helped me. Talking with "Bee Gee" Fritz over the phone, Debo Cox e-mail, Brian "RURUNY" pictures and e-mail, all were a great help. Now I should be complete with my tail kit before I leave for Oshkosh then back on the wings when I return. Cheers, Brian "Brain" Kissinger www.brainsflight.com 779BF reserved fuselage on gear wing skeletons done tail kit almost done ps Here's a small picture (83KB) of my accomplishment...please e-mail any negative comments to yourself or your Mom :) do not archive Cheers, "Brain" Kissinger www.brainsflight.com $1 or greater donations to the American Brain Tumor Association gladly accepted on-line--Thank you! --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:33 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Batteries and dynon update Listers: When someone sends large photos, I attribute it to inexperience with images, but I went back and read this email and found the sender completely capable, but "didn't have time" to reduce the size. It took this dial-up lister 45 minutes to download, 9.86 mb total. I saved the pictures, activated my image software, resized the photos in less that four minutes. I normally wouldn't respond to something like this, but the attitude that one's time is more valuable than others goes against the spirit of this list. I also notice this message was sent direct to Keith as well as the list. Why wasn't the list message delayed until the sender had "time" to resize the photos. I have only dial-up which works fine when simple consideration is shown. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, NV Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Batteries and dynon update Keith, Sorry about the size of these but I don't have time to shrink them right now, especially to dial up people. I've been meaning to send a bunch of these to CH701.com but am too busy to get it done. Brian ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:13 AM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol B-Bye now Jim... I can't believe a fellow Oregonian (and high speed internet subscriber) would bother making their one and only post to the list a complaint. Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable size and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or answer can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a bit. There was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then again, there was a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE ON! I for one would love to see daily pictures of some of the projects out there. It seems each of us have different methods and procedures for the same projects. I'm interested in seeing some of them described. If you've got a better way to set the solid rivets in a spar, post some pics. If you've got a picture of your project that you're particularly proud of, please send it out. I'll follow the list rules because there are a few whiners out there that seem hell-bent on administrating the list on their own. I wonder if the dial up guys know the entire list is archived on the Matronics web-site? hmmm, imagine that, everything you're asking for (no embedded pictures and being able to chose whether or not to download each post) right at your fingertips. Oh my! Wait! I almost forgot you already have that! Why on earth would you not filter your email if you had a dial-up connection?!?! Do Not Archive (Oh, and please Sir, don't ban me from the list because I choose to be one of those WITH a clue...) Jim Logajan wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Logajan Gary Boothe wrote: > Monty, > > I'm pretty much an internet neophyte, so I'm a little confused by your > vitriol. If you are referring to "runruny@..." I looked up his last two > posts out of curiosity. One dated 7/20 has a 1MB attachment (not a 13MB), > and the previous one is minuscule. It is probable that your ISP filtered out the 13MB message so you never saw it. Monty is correct in his complaint: "runruny@..." has sent two extremely large e-mails with picture attachments - one that my e-mail client (Mozilla Thunderbird) reports as being 1896 KB and the second as 13,508 KB. Sadly, the larger of the two was sent AFTER people complained. (The photos were well done, at least.) I have DSL, so normally such large isolated e-mails are not an issue. But I also travel occasionally to places without high-speed internet and have had to use dial-up from my laptop in order to keep up with work stuff. Then those huge e-mails do become a serious problem. > Yes, maybe 1MB is too large for some, but a better solution to beating him > with a hickory stick may be to tell him how to downsize his images. After > all, I don't think being an internet wiz, or a computer guru, qualifies > anyone to build airplanes. The "runruny@..." person may be a fine pilot in front of the controls of a plane, a great builder, and all-around gentleman, but probably shouldn't be allowed in front of a computer again until he's had his biennial computing review. ;-) A couple of people have already posted useful pointers on how to reduce image sizes before they are sent. I'm not sure what else can be done, short of action by the moderator. Anyway, this is my first (and possibly last) e-mail to this list. I've been lurking for a short while to get a feel for the issues Zenith Zodiac builders encounter, among other things. It's quite an active list, so to avoid swamping myself I need to unsubscribe before checking out the next list I'm interested in lurking on (probably the RV-9 list). Take care all! Jim Logajan Dexter, OR ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:39 AM PST US From: "Bill Cardell" Subject: Zenith-List: picture brouhaha On the other side of the coin, the pics you just sent are so small they can't be used to see any detail. Blowing them up just gives huge graininess. There must be some middle ground. do not archive Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad) www.flyinmiata.com 1-800-FLY-MX5S tech 970-242-3800 ________________________________ [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy L. Thwing Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:52 AM Listers: When someone sends large photos, I attribute it to inexperience with images, but I went back and read this email and found the sender completely capable, but "didn't have time" to reduce the size. It took this dial-up lister 45 minutes to download, 9.86 mb total. I saved the pictures, activated my image software, resized the photos in less that four minutes. I normally wouldn't respond to something like this, but the attitude that one's time is more valuable than others goes against the spirit of this list. I also notice this message was sent direct to Keith as well as the list. Why wasn't the list message delayed until the sender had "time" to resize the photos. I have only dial-up which works fine when simple consideration is shown. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, NV Do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:20 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz There is something each of us can do to limit this problem. We can limit the size of message we automatically download. I know this is possible with my email program, Eudora, and I presume it is a common setting in most programs. Paul XL fuselage Do not archive At 09:33 AM 7/21/2006, you wrote: >I'm not sure what else can be done, short of action by the moderator. --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:44 AM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file Hopin' and urgin' and hitting mules on the head with a piece of hickory are all still legal in this country. Get a grip, man. J.D. Motis do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:34 AM PST US From: "Larry Winger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL CAD drawings I couldn't agree more. I actually stayed up (later than I should have) to break through a learning curve on Autodesk. At this point, I believe I have a handle on how to produce the DWG files, but I'm still interested in the drawings you have produced. When I complete whatever set I tackle, I'll be glad to reciprocate. That comes from the fact that my work is not copyrighted! I knew the first time I did hand plotting on a form block that CAD drawing was in my future. Do you use CAD for other parts, like horns? I'm thinking that would have some value. Thanks for your response. Larry On 7/21/06, Tom and Bren Henderson wrote: > > No problem, I'll send a sample file tomorrow. I can export to nearly > any commercial CAD format (including .DWG) from Solidworks. I was rather > surprised to see a post from the original draftsman of the XL drawings. > That's not something I think I would admit to so redily. I would certainly > not have used the tone with which I took his post. > The poor guy mentioned the fact that the drawings are copyrighted (I > believe that was about the only point he had to make). Of course they are! > The issue here is not that we want electronic copies of the existing, > protected drawings. Many of us are looking for higher quality, full scale > drawings for use as templates, references, etc. Would you rather plot fifty > points on a piece of paper and connect the dots, or click the print button? > I guess I though it was kind of a no-brainer. > At any rate, I'll post a file for you tomorrow that will give you an > idea of whther or not they'll help you out. (One of my own, not an > illegally reproduced Zenith print! *sheesh!* lol) > > > *Larry Winger * wrote: > > Thanks for your offer. Because I work in an office with a plotter and > networked Autodesk stations, I'm going to try to bring in DWG files. If DXF > can be exported to DWG (or imported on my end), that would be great. > > In the meantime, I'm actually learning more about Autodesk in a hurry. > Who knows, I may be another resource for the next scratch builder who wants > Autodesk files. > > If you are willing to send along one file as a sample, I'll be glad to try > to convert it. > > As usual, the response of the list has been impressive. I hope I can > reciprocate at some future date. > > Larry > > > On 7/20/06, Tom and Bren Henderson wrote: > > > > I've got a full set of Solidworks files if you're interested in any > > of them. (Well, nearly a full set. I'm still working ont he wings). Let > > me know what you're looking for, and I'll work up some .DXF prints. > > > > > > > > > > *lwinger * wrote: > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" > > > > > > > > Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who > > would be willing to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts? > > > > This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -------- > > Larry Winger > > Tustin, CA > > 601XL plan set 6493 in hand > > Workshop nearly complete > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:08 AM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol Yeah, yeah... and it keeps em' busy and off my butt about my drawings! LOL! (All said with fun) Thanks! Randy Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom and Bren Henderson To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol B-Bye now Jim... I can't believe a fellow Oregonian (and high speed internet subscriber) would bother making their one and only post to the list a complaint. Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable size and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or answer can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a bit. There was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then again, there was a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE ON! I for one would love to see daily pictures of some of the projects out there. It seems each of us have different methods and procedures for the same projects. I'm interested in seeing some of them described. If you've got a better way to set the solid rivets in a spar, post some pics. If you've got a picture of your project that you're particularly proud of, please send it out. I'll follow the list rules because there are a few whiners out there that seem hell-bent on administrating the list on their own. I wonder if the dial up guys know the entire list is archived on the Matronics web-site? hmmm, imagine that, everything you're asking for (no embedded pictures and being able to chose whether or not to download each post) right at your fingertips. Oh my! Wait! I almost forgot you already have that! Why on earth would you not filter your email if you had a dial-up connection?!?! Do Not Archive (Oh, and please Sir, don't ban me from the list because I choose to be one of those WITH a clue...) Jim Logajan wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Logajan Gary Boothe wrote: > Monty, > > I'm pretty much an internet neophyte, so I'm a little confused by your > vitriol. If you are referring to "runruny@..." I looked up his last two > posts out of curiosity. One dated 7/20 has a 1MB attachment (not a 13MB), > and the previous one is minuscule. It is probable that your ISP filtered out the 13MB message so you never saw it. Monty is correct in his complaint: "runruny@..." has sent two extremely large e-mails with picture attachments - one that my e-mail client (Mozilla Thunderbird) reports as being 1896 KB and the second as 13,508 KB. Sadly, the larger of the two was sent AFTER people complained. (The photos were well done, at least.) I have DSL, so normally such large isolated e-mails are not an issue. But I also travel occasionally to places without high-speed internet and have had to use dial-up from my laptop in order to keep up with work stuff. Then those huge e-mails do become a serious problem. > Yes, maybe 1MB is too large for some, but a better solution to beating him > with a hickory stick may be to tell him how to downsize his images. After > all, I don't think being an internet wiz, or a computer guru, qualifies > anyone to build airplanes. The "runruny@..." person may be a fine pilot in front of the controls of a plane, a great builder, and all-around gentleman, but probably shouldn't be allowed in front of a computer again until he's had his biennial computing review. ;-) A couple of people have already posted useful pointers on how to reduce image sizes before they are sent. I'm not sure what else can be done, short of action by the ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:27 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: picture brouhaha Hello Bill: The tiny pics were there only to prove I went the through the resizing exercise I claimed I did in my post. During that four minute exercise, I could have resized them to any usable and easily transmittable size. Best Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive On the other side of the coin, the pics you just sent are so small they can't be used to see any detail. Blowing them up just gives huge graininess. There must be some middle ground. do not archive Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad) Listers: I saved the pictures, activated my image software, resized the photos in less that four minutes. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:16 AM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Zenith-List: Cutting Aluminum I have tried just about every suggestion on tools and methods of cutting aluminum, most with success, however I recently used my 4 1/2 inch angle grinder with great results. I decided to time the results, take pictures and share with those who are interested. I timed cutting a piece of .025 aluminum sheet, it took exactly 18.6 seconds to cut 32 inches, my son timed it with a stop watch. I used a 1/16 metal cutting wheel I purchased at Lowes, it does not load up or distort the aluminum. It does leave a small burr but that comes off easily, I run it across a belt sander but I have also have used a deburring tool or sandpaper, I didn't time the deburring but it was less than the cut off time. The best method for me was to cut pulling toward me with the guard resting on the sheet, that way it doesn't bounce or bind. After reading all of the post on pictures I decided not to post them, I am pretty decent with tools but lousy with computers and I didn't want to risk adding to the fire. I hope this helps those who are just getting started. Clyde Barcus 601 XL, Corvair Powered Wings, Tail & Engine Complete Working on Fuselage ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:03 AM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL CAD drawings I used Solidworks to fabricate all the parts in the kit. I use it to export G-Code to our CNC punches. You'd love the way everything goes together right out of the shop. I haven't worked up drawings on many of the parts though. Generally I just create a solid model and export from that. Larry Winger wrote: I couldn't agree more. I actually stayed up (later than I should have) to break through a learning curve on Autodesk. At this point, I believe I have a handle on how to produce the DWG files, but I'm still interested in the drawings you have produced. When I complete whatever set I tackle, I'll be glad to reciprocate. That comes from the fact that my work is not copyrighted! I knew the first time I did hand plotting on a form block that CAD drawing was in my future. Do you use CAD for other parts, like horns? I'm thinking that would have some value. Thanks for your response. Larry On 7/21/06, Tom and Bren Henderson wrote: No problem, I'll send a sample file tomorrow. I can export to nearly any commercial CAD format (including .DWG) from Solidworks. I was rather surprised to see a post from the original draftsman of the XL drawings. That's not something I think I would admit to so redily. I would certainly not have used the tone with which I took his post. The poor guy mentioned the fact that the drawings are copyrighted (I believe that was about the only point he had to make). Of course they are! The issue here is not that we want electronic copies of the existing, protected drawings. Many of us are looking for higher quality, full scale drawings for use as templates, references, etc. Would you rather plot fifty points on a piece of paper and connect the dots, or click the print button? I guess I though it was kind of a no-brainer. At any rate, I'll post a file for you tomorrow that will give you an idea of whther or not they'll help you out. (One of my own, not an illegally reproduced Zenith print! *sheesh!* lol) Larry Winger < larrywinger@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for your offer. Because I work in an office with a plotter and networked Autodesk stations, I'm going to try to bring in DWG files. If DXF can be exported to DWG (or imported on my end), that would be great. In the meantime, I'm actually learning more about Autodesk in a hurry. Who knows, I may be another resource for the next scratch builder who wants Autodesk files. If you are willing to send along one file as a sample, I'll be glad to try to convert it. As usual, the response of the list has been impressive. I hope I can reciprocate at some future date. Larry On 7/20/06, Tom and Bren Henderson < admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote: I've got a full set of Solidworks files if you're interested in any of them. (Well, nearly a full set. I'm still working ont he wings). Let me know what you're looking for, and I'll work up some .DXF prints. lwinger < larrywinger@gmail.com > wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" Before I dive in to learn Autodesk, is there anyone on the list who would be willing to share CAD files (DWG format) of 601XL parts? This is in preparation for building a full set of 601XL form blanks. Thanks. -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL plan set 6493 in hand Workshop nearly complete Read this topic online ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:34 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Zenith-List: Today's picture <35 KB see attached picture Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada do not archive __________________________________________________ En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicits http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:04 PM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file Bill- AMEN- Way to go!! I cannot remember in the almost 5 years I've been on this list, any more idiotic bashing than has erupted on this list in the past few months. I even had some jerk contact me off list and quote one of the rules because I said thank you to someone who had helped me with a problem I had. I didn't respond and just considered it a new guy with nothing else worthwhile to say. Now we have Monty. Probably related to the jerk I mentioned. Anyway, lets get back to building and helping each other and cut the crap!. Al Young 601XL Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In Georgia the communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist Threats and Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was done over the Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts could be a Federal charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to anyone on this list for any reason should result in immediate call to the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is and where he lives? I will be glad to make the call. Bill Phillips, Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:39 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file Al, man do I ever agree with you !! Some folks never got out of high school. Hope you and your family are doing well. Best regards, Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:32 PM PST US From: "Beckman, Rick" Subject: Zenith-List: Test Test Do not archive ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:16 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL CAD drawings Hey Tom: How about some pictures of the CNC punch knocking out some ZA parts? Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL CAD drawings I used Solidworks to fabricate all the parts in the kit. I use it to export G-Code to our CNC punches. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:16 PM PST US From: "steveadams" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Designer approval --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" Unless you specifically point it out to the inspector I don't think 99% of them would know if you made even a major change in the design. They are not inspecting the design of your plane (at least in the US), and most will not even look at your drawings. They are ensuring that you built it within the scope of the amateur built category and that the general construction practices meet the standards for acceptable methods and techniques. There is no requirement for Zenair to do the type of structural testing that some have mentioned, let alone any requirement for a builder who modifies the design to do so. With that said, I am not advocating making modifications to the design as I happen to believe that CH is a pretty brilliant man when it comes to aircraft design and I built my plane strictly by the plans. It's not perfect, no design is. However, I don't think most of us have the knowledge or experience to fully comprehend why he did things the way he did, nor to what extent our proposed modifications will effect the structure and flying characteristics of the aircraft as a whole. It would be smart to consult Zenair when considering making major changes, but it is not required and I doubt they would officially sign off on anything more extensive than fixing a cracked skin or an incorrectly drilled part anyway. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49115#49115 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:05 PM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Today's picture <35 KB Nice looking 601! Is it yours? Do Not Archive Carlos Sa wrote: see attached picture Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada do not archive __________________________________________________ En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicits http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:23 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting Aluminum Come on Clyde, post the pics, just resize them to 300 or 400 pixels wide. If there are a few of them, send them in separate messages to space them out. I'd like to see your setup. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas Subject: Zenith-List: Cutting Aluminum After reading all of the post on pictures I decided not to post them, I am pretty decent with tools but lousy with computers and I didn't want to risk adding to the fire. I hope this helps those who are just getting started. Clyde Barcus ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:40 PM PST US From: "Doug Sire" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" > I say ban anyone who does not use a broadband connection, smokes, and uses the wrong color of Scotchbrite pad (this specific combination only). Not sure where I stand on the bagpipes yet. Doug Sire 601XL - kit here but can't remember where I put it. Do not archive and do knot archive too. Hopin' and urgin' and hitting mules on the head with a piece of hickory > are > all still legal in this country. > Get a grip, man. > > J.D. Motis > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:43 PM PST US From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cutting Aluminum Wow this would make a lot of dust. Mind you I use a HF 6" chop saw with aluminium oxide wheels for cutting bar stock and angle. The thing is lighting quick and you cut a LOT of this stuff on the RV kits. $34 on sale,....Well worth it. Frank ________________________________ [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:27 AM I have tried just about every suggestion on tools and methods of cutting aluminum, most with success, however I recently used my 4 1/2 inch angle grinder with great results. I decided to time the results, take pictures and share with those who are interested. I timed cutting a piece of .025 aluminum sheet, it took exactly 18.6 seconds to cut 32 inches, my son timed it with a stop watch. I used a 1/16 metal cutting wheel I purchased at Lowes, it does not load up or distort the aluminum. It does leave a small burr but that comes off easily, I run it across a belt sander but I have also have used a deburring tool or sandpaper, I didn't time the deburring but it was less than the cut off time. The best method for me was to cut pulling toward me with the guard resting on the sheet, that way it doesn't bounce or bind. After reading all of the post on pictures I decided not to post them, I am pretty decent with tools but lousy with computers and I didn't want to risk adding to the fire. I hope this helps those who are just getting started. Clyde Barcus 601 XL, Corvair Powered Wings, Tail & Engine Complete Working on Fuselage ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:04 PM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol Here's a possible solution for dial up folks: Change your subscription to the "Zenith List Digest." You will get one email each day with all the text, but no pictures. It's actually easier to read than the constant stream of emails.... You can just skip over these "non-contributing" posts. (There. I said I wouldn't respond to this, but I did....) Tommy Walker in Alabama dO nOt ArChIvE ;) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom and Bren Henderson Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:11 PM major snip............... B-Bye now Jim... I can't believe a fellow Oregonian (and high speed internet subscriber) would bother making their one and only post to the list a complaint. Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable size and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or answer can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a bit. There was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then again, there was a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE ON! ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:12 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Zenith-List: Where's the prop go? Bet you don't have one of these.. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:38 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting Aluminum --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez Does this make a lot of noise? William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans --- Clyde Barcus wrote: > I have tried just about every suggestion on tools > and methods of cutting aluminum, most with success, > however I recently used my 4 1/2 inch angle grinder > with great results. I decided to time the results, > take pictures and share with those who are > interested. I timed cutting a piece of .025 aluminum > sheet, it took exactly 18.6 seconds to cut 32 > inches, my son timed it with a stop watch. I used a > 1/16 metal cutting wheel I purchased at Lowes, it > does not load up or distort the aluminum. It does > leave a small burr but that comes off easily, I run > it across a belt sander but I have also have used a > deburring tool or sandpaper, I didn't time the > deburring but it was less than the cut off time. The > best method for me was to cut pulling toward me with > the guard resting on the sheet, that way it doesn't > bounce or bind. After reading all of the post on > pictures I decided not to post them, I am pretty > decent with tools but lousy with computers and I > didn't want to risk adding to the fire. I hope this > helps those who are just getting started. > > > Clyde Barcus > 601 XL, Corvair Powered > Wings, Tail & Engine Complete > Working on Fuselage ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:38 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, twalker@cableone.net writes: Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable size and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or answer can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a bit. There was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then again, there was a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE ON! Here is one for you Bob Spudis N701ZX 62hrs ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:44 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where da prop? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith That's a nice scooter. Should I post my 14+ meg photo of the Goodrich Blimp? Regards to all, Zed do not archive ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:02 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: XL baggage floor I don't recall anyone mentioning a problem handling the baggage floor skin (XL). It's giving me fits! I can't get it in or out without bowing it and risking a bend. I've had it out three or four times already and I know there is more to come. I've decided to take some rather drastic action (which I have cleared with Caleb at ZAC) to make handling easier and less risky. First, I am going to cut the rear edge even with the front of the bulkhead and add an L angle to the face of the bulkhead to support it. Then, I am going to split it down the middle. I will have a 10 mm gap to facilitate smooth cuts to both edges. I will make an .025" connector, 50 mm wide to go on top of the split. I will probably go ahead and rivet the connector to one side so I don't have to mess with clecoing both sides every time. Anyone see any big problems with this? Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:22 PM PST US From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: Zenith-List: So long, farewell Hi guys, I have been on this list for some 7 years and have enjoyed reading and sharing my experiences where I can. The trouble is I am getting WAY to mch email and with the recent addition of pictures I have a concern that I may start appearing on the hit list of my company's "bad boy" email list. As many of you know I have now sold the HDS and am nearing the completion of an RV7a. This meant another bunch of lists and groups to join and, well, something has to go. I wish you all fun with your projects and a number of you who need my input have my email address on file. If you need my input feel free to drop me a note. Cheers and best reagrds Frank HDS 400 hours...Sold and mmoving on. ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:22 PM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Z,enith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol Bob That's a good picture of a pretty (to a 701 builder) plane. Could you give us an update on your testing phase? Thanks, Tommy Walker -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of NYTerminat@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 4:12 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, twalker@cableone.net writes: Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable size and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or answer can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a bit. There was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then again, there was a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE ON! Here is one for you Bob Spudis N701ZX 62hrs ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:55 PM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol Absolutely beautiful aircraft Bob! Any idea what brand of paint was used? NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, twalker@cableone.net writes: Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were all of manageable size and appear to be well taken. Using pictures to clarify a question or answer can be invaluable. Heck, if nothing else they liven up the list a bit. There was a time when the online world was nothing but text. Then again, there was a time some of us wore bell bottoms too! It's time to MOVE ON! 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MAe9EUUgOQQM9qmCsvDqCPasmMb+8OADk9qglJ6MMNnrVlEAYsqn86SbaVyc 5HcUrjIDI4BdsHjGaatwcEgD8aglCElxk+marDOcsBmrUSGaSzTPtJbGOcir UMhGTvJ9azot2zcGYCplfnBG40mrbCLUjsfukk+gpYmbaQ3QetRxxRvD5jZU 56CpIx5cWAT1pbgHmEHGKcHYjHAFQ+cA2009HTs36UrDJCTjCkZoDEkhlBxT Hk456+1QmUE5/lRYZOYlf5ulOiOzKqSSegqq82znnFLbygsMtjJ9KGgP/9k ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:54 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file Ladies and Gentleman No matter which on line list you are on there are going to be a few people who find fault with everything they read. I have no idea why this is but I found this with the KRNet so I was not supprised to find it here. On line exchanging of ideas and how to do it by a builder further along is priceless so lets just put up with the bitchers. We all have a delete key which can and should be used each and every time one of these people post a message flaming someone. If you see some advice that you know for sure is not good advice or might even be dangerous, send a message to the sender of that message explaining why you think he is wrong but be nice about it and do it off net. You can highlilght the senders name in the FROM part of his message with your left mouse key and then click on it with the right key, go to properties, click on it and you will see the senders e-mail address. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx Zodiac XL (Not too far along) ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Young To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file Bill- AMEN- Way to go!! I cannot remember in the almost 5 years I've been on this list, any more idiotic bashing than has erupted on this list in the past few months. I even had some jerk contact me off list and quote one of the rules because I said thank you to someone who had helped me with a problem I had. I didn't respond and just considered it a new guy with nothing else worthwhile to say. Now we have Monty. Probably related to the jerk I mentioned. Anyway, lets get back to building and helping each other and cut the crap!. Al Young 601XL Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In Georgia the communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist Threats and Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was done over the Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts could be a Federal charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to anyone on this list for any reason should result in immediate call to the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is and where he lives? I will be glad to make the call. Bill Phillips, Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:23 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: RE : Re: Zenith-List: Today's picture <35 KB --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa No, it is not mine. Actually, the owner would be surprised to see those fairings on the wheels: they exist only in that picture, which I altered to see if they would look good. They do, but I think they would not be practical, specialy the nose gear. Carlos CH601-HD, assembling wings. --- Tom and Bren Henderson a crit : > Nice looking 601! Is it yours? > > Do Not Archive > __________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:23 PM PST US From: "Phyrcooler" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Build Time --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phyrcooler" steveadams wrote: > Comparing build times from different builders is really of little value because everybody compiles their times differently and with varied diligence. . You bring up many valuable points. A person with great skills may whip out a kit in 400 hours, and have done a beautiful job. My brother is so talented with his hands - he'd probably be one to do so. Conversely, some folks spend so much time overanalyzing things - and coupled with their lack of skills - may take 2000 hours and 5 years to put out a crude product. However, my reason for asking hours - and not years, and to also listen to folks' build experiences, is to try to read between the lines on this and other models and get a sense of the product and its relative build time. I am looking at the various kit build options, both LSA and "standard" experimental aircraft, and trying to get a good sense of how much elephant I am willing to commit to. I have learned that some are much bigger elephants than others. And while you eat an elephant one bite at a time... if I can find a junior sized one that meets all my other needs/criterion - than that will be my first kit. Again - thanks to all of you who have provided feedback. I know that I and many others who lurk these posts appreciate you taking the time to share your experiences. dj Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49163#49163 ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:06 PM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves Mr. William D. Phillips 118 Chriswood Dr Forshyth, GA 31029 Dear Sir, Sorry my recent email exchange has caused you to think that I am a Terrorist Threat. If you sincerely believe that I am a Terrorist or a serious threat to ANY mailing list member. I would hope that you would include this email and my previous 2 posts to the Matronics Zenith Email list........with your letter to the FBI so that they may determine the extent of my perceived threats. Mr Dralle, the owner of the Zenith list, has asked us to police ourselves over sending attachments. If these large attachments continue to be sent, the option will be removed. Matt has already said that....... He has no desire to store at his own expense, these huge files, anymore than the majority of the list wants to see an image of this size....... Over the last few weeks several folks, including myself have nicely and politely asked that this shouldn't be done, and offered help and resources to help those that need help..... unfortunately some are slow catching on. My tongue in cheek rudeness and language was an intentional attempt on my part to start a flame war, and draw attention to the problem......... And it seems to have worked. While I personally am more than able to filter, handle, delete, and download large file sizes. What about the other older less experienced gentlemen, that can't handle the larger file sizes..... The ones that don't speak up.... The ones that lurk and answer questions off list, but never on list. ............ Their only option becomes to leave the list....... Do we want to loose that valuable builder resource, because a few snobbish inconsiderate list members live in a location and are able to afford high speed internet........... Do we let them go ahead and upload a large file, just because they can, just to irritate the dial up guys that complain......... I personally don't think we do...... If I insulted some of you..... GOOD I meant too. At least It got every ones attention...... Because if folks continue to send 1MB files and larger to the list... The golden egg is going to get thrown out and we will be back where we were........... without pictures....... Myself or any number of folks would be very very happy to help anyone learn how to resize an image.......all you have to do is ask... Monty GRAVES 68 Brushy Fork RD Iberia, MO 65486 573-369-2973 B.S University of Missouri 1978 MBA University of Missouri 1983 I am also the list owner of the Yahoo 701builders email list And scratch building a 701 Do not archive At 12:32 PM 7/21/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In Georgia >the communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist Threats >and Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was done over >the Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts could be a >Federal charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to anyone on this >list for any reason should result in immediate call to the FBI or U.S. >Attorney's office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is and where he >lives? I will be glad to make the call. >Bill Phillips, >Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:31 PM PST US From: "Josh" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder Hopefully the attached picture will help with the dimensions. Josh 601XL Wings > > If you are a kit builder of a 601XL, could you measure > the width of your wing-root seal rubber for me? I'm > about to order some and I want to make sure it is the > right width. An Aircraft Spruce or Wicks part number > would be ideal but if you can measure yours and give > me the width I can find it. > ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:58 PM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a In a message dated 7/21/2006 3:39:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mgraves@usmo.com writes: Monty GRAVES 68 Brushy Fork RD Iberia, MO 65486 573-369-2973 Well, you sure sound like a trrrrrst to me. I'll bet you drink lite beer too. Hmmmmmmm... J.D. Motis Do not archive ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:57 PM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where da prop? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" Yeah, go ahead... I'll pass around my 102Mb TEXT FILE... Yep, I got one, I had to create one for a software development project I had about a year ago... Thanks! Randy Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:22 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith > > That's a nice scooter. > Should I post my 14+ meg photo of the Goodrich Blimp? > > Regards to all, > > Zed > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:50 PM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a : At 12:32 PM 7/21/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In Georgia >the communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist Threats >and Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was done over >the Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts could be a >Federal charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to anyone on this >list for any reason should result in immediate call to the FBI or U.S. >Attorney's office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is and where he >lives? I will be glad to make the call. >Bill Phillips, >Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL My earlier "Get a grip" comment was directed at you, Sir. I did not realize it was not addressed to you in the E mail. And if I need advice on any subject excluding overbearing personalities, it will be from others than yourself. Now please, put the nail clippers down sir!. J.D. Motis Do not archive ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:25 PM PST US From: "Jean-Paul Roy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time Very easy Robert. I just downloaded the program from: http://www.axiomx.com/picsizer.htm I unzipped and installed it and I can reduce the size of a pic very easy. It's user's friendly. Hope this helps Jean-Paul Roy do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Stone To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time Tom & Bren Henderson, Thanks for the support. As I have said before if anyone can instruct me as to how to reduce a picture, I will do so. I can well understand how those people with a telephone modum wait a long time for a large picture to download. This is the main reason I got Road Runner for a server. Everything comes on screen lighting fast. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom and Bren Henderson To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time You did nothing wrong Robert. Keep the pics coming. I can understand the reasoning behind not sending large files, but yours wasn't even 36K (and it was actually from an earlier post). You know the saying, "A picture is worth a thousand words." In the Zenith list, a picture can answer just as many questions. Sorry dial up guys, but we need content to keep this list interesting, informative, and time worthy. "Robert L. Stone" wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" I went to the web site and saw nothing about attachments. Visit this URL to register: http://forums.matronics.com//index.php The attachments were not mine, they were sent with the original message that I was responding to and allowed on the Matronics Email Lists forum. Please explaine in detail, what I did wrong. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:10 PM > The following message from "Robert L. Stone" was not > authorized for entry in the Matronics Email Lists forum. > > Reason: There were problems with the attachments [Attachment must have a > filename to be saved to a forum.] > > > Visit this URL to register: http://forums.matronics.com//index.php > > From: "Robert L. Stone" > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time > **************************************** > > Those parts look beautiful. What is a CNC machine? If ZAC does not > use a machine of some kind like this CNC machine, what do they use? > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:22 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) I'm sitting in my airplane checking email (wireless, high speed, yada yada) and my daughter caught me and took this picture. It sure is comfy in here. I think I'll stay here and dream for a while. Scott Laughlin 601XL Omaha, Nebraska (71 and Sunny) Finishing up the Canopy --- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > twalker@cableone.net writes: > > Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were > all of manageable size > and appear to be well taken. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:11 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" OK, Scott! That's about enough dreamin' - back to work! Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, working on wings.... I'm sitting in my airplane checking email (wireless, high speed, yada yada) and my daughter caught me and took this picture. It sure is comfy in here. I think I'll stay here and dream for a while. Scott Laughlin 601XL Omaha, Nebraska (71 and Sunny) Finishing up the Canopy --- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > twalker@cableone.net writes: > > Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were > all of manageable size > and appear to be well taken. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:18 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list+CAD Tom- Nice job with Solidworks. I also have it but did my rib lofts in AutoCad since I don't have access to CNC machinery- just snips and files. Still beat the hell out of connecting dots with a French curve! The only time I drew in 3D was for the wing tip cut contours. XL builders get plans that give them a coordinate grid to plot out the cut, and can't figure out why it doesn't work. My plot didn't work for my HDS, either I finally concluded that's because of the 2mm general tolerance.Without fixed build jigs, your individual parts can be SR-71 quality, but every project is going to be unique. Don't think CNC cut parts are a panacea. From painful experience, I'd say concentrate on making sure your construction set-up is exact and don't worry about the perfection of individual parts. Cut things a couple of mm oversize and use a file and a little elbow grease to make them fit. Garangers are just like projects- the last 1% takes forever! (@#$$%^&* trim!) Hope to be back on the project by next weekend. Bill Naumuk 40%HDS being relocated to new shop Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom and Bren Henderson To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:18 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Do Not Archive.....etc..... Tom, That was an arrogant statement. Do not archive Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:18 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Returned Mail: Re: Re: 601XL Build Time Tom, Bob, I'm not suggesting anything wrong was done. But pics of greater than 1 meg are a pain in the petush to dial up members. Just asking that they be kept to a minimum. It isn't too difficult to change the digital camera to use the lower number and I don't think pic definition is a problem for what we are doing to help each other. Cheers Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:49 PM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" > I am also the list owner of the Yahoo 701builders email list > Yer also an A-hole ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:23 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Apologies Guys, Sorry about the Images sent last night, nothing malicious was intended, the 13MB was a zip file of pictures only meant for Keith off list, some how I got my write mail windows mixed up and it went to the list and Keith. I have taken the advice of Rich Hartwig and installed the microsoft program to quickly shrink and resave the pics. No excuses, I screwed up and it won't happen again. Of all places I found the link for the program in the guidelines set up by Matt for the list. I have to say thanks to all who are understanding and forgiving of a screwup like this. I've been posting to the list since 2002 and received help from just about all of you from all over the world for my project, even obtaining custom parts to make it that much better. I went from asking lots of questions to trying to give help to who needs it, as I got into the later building stages. I do feel like I know many of you but have never met any of you. I always look forward to checking posts on this list. Anyway, if you are lurking on this list and have some good advice or a great pic don't hesitate to share it. The ability to attach pics of your work instead of posting them on a photoshare is a leap forward for this list. I'll make sure it will get done right from now on. Brian Long Island, NY 701 90% ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:24 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Glide Ratio power off-an experiment --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" There has been so much chatter about banning folks that nobody has commented on my experiment. Chuck D. N701TX do not archive > > I decided to experiment with a small propeller and a fan. > > With the fan blowing straight up I put a freewheeling prop on a stiff wire > held vertically, with the prop spinning it rose up the wire. > > I stopped the prop from spinning with a thread taped to the end of one > blade and placed it over the fan. It did not rise as high as when spinning. > > This tells me the of the non-spinning prop takes more wind speed (closer to > the fan) to support the prop's weight due to less drag. The spinning prop > was supported with less wind (farther from the fan) due to the higher drag. > > Remember: > the force of drag = 1/2 *Cd* air density * Vsrqd * area. Since the force is > equal to the propeller weight in both cases but the velocity of the air is > less for the spinning prop either the Cd went up or the area increased which > means the total drag is higher to be supported by the slower wind. > > Also in my 701 at idle and 50 mph, my descent rate was about 715 fpm for a > glide ratio of about 6 to 1. Which means at an altitude of 1000 feet you > have about a mile and a little over a minute to figure out what to do. > > Chuck D. > N701TX ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:17 PM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) Here's my daily pic... I've waited and worked quite a while to be able to take this pic... Thanks! Randy XL Wings - Plans Only http://www.n344rb.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 7:18 PM > I'm sitting in my airplane checking email (wireless, > high speed, yada yada) and my daughter caught me and > took this picture. It sure is comfy in here. I think > I'll stay here and dream for a while. > > Scott Laughlin > 601XL > Omaha, Nebraska (71 and Sunny) > Finishing up the Canopy > > --- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 7/21/2006 4:42:56 P.M. Eastern >> Daylight Time, >> twalker@cableone.net writes: >> >> Please keep the pictures coming runruny. They were >> all of manageable size >> and appear to be well taken. > > __________________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:57 PM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting Aluminum --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" I don't think it is extreme but I do wear earplugs, an earlier post mentioned dust and he is right. Anytime you use a cutoff wheel there is dust but you are using a 1/16 wide wheel so it is not terrible. That is the downside, the upside, very fast with no distortion and easy to deburr. I plan on posting pictures tomorrow after my son-in-law shows me how. I check the pictures a little while ago and they are big. Clyde Barcus 601XL ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:06 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez > > Does this make a lot of noise? > > William Dominguez > Zodiac 601XL Plans > > --- Clyde Barcus wrote: > >> I have tried just about every suggestion on tools >> and methods of cutting aluminum, most with success, >> however I recently used my 4 1/2 inch angle grinder >> with great results. I decided to time the results, >> take pictures and share with those who are >> interested. I timed cutting a piece of .025 aluminum >> sheet, it took exactly 18.6 seconds to cut 32 >> inches, my son timed it with a stop watch. I used a >> 1/16 metal cutting wheel I purchased at Lowes, it >> does not load up or distort the aluminum. It does >> leave a small burr but that comes off easily, I run >> it across a belt sander but I have also have used a >> deburring tool or sandpaper, I didn't time the >> deburring but it was less than the cut off time. The >> best method for me was to cut pulling toward me with >> the guard resting on the sheet, that way it doesn't >> bounce or bind. After reading all of the post on >> pictures I decided not to post them, I am pretty >> decent with tools but lousy with computers and I >> didn't want to risk adding to the fire. I hope this >> helps those who are just getting started. >> >> >> Clyde Barcus >> 601 XL, Corvair Powered >> Wings, Tail & Engine Complete >> Working on Fuselage > > > ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:15 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Designer approval --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" In the end it is the builder and his/her passengers who will live or die with the results of changes and let's not forget the poor folks who might be on the ground too. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Paul Mulwitz > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:35 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Designer approval > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > > In the end it is the builder who will live or die with the results of > changes. I guess that means it is optional to seek approval, but > prudent in some cases. > > Best regards, > > Paul > XL fuselage > ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:47 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Root Seal - Help needed from Kit Builder --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Thank you Josh. That is exactly what I needed. I ordered the trim from ZAC and I'm glad I did since the A/S stuff was different. Thanks again, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Still dreamin. --- Josh wrote: > Hopefully the attached picture will help with the > dimensions. > > Josh __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 71 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:40 PM PST US From: cleonard52@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage floor I THINK YOU ARE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS. YOU WILL BE PUTTING IT IN AND OUT MANY MORE TIMES, BUT I BELIEVE THERE IS VERY LITTLE CHANCE YOU WILL BEND IT. JUST BE A LITTLE CAREFUL. DO NOT ARCHIEVE. CHARLES -------------- Original message -------------- I don't recall anyone mentioning a problem handling the baggage floor skin (XL). It's giving me fits! I can't get it in or out without bowing it and risking a bend. I've had it out three or four times already and I know there is more to come. I've decided to take some rather drastic action (which I have cleared with Caleb at ZAC) to make handling easier and less risky. First, I am going to cut the rear edge even with the front of the bulkhead and add an L angle to the face of the bulkhead to support it. Then, I am going to split it down the middle. I will have a 10 mm gap to facilitate smooth cuts to both edges. I will make an .025" connector, 50 mm wide to go on top of the split. I will probably go ahead and rivet the connector to one side so I don't have to mess with clecoing both sides every time. Anyone see any big problems with this? Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
I THINK YOU ARE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS. YOU WILL BE PUTTING IT IN AND OUT MANY MORE TIMES, BUT I BELIEVE THERE IS VERY LITTLE CHANCE YOU WILL BEND IT. JUST BE A LITTLE CAREFUL.
DO NOT ARCHIEVE.
 
CHARLES
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
I don't recall anyone mentioning a problem handling the baggage floor skin (XL).  It's giving me fits!  I can't get it in or out without bowing it and risking a bend.  I've had it out three or four times already and I know there is more to come.  I've decided to take some rather drastic action (which I have cleared with Caleb at ZAC) to make handling easier and less risky.  First, I am going to cut the rear edge even with the front of the bulkhead and add an L angle to the face of the bulkhead to support it.  Then, I am going to split it down the middle.  I will have a 10 mm gap to facilitate smooth cuts to both edges.  I will make an .025" connector, 50 mm wide to go on top of the spl it.&nb sp; I will probably go ahead and rivet the connector to one side so I don't have to mess with clecoing both sides every time.  Anyone see any big problems with this?

Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
________________________________ Message 72 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:09 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Batteries and dynon update My recommendation for what it is worth is to have a generator that is capable of powering everything on your plane turned on at once using no more than 80 % of the generator output. If you install a load meter ( an ammeter that reads the draw on the entire system ) then you can raise that figure to 100% and still be safe. The battery is another quintal of fish! It should be large enough to allow several attempts at starting the engine. Nothing like trying to hand prop a flooded engine! Ok.... Generator to carry the load and battery to power the starter. Noel -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:19 AM Hi Brian, That is a beautiful instrument panel. I don't think the battery size should be determined by the type of flying you are doing. That should be considered when sizing the generator. The Generator should be big enough to keep the battery charged, recharge it after starting the engine, and power all the gizmos you will use at one time. I think the primary consideration for the battery is how much cranking power you need to start your engine. This could vary considerably from one engine to another and would also be impacted by the type of systems you have on the engine like carburetor vs. fuel injection. It would also vary considerably by the outside air temperatures you want to start your plane in. If you will keep your plane in tropical climates you need a smaller battery than if you live at the arctic circle. Perhaps the best way to start choosing a battery is talk to other owners of similar engines located near you and copy their choices. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 03:38 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote: Anyone have a dynon product, I have a D10A in my 701.For those interested. There is a new firmware update just out July 10th that enables the AOA tone to headset and has a full screen DG that keeps all the numbers right side up.Many other improvements also. I just powered up the completed Aerolectric Connection designed electrical system and its looking good!! I'm using a power supply on the battery terminals. Looking at batteries at B&C and wondering about Amp hours. Whats reasonable for VFR only. Id like to keep the weight and size of the battery on the low end. Maybe a local night flight not very often, mostly daytime. Any battery install pics in the back seat of a 701 helpful. I have a rotax 912 with the 20 Amp alternator. I've attached a pic of panel, hopefully seen at http://www.matronics.com/forums Lettering has been done with rub on letters and numbers from tower hobbies. Base paint is grey rustoleum glossy, letters applied and then applied a rustoleum flat clear coat. Used blue painters tape to line up letters and numbers to keep straight. It took alot of time but looks like a military style panel. This is posted to Aeroelectric List and Zenith list. Brian Zenith CH-701 Long Island, NY --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 73 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:06 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ban (Here is my picture of the day) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Randy, Nice picture. Do you have stiffeners on all the rear ribs? On mine the "L" stiffeners just go on the walkway near the cabin. Paul XL Fuselage do not archive ________________________________ Message 74 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:41 PM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a In a message dated 7/21/2006 5:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" > I am also the list owner of the Yahoo 701 builders email list > Yer also an A-hole Then you are Vulgar. Oh God please make it stop....the 5th grade is still a painful memory... and this silly crap on a site about building EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT is really testing my patience. Delete is a wonderful tool but one could hope that this group could consider itself a wee bit higher on the scale if not for any thing else than the subject matter at hand. Thank you J.D. Motis Do not archive ________________________________ Message 75 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:28 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Batteries and dynon update "Sorry about the size of these but I don't have time to shrink them right now, especially to dial up people." And Brian, where am I supposed to find the time to download 13508 KB of crap and have my mailbox go 143% over its limit? Very inconsiderate, to say the least. Cliff ________________________________ Message 76 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:40 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase Tom, Thanks, I am well pleased the way it turned out. As far as my testing, the only problems that I had were as following: 1. Had a heavy left wing..... corrected it by moving the bungee that keeps the elevator cables separated, the bungee was pulling on the stick. 2. My Stratomaster engine monitor would not read the correct RPM.........Sent back to Stratomaster, they sent a new one with the same results. Called up Matt and he said he would work on it with the factory, After a while they sent out another replacement with excellent results. There was some software problems which they corrected. They were very good to work with. My reccomendation is always check the Tach against an optical Tach. 3. My oil temps were hard to keep above 185 degrees during cold weather.....covered almost the entire oil cooler which also blocked the airflow to the heater muff. Installed an oil thermostat from Lockwood. Now the engine heats up quicker and I do not need any tape across my oil cooler. 4. Per Roger at Zenith I bent the trailing edge of my elevator so that it is in line with the centerline of the elevator. The bend was used for the lighter 60 HP Rotax. Now my trim tab stays in the middle during cruise. As far as numbers, I am only seeing about 80 MPH at 5500. This plane likes to fly at 70 MPH, pouring on the throttle only gains another 10 MPH. These are indicated airspeeds and from what my GPS says it seems to be fairly correct. I haven't had too many no wind days to try the GPS runs. I have a static port and from what I have read on the list if I use the cabin pressure for my static pressure, the airspped will read higher. I am looking into strut fairings and wheel pants to see if they help. Might also change my landing gear leaf to the carbon fiber one to save some weight. I added lots of "small goodies" and am paying for it in weight. I am having a real blast with the plane, haven't really checked the GPH that the Rotax burns but it isn't much. Never before have I flown any other plane and been able to really see what is on the ground below me. It is a totally different type of flying. Bob Spudis N701ZX CH701/912S do not archive In a message dated 7/21/2006 5:35:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, twalker@cableone.net writes: Bob That's a good picture of a pretty (to a 701 builder) plane. Could you give us an update on your testing phase? Thanks, Tommy Walker ________________________________ Message 77 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:26 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file A great way to scare the S#$%& out of a fellow. Sic a legal beagle (or is that legal eagle) on him!!! If, and that's a big If, you were to take Monty seriously than its a sad comment that we all need legislation to protect ourselves from his type. Seriously though I think he was just blowing off steam so we have to either take him with a grain of salt or.... arrest everyone on sight. That way you will be sure to get the kooks. P.S. I was once threatened with action by the FBI for asking about the constituents of C4 explosive. I was open about the fact that I wasn't interested in the processes or the quantities involved. In fact it was an assignment for a chemistry course I was doing at the time. I still think the U.S. is a reasonably free country in a world that is sitting on keg with a short fuse but.... if you can be threatened by a foreign federal police agency for asking questions in an open forum then, those same federal agents need to go back to school and learn about the freedom their country was built on. The other thing is if the person who sicced the FBI on me had told me that C4 was compound of shaving cream and 3 in 1 oil I would have believed him. I did eventually find the constituents of C4 and I won't recommend to any one to try and make any. The constituents alone are just too dangerous before being compounded. Please do not archive Noel -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:02 PM MG file Monty sounds a bit dangerous. Does anybody know this fellow? In Georgia the communicated threat of violence can be a felony of Terrorist Threats and Acts that carry a penalty of 1-5 years to serve. As this was done over the Internet across interstate wire comminution such acts could be a Federal charge. My advise is that any threat of violence to anyone on this list for any reason should result in immediate call to the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office. Can anyone identify who this Monty is and where he lives? I will be glad to make the call. Bill Phillips, Attorney at Law, Forsyth, Georgia N505WP, 601XL ________________________________ Message 78 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:26 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ban them from the list? ! Whatever... lol Thanks, I used Kirker brand Ultra-Glo- Acrylic Urethane with a clear coat. _www.smartshoppersinc.com_ (http://www.smartshoppersinc.com) In a message dated 7/21/2006 5:50:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, admin@arachnidrobotics.com writes: Absolutely beautiful aircraft Bob! Any idea what brand of paint was used? ________________________________ Message 79 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:31 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" LOL! I like the pipes...Scotch brite colours is something else. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sire > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:21 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE > that sends a 1 MG > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Sire" > > > I say ban anyone who does not use a broadband connection, > smokes, and > uses the wrong color of Scotchbrite pad (this specific combination > only). Not sure where I stand on the bagpipes yet. > > Doug Sire > 601XL - kit here but can't remember where I put it. > Do not archive and do knot archive too. > > Hopin' and urgin' and hitting mules on the head with a piece > of hickory > > are > > all still legal in this country. > > Get a grip, man. > > > > J.D. Motis > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 80 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:05 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Where's the prop go? That could make it to the Monster Garage!!! Jesse James would be amazed! Noel -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ruddiman Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 6:28 PM Bet you don't have one of these.. ________________________________ Message 81 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:57 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a What are you guys going to do??? Flog Monty severely with a wet codfish or take up lite beer? Noel -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joemotis@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:27 PM In a message dated 7/21/2006 3:39:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mgraves@usmo.com writes: Monty GRAVES 68 Brushy Fork RD Iberia, MO 65486 573-369-2973 Well, you sure sound like a trrrrrst to me. I'll bet you drink lite beer too. Hmmmmmmm... J.D. Motis Do not archive ________________________________ Message 82 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:49 PM PST US From: "Dave Thompson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sensenich wood prop Randy, Do a search on William Wynne's site or call him (flycorvair.com). He has done some research with Corvair/Sensenich wood props. I believe it was for the KR2. However, he might have also done work for aircraft in the 601 speed range too. I think I've even seen his 601 with a wood prop in some of his pictures. I'm sure a quick call to him should give you lots of info. Good Luck, Dave Thompson dave.thompson@verizon.net Do not Archive ________________________________ Message 83 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:34 PM PST US From: "j. davis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: So long, farewell --> Zenith-List message posted by: "j. davis" Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote: > Hi guys, > > I have been on this list for some 7 years and have enjoyed reading and > sharing my experiences where I can. The trouble is I am getting WAY to > mch email and with the recent addition of pictures I have a concern that > I may start appearing on the hit list of my company's "bad boy" email list. > > As many of you know I have now sold the HDS and am nearing the > completion of an RV7a. This meant another bunch of lists and groups to > join and, well, something has to go. > > I wish you all fun with your projects and a number of you who need my > input have my email address on file. If you need my input feel free to > drop me a note. > > Cheers and best reagrds > > Frank > HDS 400 hours...Sold and mmoving on. Bye for now, Frank. You have been one of the contributors that I have come to rely on for good, solid information (especially on fuel systems ;') Take care, and see you on the RV lists! -- Regards, J. flying: Zenith STOL CH701/912 C-IGGY, 350 hrs. building: Sonex #325, Jabiru 3300/6, 85% completed +-------------------------------------------------------+ | J. Davis, M.Sc. | (computer science) | | *NIX consulting, SysAdmin | jd at lawsonimaging.ca | | c/o Brandywine Aviation | voice: 519.289.1527 | | Appin, ON, CA | http://www.cleco.ca | | N42 47.33 W081 36.50 31/13 | 2000+ x 60', elev: 740' | +-------------------------------------------------------+ To most people the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home. Get your priorities straight. No one ever said on their death bed, "Gee, if I'd only spent more time at work". ________________________________ Message 84 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:06 PM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: West coast guys!! Is there anyone within a couple hundred miles of Lakeview, OR that would be willing to take my wife for a ride in a 601. She is really wanting to see what it is like in one. I have a video from my trip to the factory and demo flight, but she wants to feel it. I will fill your tank if you will take her on a small flight. My kids can wait until my plane is done. Lakeview is located where California, Oregon and Nevada meet. Larry Husky Lakeview, OR 601XL / Corvair Building Fuse Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 85 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:46 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sensenich wood prop Thanks, but unless it's a 601HD it's just going to be an educated guess since the cruise speeds are different. I called Sensenich and they don't have anyone on record with a HD/Vair. He did some comparison between what William has vs. other Corvair powered planes and came up with the recommendation of a 64X39. That also falls in close with the calculator on the Culver props web page. I'll eventually talk to William about it. Right now I figure he's going to be unavailable until mid August because of Oshkosh and vacation. Randy Stout San Antonio, TX n282rs"at"earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: 7/21/2006 10:06:47 PM Randy, Do a search on William Wynnes site or call him (flycorvair.com). He has done some research with Corvair/Sensenich wood props. I believe it was for the KR2. However, he might have also done work for aircraft in the 601 speed range too. I think Ive even seen his 601 with a wood prop in some of his pictures. Im sure a quick call to him should give you lots of info. Good Luck, Dave Thompson dave.thompson@verizon.net Do not Archive ________________________________ Message 86 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:04 PM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: So long, farewell Hi Frank, all the best to you and hope to meet you again on the RV list. Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:32 PM Subject: Zenith-List: So long, farewell Hi guys, I have been on this list for some 7 years and have enjoyed reading and sharing my experiences where I can. The trouble is I am getting WAY to mch email and with the recent addition of pictures I have a concern that I may start appearing on the hit list of my company's "bad boy" email list. As many of you know I have now sold the HDS and am nearing the completion of an RV7a. This meant another bunch of lists and groups to join and, well, something has to go. I wish you all fun with your projects and a number of you who need my input have my email address on file. If you need my input feel free to drop me a note. Cheers and best reagrds Frank HDS 400 hours...Sold and mmoving on. ________________________________ Message 87 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:04 PM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Zenith-List: Recent posting Hi folks, I have been on this list since 1998. During this time I have completed a CH 601 HDS, which I'm now flying since 5 years. The list has proven to me invaluable - without it,I would have had a much harder time to build the airplane. My plans are to build another airplane - either a Cozy Mark IV (for which I have the plans already) or an RV 8A. Although having already completed the CH 601 HDS I have stayed on this list to help some novice builder and also get some new ideas about flying technique and modification ideas. However, the quality of the posting on this list have deterioted especially over the last few weeks. I had always thought, that the builders are an especially friendly and helpful bunch. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Mainly for this reason, but also since I want to move on to other airplanes I will leave this list. I wish all of you the very best. Thilo Kind CH 601 HDS