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1. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: 701 testing phase (Tommy Walker)
2. 06:51 AM - Re: Recent posting (Robert L. Stone)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: 701 testing phase (Chuck Deiterich)
4. 08:53 AM - HomebuiltHelp DVD's (Dave)
5. 08:53 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (DICK WILBERS)
6. 08:53 AM - Re: Recent posting (Edward Moody II)
7. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Batteries and dynon update (Chip W Erwin)
8. 09:01 AM - Take a breath (Richard Vetterli)
9. 10:18 AM - Re: So long, farewell (Jack Russell)
10. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: 701 testing phase (NYTerminat@aol.com)
11. 11:03 AM - Inspection plates (Richard Vetterli)
12. 11:03 AM - My 601 hds (bill scaggs)
13. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: 701 testing phase (Tommy Walker)
14. 05:10 PM - Re: Recent posting (Steve Hulland)
15. 05:47 PM - Re: Introduction and Fuel Systems (trying to keep it brief!) (zuluonecat)
16. 05:48 PM - What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing edge? (John Marzulli)
17. 06:20 PM - Zenith new 701 FWF kit (LouB)
18. 06:38 PM - Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trai... (Jaybannist@cs.com)
19. 06:50 PM - No offense meant (Larry)
20. 07:22 PM - Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator (Robert Schoenberger)
21. 07:29 PM - New Zenith FWF for 701 (Mark Sherman)
22. 07:33 PM - Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing edge? (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
23. 08:48 PM - Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing edge? (Dave Ruddiman)
24. 11:34 PM - Re: Re: 601 Hat with tail number (Roger Venables)
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| Subject: | RE: 701 testing phase |
Bob,
I plan to put in a static port too. Where did you locate yours? My plans
are to put it on the left side just in front of the door. That's were it
was on my Cessna 175 and it worked well.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
NYTerminat@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:58 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase
Tom,
Thanks, I am well pleased the way it turned out. As far as my testing, the
only problems that I had were as following:
1. Had a heavy left wing..... corrected it by moving the bungee that keeps
the elevator cables separated, the bungee was pulling on the stick.
2. My Stratomaster engine monitor would not read the correct
RPM.........Sent back to Stratomaster, they sent a new one with the same
results. Called up Matt and he said he would work on it with the factory,
After a while they sent out another replacement with excellent results.
There was some software problems which they corrected. They were very good
to work with. My reccomendation is always check the Tach against an optical
Tach.
3. My oil temps were hard to keep above 185 degrees during cold
weather.....covered almost the entire oil cooler which also blocked the
airflow to the heater muff. Installed an oil thermostat from Lockwood. Now
the engine heats up quicker and I do not need any tape across my oil cooler.
4. Per Roger at Zenith I bent the trailing edge of my elevator so that it
is in line with the centerline of the elevator. The bend was used for the
lighter 60 HP Rotax. Now my trim tab stays in the middle during cruise.
As far as numbers, I am only seeing about 80 MPH at 5500. This plane likes
to fly at 70 MPH, pouring on the throttle only gains another 10 MPH. These
are indicated airspeeds and from what my GPS says it seems to be fairly
correct. I haven't had too many no wind days to try the GPS runs. I have a
static port and from what I have read on the list if I use the cabin
pressure for my static pressure, the airspped will read higher. I am
looking into strut fairings and wheel pants to see if they help. Might also
change my landing gear leaf to the carbon fiber one to save some weight. I
added lots of "small goodies" and am paying for it in weight.
I am having a real blast with the plane, haven't really checked the GPH
that the Rotax burns but it isn't much. Never before have I flown any other
plane and been able to really see what is on the ground below me. It is a
totally different type of flying.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX CH701/912S
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In a message dated 7/21/2006 5:35:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
twalker@cableone.net writes:
Bob
That's a good picture of a pretty (to a 701 builder) plane.
Could you give us an update on your testing phase?
Thanks,
Tommy Walker
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| Subject: | Re: Recent posting |
Thilo,
It's a shame that there are people on the list who are so
disagreeable that they run others with valuable information off. I
would ask you to reconsider your decision to leave the list. Just
remember all the help you got and now with your experience you can pass
along to others who need it. Most of the time the people who make
trouble have nothing to offer anyway and should be removed from the
list. There are nice and polite ways to disagree which should be
practiced by all.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
Zodiac XL (Not too far along)
----- Original Message -----
From: Thilo Kind
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Recent posting
Hi folks,
I have been on this list since 1998. During this time I have completed
a CH 601 HDS, which I'm now flying since 5 years. The list has proven to
me invaluable - without it,I would have had a much harder time to build
the airplane.
My plans are to build another airplane - either a Cozy Mark IV (for
which I have the plans already) or an RV 8A.
Although having already completed the CH 601 HDS I have stayed on this
list to help some novice builder and also get some new ideas about
flying technique and modification ideas. However, the quality of the
posting on this list have deterioted especially over the last few weeks.
I had always thought, that the builders are an especially friendly and
helpful bunch. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Mainly for this
reason, but also since I want to move on to other airplanes I will leave
this list.
I wish all of you the very best.
Thilo Kind
CH 601 HDS
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 701 testing phase |
I do not have a static port. My pitot tube is from Aircraft Spruce (P/N
15135) and is located under the wing like ZAC's 701. I bought a
replacement with a static port (P/N 15144) that will be located using
the same anchor nuts and backing plate. When I pull the wings to paint
them, I will install the new tube with static port. As it is, when I
open the vents in the doors I see about a 3 mile reduction in indicated
air speed.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Tommy Walker
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase
Bob,
I plan to put in a static port too. Where did you locate yours? My
plans are to put it on the left side just in front of the door. That's
were it was on my Cessna 175 and it worked well.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | HomebuiltHelp DVD's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
I received a DVD yesterday from the HomebuiltHelp series. Friendly and
helpful is certainly the theme of the disc I watched, the sound and video
are clear and the camera is not shaky at all which has been a problem with
some videos I've watched in the past. I've got another coming and if it is
the same quality as the one one I've watched I have no problem at all
suggesting they would be of help to most people. There are a number of
titles in the series covering many aspects of building, registering and
launching an aircraft.
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| Subject: | Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS" <RWILBERS@TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
Dear Matt: I think the proper process would be to ban Monty Graves.
Incidentally, I have already built a plane and sometimes enjoy perusing the
Zenith List, but not for this type of dribble.
Richard in Florida
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Monty Graves
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 7:13 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Mat Dralle,
Please ban from the Zenith list anyone that sends a I MG byte file or
larger......
Another 1 MG file was sent last evening........
Some of these guys are too stupid to build an airplane.........
Or maybe we can identify them at the Zenith Builders dinner at OSH, and beat
the shit out of them instead.....
absolutely archive this message.
Monty Graves
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| Subject: | Re: Recent posting |
For what it's worth, I agree. We've been through a rather ugly week
here...... stop and consider a while before mirroring these actions by
"taking your ball and walking home from the playground". You were here
for definite reasons..... have those reasons changed or ceased to exist?
If so, I wish you good times ahead. If the reasons still exist, ignore
the noise and hang in here with us. I've still got to finish a wing, the
fuselage, and the dreaded FWF. Might beI'll need some help.
Ed Moosy II
Rayne, LA
601XL / 2nd wing
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Recent posting
Thilo,
It's a shame that there are people on the list who are so
disagreeable that they run others with valuable information off. I
would ask you to reconsider your decision to leave the list. Just
remember all the help you got and now with your experience you can pass
along to others who need it.
Subject: Zenith-List: Recent posting
Hi folks,
I have been on this list since 1998.
the quality of the posting on this list have deterioted especially
over the last few weeks. I had always thought, that the builders are an
especially friendly and helpful bunch. This doesn't seem to be the case
anymore. Mainly for this reason, but also since I want to move on to
other airplanes I will leave this list.
I wish all of you the very best.
Thilo Kind
CH 601 HDS
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| Subject: | Re: Batteries and dynon update |
Sorry folks, but I am signing off this list. I am traveling often and when
someone sends 10+mb of photos it blocks my e-mails.
Do not archieve
CWE
Chip W. Erwin
CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS
LUCNI 1824
686 02
STARE MESTO, CZECH REPUBLIC
TEL: +420 572 543 456
FAX: +420 572 543 692
USA FAX: 772-264-0936
Mobile: +420 602 342 717
E-MAIL: AIRCRAFT@CZAW.CZ
WWW.AIRPLANE.CZ
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RURUNY@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 4:04 AM
Keith,
The only instructions were in a newer version of the plans showing a vague
drawing
of the installation. The tanks mount directly outside the inboard tanks. The
only difference in the aux tanks is the finger screen comes out the rear
inboard of the tank.
Everything else was just doubled in the kit. Problem I'm working on now is
how to fit the 2 gascolaters with the straight hose barbs around the flap
handle as in the plan but in reality it will not work. I am thinking of
going with metal lines and AN fittings from the wing root to in behind the
seat to the selector valve. Selector valve is OFF- INBD tanks -OUTBD tanks.
Here are a few pics of the tanks installed.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
C'mon everybody, take a breath, this is getting
insane. Yesterdays list had 87 posts, of which 28
were relevant to building or flying a Zenith Aircraft.
For those of us that use this list as a valuable
resource, it's getting really hard to cut through the
crap to get to the real posts. Please, take the rants
and raves to some other list and leave this one clean
and useful.
Do Not Archive
Rich Vetterli
601XL/Corvair
Tail complete, working on wings and engine
See it at: www. geocities.com/stixx5a
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| Subject: | Re: So long, farewell |
See ya Frank: Thanks for your help. I have always appreciated your input during
my build process. Your thoughts on the fuel system made me think twice about
everything I did. So far I have about 50 hrs and no fuel problems so some of
the things you mentioned must have been right ; ) Good luck in building the
RV. I hope it is as much fun as the Zodie. Jack in Los Osos ca
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 701 testing phase |
Tommy
This is where I put mine, if I remember it was suggested by Gary Gower. If I
had to do it all over I would get a pitiot/static combo tube and not use the
one from Zenith
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 7/22/2006 10:13:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cffd@pgrb.com writes:
I do not have a static port. My pitot tube is from Aircraft Spruce (P/N
15135) and is located under the wing like ZAC's 701. I bought a replacement
with a static port (P/N 15144) that will be located using the same anchor nuts
and backing plate. When I pull the wings to paint them, I will install the
new tube with static port. As it is, when I open the vents in the doors I see
about a 3 mile reduction in indicated air speed.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:22 AM
Bob,
I plan to put in a static port too. Where did you locate yours? My plans
are to put it on the left side just in front of the door. That's were it was
on my Cessna 175 and it worked well.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | Inspection plates |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
I just purchased two concave inspection plates from
ASS and they are a perfect fit for the fuel level
sender access I cut on the top of the wing. However,
do they stay on using only the springs or should I
drill a few holes for screws or rivets? They seem
pretty secure as is.
Rich Vetterli
601XL/Corvair
Check it out at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a
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Lost med. will sell my 601hds project. Fus. on wheel, tail done.
Dannon10a, instruments and O200. Dallas area. 18k.
E-mail to talk.
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| Subject: | RE: 701 testing phase |
Thanks Chuck.
Tommy Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Deiterich
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:11 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase
I do not have a static port. My pitot tube is from Aircraft Spruce (P/N
15135) and is located under the wing like ZAC's 701. I bought a replacement
with a static port (P/N 15144) that will be located using the same anchor
nuts and backing plate. When I pull the wings to paint them, I will install
the new tube with static port. As it is, when I open the vents in the doors
I see about a 3 mile reduction in indicated air speed.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Tommy Walker
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase
Bob,
I plan to put in a static port too. Where did you locate yours? My
plans are to put it on the left side just in front of the door. That's were
it was on my Cessna 175 and it worked well.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Recent posting |
All,
I have been attempting to stay out of this one. However, long and large
attachments are not the way to make friends and influence people. Yep, I get
mad once in a while - like when we got the add for a Condo. But, I quickly
get over it and if the person sends a "Whoops", I get over it even easier.
Still, no excuse for sending large files that cause such a problem with
people who have dial up. There are many places in the US and the world,
where dial up is a blessing because it allows access to the internet. If I,
or anyone else is fortunate enough to have high speed of some kind, we owe
it to others to be respectfull. If we cannot do that, then we should simply
get off the list.
I have only been on a year or so, but see no reason to continue if the
inconsiderate actions of a few cause the list to be less than enjoyable.
Please give your thoughts and actions s bit of thought.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned
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free email and attachments.
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction and Fuel Systems (trying to keep it brief!) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "zuluonecat" <easternflyingclub@hotmail.com>
Thanks very much for your reply George, I will source a restrictor (I've seen a
restrictor 'T' that would be perfect) to bleed fuel and vapour back to the tank.
Simple job, as I have a guage at line pressure on the panel, and the top
tank connector is redundant and blocked off at the moment.
Cheers!
Chris.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49355#49355
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| Subject: | What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing |
edge?
Does anyone have a solution to getting those rivets driven without ordering
a rivet squeezer from Wicks or AS?
Can I just use a pair of pliers to smash them?
Thanks
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Zenith new 701 FWF kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LouB" <LBuckley122@comcast.net>
The Zenith factory site has some pictures and data on a new Rotax 912 FWF kit for
the 701. It looks quite aerodynamic. Anyone now what kind of cruise and top
speed improvements might be expected. Are they going to include fairings for
the wing struts too?
Thanks,
Lou
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| Subject: | Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator |
trai...
John, If you are talking about the little 3/32" rivets for the nutplates,
here is what I did:
Since the rivets are countersunk, I countersunk the holes with a 7/32" drill
bit (the same one I used to open the screw holes). For construction of the
tail, wings and fuselage, I have various lengths of 2" x 2" structural steel
tubes. I placed the rivet head side on top of one of these tubes. I used a 1/4"
x 1" steel bolt as a "rivet smasher." I placed the tip of the bolt on the
end of the rivet and gave it two or three smart whacks with a hammer to the head
of the bolt. These are pretty soft rivets so that's all it takes.
If you are scratch building a spar and talking about those rivets, I plead
complete ignorance.
Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
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| Subject: | No offense meant |
No offense meant guys/gals, but I am tired of getting 30/40 e-mails each
day and most of them are not interesting and/or the same old stuff.
This bickering really wears one out. Ya'll keep checking my site for
changes and keep up the good work. Take care,
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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| Subject: | Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
John Marzulli wrote:
> Does anyone have a solution to getting those rivets driven without
> ordering a rivet squeezer from Wicks or AS?
>
> Can I just use a pair of pliers to smash them?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> John Marzulli
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
John . . . I tried a small ball peen hammer, and the results were
terrible. I think pliers would be equally so. Robert Schoenberger
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| Subject: | New Zenith FWF for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
Just visited the Zenith web site to check out the new
FWF. They have painted the lower cowl black to make
it look like it is much more sleek.
I missed where they put the oil cooler and I'm
disappointed that they still aren't supporting the
true 100HP Rotax by using the Rotax air box with cold
air intake and carb heat. You loose about 10HP using
the hot air in the cowling. I would of thought that
with a makeover like that, they would make whatever
adjustments necessary to get all the horse power you
could out of the engine you paid extra for.
Mark S.
701/912S
SkyShops FWF
Painting in CA
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| Subject: | What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator |
trailing edge?
John,
Try this link
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ch701builder/album?.dir=/b1ccscd
I do not remember where I got the pictures, but that is what I am
planning on using.
Good luck
Keith
CH701 -- 8% -- scratch
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat 7/22/2006 6:48 PM
elevator trailing edge?
Does anyone have a solution to getting those rivets driven without
ordering
a rivet squeezer from Wicks or AS?
Can I just use a pair of pliers to smash them?
Thanks
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator |
trailing edge?
You can borrow my squeezer for a little while. I have the dimple dies
and the flat dies for setting them. I don't know if it would be worth
the postage or not.
Dave in Salem
801
----- Original Message -----
From: John Marzulli
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's
elevator trailing edge?
Does anyone have a solution to getting those rivets driven without
ordering a rivet squeezer from Wicks or AS?
Can I just use a pair of pliers to smash them?
Thanks
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John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Hat with tail number |
Add me to the 701 hat list?
Roger Venables
N143TZ
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NYTerminat@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:00 PM
Me too.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX
In a message dated 7/18/2006 7:55:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
stol10@comcast.net writes:
Please tell your friend that I'd like one for a 701.......Geoff
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