---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/22/06: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: 701 testing phase (Tommy Walker) 2. 06:51 AM - Re: Recent posting (Robert L. Stone) 3. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: 701 testing phase (Chuck Deiterich) 4. 08:53 AM - HomebuiltHelp DVD's (Dave) 5. 08:53 AM - Re: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file (DICK WILBERS) 6. 08:53 AM - Re: Recent posting (Edward Moody II) 7. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Batteries and dynon update (Chip W Erwin) 8. 09:01 AM - Take a breath (Richard Vetterli) 9. 10:18 AM - Re: So long, farewell (Jack Russell) 10. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: 701 testing phase (NYTerminat@aol.com) 11. 11:03 AM - Inspection plates (Richard Vetterli) 12. 11:03 AM - My 601 hds (bill scaggs) 13. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: 701 testing phase (Tommy Walker) 14. 05:10 PM - Re: Recent posting (Steve Hulland) 15. 05:47 PM - Re: Introduction and Fuel Systems (trying to keep it brief!) (zuluonecat) 16. 05:48 PM - What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing edge? (John Marzulli) 17. 06:20 PM - Zenith new 701 FWF kit (LouB) 18. 06:38 PM - Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trai... (Jaybannist@cs.com) 19. 06:50 PM - No offense meant (Larry) 20. 07:22 PM - Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator (Robert Schoenberger) 21. 07:29 PM - New Zenith FWF for 701 (Mark Sherman) 22. 07:33 PM - Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing edge? (Ashcraft, Keith -AES) 23. 08:48 PM - Re: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing edge? (Dave Ruddiman) 24. 11:34 PM - Re: Re: 601 Hat with tail number (Roger Venables) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:50 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase Bob, I plan to put in a static port too. Where did you locate yours? My plans are to put it on the left side just in front of the door. That's were it was on my Cessna 175 and it worked well. Any thoughts appreciated. Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of NYTerminat@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:58 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase Tom, Thanks, I am well pleased the way it turned out. As far as my testing, the only problems that I had were as following: 1. Had a heavy left wing..... corrected it by moving the bungee that keeps the elevator cables separated, the bungee was pulling on the stick. 2. My Stratomaster engine monitor would not read the correct RPM.........Sent back to Stratomaster, they sent a new one with the same results. Called up Matt and he said he would work on it with the factory, After a while they sent out another replacement with excellent results. There was some software problems which they corrected. They were very good to work with. My reccomendation is always check the Tach against an optical Tach. 3. My oil temps were hard to keep above 185 degrees during cold weather.....covered almost the entire oil cooler which also blocked the airflow to the heater muff. Installed an oil thermostat from Lockwood. Now the engine heats up quicker and I do not need any tape across my oil cooler. 4. Per Roger at Zenith I bent the trailing edge of my elevator so that it is in line with the centerline of the elevator. The bend was used for the lighter 60 HP Rotax. Now my trim tab stays in the middle during cruise. As far as numbers, I am only seeing about 80 MPH at 5500. This plane likes to fly at 70 MPH, pouring on the throttle only gains another 10 MPH. These are indicated airspeeds and from what my GPS says it seems to be fairly correct. I haven't had too many no wind days to try the GPS runs. I have a static port and from what I have read on the list if I use the cabin pressure for my static pressure, the airspped will read higher. I am looking into strut fairings and wheel pants to see if they help. Might also change my landing gear leaf to the carbon fiber one to save some weight. I added lots of "small goodies" and am paying for it in weight. I am having a real blast with the plane, haven't really checked the GPH that the Rotax burns but it isn't much. Never before have I flown any other plane and been able to really see what is on the ground below me. It is a totally different type of flying. Bob Spudis N701ZX CH701/912S do not archive In a message dated 7/21/2006 5:35:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, twalker@cableone.net writes: Bob That's a good picture of a pretty (to a 701 builder) plane. Could you give us an update on your testing phase? Thanks, Tommy Walker ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:27 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Recent posting Thilo, It's a shame that there are people on the list who are so disagreeable that they run others with valuable information off. I would ask you to reconsider your decision to leave the list. Just remember all the help you got and now with your experience you can pass along to others who need it. Most of the time the people who make trouble have nothing to offer anyway and should be removed from the list. There are nice and polite ways to disagree which should be practiced by all. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx Zodiac XL (Not too far along) ----- Original Message ----- From: Thilo Kind To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Recent posting Hi folks, I have been on this list since 1998. During this time I have completed a CH 601 HDS, which I'm now flying since 5 years. The list has proven to me invaluable - without it,I would have had a much harder time to build the airplane. My plans are to build another airplane - either a Cozy Mark IV (for which I have the plans already) or an RV 8A. Although having already completed the CH 601 HDS I have stayed on this list to help some novice builder and also get some new ideas about flying technique and modification ideas. However, the quality of the posting on this list have deterioted especially over the last few weeks. I had always thought, that the builders are an especially friendly and helpful bunch. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Mainly for this reason, but also since I want to move on to other airplanes I will leave this list. I wish all of you the very best. Thilo Kind CH 601 HDS ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:27 AM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase I do not have a static port. My pitot tube is from Aircraft Spruce (P/N 15135) and is located under the wing like ZAC's 701. I bought a replacement with a static port (P/N 15144) that will be located using the same anchor nuts and backing plate. When I pull the wings to paint them, I will install the new tube with static port. As it is, when I open the vents in the doors I see about a 3 mile reduction in indicated air speed. Chuck D. N701TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Tommy Walker To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase Bob, I plan to put in a static port too. Where did you locate yours? My plans are to put it on the left side just in front of the door. That's were it was on my Cessna 175 and it worked well. Any thoughts appreciated. Tommy Walker in Alabama ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:25 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Zenith-List: HomebuiltHelp DVD's --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" I received a DVD yesterday from the HomebuiltHelp series. Friendly and helpful is certainly the theme of the disc I watched, the sound and video are clear and the camera is not shaky at all which has been a problem with some videos I've watched in the past. I've got another coming and if it is the same quality as the one one I've watched I have no problem at all suggesting they would be of help to most people. There are a number of titles in the series covering many aspects of building, registering and launching an aircraft. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:55 AM PST US From: "DICK WILBERS" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Please Ban from the list ANYONE that sends a 1 MG file --> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS" Dear Matt: I think the proper process would be to ban Monty Graves. Incidentally, I have already built a plane and sometimes enjoy perusing the Zenith List, but not for this type of dribble. Richard in Florida Do not archive -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Monty Graves Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 7:13 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves Mat Dralle, Please ban from the Zenith list anyone that sends a I MG byte file or larger...... Another 1 MG file was sent last evening........ Some of these guys are too stupid to build an airplane......... Or maybe we can identify them at the Zenith Builders dinner at OSH, and beat the shit out of them instead..... absolutely archive this message. Monty Graves ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:55 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Recent posting For what it's worth, I agree. We've been through a rather ugly week here...... stop and consider a while before mirroring these actions by "taking your ball and walking home from the playground". You were here for definite reasons..... have those reasons changed or ceased to exist? If so, I wish you good times ahead. If the reasons still exist, ignore the noise and hang in here with us. I've still got to finish a wing, the fuselage, and the dreaded FWF. Might beI'll need some help. Ed Moosy II Rayne, LA 601XL / 2nd wing Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Stone To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Recent posting Thilo, It's a shame that there are people on the list who are so disagreeable that they run others with valuable information off. I would ask you to reconsider your decision to leave the list. Just remember all the help you got and now with your experience you can pass along to others who need it. Subject: Zenith-List: Recent posting Hi folks, I have been on this list since 1998. the quality of the posting on this list have deterioted especially over the last few weeks. I had always thought, that the builders are an especially friendly and helpful bunch. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Mainly for this reason, but also since I want to move on to other airplanes I will leave this list. I wish all of you the very best. Thilo Kind CH 601 HDS ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:40 AM PST US From: "Chip W Erwin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Batteries and dynon update Sorry folks, but I am signing off this list. I am traveling often and when someone sends 10+mb of photos it blocks my e-mails. Do not archieve CWE Chip W. Erwin CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS LUCNI 1824 686 02 STARE MESTO, CZECH REPUBLIC TEL: +420 572 543 456 FAX: +420 572 543 692 USA FAX: 772-264-0936 Mobile: +420 602 342 717 E-MAIL: AIRCRAFT@CZAW.CZ WWW.AIRPLANE.CZ _____ [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RURUNY@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 4:04 AM Keith, The only instructions were in a newer version of the plans showing a vague drawing of the installation. The tanks mount directly outside the inboard tanks. The only difference in the aux tanks is the finger screen comes out the rear inboard of the tank. Everything else was just doubled in the kit. Problem I'm working on now is how to fit the 2 gascolaters with the straight hose barbs around the flap handle as in the plan but in reality it will not work. I am thinking of going with metal lines and AN fittings from the wing root to in behind the seat to the selector valve. Selector valve is OFF- INBD tanks -OUTBD tanks. Here are a few pics of the tanks installed. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:09 AM PST US From: Richard Vetterli Subject: Zenith-List: Take a breath --> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli C'mon everybody, take a breath, this is getting insane. Yesterdays list had 87 posts, of which 28 were relevant to building or flying a Zenith Aircraft. For those of us that use this list as a valuable resource, it's getting really hard to cut through the crap to get to the real posts. Please, take the rants and raves to some other list and leave this one clean and useful. Do Not Archive Rich Vetterli 601XL/Corvair Tail complete, working on wings and engine See it at: www. geocities.com/stixx5a __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:08 AM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: So long, farewell See ya Frank: Thanks for your help. I have always appreciated your input during my build process. Your thoughts on the fuel system made me think twice about everything I did. So far I have about 50 hrs and no fuel problems so some of the things you mentioned must have been right ; ) Good luck in building the RV. I hope it is as much fun as the Zodie. Jack in Los Osos ca Jack Russell -Clovis CA 601 XL Jabiru 3300 Progress update at: http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:29 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase Tommy This is where I put mine, if I remember it was suggested by Gary Gower. If I had to do it all over I would get a pitiot/static combo tube and not use the one from Zenith Bob Spudis In a message dated 7/22/2006 10:13:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cffd@pgrb.com writes: I do not have a static port. My pitot tube is from Aircraft Spruce (P/N 15135) and is located under the wing like ZAC's 701. I bought a replacement with a static port (P/N 15144) that will be located using the same anchor nuts and backing plate. When I pull the wings to paint them, I will install the new tube with static port. As it is, when I open the vents in the doors I see about a 3 mile reduction in indicated air speed. Chuck D. N701TX ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:22 AM Bob, I plan to put in a static port too. Where did you locate yours? My plans are to put it on the left side just in front of the door. That's were it was on my Cessna 175 and it worked well. Any thoughts appreciated. Tommy Walker in Alabama ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:29 AM PST US From: Richard Vetterli Subject: Zenith-List: Inspection plates --> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli I just purchased two concave inspection plates from ASS and they are a perfect fit for the fuel level sender access I cut on the top of the wing. However, do they stay on using only the springs or should I drill a few holes for screws or rivets? They seem pretty secure as is. Rich Vetterli 601XL/Corvair Check it out at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:29 AM PST US From: "bill scaggs" Subject: Zenith-List: My 601 hds Lost med. will sell my 601hds project. Fus. on wheel, tail done. Dannon10a, instruments and O200. Dallas area. 18k. E-mail to talk. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:08 PM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase Thanks Chuck. Tommy Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Deiterich Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:11 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase I do not have a static port. My pitot tube is from Aircraft Spruce (P/N 15135) and is located under the wing like ZAC's 701. I bought a replacement with a static port (P/N 15144) that will be located using the same anchor nuts and backing plate. When I pull the wings to paint them, I will install the new tube with static port. As it is, when I open the vents in the doors I see about a 3 mile reduction in indicated air speed. Chuck D. N701TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Tommy Walker To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: 701 testing phase Bob, I plan to put in a static port too. Where did you locate yours? My plans are to put it on the left side just in front of the door. That's were it was on my Cessna 175 and it worked well. Any thoughts appreciated. Tommy Walker in Alabama ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:35 PM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Recent posting All, I have been attempting to stay out of this one. However, long and large attachments are not the way to make friends and influence people. Yep, I get mad once in a while - like when we got the add for a Condo. But, I quickly get over it and if the person sends a "Whoops", I get over it even easier. Still, no excuse for sending large files that cause such a problem with people who have dial up. There are many places in the US and the world, where dial up is a blessing because it allows access to the internet. If I, or anyone else is fortunate enough to have high speed of some kind, we owe it to others to be respectfull. If we cannot do that, then we should simply get off the list. I have only been on a year or so, but see no reason to continue if the inconsiderate actions of a few cause the list to be less than enjoyable. Please give your thoughts and actions s bit of thought. -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:04 PM PST US From: "zuluonecat" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Introduction and Fuel Systems (trying to keep it brief!) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "zuluonecat" Thanks very much for your reply George, I will source a restrictor (I've seen a restrictor 'T' that would be perfect) to bleed fuel and vapour back to the tank. Simple job, as I have a guage at line pressure on the panel, and the top tank connector is redundant and blocked off at the moment. Cheers! Chris. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49355#49355 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:59 PM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Zenith-List: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing edge? Does anyone have a solution to getting those rivets driven without ordering a rivet squeezer from Wicks or AS? Can I just use a pair of pliers to smash them? Thanks -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:16 PM PST US From: "LouB" Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith new 701 FWF kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: "LouB" The Zenith factory site has some pictures and data on a new Rotax 912 FWF kit for the 701. It looks quite aerodynamic. Anyone now what kind of cruise and top speed improvements might be expected. Are they going to include fairings for the wing struts too? Thanks, Lou Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49363#49363 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:49 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trai... John, If you are talking about the little 3/32" rivets for the nutplates, here is what I did: Since the rivets are countersunk, I countersunk the holes with a 7/32" drill bit (the same one I used to open the screw holes). For construction of the tail, wings and fuselage, I have various lengths of 2" x 2" structural steel tubes. I placed the rivet head side on top of one of these tubes. I used a 1/4" x 1" steel bolt as a "rivet smasher." I placed the tip of the bolt on the end of the rivet and gave it two or three smart whacks with a hammer to the head of the bolt. These are pretty soft rivets so that's all it takes. If you are scratch building a spar and talking about those rivets, I plead complete ignorance. Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:23 PM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Zenith-List: No offense meant No offense meant guys/gals, but I am tired of getting 30/40 e-mails each day and most of them are not interesting and/or the same old stuff. This bickering really wears one out. Ya'll keep checking my site for changes and keep up the good work. Take care, Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:02 PM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger John Marzulli wrote: > Does anyone have a solution to getting those rivets driven without > ordering a rivet squeezer from Wicks or AS? > > Can I just use a pair of pliers to smash them? > > > Thanks > > -- > John Marzulli > http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ John . . . I tried a small ball peen hammer, and the results were terrible. I think pliers would be equally so. Robert Schoenberger ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:15 PM PST US From: Mark Sherman Subject: Zenith-List: New Zenith FWF for 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman Just visited the Zenith web site to check out the new FWF. They have painted the lower cowl black to make it look like it is much more sleek. I missed where they put the oil cooler and I'm disappointed that they still aren't supporting the true 100HP Rotax by using the Rotax air box with cold air intake and carb heat. You loose about 10HP using the hot air in the cowling. I would of thought that with a makeover like that, they would make whatever adjustments necessary to get all the horse power you could out of the engine you paid extra for. Mark S. 701/912S SkyShops FWF Painting in CA __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:07 PM PST US From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing edge? John, Try this link http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ch701builder/album?.dir=/b1ccscd I do not remember where I got the pictures, but that is what I am planning on using. Good luck Keith CH701 -- 8% -- scratch N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' -----Original Message----- Sent: Sat 7/22/2006 6:48 PM elevator trailing edge? Does anyone have a solution to getting those rivets driven without ordering a rivet squeezer from Wicks or AS? Can I just use a pair of pliers to smash them? Thanks -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intende d solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If yo u have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and d o not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mai l. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:02 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing edge? You can borrow my squeezer for a little while. I have the dimple dies and the flat dies for setting them. I don't know if it would be worth the postage or not. Dave in Salem 801 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Marzulli To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Zenith-List: What to do about the solid rivets on the 701's elevator trailing edge? Does anyone have a solution to getting those rivets driven without ordering a rivet squeezer from Wicks or AS? Can I just use a pair of pliers to smash them? Thanks -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:13 PM PST US From: "Roger Venables" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601 Hat with tail number Add me to the 701 hat list? Roger Venables N143TZ _____ [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerminat@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:00 PM Me too. Bob Spudis N701ZX In a message dated 7/18/2006 7:55:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stol10@comcast.net writes: Please tell your friend that I'd like one for a 701.......Geoff