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1. 12:03 AM - Re: So long, farewell (Gary Gower)
2. 07:32 AM - Re: Finished part storage. ()
3. 07:44 AM - Re: Finished part storage. (Keith Ashcraft)
4. 08:16 AM - Heavy left wing (Jim)
5. 08:55 AM - Re: Resized Picture resized again (Robert L. Stone)
6. 09:03 AM - Re: Finished part storage. (Jaybannist@cs.com)
7. 09:12 AM - Re: Heavy left wing (Chuck Deiterich)
8. 09:19 AM - Re: Heavy left wing (Paul Mulwitz)
9. 09:28 AM - Beginning Left & Right Wing (Christian Tremblay)
10. 09:35 AM - Looking for Zenith amphib float kit manual (Russ GREENWAY)
11. 09:36 AM - Re: Beginning Left & Right Wing (Tom and Bren Henderson)
12. 09:47 AM - Re: Resized Picture resized again (Randy L. Thwing)
13. 09:56 AM - Re: Resized Picture resized again (Don Lewis)
14. 12:05 PM - Re: Beginning Left & Right Wing (LarryMcFarland)
15. 12:27 PM - Flying Picture of the Day (TxDave)
16. 12:46 PM - Re: Heavy left wing (Jim)
17. 12:47 PM - Re: Heavy left wing (Chuck Deiterich)
18. 12:54 PM - Re: Flying Picture of the Day (Clyde Barcus)
19. 01:30 PM - Re: Heavy left wing (Paul Mulwitz)
20. 03:00 PM - Re: Heavy left wing (ron dewees)
21. 06:53 PM - Re: Finished part storage. (Ron Lendon)
22. 07:34 PM - Re: Batteries and dynon update (Ron Lendon)
23. 07:34 PM - RE : Re: Finished part storage. (Carlos Sa)
24. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Finished part storage. (Dave Ruddiman)
25. 10:24 PM - Made it to Osh (Jon Croke)
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| Subject: | Re: So long, farewell |
Hy folks,
I know how to keep Frank in this list:
I need advise, I am building a 601XL and using an engine with the carb under
the engine, I am planning to use a electric pump on top of the firewall near
the cowling... Will it be safe? :-) :-) :-)
Thank you VERY MUCH Frank for all the advise and patience with all of us... Was
great to have you here in the list.
Hope you enjoy your RV a lot.... I realy hope to see you in any flyinn soon.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying fron Chapala, Mexico.
701 912S
Building a 601 XL (The pumps will be in the tanks outlet) thanks Frank!
Do not archive Do knot archive,
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote: Hi guys,
I have been on this list for some 7 years and have enjoyed reading and sharing
my experiences where I can. The trouble is I am getting WAY to mch email and
with the recent addition of pictures I have a concern that I may start appearing
on the hit list of my company's "bad boy" email list.
As many of you know I have now sold the HDS and am nearing the completion of
an RV7a. This meant another bunch of lists and groups to join and, well, something
has to go.
I wish you all fun with your projects and a number of you who need my input have
my email address on file. If you need my input feel free to drop me a note.
Cheers and best reagrds
Frank
HDS 400 hours...Sold and mmoving on.
---------------------------------
Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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| Subject: | Re: Finished part storage. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
HI Jay,
Are you checking under the tarp regularly to see if the parts stored outdoors
are forming any corrosion? Dallas may be a lot drier than Southwest Louisiana.....
but down here if it is outside and under a tarp, a lot of condensation
will collect and that ain't good news for unpainted airplane parts.
The only way I'd feel safe with that storage situation is if the parts were
well primed inside and the exterior had already been painted. Then it's just like
a finished airplane.... store it wherever you want. Unprimed and unpainted
aluminum is another story altogether.
Just my 2 cents worth,
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / 2nd wing
---- Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> Dave, I built a storage cart to store my wings (with ailerons), horizontal
> stab/elevator, and flaps. It is covered with a tarp and I keep it outdoors.
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| Subject: | Re: Finished part storage. |
All, I appreciate Joe's ingenuity. If you log onto my Geocities site,
(be forewarned that too much looking will push the limit of transfer for
the site, so it will not let anybody look for a while, typical free
geocities site) look on the lefthand side, click on SHOP and look at my
current Cover-It shelter. I did brace up the original "trusses" as when
I got the shelter, all the trusses were broke and bent due to snow
loads. Since then, I have had approx 32" of wet Spring snow on top, and
it stood up very good.
Anyway, I have hung my finished parts along the walls, and expect to
hang my wings on the slope of the roof, then I will shorten my table to
about 12"-18" and build up my fuselage.
Once again, hats off to Joe for "Doing whatever it takes" to get his
goal reached!!!!!
www.geocities.com/ch701builder
Keith
CH701 -- 8% -- scratch
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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xl wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
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>I built my 601XL in a 10'x20' tent and had room for storage.
>Here's a pointer to a picture:
>http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/in_tent2_small.jpg
>The elevator is behind the closest wing.
>I wish I had a 25'x26' workshop - it's relatively big!
>My wife let me put the tent in our yard, the tent just fit.
>see: http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/in_yard1_small.jpg
>
>Joe E
>N633Z @ BFI
>CH601XL 369 hours
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>(couldn't help responding - do not archive!)
>
>On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, Dave Ruddiman wrote:
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>>Listers,
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>> I am trying to figure out a simple way to store finished components in
>>a relatively small space. My shop is about 25 x 26 feet. I have windows
>>on 2 sides and an overhead door on 1 side. The other wall is already
>>full. What are you guys doing to store flaps, slats, elevator etc. I
>>don't want to take anything to the hangar until I paint. Trying to find
>>a good way to store overhead or? Any ideas?
>>Dave in Salem
>>801
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Just recently started flying my XL and notice it takes most all of the aileron
trim to bring left wing up level.
I've seen this subject addressed before but don't recall what a solution might
be. Would raising the rear spar location on the right wing help as I don't believe
adding a larger trim tab is the right answer ????
Thanks for any suggestions you might have.
Jim
N105JT
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| Subject: | Re: Resized Picture resized again |
MessageHi Randy,
I have you in my address book now and will I am sure be asking
questions in the future. Thanks for the responce.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
Zodiac XL (Not too far along)
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again
Hello Bob:
All your questions can be aswered from experienced people on this
list. My suggestion is to ask just one thing at a time. We'll take it
easy with you. I am going to make the claim that I taught the World's
oldest CAD (computer aided design) user. Bill Harrold, retired highest
level Lockheed Aeronautical engineer. He worked at their spy satellite
plant in San Jose. At 84 or 85 I set up a computor and started teaching
him CAD drawing in his hanger. He became a 2D expert. Bill redesigned
the wing of the Wag-Aero Pacer one of our guys is building. One feature
is that the ribs were constructed from square aluminum tubing. The
needed tubing wasn't available, so Bill designed, and I built, a bench
top rolling mill. Round tubing goes in one end and squared tubing with
rounded corners comes out the other. Attached is a pic of Bill with the
rolling mill and another pic of it close up. We lost Bill 18 months, I
sure miss him. He was proof a guy his age could still learn the new
tricks. Ask away Bob!
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again
Noel,
I am 77 years old and have only had a computer for about 2
years. Needless to say, I have had a lot of trouble learning to use it
and it's down right heart breaking to see 10 year old kids that are more
proficient than myself. The only redeeming factor is that I knew how to
type since high school days way back in the 40's
Just to show you how dumb I am, I could understand most of your
reply and the rest might as well have been Chinese. I can speak English
or course and I am almost fluent in German, now I must learn computer.
The best of luck with whatever you ae building.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
Zodiac XL (Not too far along)
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| Subject: | Re: Finished part storage. |
Ed, Yes, I take the tarp off every now and then just to check for corrosion.
Of course I can't see inside the wing, but none has shown up on the outside.
The ends of the tarp are open, so there is air flow through the interior; so,
I check every other day to look for nesting wasps, mice, gremlins, etc. The
way I look at it, there are many airplanes stored outside and this is not much
different.
Thanks for your concern - Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing |
Jim,
I added a small fixed trim on the light wing flaperon/aileron (also the
right wing). The heavy wing was due to the spring and pulley I have to
keep the elevator cables from rubbing. At first I tried the tab on the
left wing, but I found the light/right wind tab was much more effective.
It is about 7 inches by 3 inches riveted to the aft of the trailing
edge.
But first try taping a tab on the aileron with duct tape to get the size
and how much it need to be bent down. I flew several months with the
tab taped on, just checked before every flight. It may give a bit as
the riveted tab took less bend.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing
Just recently started flying my XL and notice it takes most all of the
aileron trim to bring left wing up level.
I've seen this subject addressed before but don't recall what a
solution might be. Would raising the rear spar location on the right
wing help as I don't believe adding a larger trim tab is the right
answer ????
Thanks for any suggestions you might have.
Jim
N105JT
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Jim,
I'm not flying my XL yet, but I have listened to a bunch of
discussion of this subject.
First, let me say that the XL is so light that the weight of the
pilot on the left side of the CG with no passenger will make the
plane want to roll left. If this is the root of your problem then it
seems trim is the way to handle it since you want to change the trim
when carrying a passenger.
Let me ask a few questions to help understand your condition:
1. Is your heavy wing only when you are flying solo?
2. Do you have the standard aileron hinges or piano hinges installed?
3. Your comment about full aileron deflection to correct the heavy
wing - at what airspeed is this statement made?
4. Have you just started flying your plane? How many hours does it have?
Perhaps someone can make sense of your problem with the above
questions answered.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 08:14 AM 7/24/2006, you wrote:
>Just recently started flying my XL and notice it takes most all of
>the aileron trim to bring left wing up level.
>I've seen this subject addressed before but don't recall what a
>solution might be. Would raising the rear spar location on the right
>wing help as I don't believe adding a larger trim tab is the right answer ????
>Thanks for any suggestions you might have.
>Jim
>N105JT
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| Subject: | Beginning Left & Right Wing |
Hi gang,
I begin to make pieces for my right wing and I am wondering if it a better
approach to make also all the pieces for the left wing: spars, ribs, gussets
and all the pieces. I don't have the place to build the two wings in the
same time, but I got lot a room to store pieces. On other hand, errors will
count for 2.
Respond from experienced scratch builders will be appreciated. :- )
Christian Tremblay
The guy who build a CH640 from plan
http://www.zodiac.com/
Notes to the group:
1) This forum is generously provided to us for discussion about plane,
tool and aviation, nothing else
2) When I want to said something personal to someone, I send to him a
personal email, not via the discussion group forum
3) Never flame anyone
4) Respect all users and never attach file to emails, send person to
person email do that or build web pages for storing images.
Regards
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| Subject: | Looking for Zenith amphib float kit manual |
Thanks to you guys, I found a used Zenair amphib float kit but missing a
couple of parts we think. Does anyone have a manual listing or diagram
of parts/pieces for the Zenair kit.
I would like to know which pieces may be missing and are still available
before I purchase the kit and possibly be stuck with a kit I may not be
able to use.
thanks,
Russ Greenway
kylepilot@msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: Beginning Left & Right Wing |
If your time is valuable (EVERYONE'S time is valuable), you would do well to
fabricate both wings at the same time. Yes, any mistakes are multiplied by
two, but you will save an immense amount of time in doing so. You'll find that
most of your time in scratch building is spent laying out cut lines, locating
holes, and setting up for bends. Actual cutting and bending is small in comparison.
Do Not Archive
Christian Tremblay <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca> wrote: Hi gang,
I begin to make pieces for my right wing and I am wondering if it a better approach
to make also all the pieces for the left wing: spars, ribs, gussets and
all the pieces. I dont have the place to build the two wings in the same time,
but I got lot a room to store pieces. On other hand, errors will count for 2.
Respond from experienced scratch builders will be appreciated. :- )
Christian Tremblay
The guy who build a CH640 from plan
http://www.zodiac.com/
Notes to the group:
1) This forum is generously provided to us for discussion about plane,
tool and aviation, nothing else
2) When I want to said something personal to someone, I send to him a personal
email, not via the discussion group forum
3) Never flame anyone
4) Respect all users and never attach file to emails, send person to person
email do that or build web pages for storing images.
Regards
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| Subject: | Re: Resized Picture resized again |
MessageRemember Bob, the List as a whole is a far greater resource that
I will ever be, don't be afraid to use it. I try to help where I can.
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again
Hi Randy,
I have you in my address book now and will I am sure be asking
questions in the future. Thanks for the responce.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
Zodiac XL (Not too far along)
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again
Hello Bob:
All your questions can be aswered from experienced people on
this list. My suggestion is to ask just one thing at a time. We'll
take it easy with you. I am going to make the claim that I taught the
World's oldest CAD (computer aided design) user. Bill Harrold, retired
highest level Lockheed Aeronautical engineer. He worked at their spy
satellite plant in San Jose. At 84 or 85 I set up a computor and
started teaching him CAD drawing in his hanger. He became a 2D expert.
Bill redesigned the wing of the Wag-Aero Pacer one of our guys is
building. One feature is that the ribs were constructed from square
aluminum tubing. The needed tubing wasn't available, so Bill designed,
and I built, a bench top rolling mill. Round tubing goes in one end and
squared tubing with rounded corners comes out the other. Attached is a
pic of Bill with the rolling mill and another pic of it close up. We
lost Bill 18 months, I sure miss him. He was proof a guy his age could
still learn the new tricks. Ask away Bob!
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Resized Picture resized again |
MessageBob,
Along another line for computer "know how"... Almost all
Jr. colleges offer very cheap classes for seniors
(age 55+ or so)...
I offer a lot at Tarrant County College ( see the links in my sig.)
The classes are 20 hours long over 5 days and cover many subjects...
The classes only cost $10 each for a lab fee... The state provides
some funding and my instructors and myself are volunteers...
Also check with any local "senior centers", many also offer classes...
do not archive
Don Lewis
http://don-lewis.net/
http://don-lewis.net/Fall06.htm
http://don-lewis.net/Spring07.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again
Hi Randy,
I have you in my address book now and will I am sure be asking
questions in the future. Thanks for the responce.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
Zodiac XL (Not too far along)
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again
Hello Bob:
All your questions can be aswered from experienced people on
this list. My suggestion is to ask just one thing at a time. We'll
take it easy with you. I am going to make the claim that I taught the
World's oldest CAD (computer aided design) user. Bill Harrold, retired
highest level Lockheed Aeronautical engineer. He worked at their spy
satellite plant in San Jose. At 84 or 85 I set up a computor and
started teaching him CAD drawing in his hanger. He became a 2D expert.
Bill redesigned the wing of the Wag-Aero Pacer one of our guys is
building. One feature is that the ribs were constructed from square
aluminum tubing. The needed tubing wasn't available, so Bill designed,
and I built, a bench top rolling mill. Round tubing goes in one end and
squared tubing with rounded corners comes out the other. Attached is a
pic of Bill with the rolling mill and another pic of it close up. We
lost Bill 18 months, I sure miss him. He was proof a guy his age could
still learn the new tricks. Ask away Bob!
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again
Noel,
I am 77 years old and have only had a computer for about 2
years. Needless to say, I have had a lot of trouble learning to use it
and it's down right heart breaking to see 10 year old kids that are more
proficient than myself. The only redeeming factor is that I knew how to
type since high school days way back in the 40's
Just to show you how dumb I am, I could understand most of
your reply and the rest might as well have been Chinese. I can speak
English or course and I am almost fluent in German, now I must learn
computer. The best of luck with whatever you ae building.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
Zodiac XL (Not too far along)
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| Subject: | Re: Beginning Left & Right Wing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Christian,
The process of doing one piece and then another which may only be a left
hand of a right piece is still a time saver. Match drilling blank parts
left to right is also
a time saver. Marking left and right halves off each other only requires
you first be accurate and it will save time. Good way to be work
efficient. Don't beat yourself
up on your mistakes either. Everyone makes a mistake, but the second
time you make a part, it will take less time than the first. I made at
least 5 ailerons before
I was happy, only because I slipped and stepped on the fourth one.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Christian Tremblay wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> I begin to make pieces for my right wing and I am wondering if it a
> better approach to make also all the pieces for the left wing: spars,
> ribs, gussets and all the pieces. I dont have the place to build the
> two wings in the same time, but I got lot a room to store pieces. On
> other hand, errors will count for 2.
>
> Respond from experienced scratch builders will be appreciated. :- )
>
> Christian Tremblay
>
> The guy who build a CH640 from plan
>
> http://www.zodiac.com/
>
> Notes to the group:
>
> 1) This forum is generously provided to us for discussion about plane,
> tool and aviation, nothing else
>
> 2) When I want to said something personal to someone, I send to him a
> personal email, not via the discussion group forum
>
> 3) Never flame anyone
>
> 4) Respect all users and never attach file to emails, send person to
> person email do that or build web pages for storing images.
>
> Regards
>
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| Subject: | Flying Picture of the Day |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
This weekend I got to do some flying in my wife's cousin's Grumman Cheetah. That
may not be a big deal for a lot of you folks, but it was actually the first
time I've flown in several years. I couldn't wait to get back to work on my XL.
The Cheetah has a lot of similarities to the XL. One thing I noticed was the
cockpit is not as wide as the Zodiac.
Dave
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49601#49601
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing |
Paul,
The questions you have asked.
1. The problem is the same if I sit in the right seat with a lighter pilot flying,
2. I have the standard aileron hinges, not the piano hinges.
3. At all speeds I need to use down aileron trim in the left wing to bring that
wing up.
4. Yes just started and have about two hours of air time.
Thanks
Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
Hi Jim,
I'm not flying my XL yet, but I have listened to a bunch of
discussion of this subject.
First, let me say that the XL is so light that the weight of the
pilot on the left side of the CG with no passenger will make the
plane want to roll left. If this is the root of your problem then it
seems trim is the way to handle it since you want to change the trim
when carrying a passenger.
Let me ask a few questions to help understand your condition:
1. Is your heavy wing only when you are flying solo?
2. Do you have the standard aileron hinges or piano hinges installed?
3. Your comment about full aileron deflection to correct the heavy
wing - at what airspeed is this statement made?
4. Have you just started flying your plane? How many hours does it have?
Perhaps someone can make sense of your problem with the above
questions answered.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 08:14 AM 7/24/2006, you wrote:
>Just recently started flying my XL and notice it takes most all of
>the aileron trim to bring left wing up level.
>I've seen this subject addressed before but don't recall what a
>solution might be. Would raising the rear spar location on the right
>wing help as I don't believe adding a larger trim tab is the right answer ????
>Thanks for any suggestions you might have.
>Jim
>N105JT
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing |
By the way, Chris H. says to do this, i.e. tape a tab on to get the
right size and bend, saves a lot of rework. I have even taped on air
diverters for oil cooling to get them right, works fine.
Chuck D.
Jim,
I added a small fixed trim on the light wing flaperon/aileron (also
the right wing). The heavy wing was due to the spring and pulley I have
to keep the elevator cables from rubbing. At first I tried the tab on
the left wing, but I found the light/right wind tab was much more
effective. It is about 7 inches by 3 inches riveted to the aft of the
trailing edge.
But first try taping a tab on the aileron with duct tape to get the
size and how much it need to be bent down. I flew several months with
the tab taped on, just checked before every flight. It may give a bit
as the riveted tab took less bend.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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From: Jim
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing
Just recently started flying my XL and notice it takes most all of
the aileron trim to bring left wing up level.
I've seen this subject addressed before but don't recall what a
solution might be. Would raising the rear spar location on the right
wing help as I don't believe adding a larger trim tab is the right
answer ????
Thanks for any suggestions you might have.
Jim
N105JT
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
Hi Dave,
95% of my flying time was in the Grumman Tiger and the Grumman Cheetah,
great planes, that is why I chose the 601 XL. I love the low wing with a
great view, the big difference is the low speed handling of the 601XL, which
is clearly better than the Grumman's.
Regards:
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Corvair Powered
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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:25 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>
> This weekend I got to do some flying in my wife's cousin's Grumman
> Cheetah. That may not be a big deal for a lot of you folks, but it was
> actually the first time I've flown in several years. I couldn't wait to
> get back to work on my XL. The Cheetah has a lot of similarities to the
> XL. One thing I noticed was the cockpit is not as wide as the Zodiac.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49601#49601
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flying_019_141.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing |
Hi Jim,
I guess this all comes down to a judgement call.
I would start by taping a small trim tab to the right aileron as
suggested by Chuck. After you learn how much actual movement you
have remaining after balancing out the roll tendency you can decide
if you want to make a more permanent change like you were considering
by moving the trailing edge of one of the wings. A simpler solution
would be to just rivet the trim tab you have taped in place and worry
about other issues for a while.
You could also consider adding the electric trim tab designed for the
XL. I built one of those on the first pass, but I think you can add
it without too much problem. You can run the wiring between the
aileron and flap and the rear channel to get to the fuselage. Then
it is just a matter of coming up with a switch arrangement and wiring it up.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
>The questions you have asked.
>1. The problem is the same if I sit in the right seat with a
>lighter pilot flying,
>2. I have the standard aileron hinges, not the piano hinges.
>3. At all speeds I need to use down aileron trim in the left wing
>to bring that wing up.
>4. Yes just started and have about two hours of air time.
>Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Jim,
Have you considered making a one-half turn change to the aileron
connecting rod between the bell crank and the aileron horn? It's easier
than a trim tab if the condition exists in all modes of flight. You
might have a slight trim problem.
BTW if you end up making the electric trim tab for the wing I would
suggest making the tab larger than the original plans suggested. Mine
makes little difference at all unless it's almost fully deflected.
Good luck on the adventures ahead!
Ron
do not archive
Paul Mulwitz wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> I guess this all comes down to a judgement call.
>
> I would start by taping a small trim tab to the right aileron as
> suggested by Chuck. After you learn how much actual movement you have
> remaining after balancing out the roll tendency you can decide if you
> want to make a more permanent change like you were considering by
> moving the trailing edge of one of the wings. A simpler solution
> would be to just rivet the trim tab you have taped in place and worry
> about other issues for a while.
>
> You could also consider adding the electric trim tab designed for the
> XL. I built one of those on the first pass, but I think you can add
> it without too much problem. You can run the wiring between the
> aileron and flap and the rear channel to get to the fuselage. Then it
> is just a matter of coming up with a switch arrangement and wiring it up.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finished part storage. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Here are a couple of links of how I hang my finished parts from the ceiling. I
just use 1" web strap and put grommets in the folded over ends. Screw a hook
up in to the studs and let em hang. I looks like I have enough room for everything
and will still be able to park a car and motorcycle in it. 25 x 25 ft.
Rudder and stabilizer:
Stabilizer/Elevator:
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49661#49661
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| Subject: | Re: Batteries and dynon update |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
FWIW:
I quit having the emails sent to my mail box as soon as Matt made this online forum
available. Now I just use the browser and the fourm interface to view everything.
All the pictures appear as thumbnails with size show. You just click
on the ones you want to see. Bandwidth is good and my mailbox doesn't fill
up when I am away or not interested.
Try this: Login, and View posts since last visit
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49672#49672
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| Subject: | Re: Finished part storage. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
There is a glitch regarding posts made on the forum and then transposed to the
regular email
list:
If the original text contains URLs, they are not copied.
To access the "lost" URL, one can click the link to the forum, provided below the
copied msg.
At the forum, one has access to the original note and the (lost) URL.
Carlos
--- Ron Lendon <rlendon@comcast.net> a crit :
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
>
> Here are a couple of links of how I hang my finished parts from the ceiling.
I just use 1" web
> strap and put grommets in the folded over ends. Screw a hook up in to the studs
and let em
> hang. I looks like I have enough room for everything and will still be able
to park a car and
> motorcycle in it. 25 x 25 ft.
>
> Rudder and stabilizer:
>
>
> Stabilizer/Elevator:
>
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49661#49661
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finished part storage. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
Ron,
That's the idea I need to use. Something easy and accessible.
Thanks
Dave in Salem
801
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:47 PM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
>
> Here are a couple of links of how I hang my finished parts from the
> ceiling. I just use 1" web strap and put grommets in the folded over
> ends. Screw a hook up in to the studs and let em hang. I looks like I
> have enough room for everything and will still be able to park a car and
> motorcycle in it. 25 x 25 ft.
>
> Rudder and stabilizer:
>
>
> Stabilizer/Elevator:
>
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49661#49661
>
>
>
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Hello to all wonderful Zenith builders!
Just returned from the first day at Osh. (open that wallet big time to
get in!) but always happy to be able to attend.
When they asked me if my limp was from an aviation related accident, I
replied Yes, I tripped on an aircraft tie-down and fell.... (less
explanation needed than the real reason!)
Saw the new cowl that was mentioned in a previous post on the 701
factory plane.. pretty, yes... but the part I like is the little trap
door on the top (for checking the oil and such).....
Good to see all the Heintz family and friends, distributors, co-workers
and suppliers in good health and doing what they do best....
In the parking area I saw Mike Sinclair's tail dragger 701.. truly
awesome and very nice construction... he came from a long way... could
not find Mike but loved the paint job and the little extras that he
added...
Wanted to announce the new DVD from HomebuiltHELP (blatent
advertisement beyond this point) on building a Glass instrument panel.
Explanation and pics available at:
http://homebuilthelp.com/Glass_Panel.htm
Hope to return tomorrow... a $4 soft drink at the show does taste better
than one purchased for less... makes gas at $3/gal look like a good
deal! (OK I'll stop complaining now, just kidding!)
Jon
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