---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/24/06: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:03 AM - Re: So long, farewell (Gary Gower) 2. 07:32 AM - Re: Finished part storage. () 3. 07:44 AM - Re: Finished part storage. (Keith Ashcraft) 4. 08:16 AM - Heavy left wing (Jim) 5. 08:55 AM - Re: Resized Picture resized again (Robert L. Stone) 6. 09:03 AM - Re: Finished part storage. (Jaybannist@cs.com) 7. 09:12 AM - Re: Heavy left wing (Chuck Deiterich) 8. 09:19 AM - Re: Heavy left wing (Paul Mulwitz) 9. 09:28 AM - Beginning Left & Right Wing (Christian Tremblay) 10. 09:35 AM - Looking for Zenith amphib float kit manual (Russ GREENWAY) 11. 09:36 AM - Re: Beginning Left & Right Wing (Tom and Bren Henderson) 12. 09:47 AM - Re: Resized Picture resized again (Randy L. Thwing) 13. 09:56 AM - Re: Resized Picture resized again (Don Lewis) 14. 12:05 PM - Re: Beginning Left & Right Wing (LarryMcFarland) 15. 12:27 PM - Flying Picture of the Day (TxDave) 16. 12:46 PM - Re: Heavy left wing (Jim) 17. 12:47 PM - Re: Heavy left wing (Chuck Deiterich) 18. 12:54 PM - Re: Flying Picture of the Day (Clyde Barcus) 19. 01:30 PM - Re: Heavy left wing (Paul Mulwitz) 20. 03:00 PM - Re: Heavy left wing (ron dewees) 21. 06:53 PM - Re: Finished part storage. (Ron Lendon) 22. 07:34 PM - Re: Batteries and dynon update (Ron Lendon) 23. 07:34 PM - RE : Re: Finished part storage. (Carlos Sa) 24. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Finished part storage. (Dave Ruddiman) 25. 10:24 PM - Made it to Osh (Jon Croke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:25 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: So long, farewell Hy folks, I know how to keep Frank in this list: I need advise, I am building a 601XL and using an engine with the carb under the engine, I am planning to use a electric pump on top of the firewall near the cowling... Will it be safe? :-) :-) :-) Thank you VERY MUCH Frank for all the advise and patience with all of us... Was great to have you here in the list. Hope you enjoy your RV a lot.... I realy hope to see you in any flyinn soon. Saludos Gary Gower. Flying fron Chapala, Mexico. 701 912S Building a 601 XL (The pumps will be in the tanks outlet) thanks Frank! Do not archive Do knot archive, "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" wrote: Hi guys, I have been on this list for some 7 years and have enjoyed reading and sharing my experiences where I can. The trouble is I am getting WAY to mch email and with the recent addition of pictures I have a concern that I may start appearing on the hit list of my company's "bad boy" email list. As many of you know I have now sold the HDS and am nearing the completion of an RV7a. This meant another bunch of lists and groups to join and, well, something has to go. I wish you all fun with your projects and a number of you who need my input have my email address on file. If you need my input feel free to drop me a note. Cheers and best reagrds Frank HDS 400 hours...Sold and mmoving on. --------------------------------- Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:57 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Finished part storage. --> Zenith-List message posted by: HI Jay, Are you checking under the tarp regularly to see if the parts stored outdoors are forming any corrosion? Dallas may be a lot drier than Southwest Louisiana..... but down here if it is outside and under a tarp, a lot of condensation will collect and that ain't good news for unpainted airplane parts. The only way I'd feel safe with that storage situation is if the parts were well primed inside and the exterior had already been painted. Then it's just like a finished airplane.... store it wherever you want. Unprimed and unpainted aluminum is another story altogether. Just my 2 cents worth, Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL / 2nd wing ---- Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > Dave, I built a storage cart to store my wings (with ailerons), horizontal > stab/elevator, and flaps. It is covered with a tarp and I keep it outdoors. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:31 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Finished part storage. All, I appreciate Joe's ingenuity. If you log onto my Geocities site, (be forewarned that too much looking will push the limit of transfer for the site, so it will not let anybody look for a while, typical free geocities site) look on the lefthand side, click on SHOP and look at my current Cover-It shelter. I did brace up the original "trusses" as when I got the shelter, all the trusses were broke and bent due to snow loads. Since then, I have had approx 32" of wet Spring snow on top, and it stood up very good. Anyway, I have hung my finished parts along the walls, and expect to hang my wings on the slope of the roof, then I will shorten my table to about 12"-18" and build up my fuselage. Once again, hats off to Joe for "Doing whatever it takes" to get his goal reached!!!!! www.geocities.com/ch701builder Keith CH701 -- 8% -- scratch N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' ***************************************************************** xl wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl > > >I built my 601XL in a 10'x20' tent and had room for storage. >Here's a pointer to a picture: >http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/in_tent2_small.jpg >The elevator is behind the closest wing. >I wish I had a 25'x26' workshop - it's relatively big! >My wife let me put the tent in our yard, the tent just fit. >see: http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/in_yard1_small.jpg > >Joe E >N633Z @ BFI >CH601XL 369 hours > >(couldn't help responding - do not archive!) > >On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, Dave Ruddiman wrote: > > >>Listers, >> >> I am trying to figure out a simple way to store finished components in >>a relatively small space. My shop is about 25 x 26 feet. I have windows >>on 2 sides and an overhead door on 1 side. The other wall is already >>full. What are you guys doing to store flaps, slats, elevator etc. I >>don't want to take anything to the hangar until I paint. Trying to find >>a good way to store overhead or? Any ideas? >>Dave in Salem >>801 >> >> > > > > > > > > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:00 AM PST US From: Jim Subject: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing Just recently started flying my XL and notice it takes most all of the aileron trim to bring left wing up level. I've seen this subject addressed before but don't recall what a solution might be. Would raising the rear spar location on the right wing help as I don't believe adding a larger trim tab is the right answer ???? Thanks for any suggestions you might have. Jim N105JT --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:47 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again MessageHi Randy, I have you in my address book now and will I am sure be asking questions in the future. Thanks for the responce. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx Zodiac XL (Not too far along) ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy L. Thwing To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again Hello Bob: All your questions can be aswered from experienced people on this list. My suggestion is to ask just one thing at a time. We'll take it easy with you. I am going to make the claim that I taught the World's oldest CAD (computer aided design) user. Bill Harrold, retired highest level Lockheed Aeronautical engineer. He worked at their spy satellite plant in San Jose. At 84 or 85 I set up a computor and started teaching him CAD drawing in his hanger. He became a 2D expert. Bill redesigned the wing of the Wag-Aero Pacer one of our guys is building. One feature is that the ribs were constructed from square aluminum tubing. The needed tubing wasn't available, so Bill designed, and I built, a bench top rolling mill. Round tubing goes in one end and squared tubing with rounded corners comes out the other. Attached is a pic of Bill with the rolling mill and another pic of it close up. We lost Bill 18 months, I sure miss him. He was proof a guy his age could still learn the new tricks. Ask away Bob! Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again Noel, I am 77 years old and have only had a computer for about 2 years. Needless to say, I have had a lot of trouble learning to use it and it's down right heart breaking to see 10 year old kids that are more proficient than myself. The only redeeming factor is that I knew how to type since high school days way back in the 40's Just to show you how dumb I am, I could understand most of your reply and the rest might as well have been Chinese. I can speak English or course and I am almost fluent in German, now I must learn computer. The best of luck with whatever you ae building. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx Zodiac XL (Not too far along) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:53 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Finished part storage. Ed, Yes, I take the tarp off every now and then just to check for corrosion. Of course I can't see inside the wing, but none has shown up on the outside. The ends of the tarp are open, so there is air flow through the interior; so, I check every other day to look for nesting wasps, mice, gremlins, etc. The way I look at it, there are many airplanes stored outside and this is not much different. Thanks for your concern - Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:21 AM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing Jim, I added a small fixed trim on the light wing flaperon/aileron (also the right wing). The heavy wing was due to the spring and pulley I have to keep the elevator cables from rubbing. At first I tried the tab on the left wing, but I found the light/right wind tab was much more effective. It is about 7 inches by 3 inches riveted to the aft of the trailing edge. But first try taping a tab on the aileron with duct tape to get the size and how much it need to be bent down. I flew several months with the tab taped on, just checked before every flight. It may give a bit as the riveted tab took less bend. Chuck D. N701TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing Just recently started flying my XL and notice it takes most all of the aileron trim to bring left wing up level. I've seen this subject addressed before but don't recall what a solution might be. Would raising the rear spar location on the right wing help as I don't believe adding a larger trim tab is the right answer ???? Thanks for any suggestions you might have. Jim N105JT ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:11 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Jim, I'm not flying my XL yet, but I have listened to a bunch of discussion of this subject. First, let me say that the XL is so light that the weight of the pilot on the left side of the CG with no passenger will make the plane want to roll left. If this is the root of your problem then it seems trim is the way to handle it since you want to change the trim when carrying a passenger. Let me ask a few questions to help understand your condition: 1. Is your heavy wing only when you are flying solo? 2. Do you have the standard aileron hinges or piano hinges installed? 3. Your comment about full aileron deflection to correct the heavy wing - at what airspeed is this statement made? 4. Have you just started flying your plane? How many hours does it have? Perhaps someone can make sense of your problem with the above questions answered. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 08:14 AM 7/24/2006, you wrote: >Just recently started flying my XL and notice it takes most all of >the aileron trim to bring left wing up level. >I've seen this subject addressed before but don't recall what a >solution might be. Would raising the rear spar location on the right >wing help as I don't believe adding a larger trim tab is the right answer ???? >Thanks for any suggestions you might have. >Jim >N105JT - ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:11 AM PST US From: Christian Tremblay Subject: Zenith-List: Beginning Left & Right Wing Hi gang, I begin to make pieces for my right wing and I am wondering if it a better approach to make also all the pieces for the left wing: spars, ribs, gussets and all the pieces. I don't have the place to build the two wings in the same time, but I got lot a room to store pieces. On other hand, errors will count for 2. Respond from experienced scratch builders will be appreciated. :- ) Christian Tremblay The guy who build a CH640 from plan http://www.zodiac.com/ Notes to the group: 1) This forum is generously provided to us for discussion about plane, tool and aviation, nothing else 2) When I want to said something personal to someone, I send to him a personal email, not via the discussion group forum 3) Never flame anyone 4) Respect all users and never attach file to emails, send person to person email do that or build web pages for storing images. Regards ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:28 AM PST US From: "Russ GREENWAY" Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for Zenith amphib float kit manual Thanks to you guys, I found a used Zenair amphib float kit but missing a couple of parts we think. Does anyone have a manual listing or diagram of parts/pieces for the Zenair kit. I would like to know which pieces may be missing and are still available before I purchase the kit and possibly be stuck with a kit I may not be able to use. thanks, Russ Greenway kylepilot@msn.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:22 AM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Beginning Left & Right Wing If your time is valuable (EVERYONE'S time is valuable), you would do well to fabricate both wings at the same time. Yes, any mistakes are multiplied by two, but you will save an immense amount of time in doing so. You'll find that most of your time in scratch building is spent laying out cut lines, locating holes, and setting up for bends. Actual cutting and bending is small in comparison. Do Not Archive Christian Tremblay wrote: Hi gang, I begin to make pieces for my right wing and I am wondering if it a better approach to make also all the pieces for the left wing: spars, ribs, gussets and all the pieces. I dont have the place to build the two wings in the same time, but I got lot a room to store pieces. On other hand, errors will count for 2. Respond from experienced scratch builders will be appreciated. :- ) Christian Tremblay The guy who build a CH640 from plan http://www.zodiac.com/ Notes to the group: 1) This forum is generously provided to us for discussion about plane, tool and aviation, nothing else 2) When I want to said something personal to someone, I send to him a personal email, not via the discussion group forum 3) Never flame anyone 4) Respect all users and never attach file to emails, send person to person email do that or build web pages for storing images. Regards ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:59 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again MessageRemember Bob, the List as a whole is a far greater resource that I will ever be, don't be afraid to use it. I try to help where I can. Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again Hi Randy, I have you in my address book now and will I am sure be asking questions in the future. Thanks for the responce. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx Zodiac XL (Not too far along) ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy L. Thwing To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again Hello Bob: All your questions can be aswered from experienced people on this list. My suggestion is to ask just one thing at a time. We'll take it easy with you. I am going to make the claim that I taught the World's oldest CAD (computer aided design) user. Bill Harrold, retired highest level Lockheed Aeronautical engineer. He worked at their spy satellite plant in San Jose. At 84 or 85 I set up a computor and started teaching him CAD drawing in his hanger. He became a 2D expert. Bill redesigned the wing of the Wag-Aero Pacer one of our guys is building. One feature is that the ribs were constructed from square aluminum tubing. The needed tubing wasn't available, so Bill designed, and I built, a bench top rolling mill. Round tubing goes in one end and squared tubing with rounded corners comes out the other. Attached is a pic of Bill with the rolling mill and another pic of it close up. We lost Bill 18 months, I sure miss him. He was proof a guy his age could still learn the new tricks. Ask away Bob! Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:58 AM PST US From: "Don Lewis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again MessageBob, Along another line for computer "know how"... Almost all Jr. colleges offer very cheap classes for seniors (age 55+ or so)... I offer a lot at Tarrant County College ( see the links in my sig.) The classes are 20 hours long over 5 days and cover many subjects... The classes only cost $10 each for a lab fee... The state provides some funding and my instructors and myself are volunteers... Also check with any local "senior centers", many also offer classes... do not archive Don Lewis http://don-lewis.net/ http://don-lewis.net/Fall06.htm http://don-lewis.net/Spring07.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Stone To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again Hi Randy, I have you in my address book now and will I am sure be asking questions in the future. Thanks for the responce. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx Zodiac XL (Not too far along) ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy L. Thwing To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again Hello Bob: All your questions can be aswered from experienced people on this list. My suggestion is to ask just one thing at a time. We'll take it easy with you. I am going to make the claim that I taught the World's oldest CAD (computer aided design) user. Bill Harrold, retired highest level Lockheed Aeronautical engineer. He worked at their spy satellite plant in San Jose. At 84 or 85 I set up a computor and started teaching him CAD drawing in his hanger. He became a 2D expert. Bill redesigned the wing of the Wag-Aero Pacer one of our guys is building. One feature is that the ribs were constructed from square aluminum tubing. The needed tubing wasn't available, so Bill designed, and I built, a bench top rolling mill. Round tubing goes in one end and squared tubing with rounded corners comes out the other. Attached is a pic of Bill with the rolling mill and another pic of it close up. We lost Bill 18 months, I sure miss him. He was proof a guy his age could still learn the new tricks. Ask away Bob! Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resized Picture resized again Noel, I am 77 years old and have only had a computer for about 2 years. Needless to say, I have had a lot of trouble learning to use it and it's down right heart breaking to see 10 year old kids that are more proficient than myself. The only redeeming factor is that I knew how to type since high school days way back in the 40's Just to show you how dumb I am, I could understand most of your reply and the rest might as well have been Chinese. I can speak English or course and I am almost fluent in German, now I must learn computer. The best of luck with whatever you ae building. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx Zodiac XL (Not too far along) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:45 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Beginning Left & Right Wing --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Christian, The process of doing one piece and then another which may only be a left hand of a right piece is still a time saver. Match drilling blank parts left to right is also a time saver. Marking left and right halves off each other only requires you first be accurate and it will save time. Good way to be work efficient. Don't beat yourself up on your mistakes either. Everyone makes a mistake, but the second time you make a part, it will take less time than the first. I made at least 5 ailerons before I was happy, only because I slipped and stepped on the fourth one. Good luck, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Christian Tremblay wrote: > Hi gang, > > I begin to make pieces for my right wing and I am wondering if it a > better approach to make also all the pieces for the left wing: spars, > ribs, gussets and all the pieces. I dont have the place to build the > two wings in the same time, but I got lot a room to store pieces. On > other hand, errors will count for 2. > > Respond from experienced scratch builders will be appreciated. :- ) > > Christian Tremblay > > The guy who build a CH640 from plan > > http://www.zodiac.com/ > > Notes to the group: > > 1) This forum is generously provided to us for discussion about plane, > tool and aviation, nothing else > > 2) When I want to said something personal to someone, I send to him a > personal email, not via the discussion group forum > > 3) Never flame anyone > > 4) Respect all users and never attach file to emails, send person to > person email do that or build web pages for storing images. > > Regards > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:39 PM PST US From: "TxDave" Subject: Zenith-List: Flying Picture of the Day --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" This weekend I got to do some flying in my wife's cousin's Grumman Cheetah. That may not be a big deal for a lot of you folks, but it was actually the first time I've flown in several years. I couldn't wait to get back to work on my XL. The Cheetah has a lot of similarities to the XL. One thing I noticed was the cockpit is not as wide as the Zodiac. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49601#49601 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flying_019_141.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:29 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing Paul, The questions you have asked. 1. The problem is the same if I sit in the right seat with a lighter pilot flying, 2. I have the standard aileron hinges, not the piano hinges. 3. At all speeds I need to use down aileron trim in the left wing to bring that wing up. 4. Yes just started and have about two hours of air time. Thanks Paul Mulwitz wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Jim, I'm not flying my XL yet, but I have listened to a bunch of discussion of this subject. First, let me say that the XL is so light that the weight of the pilot on the left side of the CG with no passenger will make the plane want to roll left. If this is the root of your problem then it seems trim is the way to handle it since you want to change the trim when carrying a passenger. Let me ask a few questions to help understand your condition: 1. Is your heavy wing only when you are flying solo? 2. Do you have the standard aileron hinges or piano hinges installed? 3. Your comment about full aileron deflection to correct the heavy wing - at what airspeed is this statement made? 4. Have you just started flying your plane? How many hours does it have? Perhaps someone can make sense of your problem with the above questions answered. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 08:14 AM 7/24/2006, you wrote: >Just recently started flying my XL and notice it takes most all of >the aileron trim to bring left wing up level. >I've seen this subject addressed before but don't recall what a >solution might be. Would raising the rear spar location on the right >wing help as I don't believe adding a larger trim tab is the right answer ???? >Thanks for any suggestions you might have. >Jim >N105JT - --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:50 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing By the way, Chris H. says to do this, i.e. tape a tab on to get the right size and bend, saves a lot of rework. I have even taped on air diverters for oil cooling to get them right, works fine. Chuck D. Jim, I added a small fixed trim on the light wing flaperon/aileron (also the right wing). The heavy wing was due to the spring and pulley I have to keep the elevator cables from rubbing. At first I tried the tab on the left wing, but I found the light/right wind tab was much more effective. It is about 7 inches by 3 inches riveted to the aft of the trailing edge. But first try taping a tab on the aileron with duct tape to get the size and how much it need to be bent down. I flew several months with the tab taped on, just checked before every flight. It may give a bit as the riveted tab took less bend. Chuck D. N701TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing Just recently started flying my XL and notice it takes most all of the aileron trim to bring left wing up level. I've seen this subject addressed before but don't recall what a solution might be. Would raising the rear spar location on the right wing help as I don't believe adding a larger trim tab is the right answer ???? Thanks for any suggestions you might have. Jim N105JT ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:11 PM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Picture of the Day --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" Hi Dave, 95% of my flying time was in the Grumman Tiger and the Grumman Cheetah, great planes, that is why I chose the 601 XL. I love the low wing with a great view, the big difference is the low speed handling of the 601XL, which is clearly better than the Grumman's. Regards: Clyde Barcus 601 XL, Corvair Powered ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:25 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" > > This weekend I got to do some flying in my wife's cousin's Grumman > Cheetah. That may not be a big deal for a lot of you folks, but it was > actually the first time I've flown in several years. I couldn't wait to > get back to work on my XL. The Cheetah has a lot of similarities to the > XL. One thing I noticed was the cockpit is not as wide as the Zodiac. > > Dave > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49601#49601 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/flying_019_141.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:07 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing Hi Jim, I guess this all comes down to a judgement call. I would start by taping a small trim tab to the right aileron as suggested by Chuck. After you learn how much actual movement you have remaining after balancing out the roll tendency you can decide if you want to make a more permanent change like you were considering by moving the trailing edge of one of the wings. A simpler solution would be to just rivet the trim tab you have taped in place and worry about other issues for a while. You could also consider adding the electric trim tab designed for the XL. I built one of those on the first pass, but I think you can add it without too much problem. You can run the wiring between the aileron and flap and the rear channel to get to the fuselage. Then it is just a matter of coming up with a switch arrangement and wiring it up. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage >The questions you have asked. >1. The problem is the same if I sit in the right seat with a >lighter pilot flying, >2. I have the standard aileron hinges, not the piano hinges. >3. At all speeds I need to use down aileron trim in the left wing >to bring that wing up. >4. Yes just started and have about two hours of air time. >Thanks - ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:43 PM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Jim, Have you considered making a one-half turn change to the aileron connecting rod between the bell crank and the aileron horn? It's easier than a trim tab if the condition exists in all modes of flight. You might have a slight trim problem. BTW if you end up making the electric trim tab for the wing I would suggest making the tab larger than the original plans suggested. Mine makes little difference at all unless it's almost fully deflected. Good luck on the adventures ahead! Ron do not archive Paul Mulwitz wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I guess this all comes down to a judgement call. > > I would start by taping a small trim tab to the right aileron as > suggested by Chuck. After you learn how much actual movement you have > remaining after balancing out the roll tendency you can decide if you > want to make a more permanent change like you were considering by > moving the trailing edge of one of the wings. A simpler solution > would be to just rivet the trim tab you have taped in place and worry > about other issues for a while. > > You could also consider adding the electric trim tab designed for the > XL. I built one of those on the first pass, but I think you can add > it without too much problem. You can run the wiring between the > aileron and flap and the rear channel to get to the fuselage. Then it > is just a matter of coming up with a switch arrangement and wiring it up. > > Good luck, > > Paul > XL fuselage > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:27 PM PST US From: "Ron Lendon" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Finished part storage. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" Here are a couple of links of how I hang my finished parts from the ceiling. I just use 1" web strap and put grommets in the folded over ends. Screw a hook up in to the studs and let em hang. I looks like I have enough room for everything and will still be able to park a car and motorcycle in it. 25 x 25 ft. Rudder and stabilizer: Stabilizer/Elevator: -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49661#49661 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:10 PM PST US From: "Ron Lendon" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Batteries and dynon update --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" FWIW: I quit having the emails sent to my mail box as soon as Matt made this online forum available. Now I just use the browser and the fourm interface to view everything. All the pictures appear as thumbnails with size show. You just click on the ones you want to see. Bandwidth is good and my mailbox doesn't fill up when I am away or not interested. Try this: Login, and View posts since last visit -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49672#49672 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:34 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: RE : Zenith-List: Re: Finished part storage. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa There is a glitch regarding posts made on the forum and then transposed to the regular email list: If the original text contains URLs, they are not copied. To access the "lost" URL, one can click the link to the forum, provided below the copied msg. At the forum, one has access to the original note and the (lost) URL. Carlos --- Ron Lendon a crit : > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" > > Here are a couple of links of how I hang my finished parts from the ceiling. I just use 1" web > strap and put grommets in the folded over ends. Screw a hook up in to the studs and let em > hang. I looks like I have enough room for everything and will still be able to park a car and > motorcycle in it. 25 x 25 ft. > > Rudder and stabilizer: > > > Stabilizer/Elevator: > > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49661#49661 > __________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:29 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Finished part storage. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" Ron, That's the idea I need to use. Something easy and accessible. Thanks Dave in Salem 801 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:47 PM > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" > > Here are a couple of links of how I hang my finished parts from the > ceiling. I just use 1" web strap and put grommets in the folded over > ends. Screw a hook up in to the studs and let em hang. I looks like I > have enough room for everything and will still be able to park a car and > motorcycle in it. 25 x 25 ft. > > Rudder and stabilizer: > > > Stabilizer/Elevator: > > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49661#49661 > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:22 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Made it to Osh Hello to all wonderful Zenith builders! Just returned from the first day at Osh. (open that wallet big time to get in!) but always happy to be able to attend. When they asked me if my limp was from an aviation related accident, I replied Yes, I tripped on an aircraft tie-down and fell.... (less explanation needed than the real reason!) Saw the new cowl that was mentioned in a previous post on the 701 factory plane.. pretty, yes... but the part I like is the little trap door on the top (for checking the oil and such)..... Good to see all the Heintz family and friends, distributors, co-workers and suppliers in good health and doing what they do best.... In the parking area I saw Mike Sinclair's tail dragger 701.. truly awesome and very nice construction... he came from a long way... could not find Mike but loved the paint job and the little extras that he added... Wanted to announce the new DVD from HomebuiltHELP (blatent advertisement beyond this point) on building a Glass instrument panel. Explanation and pics available at: http://homebuilthelp.com/Glass_Panel.htm Hope to return tomorrow... a $4 soft drink at the show does taste better than one purchased for less... makes gas at $3/gal look like a good deal! (OK I'll stop complaining now, just kidding!) Jon