---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/26/06: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:42 AM - Nose gear strut coating/plating? (deglass1@aol.com) 2. 06:29 AM - Re: Nose gear strut coating/plating? (LarryMcFarland) 3. 07:53 AM - Re: Caps with image and tail number (Jeffrey A Beachy) 4. 08:26 AM - Re: Nose gear strut coating/plating? (Tom and Bren Henderson) 5. 08:33 AM - Re: Nose gear strut coating/plating? (Tom and Bren Henderson) 6. 10:45 AM - Nose gear strut coating/plating (Klaus Truemper) 7. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: Big Holes (1.125") (DICK WILBERS) 8. 11:32 AM - Klaus T. nose gear fairing (George Swinford) 9. 02:22 PM - Re: Made it to Osh (Rick R) 10. 03:26 PM - Re: Made it to Osh (Dave) 11. 03:57 PM - Getting started on 601XL (Wade Jones) 12. 04:06 PM - XL/Jabiru Firewall Fwd. Kit Question (Chuck & Lana Maggart) 13. 04:32 PM - Re: Getting started on 601XL (Graham Kirby) 14. 05:29 PM - Re: Getting started on 601XL (TxDave) 15. 05:44 PM - Re: Getting started on 601XL (Randy Bryant) 16. 07:23 PM - Re: Getting started on 601XL (Wade Jones) 17. 11:48 PM - Scrap Building and New 601XL Website (Dave and Jan Clay) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:08 AM PST US From: deglass1@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Nose gear strut coating/plating? Good morning, all - I'm looking for your advice on coating or plating the nose gear leg. Ours is an XL, but the question applies across others too, I believe. I want to protect the outer surface against corrosion and wear from the nylon bearings, but a local shop wants $250 for electroless nickel, and $150 for external chrome plating. I have some spray-on dry film lube that I'm considering. What have you used on yours, and would you do the same again? Thanks- David Glass XL fuselage finally nearing completion Forest, VA deglass1 (at) aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:45 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nose gear strut coating/plating? --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland David, I'd consider powder coating or painting, but wouldn't consider plating. I put Zinc Chromate on with the intent of going with a powder coat sometime during my current painting efforts. The zinc chromate primer has held up well after 85 hours flight time. Seems the frontal attack of the atmosphere has done more damage than the bearings. There are several spots that have just begun to show metal at the bearings. The front of the strut is chinked up well with corrosion on the front surfaces of the gear struts. Will probably sand blast and then coat. Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com deglass1@aol.com wrote: > Good morning, all - > I'm looking for your advice on coating or plating the nose gear > leg. Ours is an XL, but the question applies across others too, I > believe. I want to protect the outer surface against corrosion and > wear from the nylon bearings, but a local shop wants $250 for > electroless nickel, and $150 for external chrome plating. > I have some spray-on dry film lube that I'm considering. What > have you used on yours, and would you do the same again? > > Thanks- > David Glass > XL fuselage finally nearing completion > Forest, VA > > deglass1 (at) aol.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:31 AM PST US From: Jeffrey A Beachy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Caps with image and tail number --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy Khaki for me. CH701. Jeff do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:33 AM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nose gear strut coating/plating? Wow, if that's the locally quoted price, you might want to check out an Oregon company called Technical Finishes and Coatings. I have my rudder pedals there right now. They quoted $40 to Nickel Plate the pair of them. Even after shipping is factored in, you'll save a fortune. When you request the quote, just fax them the drawing WITHOUT any references to aircraft (everyone seems to see dollar signs when airplanes are involved). Include a contact number (or better yet, just a return fax number) and you should hear from them the same or following day at the outside. Technical FInishes and Coatings 503-771-0969 VOICE 503-771-1062 FAX Tom Henderson 601XL Working on the Fuse deglass1@aol.com wrote: Good morning, all - I'm looking for your advice on coating or plating the nose gear leg. Ours is an XL, but the question applies across others too, I believe. I want to protect the outer surface against corrosion and wear from the nylon bearings, but a local shop wants $250 for electroless nickel, and $150 for external chrome plating. I have some spray-on dry film lube that I'm considering. What have you used on yours, and would you do the same again? Thanks- David Glass XL fuselage finally nearing completion Forest, VA deglass1 (at) aol.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:13 AM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nose gear strut coating/plating? Powdercoat would look great, but you'll still want to plate them for corrossion resistance. We have a fantastic powdercoat line here with a 5 stage pre-treatment line, but we wouldn't think of recommending you powdercoat an exterior surface. There are two or three powdercoatings out there that will hold up in UV and moisture intense environments, and they all look abominable. We're talking thick, ugly, orangepeel texture. Wet paint may be the way to go if you don't want to plate with Nickel or Zinc. Nickel looks a little better, but the Zinc still adds a nice shiny (if slightly rainbowed) appearance. Tom Henderson 601XL Working of the Fuse LarryMcFarland wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland David, I'd consider powder coating or painting, but wouldn't consider plating. I put Zinc Chromate on with the intent of going with a powder coat sometime during my current painting efforts. The zinc chromate primer has held up well after 85 hours flight time. Seems the frontal attack of the atmosphere has done more damage than the bearings. There are several spots that have just begun to show metal at the bearings. The front of the strut is chinked up well with corrosion on the front surfaces of the gear struts. Will probably sand blast and then coat. Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com deglass1@aol.com wrote: > Good morning, all - > I'm looking for your advice on coating or plating the nose gear > leg. Ours is an XL, but the question applies across others too, I > believe. I want to protect the outer surface against corrosion and > wear from the nylon bearings, but a local shop wants $250 for > electroless nickel, and $150 for external chrome plating. > I have some spray-on dry film lube that I'm considering. What > have you used on yours, and would you do the same again? > > Thanks- > David Glass > XL fuselage finally nearing completion > Forest, VA > > deglass1 (at) aol.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:13 AM PST US From: Klaus Truemper Subject: Zenith-List: Nose gear strut coating/plating --> Zenith-List message posted by: Klaus Truemper Hi, Regardless whether one coats or plates the nose gear tube, there still will be a wear problem since sand and dust will be deposited on the gear and wear out the nylon. I used a somewhat different solution. I made a nose gear fairing that encloses the strut. Underneath the fairing I lubricate the bearing with grease once a year. Almost no dirt gets into the grease, and the wear has essentially stopped. For a look at the fairing, go to http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/nose_gear_fairing.html Best wishes, Klaus Truemper -- Klaus Truemper Professor Emeritus of Computer Science University of Texas at Dallas Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science EC31 P.O. Box 830688 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (972) 883-2712 klaus@utdallas.edu www.utdallas.edu/~klaus ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:13 AM PST US From: "DICK WILBERS" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Big Holes (1.125") --> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS" Starret Company makes a great hole saw that uses pilot drills as the center mandrel, and the hole saws are interchangeable for particular sizes. They are made specifically for thin material and have the teeth set to saw a perfect hole. Make a small guide hole and the pilot drill will pick it up and drill a smooth, concentric and accurate hole. I used these on all my panel holes and they are not that expensive. They are available from MIS and maybe McMaster Carr. Incidentally, I flew a J-3 Cub on floats the other day and I wish I had a 701 on floats. What a HOOT doing splash and go's! Dick in Florida 601HDS STRATUS Do not archive -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zed Smith Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:38 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith You may not want to spring for the price of one but Greenlee makes punches, one of which makes an inch and an eighth round hole. These are called "knockout" punches; come in "diameter" sizes, and "conduit" sizes. Most two-way radio service/installation shops have an extensive assortment. The size you seek is exactly what was used in the old days on "low band whips" to punch the large hole for base insulator mounting. A local facility may be inclined to let you use theirs. Use your caliper to check size.....the "conduit" series makes holes considerably larger than the trade-size conduit marked on the punch, whereas those marked as "xx diam." will punch that size hole. do not archive Regards, Zed/701/R912/90+% ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:17 AM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: Klaus T. nose gear fairing Klaus,would you give us more description of the spring loaded tube which holds the upper fairing against the nose gear bearing? An additional picture might be helpful. George ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:42 PM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Made it to Osh Was great to be there this year. Hats off to Mike S and his kewl tail dragger. Mike, hope the storms weren't too rough! I also enjoued the 701 w/ 0200 on tubes. What a paint job! And bucked rivets to boot! do not archive Rick Sharpsburg, GA. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:42 PM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Made it to Osh Try to take in the Lancaster thats appearing there. Truly a special plane, literally pulled back out of the grave. I've watched it fly only once, I'd love to see it again. Only two left now. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick R To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Made it to Osh Was great to be there this year. Hats off to Mike S and his kewl tail dragger. Mike, hope the storms weren't too rough! I also enjoued the 701 w/ 0200 on tubes. What a paint job! And bucked rivets to boot! do not archive Rick Sharpsburg, GA. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:51 PM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Getting started on 601XL Today around 2:00pm I received my first aluminum order from Aircraft Spruce . A short time later in the day I completed my first part .Yes you guessed it ,the rudder spar .Thanks to Dave Clay's sheet metal brake plans my first try was a success .Some of the sheets received had some damage around the edges but I was expecting this and can work around it . Wade Jones ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:53 PM PST US From: "Chuck & Lana Maggart" Subject: Zenith-List: XL/Jabiru Firewall Fwd. Kit Question Regarding the Firewall Forward Kit from Jabiru USA for the 601XL: I am having trouble downloading pictures of the air dam instructions in the Jabiru website and they are closed for the week. I assume the air dam is used to direct inlet air to the oil cooler, but I can not tell where it is supposed to be located. In earlier pictures, before the oil cooler was rotated 90 degrees, they showed using baffle material between the oil cooler and the cowl. Is that still required? Thanks for you help! Chuck Maggart, Missouri, xl nearly ready for paint. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:07 PM PST US From: "Graham Kirby" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Getting started on 601XL I have also noticed that the sheet aluminum that I have bought from Aircraft Spruce often arrives with damaged edges as well as scratches from when the material is rolled for shipping. On the other hand, the shipments I have had from Wicks have been blemish free and their sheet metal, or at least on the batches I have ordered, have always come with a protective layer of plastic. Graham Kirby 601HD do not archive -----Original Message----- Today around 2:00pm I received my first aluminum order from Aircraft Spruce . ... Some of the sheets received had some damage around the edges but I was expecting this and can work around it . Wade Jones ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:49 PM PST US From: "TxDave" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Getting started on 601XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" Way to go Wade! Keep us posted on your progress. I have received damaged and undamaged sheet metal from both Wicks and Aircraft Spruce. I think most of the damage occured during shipping, not as a result of handling by the supplier. do not archive Dave Clay Temple, TX 601XL scratch builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50043#50043 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:39 PM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Getting started on 601XL When buying more raw aluminum, try Yarde Metals... For some of the other smaller metal pieces you'll need, try Speedy's Metals. You can Google either and find them... You will spend a fortune on metals from AS. Thanks, Randy Bryant XL Wings - Plans Only http://www.n344rb.com Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Wade Jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Getting started on 601XL Today around 2:00pm I received my first aluminum order from Aircraft Spruce . A short time later in the day I completed my first part .Yes you guessed it ,the rudder spar .Thanks to Dave Clay's sheet metal brake plans my first try was a success .Some of the sheets received had some damage around the edges but I was expecting this and can work around it . Wade Jones ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:32 PM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Getting started on 601XL Thanks Randy ,I will try that source . Wade ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Bryant To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Getting started on 601XL When buying more raw aluminum, try Yarde Metals... For some of the other smaller metal pieces you'll need, try Speedy's Metals. You can Google either and find them... You will spend a fortune on metals from AS. Thanks, Randy Bryant XL Wings - Plans Only http://www.n344rb.com Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Wade Jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Getting started on 601XL Today around 2:00pm I received my first aluminum order from Aircraft Spruce . A short time later in the day I completed my first part .Yes you guessed it ,the rudder spar .Thanks to Dave Clay's sheet metal brake plans my first try was a success .Some of the sheets received had some damage around the edges but I was expecting this and can work around it . Wade Jones ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:33 PM PST US From: "Dave and Jan Clay" Subject: Zenith-List: Scrap Building and New 601XL Website --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay" Its amazing how much scrap aluminum can accumulate in your workshop. Before starting on my wing spars I decided to make good use of my leftovers. I went through the plans and fabricated every part I could possibly make with scrap I had on hand. In the last week I've made everything from access plates to Z angles. I made a total of 76 parts, both large and small, and used up a bunch of scrap aluminum. For those who may be interested, I have posted a website to chronicle my project. Some of the pages are incomplete at this time. You can click on the "Latest Photo Update" image to see what I'm currently working on. http://www.daves601xl.com Dave Clay Temple, TX Scratch building a 601XL _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/