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1. 07:18 AM - Yamaha boots dimensions (Tom Faulkner)
2. 07:27 AM - Re: 801 Tail Height (Tom Faulkner)
3. 07:31 AM - Re: Yamaha boots dimensions ()
4. 07:48 AM - Re: 801 Tail Height ()
5. 08:31 AM - Re: 801 Tail Height (Dave Ruddiman)
6. 08:32 AM - Tail Heigth (Dave Ruddiman)
7. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Speed & Zeniths (don wentz)
8. 10:50 AM - Re: Belt attachment (Milburn Reed)
9. 11:02 AM - Re: Engine for 601XL (Milburn Reed)
10. 11:21 AM - Re: Belt attachment (Tom and Bren Henderson)
11. 11:36 AM - remove from list (Andrew Cross)
12. 11:54 AM - list (Jerry Jensen)
13. 01:03 PM - Re: Yamaha boots dimensions (Robin Bellach)
14. 01:03 PM - Re: Yamaha boots dimensions (Robin Bellach)
15. 03:19 PM - Polished Aluminum (neitzel)
16. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Speed & Zeniths (Paul Mulwitz)
17. 06:44 PM - Re: Belt attachment slack (Dave)
18. 08:38 PM - Re: Belt attachment slack (Bill Cardell)
19. 09:12 PM - Re: Engine for 601XL (Steve Hulland)
20. 09:17 PM - Re: Belt attachment slack (kevinbonds)
21. 10:03 PM - Kudos for Home Built Help (Ron Lendon)
22. 10:03 PM - Seat belt slack (George Swinford)
23. 11:49 PM - Weekly pics (Tom Henderson)
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| Subject: | Yamaha boots dimensions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
Geoff: The mounting plates for the boots are diamond shaped with max
dimensions of 4" x 6". They should work in your application.
Tom Faulkner
N801TP
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Dave: My 801 tail height measures 10 feet 3-3/4 inches.
Tom Faulkner
N801TP
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| Subject: | Re: Yamaha boots dimensions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
In a previous post, we saw the part numbers of the Yamaha boots but most Yamaha
parts sites require us to know the Yamaha product model number and year to look
up and oreder the parts. Do you have the model and year numbers to help me
out?
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL
---- Tom Faulkner <tomtafcor@triton.net> wrote:
>
> Geoff: The mounting plates for the boots are diamond shaped with max
> dimensions of 4" x 6".
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Okay, I can't stand it any longer...... nobody has asked,
"Does this make my tail look big?"
Ed Moody II
---- Tom Faulkner <tomtafcor@triton.net> wrote:
> Dave: My 801 tail height measures 10 feet 3-3/4 inches.
>
> Tom Faulkner
> N801TP
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> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Tail Height |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
You know the only answer to that. No your tail is fine. You've got the best
tail I've ever seen.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:46 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
>
> Okay, I can't stand it any longer...... nobody has asked,
>
> "Does this make my tail look big?"
>
> Ed Moody II
>
> ---- Tom Faulkner <tomtafcor@triton.net> wrote:
>> Dave: My 801 tail height measures 10 feet 3-3/4 inches.
>>
>> Tom Faulkner
>> N801TP
>>
>> Do not archive
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The reason for the question on tail is that my shop ceiling is only
8'6". I knew the height was around 10' but curious to know what it
really comes out to in various planes.
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| Subject: | Re: Speed & Zeniths |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "don wentz" <dasduck@comcast.net>
Paul,
I agree with Roy, I would like to come out with Roy and take a look at your
project, maybe do a Tech Inspection while we're there? I'm a TC for metal
aircraft and I know I annoyed the heck out of Roy nitpicking his project
prior to first flight ;-)
Never hurts to get in-person ideas on your project.
BTW - 105 Ch Breakfast is tomorrow at 8am at Twin Oaks. The morning flying
wx has been perfect this week so should be a huge turnout.
dw
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N601RT
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:06 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "N601RT" <N601RT@comcast.net>
The Zenith Don referred to above is N601RT, which now has almost 600 hrs and
I expect will have over 1000 hours in a couple more years.
Don shakes his head when he hears about me spending the $'s to add a
constant speed prop (keep the $'s & don't add the weight), use his heated
pitot tube (weight that will probably never be used), or having Oregon Aero
seats (too much $'s and too heavy).
Paul, Don and I each live ~ 40 miles from Camus. Let me know if you want to
see or ride in N601RT OR come to the EAA chapter 105 breakfast the first Sat
of the month at Twin Oaks. Don and I are usually there.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, Arplast PV-50, All electric, IFR
equipped, 598.4hrs, 686 landings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51935#51935
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| Subject: | Re: Belt attachment |
We don't want to put this subject to bed yet do we?
I may install two additional brackets at the rear of the baggage
compartment( 701), then link them to the forward brackets with belt
material with 2"+/- of slack. One would have to pull out 2 brackets,
sequentially. What do you think?
Mil Reed
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for 601XL |
Then the 582 would shake the 701 worse then the newer 912 with the
clutch ?
How much longer is your ground run at t.o.with the 582 vs. 912 ? double
?
Mil
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| Subject: | Re: Belt attachment |
I think your best bet would be to eliminate the slack. An airplane crash doesn't
stop until all the aluminum is resting on the ground. What I mean is the
initial force that may pull the first bracket out will most likely still be
present for some time during impact as the plane crumples (damn, now that jut
doesn't sound like much fun!). eliminate the slack and you double your resistance
to breaking a single bracket. The airplane is going to provide some amount
of deceleration protection as it crumples so the brackets need only hold the
pilot to the airframe as it does it's job.
Let's call this my 1/2 penny's worth...
Do Not Archive...
Milburn Reed <milreed@directcon.net> wrote: We don't want to put this subject
to bed yet do we?
I may install two additional brackets at the rear of the baggage compartment(
701), then link them to the forward brackets with belt material with 2"+/- of
slack. One would have to pull out 2 brackets, sequentially. What do you think?
Mil Reed
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| Subject: | remove from list |
remove from list
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jerry Jensen <jensenm33@sbcglobal.net>
remove from list
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| Subject: | Re: Yamaha boots dimensions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Sure, 2001 Mountain Max.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 9:30 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
>
> In a previous post, we saw the part numbers of the Yamaha boots but most
> Yamaha parts sites require us to know the Yamaha product model number and
> year to look up and oreder the parts. Do you have the model and year
> numbers to help me out?
>
> Ed Moody II
> Rayne, LA
> 601XL
>
> ---- Tom Faulkner <tomtafcor@triton.net> wrote:
>>
>> Geoff: The mounting plates for the boots are diamond shaped with max
>> dimensions of 4" x 6".
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yamaha boots dimensions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
That's a much truncated diamond and much closer to 4-1/8 x 6-1/2" at the max
points.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 9:13 AM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
>
> Geoff: The mounting plates for the boots are diamond shaped with max
> dimensions of 4" x 6". They should work in your application.
> Tom Faulkner
> N801TP
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Polished Aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "neitzel" <n963wb@frontiernet.net>
Greetings all,
I have been following the paint or polish thread for some time and have
appreciated the input as, I too, was debating the same question. What
concerned me was the aluminum for my 701 appears to have a "grain" to it.
This grain probably is the result of the material being rolled to the proper
thickness. The metal I intend to polish certainly is not oxidized, but to
polish out this grain appearance requires a more aggressive approach. I
took a piece of my skin material to OSH and went first to the Nuvite booth.
Bob McHugh spent nearly an hour working a small area explaining the process
and working the metal with five different materials (F9,F7,G6,C and S). The
final finish with the "S" grade gave a pretty decent shine and nearly
eliminated the grain appearance. His recommendation to polish a 701: 11
pounds of the five products @ $37/pound or $408 for the polishing medium.
He also sold an equipment package for another $500. This seemed like a lot
of money for the two buffers and required pads but in his defense they
appeared to be high quality tools.
aluminum and asked him to demonstrate what his product would do. Jay worked
with three different grades of product from course to fine and produced
favorable results in 1/3 the time required with Nuvite. I showed the
aluminum to an impartial judge (wife) and before I told her my choice, she
picked the Rolite spot. I agreed with her that the Rolite appeared to be a
brighter shine. According to Jay, I can polish my entire aircraft with five
pounds of his product. I was skeptical but he assured me that if applied
correctly, it would be enough. Someone one on the list suggested lightly
coating the skin with mineral spirits before applying the polish. He stated
that the polish went further and was easier to apply. Seems like a sound
tip and will try that approach with the Rolite. Total cost of his products:
$154. This included three buffing heads (one for each of the grades of
polish) several applicator pads and a sealant. This product is available on
line for a cost of $119 plus shipping. This price does not include the pads
and buffing heads. Site address is:
www.topoftheline.com/rolmetpolkit.html I am in no way affiliated with
this site or product, I am merely passing along a way for anyone who wishes
more information about this product as well as a means to secure the
product.
There was some discussion as to whether a sealant was needed. According to
Jay of Rolite, the final shine will last considerably longer if the sealant
is applied. He also stated that after a flight if a much diluted spray of
the sealant was misted on the leading edges to remove bugs, this would
further preserve the shine and remove bugs before they have a chance to
"set". Seemed like good advice.
I did buy from Rolite and as yet have not experimented with it. I would
rather be pulling rivets and getting my bird to the hangar. I will get the
polish going before the final assembly so I am not standing on my head
trying to buff the under sides of the wings and tail. I will let everyone
know how it goes when I get started. I realize there is lots of work
involved getting to the final shine but I think I will be glad that I took
the polish plunge.
Thanks for all the good tips.
Dick Neitzel
Sayner, WI
701 Jabiru 2200
Wings done-tail done-fuselage on gear-starting instrument panel-will hang
engine next
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| Subject: | Re: Speed & Zeniths |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Don,
I would be delighted if you would come over for a tech inspection. I
haven't had one since Randy Lervold came out in January - three wings
ago. I don't have the energy to come to the breakfast this month
since I just got back from the first day at the Clark County Fair and
I am exhausted.
Of course it is fine with me if you bring Roy along to see my shop
and plane. If you guys want to fly into Grove to visit I can pick
you both up there. It is only ten minutes from my house.
Just let me know when you would like to come over. I can send you a
map or directions or make other arrangements to make it easy. If you
want to use the telephone, my number is 350 834 2010. Email is more
convenient for me most of the time, but sometimes the phone is the best way.
Best regards,
Paul
At 10:27 AM 8/4/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "don wentz" <dasduck@comcast.net>
>
>Paul,
>I agree with Roy, I would like to come out with Roy and take a look at your
>project, maybe do a Tech Inspection while we're there? I'm a TC for metal
>aircraft and I know I annoyed the heck out of Roy nitpicking his project
>prior to first flight ;-)
>
>Never hurts to get in-person ideas on your project.
>
>BTW - 105 Ch Breakfast is tomorrow at 8am at Twin Oaks. The morning flying
>wx has been perfect this week so should be a huge turnout.
>dw
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N601RT
>Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:06 PM
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "N601RT" <N601RT@comcast.net>
>
>The Zenith Don referred to above is N601RT, which now has almost 600 hrs and
>I expect will have over 1000 hours in a couple more years.
>
>Don shakes his head when he hears about me spending the $'s to add a
>constant speed prop (keep the $'s & don't add the weight), use his heated
>pitot tube (weight that will probably never be used), or having Oregon Aero
>seats (too much $'s and too heavy).
>
>
>Paul, Don and I each live ~ 40 miles from Camus. Let me know if you want to
>see or ride in N601RT OR come to the EAA chapter 105 breakfast the first Sat
>of the month at Twin Oaks. Don and I are usually there.
>
>Regards,
>
>Roy
>
>N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, Arplast PV-50, All electric, IFR
>equipped, 598.4hrs, 686 landings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51935#51935
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Belt attachment slack |
Gee, that's the same way a hangman's noose is rigged. The slack snaps your
neck!
Dave 601-HD 912ULS
I may install two additional brackets at the rear of the baggage
compartment( 701), then link them to the forward brackets with belt material
with 2"+/- of slack. One would have to pull out 2 brackets, sequentially.
What do you think?
Mil Reed
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| Subject: | Belt attachment slack |
FWIW, if you take a look at the seatbelts in your car, if your car is
pre-airbag, they have a section where they overlap and stitch the belt,
so that it effectively gives a progressive trip forward. With airbags
they don't do it.
do not archive
TurboDog's Dad
Bill Cardell
www.flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S
970-242-3800
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:41 PM
Gee, that's the same way a hangman's noose is rigged. The slack snaps
your neck!
Dave 601-HD 912ULS
I may install two additional brackets at the rear of the baggage
compartment( 701), then link them to the forward brackets with belt
material with 2"+/- of slack. One would have to pull out 2 brackets,
sequentially. What do you think?
Mil Reed
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for 601XL |
My guess is probably none or very little. With the 582 the 701 weighs less
than with the 912, especially at or near sea level. Another story at higher
altitudes.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Belt attachment slack |
You can get webbing, which has this overlapped stitched section, at sporting
good stores that carry professional Rock-climbing gear. They are designed to
rip through part way in the event of a violent fall without snapping a
hernia or neck (though admittedly the rope has some spring in it as well).
Seems they would be designed for the same kind of loads we would experience.
Anyone want to test one of these by falling 50-60 feet on a slacked rope.
:-) I have one of these somewhere. I'll find it and take a picture.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Cardell
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 10:35 PM
FWIW, if you take a look at the seatbelts in your car, if your car is
pre-airbag, they have a section where they overlap and stitch the belt, so
that it effectively gives a progressive trip forward. With airbags they
don't do it.
do not archive
TurboDog's Dad
Bill Cardell
www.flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S
970-242-3800
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:41 PM
Gee, that's the same way a hangman's noose is rigged. The slack snaps your
neck!
Dave 601-HD 912ULS
I may install two additional brackets at the rear of the baggage
compartment( 701), then link them to the forward brackets with belt material
with 2"+/- of slack. One would have to pull out 2 brackets, sequentially.
What do you think?
Mil Reed
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| Subject: | Kudos for Home Built Help |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
I wanted to share with the group here about my experience. A while back a plea
was made to purchase some product to help a guy ouy. I did just that but much
to my suprise it was loaded with good useful information.
Using the methods found on the "Scratch Building Basics for Metal Aircraft" DVD from Home Built Help: http://www.homebuilthelp.com/.
I was able to manufacture my Wing Nose Ribs much faster and consistent. Now you
need to know, I have worked in the metal fab trade over 30 years now. I guess
you can teach an old dog new tricks.
I actually bought 2 DVD's one for wiring and one for sheet metal. A week or so
later they sent me another sheet metal one for free. Now I don't know if this
is normal practice but it sure was nice of them to do so.
I have no affiliation, other than being a customer, and I thought we needed to
recoginize this company as one of the good guys.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=52496#52496
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Another point to consider:
How far do you want to move forward during a crash load situation?
Probably not very far, considering that parts of the cockpit may be
moving back to meet you. Just a thought...
George
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