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1. 03:18 AM - Re: 701 seat belt attach (Monty Graves)
2. 04:05 AM - Re: 701 seat belt attach (ron wehba)
3. 04:33 AM - Corvair belt (rhartwig11@juno.com)
4. 06:54 AM - Zenair and Czech Aircraft Works License Termination (Roland Smith)
5. 08:48 AM - Re: Corvair Engine -- not difficult to install (Gig Giacona)
6. 08:54 AM - Re: 701 seat belt attach (Chuck Deiterich)
7. 09:11 AM - Re: 701 seat belt attach (Monty Graves)
8. 09:47 AM - Re: total engine costs involved??? ()
9. 10:16 AM - Re: Corvair belt (JOHN STARN)
10. 10:17 AM - Seat belt failure on N4386W (George Swinford)
11. 10:39 AM - Re: Corvair belt (Tom and Bren Henderson)
12. 10:45 AM - Re: Corvair belt (kevinbonds)
13. 10:48 AM - Re: 701 seat belt attach (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
14. 11:20 AM - Re: New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... (Gig Giacona)
15. 12:00 PM - Re: 701 seat belt attach (Russell J.)
16. 12:20 PM - Re: Corvair belt (JOHN STARN)
17. 12:47 PM - Re: Corvair belt (Paul Moore)
18. 01:13 PM - Thanks, Jon Croke! (Zed Smith)
19. 01:18 PM - Fw: 701 seat belt attach (Chuck Deiterich)
20. 02:34 PM - Re: Changing face on LRI/AOA Gauge (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
21. 04:04 PM - Re: Corvair belt (JOHN STARN)
22. 05:40 PM - Corvair and belts (Dave Thompson)
23. 06:19 PM - Would you purchase a running Corvair flight engine? (Dave Thompson)
24. 06:38 PM - 701 Oil Canning Stiffeners (doug kandle)
25. 06:42 PM - Re: Changing face on LRI/AOA Gauge (George Swinford)
26. 07:23 PM - Re: 701 Oil Canning Stiffeners (LRM)
27. 07:36 PM - Re: Would you purchase a running Corvair flight engine? (Gary Boothe)
28. 08:57 PM - Re: Corvair belt (NYTerminat@AOL.COM)
29. 09:00 PM - Re: Any Zenair CH2000 owners on the List? (Christian Tremblay)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 seat belt attach |
Here is a picture of the 701 plane crash that Chuck D. refers to........N4386W
And a picture of the seat belt attachment showing it pulled through.
It was not Chuck's or my plane. I believe the plane was in Colorado at the
time
Monty Graves
At 11:53 AM 8/6/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
>
>Doug,
>Here is what I wrote.
>
>When I built my 701, I did not feel comfortable with the aluminum seat belt
>attachment that was riveted to the tunnel. In fact, somewhere 4 or 5 years
>ago, on this forum, I read where the bolt between the seat belt and the
>aluminum attachment pulled a slot through the attachment. So I made my
>attachment from 0.40" 4130 steel instead of 0.40" 6061 aluminum. I then
>used the 0.40" 6061 as a doubler on the inside of the tunnel to give more
>thickness to keep the rivets from pulling through. I did not ask ZAC about
>this, but I feel that this is a stronger anchor which actually gets pulled
>by both the lap and shoulder straps.
>
>Chuck D.
>N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: 701 seat belt attach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cebridge.net>
did it hit a hole and flip??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Monty Graves" <mgraves@usmo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 seat belt attach
> Here is a picture of the 701 plane crash that Chuck D. refers
> to........N4386W
>
> And a picture of the seat belt attachment showing it pulled through.
>
> It was not Chuck's or my plane. I believe the plane was in Colorado at
> the
> time
>
>
> Monty Graves
>
> At 11:53 AM 8/6/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
>>
>>Doug,
>>Here is what I wrote.
>>
>>When I built my 701, I did not feel comfortable with the aluminum seat
>>belt
>>attachment that was riveted to the tunnel. In fact, somewhere 4 or 5
>>years
>>ago, on this forum, I read where the bolt between the seat belt and the
>>aluminum attachment pulled a slot through the attachment. So I made my
>>attachment from 0.40" 4130 steel instead of 0.40" 6061 aluminum. I then
>>used the 0.40" 6061 as a doubler on the inside of the tunnel to give more
>>thickness to keep the rivets from pulling through. I did not ask ZAC about
>>this, but I feel that this is a stronger anchor which actually gets pulled
>>by both the lap and shoulder straps.
>>
>>Chuck D.
>>N701TX
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
>Actually, I believe there is a belt used for the alternator on WW's
standard 601
>setup.
Dan,
The belt that was being discussed is the one that has to make the 90
degree transition from the horizontal shaft of the crank to the vertical
shaft of the fan. The belt could be thrown if not tensioned properly or
neglected. This belt is not on the WW conversion.
Rich Hartwig
Waunakee, WI
rhartwig11@juno.com
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| Subject: | Zenair and Czech Aircraft Works License Termination |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net>
In following up on a report by "zodierocket" on 31 July from Oshkosh about the
termination of the license between Zenair and CZAW I emailed Sport Aircraft Works
about any impact this might have on the availability of the 701 FWF package
offered by Sport Aircraft Works. (I believe it is made by CZAW?) Their reply:
The termination of license agreement between Zenith and CZAW does not
affect our ability to support Zenair builders. We are still selling
firewall forward packages, seats, bubble doors, strut fairings and
electric flap kits for 701. Allow 2-3 months for delivery.
Roland Smith
--------
701 kit, anticipating Rotax 912 ULS and amphibious trike floats
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine -- not difficult to install |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
I've just ordered my engine mount from WW and got an e-mail from Grace that he
will call me when he's back in FLA to answer some questions I had.
I have a quck question for you Gary. Did you buy either plans for or the actual
cowling from WW?
davgray(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> The Corvair Engine and the FWF items are not0 difficult to install.
> I just did it and I found it to be very straight0 forward.
> All of the parts are readily available and the0 systems are well thought out.
>
> My installation is as per WW's recommendations and0 makes use of almost every
part that he offers. I could have saved money if0 I had followed William Wynne's
> advice sooner. Until William helped0 me, my engine was not good enough and
required a0 redo.
>
> I am nearly ready to begin flight testing. I0 have confidence that the engine,
airframe and the avionics will0 perform as expected and now, in their final
configuration, they are as they0 should be.
>
> When I have solid performance numbers for you, I0 will post them.
> Until I have first hand knowledge I am0 reluctant to comment.
>
> Gary Ray
> 601XL WW Corvair installation,0 Tri-gear , first time builder
>
>
>
> >
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 701 seat belt attach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
NSTB report:
Meshko Zenair / CH-701, Subaru / EA 81 150TTB1
The pilot had just taken off and was climbing at 80 percent power (5,000
rpm) when he noticed the EGT rising "into redline 1,625 degrees F." He
leveled off, reduced power to 4,800 rpm, and reduced propeller pitch. EGT
stopped rising and came down slightly, but was still above redline. All
other engine indications were normal. EGT continued to rise and the engine
started losing power and was "running rough." The pilot tried to land at a
nearby airport, but was forced to make a landing in an open field. He said
he flared at the the last moment and hit the ground sharply. The nose wheel
broke off when it struck a tire track and the airplane nosed over. The
pilot, who also built the airplane, suspected detonation caused the rise in
EGT.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Monty Graves" <mgraves@usmo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 seat belt attach
> Here is a picture of the 701 plane crash that Chuck D. refers
to........N4386W
>
> And a picture of the seat belt attachment showing it pulled through.
>
> It was not Chuck's or my plane. I believe the plane was in Colorado at
the
> time
>
>
> Monty Graves
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| Subject: | Re: 701 seat belt attach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
I forget what happened. Its in the archives
Looks more like he tried to land going across the rows instead of with
them. Looks like the nose wheel completely separated from the
aircraft. Then the nose and prop dug in and flipped....... Not sure what
kind of stubble that is, but a sure way to do some serious damage is land
in corn stubble across the rows.......
The plane was painted in Frontier Airline colors. I believe the pilot was
a pilot for them with high time hrs... just not in the 701........
Monty
At 06:03 AM 8/7/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cebridge.net>
>
>did it hit a hole and flip??
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| Subject: | Re: total engine costs involved??? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
That isn't surprising when you consider that the RV7 complete kit cost only about
$1,000 or so more than the Zodiac kit. The cost difference of these two planes
begins to widen when the builder of the RV buysa 180 - 200 hp engine and a
constant speed prop/prop governor and has his tanks built by a third party, etc.
The key dfference between the RV-12 and the 601XL seems to me to be about choices
of engines, fuel capacity, and useful load rather than cost.
Ed Moody II
---- Tom and Bren Henderson <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
> There has been no price set as of yet, but severl of the Van's staff have
commented it wouldn't be significantly cheaper than the current 2 seat line.
I'm not sure how, or even if, they justify that, but that's the word I've heard
as of now...
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair belt |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
GEE, ya know when I first made that comment about the "belt" I didn't
identify what it looked like, what it was used for, where it was located,
what its job was BUT it seems that EVERYBODY knew exactly what I was talking
about.
Could it be that EVERYONE who ever "drove" one had the same problem ?. Since
I had the Spider with a 4-speed, all you had to do was over rev it a bit
between gears & the belt was off. IMNSHO it was the twisting of the belt 90
degrees four times for every revolution that was the root cause of the
failures, not the fact that it was bent 90 degrees to connect the crankshaft
pulley to the fan pulley.
I bought one used to save on gas but soon I was back to driving my Corvette
again.
What does drive the alternator on the airborne version ?.
KABONG Do Not Archive 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: <rhartwig11@juno.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 4:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair belt
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
>
>>Actually, I believe there is a belt used for the alternator on WW's
> standard 601
>>setup.
>
> Dan,
> The belt that was being discussed is the one that has to make the 90
> degree transition from the horizontal shaft of the crank to the vertical
> shaft of the fan. The belt could be thrown if not tensioned properly or
> neglected. This belt is not on the WW conversion.
> Rich Hartwig
> Waunakee, WI
> rhartwig11@juno.com
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| Subject: | Seat belt failure on N4386W |
Thanks to Monty Graves for the photo of seat belt attachment failure in
the crash of a 701. This is a textbook example of a shear tear-out
failure. Assuming the proportions of this attachment are similar to a
601HD outboard attachment, it probably took a pull in excess of 1330
pounds to cause this failure. Quite a bump!
George
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair belt |
It's still driven by a belt, Lycoming style. I sure wish people would at least
look into something before providing an opinion. Information is a great
thing to share, but we all know what they say about opinions...
JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN
STARN"
GEE, ya know when I first made that comment about the "belt" I didn't
identify what it looked like, what it was used for, where it was located,
what its job was BUT it seems that EVERYBODY knew exactly what I was talking
about.
Could it be that EVERYONE who ever "drove" one had the same problem ?. Since
I had the Spider with a 4-speed, all you had to do was over rev it a bit
between gears & the belt was off. IMNSHO it was the twisting of the belt 90
degrees four times for every revolution that was the root cause of the
failures, not the fact that it was bent 90 degrees to connect the crankshaft
pulley to the fan pulley.
I bought one used to save on gas but soon I was back to driving my Corvette
again.
What does drive the alternator on the airborne version ?.
KABONG Do Not Archive 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 4:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair belt
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
>
>>Actually, I believe there is a belt used for the alternator on WW's
> standard 601
>>setup.
>
> Dan,
> The belt that was being discussed is the one that has to make the 90
> degree transition from the horizontal shaft of the crank to the vertical
> shaft of the fan. The belt could be thrown if not tensioned properly or
> neglected. This belt is not on the WW conversion.
> Rich Hartwig
> Waunakee, WI
> rhartwig11@juno.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Dan is correct that there is a belt for the alternator, but yes I knew
exactly what you were talking about. What I should have said is there are no
belts (such as fan or redrive etc.) that would cause and engine out in
flight. Incidently, Bernie Pietenpol did use the blower, with that crazy
90deg bend, on his planes.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair belt
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
GEE, ya know when I first made that comment about the "belt" I didn't
identify what it looked like, what it was used for, where it was located,
what its job was BUT it seems that EVERYBODY knew exactly what I was talking
about.
Could it be that EVERYONE who ever "drove" one had the same problem ?. Since
I had the Spider with a 4-speed, all you had to do was over rev it a bit
between gears & the belt was off. IMNSHO it was the twisting of the belt 90
degrees four times for every revolution that was the root cause of the
failures, not the fact that it was bent 90 degrees to connect the crankshaft
pulley to the fan pulley.
I bought one used to save on gas but soon I was back to driving my Corvette
again.
What does drive the alternator on the airborne version ?.
KABONG Do Not Archive 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: <rhartwig11@juno.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 4:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair belt
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
>
>>Actually, I believe there is a belt used for the alternator on WW's
> standard 601
>>setup.
>
> Dan,
> The belt that was being discussed is the one that has to make the 90
> degree transition from the horizontal shaft of the crank to the vertical
> shaft of the fan. The belt could be thrown if not tensioned properly or
> neglected. This belt is not on the WW conversion.
> Rich Hartwig
> Waunakee, WI
> rhartwig11@juno.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 seat belt attach |
In a message dated 8/7/2006 5:20:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
mgraves@usmo.com writes:
Here is a picture of the 701 plane crash that Chuck D. refers
to........N4386W
And a picture of the seat belt attachment showing it pulled through.
It was not Chuck's or my plane. I believe the plane was in Colorado at the
time
It seems to be an early design, the belt attachment fitting thickness on
early prints is .040.
Current prints call for .063 thickness. Just for info.
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| Subject: | Re: New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
This would be an excellent time to remind everyone of the web based version of
the list at [url]forum.matronics.com[/url].
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: 701 seat belt attach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J." <entecrj@sbcglobal.net>
> Looks more like he tried to land going across the rows instead of with
> them. Looks like the nose wheel completely separated from the aircraft.
> Then the nose and prop dug in and flipped....... Not sure what kind of
> stubble that is, but a sure way to do some serious damage is land in
> corn stubble across the rows.......
>
> The plane was painted in Frontier Airline colors. I believe the pilot was
> a pilot for them with high time hrs... just not in the 701........
>
> Monty
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Thats wheat stubble in the picture, wheat stubble rows are fairly shallow,
but you can't rule out ruts from combine and grain cart tires.
R. Johnson
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair belt |
Great photo, it clears up a nagging question I had. Yes, I do have an
opinion on just about everything & one of those other things too.
BUT my opinion was based ONLY on my expertise with the land version and
never questioned the airborne use of the engine.
Wonder why the BMW motorcycle (R-60, R-69) engines were not used to
power aircraft. I've also had an R-60 BMW M/C and with centerline thrust
it would seem to have been a natural. Do Not Archive KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom and Bren Henderson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair belt
It's still driven by a belt, Lycoming style. I sure wish people
would at least look into something before providing an opinion.
Information is a great thing to share, but we all know what they say
about opinions...
JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN"
GEE, ya know when I first made that comment about the "belt" I
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair belt |
At the risk of being flamed for non-substantiated opinionating (remind
me again, is this a discussion forum or sworn testimony?)
BMW cycle engines have, in fact, been used successfully. Google "BMW
aircraft" and get links like this one:
http://www.ultralightnews.com/engineinfo/bmwconversion.htm
Paul
XL - O200
Silver City, NM
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----- Original Message -----
Wonder why the BMW motorcycle (R-60, R-69) engines were not used to
power aircraft.
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| Subject: | Thanks, Jon Croke! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Jon,
Both the DVDs arrived. Thanks much!
As always, good work.
Zed
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| Subject: | 701 seat belt attach |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
The 200 pound Subaru probably did not help the nose gear and the ability to
flare.
> NSTB report:
> Meshko Zenair / CH-701, Subaru / EA 81 150TTB1
>
> The pilot had just taken off and was climbing at 80 percent power (5,000
> rpm) when he noticed the EGT rising "into redline 1,625 degrees F." He
> leveled off, reduced power to 4,800 rpm, and reduced propeller pitch. EGT
> stopped rising and came down slightly, but was still above redline. All
> other engine indications were normal. EGT continued to rise and the engine
> started losing power and was "running rough." The pilot tried to land at a
> nearby airport, but was forced to make a landing in an open field. He said
> he flared at the the last moment and hit the ground sharply. The nose
wheel
> broke off when it struck a tire track and the airplane nosed over. The
> pilot, who also built the airplane, suspected detonation caused the rise
in
> EGT.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Monty Graves" <mgraves@usmo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 seat belt attach
>
>
> > Here is a picture of the 701 plane crash that Chuck D. refers
> to........N4386W
> >
> > And a picture of the seat belt attachment showing it pulled through.
> >
> > It was not Chuck's or my plane. I believe the plane was in Colorado at
> the
> > time
> >
> >
> > Monty Graves
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Changing face on LRI/AOA Gauge |
Paul, I took the white face plate off by the two little screws. Then I
carefully pushed the two rubber stop pegs out. I glued the new face (that Scott
was
kind enough to send me and whom I owe) to the metal plate, pushed an ice pic
through the holes and reinstalled the rubber pegs. Looks like a pro did it.
Best regards, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair belt |
Sometimes in order to more gain information one is required to ask a
rhetorical question or one in which he has some knowledge. From being a
detective & teacher I have learned to ask questions where I have some if
limited knowledge so as to verify the veracity of the answers. In other
words I don't ask questions where I don't know 25% or so of the answer.
Great info on the BMW. Three problem areas as I see them. Not quite
enough HP, run in pusher designs only, gear reduction box. Guess that's
why I like the Jabiru 3300 BUT that's not going to be available for the
RV-12.
What is everyone using in form of a pulled/pop rivet to attach the
canopy on the early Zodiac's 601. Guy here at APV needs some, their
identifier # & where to order them. Aircraft Spruce does not have them.
ZAC says three weeks.
KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Moore
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair belt
At the risk of being flamed for non-substantiated opinionating (remind
me again, is this a discussion forum or sworn testimony?)
BMW cycle engines have, in fact, been used successfully. Google "BMW
aircraft" and get links like this one:
http://www.ultralightnews.com/engineinfo/bmwconversion.htm
Paul
XL - O200
Silver City, NM
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----- Original Message -----
Wonder why the BMW motorcycle (R-60, R-69) engines were not used to
power aircraft.
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| Subject: | Corvair and belts |
For your information & entertainment
The very early, 1960's Bernie Pietenpol Corvair conversions DID use a belt
to drive the cooling fan and alternator. Today's Corvair conversions (at
least most of them) only use a belt to drive the alternator. Very much like
the Cont. & Lyco. The failure rate of a straight-on belt VS a twisting belt
like on the Corvair auto cooling fan has got to be much lower. By the way,
my '64 Corvair Convertible runs a "new technology" belt, much stronger than
the 60's technology. I do however carry a spare in the front trunk. I
replace it every 6000 miles every other oil change just in case. My old Ford
"beat-a-pickup" has had the same factory straight-on belt for over 100,000
miles, I know, I should change it :)
I most likely would not FLY behind a twisting belt either.
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
Westminster, CA
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P. S. Come-on! Let's not start another string of rants!
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| Subject: | Would you purchase a running Corvair flight engine? |
If you do not like the Corvair as a flight engine, Please skip this message
Guys,
Last week I offered my Corvair engine core for sale. Since then, several
people have suggested that even though I am not building an airframe, that I
should still build the engine. If I do build the engine, I would also build
a running stand on a small trailer so I could test it. Most likely, I would
build an entire Firewall Forward package minus the cowling.
IF you were considering Corvair power:
Would you want to build it yourself?
Would you consider purchasing a running engine on a stand with a log book
and assembly pictures? If not, why?
I don't expect to make a profit on a running engine; I would just build it
for the experience. Does that scare you? Why?
To the guys that have responded to the engine sale:
I intend to wait until William Wynne comes back from vacation before I
publish a price if I sell. I asked him for a timeline for the back ordered
parts that I have paid for. (I told him to service the guys that are closer
to flying before me.) I want to have all the parts on-hand before I sell.
Wouldn't you want to get all your parts if you purchased my engine? I'll
write all you guys off list as things progress.
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
Westminster, CA
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| Subject: | 701 Oil Canning Stiffeners |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I remember seeing several notes about the desirability of adding some stiffeners
in the fuselage sides, top and/or bottom to prevent or lessen any oil canning.
I did a search of the list and didn't find anything specific, only a reference
to a mod that someone did.
I am at the point where I need to either add the stiffeners, or close up the fuselage.
Has anyone not added some stiffeners and then found that they would have
provided a significant improvement? Does anyone have some specific suggestions
about where to add the stiffeners?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53245#53245
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| Subject: | Re: Changing face on LRI/AOA Gauge |
Bill:
What glue did you use to attach the new face?
George
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Changing face on LRI/AOA Gauge
Paul, I took the white face plate off by the two little screws. Then I
carefully pushed the two rubber stop pegs out. I glued the new face
(that Scott was kind enough to send me and whom I owe) to the metal
plate, pushed an ice pic through the holes and reinstalled the rubber
pegs. Looks like a pro did it. Best regards, Bill
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8/7/2006
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Oil Canning Stiffeners |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm@skyhawg.com>
Check my site, http://www.skyhawg.com/xbraces.html. Larry, N1345L
www.skyhawg.com.
----- Original Message -----
From: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Oil Canning Stiffeners
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug kandle" <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
>
> I remember seeing several notes about the desirability of adding some
> stiffeners in the fuselage sides, top and/or bottom to prevent or lessen
> any oil canning. I did a search of the list and didn't find anything
> specific, only a reference to a mod that someone did.
>
> I am at the point where I need to either add the stiffeners, or close up
> the fuselage. Has anyone not added some stiffeners and then found that
> they would have provided a significant improvement? Does anyone have some
> specific suggestions about where to add the stiffeners?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53245#53245
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
>
>
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| Subject: | Would you purchase a running Corvair flight engine? |
Dave,
I think I get the nature of your question and, just for the sake of
discussion, as I enjoy wrenching as much as riveting, doping, and getting
pricked by safety wire, I would be open to purchasing a running engine.
Seeing it run and reviewing a comprehensive log of the process would be key.
I would probably want to at least witness a compression check, also. Such
things are similar to purchasing a complete homebuilt and much depends on
the first impression the seller makes to the buyer, and the ensuing
inspections. One should look veeeery closely at all the details when
purchasing another's flying machine, or the mill that makes it go.
Of course, a WW conversion would set the $$ bar, and all others would
probably fall somewhere beneath that bar.
Good luck with your decision,
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings almost done..
If you do not like the Corvair as a flight engine, Please skip this message
Guys,
Last week I offered my Corvair engine core for sale. Since then, several
people have suggested that even though I am not building an airframe, that I
should still build the engine. If I do build the engine, I would also build
a running stand on a small trailer so I could test it. Most likely, I would
build an entire Firewall Forward package minus the cowling.
IF you were considering Corvair power:
Would you want to build it yourself?
Would you consider purchasing a running engine on a stand with a log book
and assembly pictures? If not, why?
I don't expect to make a profit on a running engine; I would just build it
for the experience. Does that scare you? Why?
To the guys that have responded to the engine sale:
I intend to wait until William Wynne comes back from vacation before I
publish a price if I sell. I asked him for a timeline for the back ordered
parts that I have paid for. (I told him to service the guys that are closer
to flying before me.) I want to have all the parts on-hand before I sell.
Wouldn't you want to get all your parts if you purchased my engine? I'll
write all you guys off list as things progress.
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
Westminster, CA
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair belt |
What about the Honda Goldwing 1800cc engine? Fuel injected, 6 cyl and sweet
running.
In a message dated 8/7/2006 3:21:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhstarn@verizon.net writes:
Wonder why the BMW motorcycle (R-60, R-69) engines were not used to power
aircraft. I've also had an R-60 BMW M/C and with centerline thrust it would
seem to have been a natural. Do Not Archive KABONG
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| Subject: | Any Zenair CH2000 owners on the List? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Christian Tremblay <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca>
Scott,
I think the guy you talking about is Jeff Paden.
You can see his web site at the following address. Effectively, is Web sit
is interesting and may be Rocky could find answer to his questions of Canopy
http://www.madbbs.com/~jpaden/
Christian Tremblay
The guy who build a CH640 from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
-----Message d'origine-----
De: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de N5SL
Envoy: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:57 AM
: zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zenair CH2000 owners on the List?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Rocky:
If you can find a builder of a CH640, you may get some
help there. I understand the ch640 is similar to the
CH2000. Steve Adams in Evans Georgia, Doug Geese of
Churubusco, Indiana and Kay C Caldwell of Gunnison,
Utah are building CH640's according to
http://www.frappr.com/zenithch640
Also, you can contact Zenith Aircraft in Mexico, MO
and they can hook you up with a builder or two.
We had a guy on this list that used to post photos
regularly but I'm embarassed that I can't remember his
name (help me out here guys). He is finished and
flying and had an excellent website with good photos.
I hope this helps,
Scott Laughlin
Omaha, Nebraska
Canopy done,
Working on Engine cowl
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--- TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2
> <tya2@4-fly.net>
> I am a new CH2000 owner, that is the certified
> airplane with the 115 hp
> Lycoming. I am looking for information on the
costs
> of replacing all of the
> windows in terms of raw materials and labor? and I
> am also looking for
> information on any one who has had the factory
> cockpit upgrade done? How
> long did it take?
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