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1. 04:25 AM - Re: Ah, the hingeless Navaid (Michel Therrien)
2. 07:05 AM - Re: Clecos, again (Bill Naumuk)
3. 07:45 AM - Sport Pilot (Tim Perkins)
4. 07:47 AM - Tack rivets (Bill Naumuk)
5. 08:24 AM - Robert Kube (Rick R)
6. 08:31 AM - Dual sticks question (Jaybannist@cs.com)
7. 09:12 AM - Re: Dual sticks question (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
8. 09:25 AM - Re: Dual sticks question (Bill Naumuk)
9. 10:13 AM - 3 flute drill (Mark Sherman)
10. 10:20 AM - Re: Dual sticks question (Jaybannist@cs.com)
11. 10:37 AM - Paint Schemes (Robert L. Stone)
12. 11:35 AM - Re: Hinge less ailerons / Corvair - resale (Gig Giacona)
13. 04:00 PM - Fuel Filler Cap (Wes or Lurlene Bressler)
14. 05:22 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Daniel Dempsey)
15. 08:16 PM - How many Zenith Newsletters do I need? (Matt Stecher)
16. 08:33 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Robert L. Stone)
17. 09:05 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (kevinbonds)
18. 09:52 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (TxDave)
19. 11:27 PM - Re: Re: Paint Schemes (JOHN STARN)
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| Subject: | Re: Ah, the hingeless Navaid |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I have a Navaid with hingeless ailerons.
On the ground, the Navaid Servo is not powerful enough
to bring the ailerons to the stop (I believe on the
right side). We hear the clutch slipping
continuously.
However, in flight, as we all know, the plane requires
little input on the controls... it works well.
Michel
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Clecos, again |
All-
This is a perfect example of the strange HDS construction manual
sequencing. Nothing is said about how to rivet the outboard wings (Which
come first), but 1/3 of the way through the manual when you get to the
stab, there they are. Start in the middle and work your way outboard,
alternating between right and left of the centerline.
Bill Naumuk
40%HDS
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Clecos, again
Hi Jay,
I have learned that one source of warping is the order in which you
set rivets.
If you start at one end and rivet all the way down the line to the
other this causes warping. On the other hand, if you skip around and
randomly set the rivets the parts stay straight.
Go figure!
Paul
XL fuselage
Bill, I aslo wonder if some of the warped wing syndrome could be
attributed to using too few clecoes. I nearly always cleco at least
every third hole and every other one if it looks like alignment might be
a problem.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Perkins" <Timothy.Perkins@uvm.edu>
> I'm not sure how this thread started but I believe you're right Steven.
> If a person is already a PP and lets his/her medical lapse they can fly
> any Sport Pilot compliant plane with a valid drivers license.
This is correct.....but the thread started in regards to a student pilot.
Different situation. The one commonality is that if you go this route (you
let your medical lapse) you can ONLY fly aircraft that fall within the LSA
definition thereafter.
Do not archive
Tim Perkins
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Zodie (and all)
Tack rivets will free up a whole lot of clecos. I thought about it,
but just had to hear it was acceptable practice from someone who's been
there, done that.
I never ran into a shortage until I got to the center wing.
Bill Naumuk
40%HDS
Townville, Pa
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Paging Robert Kube. If your on the list please contact me off line. I need one
of your 1" temp sender adapters.
Thanks
do not archive
Rick
Sharpsburg, GA. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Dual sticks question |
I'm going to try to make it hard to start another (fill in the blank) thread.
Somehow, I got the dual sticks option and no drawings. The photo guide says
to locate the stick connector rod bracket uprights a certain distance from the
centerline of the wing center spar. It refers to the drawings for that
distance. Can anyone tell me what that distance is?
Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Dual sticks question |
The drawings were not in the book they were in one of the boxes or some
where but there is a set of plans. I made the mistake and drilled the holes a
little off. You might check in the back of your plans as they may be there. Are
you scratch building or using zeniths skins? From what I remember the plans
were a little off on the measurements. I will get to the garage today and get
them for you if someone doesn't help you first.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Dual sticks question |
Jay-
Call or e-mail Zenith and have them PDF the missing documents. The
page of the prints with installation instructions for my elevator trim
tab were missing, and they were good about getting them to me.
Bill Naumuk
40%HDS
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Dual sticks question
I'm going to try to make it hard to start another (fill in the blank)
thread. Somehow, I got the dual sticks option and no drawings. The
photo guide says to locate the stick connector rod bracket uprights a
certain distance from the centerline of the wing center spar. It refers
to the drawings for that distance. Can anyone tell me what that
distance is?
Jay in Dallas, working on XL fuselage
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
Tom H.
The 3 flute drill sounds like a great idea. Can you
tell me who makes them and where I might buy one? And
what is the cost as compared to a standered drill?
I was told that a 135 degree split point high speed or
cobalt drill was best for starting a hole.
Mark S.
701/912S
Painting in CA
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| Subject: | Re: Dual sticks question |
Bill, Thanks. I e-mailed them Friday afternoon. That is usually when I need
help from ZAC, so it will probably be Wednesday or Thursday before they
answer. I wanted to do something before they got back to me if possible.
Jay in Dallas
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When I reach the time of painting my ZodiacXL, I am thinking of
using a scheme like the one in the attachment. My question to all of
you is, does anyone know where I can get plastic strips like the ones
shown on the Zodiac from Germany shown in the attachment. It looks like
two strips of plastic with alternating red and white squares about 2
inchs by 2 inches. If anyone know where to buy material like I have
described please contact me off net.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Hinge less ailerons / Corvair - resale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
If a potential buyer doesn't even do enough research to read the zenithair.com
while considering the purchase of a 601XL they probably won't notice the hingge
or lack of it.
[quote="601zv(at)ritternet.com"]On the other0 hand, any potential buyer not familiar
with the hingeless system is likely to be0 very skeptical.
> ---
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54578#54578
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Thread Listers: We are 601XL kit builders and have encountered problems
fitting the 15 gallon fuel tanks in the nose skin. The top of the fuel
filler threaded bushing,P/N M142, pg. 6-K-1, is flush with the seam
welds on the tank end and back. Cinching the nose skin to final position
leaves the bushing surface 2-3 mm below the skin and leaves the filler
cap 8-10 mm above the skin.
The threaded fuel filler insert that holds the cap is larger than the
bushing and is unthreaded for the upper 10 mm; this leaves the cap 7-8
mm above the skin with an unsealed opening.
Has anyone else had this problem? What solutions are acceptable to bring
the cap down to the skin and or seal the opening?
Looking through the quick drain and vent holes in the bottom of the nose
skin the tank appears to be sitting on the cork strips. We've called ZAC
and talked with Nick. One solution recommended was to bevel the surface
of the threaded bushing to allow the insert to drop, but he cautioned
that would only work for a 3-4 mm depth, leaving the filler cap about 4
mm above the skin. He also indicated if no satisfactory solution could
be achieved, the tanks could be shipped back to the factory for
retrofitting. He indicated that the factory was presently welding the
threaded bushing slightly lower.
Thank you all for your participation on these builder questions.
Wes & Lurlene Bressler; bressler@wyoming.com
Empenage done; working on the hard wing
601WL in Laramie, WY
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes |
Bob,
Is it possible that it is just paint?
Dan Dempsey (Plans building XL, Central Virginia)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
When I reach the time of painting my ZodiacXL, I am thinking of using a
scheme like the one in the attachment. My question to all of you is, does anyone
know where I can get plastic strips like the ones shown on the Zodiac from
Germany shown in the attachment. It looks like two strips of plastic with alternating
red and white squares about 2 inchs by 2 inches. If anyone know where
to buy material like I have described please contact me off net.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | How many Zenith Newsletters do I need? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt Stecher" <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
I would like to thank everyone that offered their support and aid in my
quest to fly in an XL that I build from scratch.
As well I am hoping to narrow down how many of the Zenith Newsletters I have
to back order in order to get all the latest data on the aircraft and its
associated systems.
The newsletter order form suggested I order all of them for like the last 10
years (that may be off as I sent the form off and cant remember the exact
figure), but I am hoping to narrow that down to just what I need.
Thanks again for all your help and I look forward to communing with the
group.
Thanks,
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes |
Dan,
I have no idea because the aircraft is in Germany. I have checked
on having it done with paint and it's very expensive that way.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Dempsey
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
Bob,
Is it possible that it is just paint?
Dan Dempsey (Plans building XL, Central Virginia)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
When I reach the time of painting my ZodiacXL, I am thinking of
using a scheme like the one in the attachment. My question to all of
you is, does anyone know where I can get plastic strips like the ones
shown on the Zodiac from Germany shown in the attachment. It looks like
two strips of plastic with alternating red and white squares about 2
inchs by 2 inches. If anyone know where to buy material like I have
described please contact me off net.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Seems like you could do this with masking tape pretty easily. I imagine you
could even fade it by doing multiple rows and going successively thinner. It
would look nice that way. I have thought a lot about paint schemes myself. I
would like to play with some techniques I've seen. I saw a guy lay down a
base coat, then mask off some stripes, but before he laid down the second
coat of some kind of transparent color, he laid lace fabric on top and shot
the color through it. It looked really cool.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
Dan,
I have no idea because the aircraft is in Germany. I have checked on
having it done with paint and it's very expensive that way.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Dempsey <mailto:leinad@direcway.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
Bob,
Is it possible that it is just paint?
Dan Dempsey (Plans building XL, Central Virginia)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone <mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
When I reach the time of painting my ZodiacXL, I am thinking of using a
scheme like the one in the attachment. My question to all of you is, does
anyone know where I can get plastic strips like the ones shown on the Zodiac
from Germany shown in the attachment. It looks like two strips of plastic
with alternating red and white squares about 2 inchs by 2 inches. If anyone
know where to buy material like I have described please contact me off net.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
Hey Bob,
What you're talking about is pressure sensitive vinyl graphics. There are several
sites on the internet that sell them. Check out this site as an example.
http://www.lbgraphics.com/
do not archive
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54652#54652
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
We did the "stars & bars, USAF", tail shield (561st Ftg Squ.) & pilot
lettering in the vinyl stuff. We got ours custom made & sized to fit at our
local sign maker shop. Cheap & easy to install. HRII N561FS KABONG
Do Not Archive (it's in there)
----- Original Message -----
From: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Paint Schemes
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey Bob,
>
> What you're talking about is pressure sensitive vinyl graphics. There are
> several sites on the internet that sell them. Check out this site as an
> example.
>
> http://www.lbgraphics.com/
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