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1. 12:41 AM - Re: 3 flute drill (Tom and Bren Henderson)
2. 01:50 AM - Eat your heart out (Jonathan Starke)
3. 04:32 AM - Re: Re: Paint Schemes (Jean-Paul Roy)
4. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: Paint Schemes (TYA2)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: Fuel Filler Cap ()
6. 07:18 AM - Re: Paint Schemes (Robert L. Stone)
7. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Paint Schemes (Robert L. Stone)
8. 07:59 AM - Re: Fuel Filler Cap (Robin Bellach)
9. 10:27 AM - Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
10. 10:38 AM - How to wrap top skin around XL support tubes? (deglass1@aol.com)
11. 10:41 AM - Re: Fuel Filler Cap (Mike)
12. 10:45 AM - Three flute drill (Mark Sherman)
13. 10:48 AM - Canopy paint trim (LarryMcFarland)
14. 10:51 AM - Re: Paint Schemes (kevinbonds)
15. 11:41 AM - Re: Three flute drill (Clyde Barcus)
16. 11:53 AM - My Abbotsford Air Show Trip in 633Z - delete if you don't want to read about the flight (xl)
17. 12:05 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Graham Kirby)
18. 12:11 PM - Re: Canopy paint trim (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
19. 12:13 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (resend) (Graham Kirby)
20. 12:22 PM - 701 wing tie-down points (billmileski)
21. 12:33 PM - Re: Three flute drill (kevinbonds)
22. 12:53 PM - Re: My Abbotsford Air Show Trip in 633Z - delete if you don't want to read about the flight (Robert L. Stone)
23. 12:54 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Tom and Bren Henderson)
24. 12:54 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Tom and Bren Henderson)
25. 12:54 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Robert L. Stone)
26. 01:03 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (resend) (Robert L. Stone)
27. 01:03 PM - Installing the middle top skin on the 601XL (George Swinford)
28. 01:05 PM - RE : My Abbotsford Air Show - link to sailplane video (Carlos Sa)
29. 01:11 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Robert L. Stone)
30. 01:26 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (resend) ()
31. 01:29 PM - Re: 701 wing tie-down points (Robert Schoenberger)
32. 01:32 PM - Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (TxDave)
33. 02:15 PM - Re: 701 wing tie-down points (Chuck Deiterich)
34. 02:18 PM - Re: RE : My Abbotsford Air Show - link to sailplane video (Tom and Bren Henderson)
35. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (Randy L. Thwing)
36. 02:49 PM - Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (Gig Giacona)
37. 03:03 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Paul Mulwitz)
38. 03:25 PM - Re: Three flute drill (DICK WILBERS)
39. 03:51 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Robert L. Stone)
40. 04:02 PM - Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (Ron Lendon)
41. 04:18 PM - Re: Three flute drill (L. Kilburg)
42. 04:36 PM - Fuel tank for sale (Gpjann@aol.com)
43. 04:39 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Randy Bryant)
44. 04:40 PM - Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (Jeff)
45. 04:44 PM - Re: 701 wing tie-down points (NYTerminat@aol.com)
46. 05:34 PM - Re: Fuel Filler Cap (Lynn Dingfelder)
47. 05:42 PM - Engine for sale - suitable for CH-801 (J2j3h4@aol.com)
48. 06:27 PM - Re: Three flute drill (JOHN STARN)
49. 06:52 PM - Re: Engine for sale - suitable for CH-801 (Steve Hulland)
50. 07:20 PM - 1001 things to do with a laser level (OFF TOPIC - DELETE NOW OR FOREVER something, something...) (Carlos Sa)
51. 11:03 PM - Had a great days flying (Jonathan Starke)
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| Subject: | Re: 3 flute drill |
The drill you mention is probably at least as good as the ones I've been using. If it's working for you, I wouldn't change it. If you still want to try the three flute bit, check out McMaster-Carr at www.mcmaster.com. I think they were running a little less than $6 last time I bought them.
Hope they help!
Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
Mark Sherman
Tom H.
The 3 flute drill sounds like a great idea. Can you
tell me who makes them and where I might buy one? And
what is the cost as compared to a standered drill?
I was told that a 135 degree split point high speed or
cobalt drill was best for starting a hole.
Mark S.
701/912S
Painting in CA
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| Subject: | Eat your heart out |
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Vinyl graphic works very good. I had my call letters (Canada) made by a sign
shop and applied it on my fabric plane. It's been 3 years now and it never
moved. Cheap too.
Hope this helps
Jean-Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
Dear Jean Paul,
I need Canadian Registration letters for my American CH2000. Could you
please send me directly the address and phone number of the shop you used
and what they charged. My family & I speak French so dealing with a
Quebec business would not be a problem for me.
Rocky in Alberta
tya2@4-fly.net
At 07:23 AM 8/14/2006 -0400, you wrote:
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>Vinyl graphic works very good. I had my call letters (Canada) made by a sign
>shop and applied it on my fabric plane. It's been 3 years now and it never
>moved. Cheap too.
>Hope this helps
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>Jean-Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filler Cap |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
If they offered you the option of refitting the tanks, you should definitley take
that them up on it. I just finished grinding a bevel into the female threaded
rings on both tanks on my 601XL for the reason you stated.
The first one I did was a real struggle. The threads got fouled and I ended up
buffing the threads off both male and female parts and ProSealing the filler neck
into place when I closed up that wing.
The secong one went better and I was able to preserve the integrity of the threads
so it will install normally when I close this wing in a few more days.
Wouldn't you know, I waited to contact Zenith about the issue (stupid me) until
last week to suggest that they weld the female ring under the upper tank skin
only to find out that they had already begun fitting it that way. If I had known
that earlier, I would not have sweated through the beveling operation.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / 2nd wing
---- Wes or Lurlene Bressler <bressler@wyoming.com> wrote:
> Thread Listers: We are 601XL kit builders and have encountered problems fitting
the 15 gallon fuel tanks in the nose skin.
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes |
Hi Kevin,
If you can find a picture of what you describe in the last part of
your message, I sure would like to see it. I think that is how the
paint job was on that ZodiacXL in Germany.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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----- Original Message -----
From: kevinbonds
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:03 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
Seems like you could do this with masking tape pretty easily. I
imagine you could even fade it by doing multiple rows and going
successively thinner. It would look nice that way. I have thought a lot
about paint schemes myself. I would like to play with some techniques
I've seen. I saw a guy lay down a base coat, then mask off some stripes,
but before he laid down the second coat of some kind of transparent
color, he laid lace fabric on top and shot the color through it. It
looked really cool.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stone
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:32 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
Dan,
I have no idea because the aircraft is in Germany. I have
checked on having it done with paint and it's very expensive that way.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Dempsey
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
Bob,
Is it possible that it is just paint?
Dan Dempsey (Plans building XL, Central Virginia)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
When I reach the time of painting my ZodiacXL, I am thinking
of using a scheme like the one in the attachment. My question to all of
you is, does anyone know where I can get plastic strips like the ones
shown on the Zodiac from Germany shown in the attachment. It looks like
two strips of plastic with alternating red and white squares about 2
inchs by 2 inches. If anyone know where to buy material like I have
described please contact me off net.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Dave,
I looked at their web site and can't find anywhere on it a way to get
in touch with them???
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Paint Schemes
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey Bob,
>
> What you're talking about is pressure sensitive vinyl graphics. There are
> several sites on the internet that sell them. Check out this site as an
> example.
>
> http://www.lbgraphics.com/
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> do not archive
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> Dave Clay
> Temple, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54652#54652
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filler Cap |
I have 4 tank caps to do on my 601xl. Does anyone have a clever way to
cut or grind a nice smooth bevel without chucking the wing in a giant
lathe?
----- Original Message -----
From: Wes or Lurlene Bressler
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:56 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Filler Cap
Thread Listers: We are 601XL kit builders and have encountered
problems fitting the 15 gallon fuel tanks in the nose skin. The top of
the fuel filler threaded bushing,P/N M142, pg. 6-K-1, is flush with the
seam welds on the tank end and back. Cinching the nose skin to final
position leaves the bushing surface 2-3 mm below the skin and leaves the
filler cap 8-10 mm above the skin.
The threaded fuel filler insert that holds the cap is larger than the
bushing and is unthreaded for the upper 10 mm; this leaves the cap 7-8
mm above the skin with an unsealed opening.
Has anyone else had this problem? What solutions are acceptable to
bring the cap down to the skin and or seal the opening?
Looking through the quick drain and vent holes in the bottom of the
nose skin the tank appears to be sitting on the cork strips. We've
called ZAC and talked with Nick. One solution recommended was to bevel
the surface of the threaded bushing to allow the insert to drop, but he
cautioned that would only work for a 3-4 mm depth, leaving the filler
cap about 4 mm above the skin. He also indicated if no satisfactory
solution could be achieved, the tanks could be shipped back to the
factory for retrofitting. He indicated that the factory was presently
welding the threaded bushing slightly lower.
Thank you all for your participation on these builder questions.
Wes & Lurlene Bressler; bressler@wyoming.com
Empenage done; working on the hard wing
601WL in Laramie, WY
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| Subject: | Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! |
Dear Thread Friends, I received a call from a fellow builder named Jim on
Friday. Said he had seen the write up on my XL in Sport Pilot, that he lived
about 60 miles away and could he come look at my plane Saturday morning ? Sure.
I
met him at the FSO ( I was 30 minutes late, as always). I met him, drank a cup
of coffee, listened and talked a while. Sorta wanted to get to know this
stranger before taking him over to the hanger. When we went to look at the plane
Jim really started looking at her and eyeballing her hard. Jim seemed very much
less than excited about the prospect of the long building road ahead as he
was only working on the first wing. I got the distinct feeling that here was a
fellow that might not really want to build an airplane. Jim continued to look
at things and as I fielded questions I was moving around pre flighting the
plane. I started rolling her out and Jim looked a bit surprised. We hopped right
in and she started and performed well (showing off I think for a new passenger)
After climbing up to 3000 I just turned it over to Jim and he was smiling. He
kept looking around as he made turns and with a couple minutes of bumping
around easliy grasped the sensitivity and responsiveness of the dual stick. We
flew around the local area for a while and I brought her in nice and soft (even
used the flaps) I had Jim taxi over to the hanger and we talked a bit before
de planing. From what I gathered Jim had basically inherited the XL project
from his Father that had passed away about a year ago and the dream was really
his Father's. The reason I'm writing this is that after the flight Jim was a
different person. He seemed genuinely eager to get to building. In fact, about
an
hour after he left he called and wanted to return and take some photos and he
did. I don't know for sure, but the attitude difference between the "before
flight Jim" was significant from the "after flight Jim." I felt really good
that maybe my plane, the flight and my optimism and enthusiasm had made a
positive impact on a builder that may have been wavering. Yes, I felt so good I
tinkered on the plane until after 10 pm. Now I know this is a long boring story
and not nearly as interesting as aileron hinges, paint and scotchbite, but you
never know how we as builders, flyers and men can provide the little spark that
may be felt by others for years to come. Jim, if your out there, your welcome
at my hanger anytime.
Best Regards,
Bill of Georgia
N505WP
601XL-3300
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| Subject: | How to wrap top skin around XL support tubes? |
I'm finally ready to install the middle top skin on the XL fuselage, transforming
what has long looked more like a canoe into something resembling, well, a
covered canoe. Please share the method you used to roll the front edge of the
skin over the B2 support tube, and how to minimize the unsightly bulge in the
compund curve where the front of the skin overlaps the lower fuselage.
Thanks for all the great info shared on this list!
David Glass
N253DG reserved
XL fuselage nearing airframe completion
in central Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filler Cap |
Anyone have a picture of these thread rings everyone is talking about? I have an
older model of the XL and there's no such thing. I'd be surious to see if that's
a better solution than what I ended up with, because I too have a gap between
the skin and the filler neck.
Mike Fortunato
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dredmoody@cox.net wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
just finished grinding a bevel into the female threaded rings on both tanks on
my 601XL for the reason you stated.
The first one I did was a real struggle. The threads got fouled and I ended up
buffing the threads off both male and female parts and ProSealing the filler neck
into place when I closed up that wing.
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| Subject: | Three flute drill |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
Tom H.
I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could
find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and
$15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill
would be appropriate for a hand drill.
I think the possibility of cutting our drilling time
in half by not drilling a pilot hole would be of
interest to everyone, if the quality of the hole is
the same as with pilot drilling.
If you could provide me with a part number or link to
the part, that would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Mark S.
701/912S
Always looking for a better way
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| Subject: | Canopy paint trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hi guys,
Looking ahead to painting the fuselage and canopy separately of course,
but wondering how many of you painted the canopy with the acrylic bubble
separate from
the frame and bows. The complication is removing the rear seal trim at
the sheet
metal sides. Would probably paint the screws too, but separately if
disassembly is the better way
to go. For removing screws after paint, disassembly might be better in
the long run.
Any opinions?
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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I wish I had a picture of it myself. I can't remember where I saw it. It was
a few year ago before I started building. It was probably one of the Car
building shows like American Hotrod or Pimp My Ride or some such. It was
very subtle though because he sprayed a coat or two, very lightly, of semi
transparent over the lace pattern which softened it. I've got a look in mind
that would not be too difficult and very subtle but sharp looking.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
Hi Kevin,
If you can find a picture of what you describe in the last part of your
message, I sure would like to see it. I think that is how the paint job was
on that ZodiacXL in Germany.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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----- Original Message -----
From: kevinbonds <mailto:kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:03 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
Seems like you could do this with masking tape pretty easily. I imagine you
could even fade it by doing multiple rows and going successively thinner. It
would look nice that way. I have thought a lot about paint schemes myself. I
would like to play with some techniques I've seen. I saw a guy lay down a
base coat, then mask off some stripes, but before he laid down the second
coat of some kind of transparent color, he laid lace fabric on top and shot
the color through it. It looked really cool.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
Dan,
I have no idea because the aircraft is in Germany. I have checked on
having it done with paint and it's very expensive that way.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Dempsey <mailto:leinad@direcway.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
Bob,
Is it possible that it is just paint?
Dan Dempsey (Plans building XL, Central Virginia)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone <mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
When I reach the time of painting my ZodiacXL, I am thinking of using a
scheme like the one in the attachment. My question to all of you is, does
anyone know where I can get plastic strips like the ones shown on the Zodiac
from Germany shown in the attachment. It looks like two strips of plastic
with alternating red and white squares about 2 inchs by 2 inches. If anyone
know where to buy material like I have described please contact me off net.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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| Subject: | Re: Three flute drill |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one for
A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as
sharp when new as the new high speed steel.
Clyde
601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sherman" <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
>
> Tom H.
>
> I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could
> find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and
> $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill
> would be appropriate for a hand drill.
>
> I think the possibility of cutting our drilling time
> in half by not drilling a pilot hole would be of
> interest to everyone, if the quality of the hole is
> the same as with pilot drilling.
>
> If you could provide me with a part number or link to
> the part, that would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Mark S.
> 701/912S
> Always looking for a better way
>
> do not archive
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | My Abbotsford Air Show Trip in 633Z - delete if you don't |
want to read about the flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
I took my first flight to Canada last weekend.
I was concerned about negotiating customs on both ends.
I had no problems going into Canada but back at Boeing
Field I couldn't find my pilot license. After 10 minutes
of pawing through papers I dug it out. I should have paid
more attention to what I was doing when I checked my papers
before leaving Canada. I thought that I was busted!
The air show was awesome - lots of great action:
http://www.abbotsfordairshow.com/2006/performers.html
There was one other Zenith airplane at the show (that I saw)
- a CH200. It was fun to see one.
Coming into Abbotsford (CYXX) the ATIS said to stay out of the airspace,
unless under ATC control, high speed military aircraft are in the area.
It was 1800 PDT and the airspace is closed from 1000-1700. So I called
the tower and told them I was inbound. They said proceed. When I was
about three miles out, I saw jets landing on 25. The tower told me to
make for the base leg of 07. About a mile from the runway, I asked the
tower if I was heading towards the right runway. Tower replied yes
- do you see the runway. I said yes, but I saw jets landing the other
direction. Tower said yes, that's why we have you manuveuring for 07.
Shortly after I landed a fighter took off with afterburners on and
did 90 degree bank turns over the airfield.
Saturday morning I found help to fix my right brake. On the way to
CYXX the brake line came loose and broke at the fitting. Maurice got
some tools together and helped put the brake line back together. That
afternoon, after the show, as I taxied away for a scenic flight, people
were remarking that - that plane has a broken brake line. Maurice felt
good telling them that he had fixed it. Go - homebuilders! Maurice flies
a Bede5 with a Honda engine.
I camped with a friend that I met while volunteering at the Arlington Air
Show. Ed led the aircraft ramp crew. He's taking lessons at the Langley
Flight School. We flew down the Frasier River, over Victoria Harbor and
out to Horseshoe Bay. I piloted and he navigated and setup the radio.
We passed though several different ATC zones and we had to talk with ATC
in each of them. We then stopped by Langley and had a visit at his flight
school. He had a great time showing me where he flies. Back at CYXX I had
to circle while several jets took off. And a commercial airliner was held
until I landed and back taxied.
The ATC procedures in Canada are very similar to those in the US, but
different enough to throw me off a bit. While I flying in Canada I was
given a squawk code for each flight. The tower automatically activates
and closes your flight plan. The tower says 'cleared for 19' on approach,
but then says 'clear to land' later. They say 'position and wait' not
'position and hold'. There are no 45 degree approaches to downwind. All my
approaches were straight in, except for the first landing - the extended
base approach. But I was prepared to enter the downwind the way I'd be
expected to. I did study the Canadian procedures and had a thorough
preflight briefing from Ed. I needed it, I was in unfamiliar territory.
It was good to have a local pilot show me how to get around.
The next day I hopped from CYXX to Langley with another friend that I met
in Arlington. She said 'wow!' as we turned downwind at CYXX and we had an
awesome 360 degree view of the airfield. (She's learning to fly in a
Champ.) We flew north, then down the Frasier River and south into
Langley. At Langley I filed my flight plan, contacted US Customs, and
misplaced my pilot license.
I'm looking forward to going to show again next year and more scenic
flights.
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
CH601XL, 378 hours
Jabiru 3300, Sensenich wood prop 64x49
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy paint trim |
Larry, I had the same concern that fumes, etc., might damage the plastic.
First of all I did not remove most of the inside and outside factory covering
until final mounting, but the edge all around for a couple inches up was exposed.
I taped 4 mil black plastic with vinyl edge tape to the whole plastic canopy,
inside and out. Then I covered that with top quality masking paper. No leaks
and no damage. Taking the bubble out of the frame was not an option I was
willing to consider after how damed difficult it was to get it together. Best of
Luck, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Paint Schemes (resend) |
Here's a better picture of that nicely painted XL. Apparently it's from
CZAW, owned by A.J. Hekkelman . and based in the Netherlands. Dig a little
on the airports web-site (below) and you'll probably find a way to contact
the owner.
http://www.texelairport.nl/index.html?fotogroot2006/ph3y5.htm&2
Graham Kirby
601HD
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| Subject: | 701 wing tie-down points |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
Hello,
Is there an accepted way to attach ropes to the wings for tying down a 701? Like
adding something at the main spar wing attach points that allows a rope to
be conveniently looped through? There's nothing obvious in the archives about
this.
Help appreciated,
Bill Mileski
Ledyard, CT
701 912S 35 hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54740#54740
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| Subject: | Three flute drill |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Yeah, and at $15 bucks apiece, don't drop it. I hear solid carbide drills
are very brittle and will shatter when dropped. Ouch.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one for
A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as
sharp when new as the new high speed steel.
Clyde
601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sherman" <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
>
> Tom H.
>
> I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could
> find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and
> $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill
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| Subject: | Re: My Abbotsford Air Show Trip in 633Z - delete if you don't |
want to read about the flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Hay Joe,
There was just one thing wrong, No Supermarine Spitfire, the most
beautiful war plane ever built.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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----- Original Message -----
From: "xl" <xl@prosody.org>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: My Abbotsford Air Show Trip in 633Z - delete if you
don't want to read about the flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
>
>
> I took my first flight to Canada last weekend.
> I was concerned about negotiating customs on both ends.
> I had no problems going into Canada but back at Boeing
> Field I couldn't find my pilot license. After 10 minutes
> of pawing through papers I dug it out. I should have paid
> more attention to what I was doing when I checked my papers
> before leaving Canada. I thought that I was busted!
>
> The air show was awesome - lots of great action:
> http://www.abbotsfordairshow.com/2006/performers.html
>
> There was one other Zenith airplane at the show (that I saw)
> - a CH200. It was fun to see one.
>
> Coming into Abbotsford (CYXX) the ATIS said to stay out of the airspace,
> unless under ATC control, high speed military aircraft are in the area.
> It was 1800 PDT and the airspace is closed from 1000-1700. So I called
> the tower and told them I was inbound. They said proceed. When I was
> about three miles out, I saw jets landing on 25. The tower told me to
> make for the base leg of 07. About a mile from the runway, I asked the
> tower if I was heading towards the right runway. Tower replied yes
> - do you see the runway. I said yes, but I saw jets landing the other
> direction. Tower said yes, that's why we have you manuveuring for 07.
> Shortly after I landed a fighter took off with afterburners on and
> did 90 degree bank turns over the airfield.
>
> Saturday morning I found help to fix my right brake. On the way to
> CYXX the brake line came loose and broke at the fitting. Maurice got
> some tools together and helped put the brake line back together. That
> afternoon, after the show, as I taxied away for a scenic flight, people
> were remarking that - that plane has a broken brake line. Maurice felt
> good telling them that he had fixed it. Go - homebuilders! Maurice flies
> a Bede5 with a Honda engine.
>
> I camped with a friend that I met while volunteering at the Arlington Air
> Show. Ed led the aircraft ramp crew. He's taking lessons at the Langley
> Flight School. We flew down the Frasier River, over Victoria Harbor and
> out to Horseshoe Bay. I piloted and he navigated and setup the radio.
> We passed though several different ATC zones and we had to talk with ATC
> in each of them. We then stopped by Langley and had a visit at his flight
> school. He had a great time showing me where he flies. Back at CYXX I had
> to circle while several jets took off. And a commercial airliner was held
> until I landed and back taxied.
>
> The ATC procedures in Canada are very similar to those in the US, but
> different enough to throw me off a bit. While I flying in Canada I was
> given a squawk code for each flight. The tower automatically activates
> and closes your flight plan. The tower says 'cleared for 19' on approach,
> but then says 'clear to land' later. They say 'position and wait' not
> 'position and hold'. There are no 45 degree approaches to downwind. All my
> approaches were straight in, except for the first landing - the extended
> base approach. But I was prepared to enter the downwind the way I'd be
> expected to. I did study the Canadian procedures and had a thorough
> preflight briefing from Ed. I needed it, I was in unfamiliar territory.
> It was good to have a local pilot show me how to get around.
>
> The next day I hopped from CYXX to Langley with another friend that I met
> in Arlington. She said 'wow!' as we turned downwind at CYXX and we had an
> awesome 360 degree view of the airfield. (She's learning to fly in a
> Champ.) We flew north, then down the Frasier River and south into
> Langley. At Langley I filed my flight plan, contacted US Customs, and
> misplaced my pilot license.
>
> I'm looking forward to going to show again next year and more scenic
> flights.
>
> Joe E
> N633Z @ BFI
> CH601XL, 378 hours
> Jabiru 3300, Sensenich wood prop 64x49
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Three flute drill |
You're right, but they last nearly forever if you're careful with them. A
Drill Doctor is a good idea if you're spening more than $100 on your drill bits.
Honestly, I don't see the need to use such expensinve bits on an XL. The
standard High Speed, Two Flute Jobbers work just fine. The holes can be slightly
out of round, but the rivet system takes that into account. Drill carefully
and slowly, and your holes will come out round and clean without any pilot
holes at all.
If someone just happens to be one of the people that can't seem to drill a
round hole, stick with the pilot hole method. It works fine, just takes more
effort!
kevinbonds <kevinbonds@comcast.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds"
Yeah, and at $15 bucks apiece, don't drop it. I hear solid carbide drills
are very brittle and will shatter when dropped. Ouch.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus"
I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one for
A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as
sharp when new as the new high speed steel.
Clyde
601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sherman"
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman
>
> Tom H.
>
> I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could
> find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and
> $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill
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| Subject: | Three flute drill |
You're right, but they last nearly forever if you're careful with them. A
Drill Doctor is a good idea if you're spening more than $100 on your drill bits.
Honestly, I don't see the need to use such expensinve bits on an XL. The
standard High Speed, Two Flute Jobbers work just fine. The holes can be slightly
out of round, but the rivet system takes that into account. Drill carefully
and slowly, and your holes will come out round and clean without any pilot
holes at all.
If someone just happens to be one of the people that can't seem to drill a
round hole, stick with the pilot hole method. It works fine, just takes more
effort!
kevinbonds <kevinbonds@comcast.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds"
Yeah, and at $15 bucks apiece, don't drop it. I hear solid carbide drills
are very brittle and will shatter when dropped. Ouch.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus"
I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one for
A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as
sharp when new as the new high speed steel.
Clyde
601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sherman"
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman
>
> Tom H.
>
> I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could
> find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and
> $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes |
??????????????????
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Kirby" <gk@601hd.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes (resend) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Graham,
Right you are, I thought it was in Germany. It is the same one. I
just looked at the picture I have and the ID Numbers are the same. I really
like that paint job and would like to duplicate it on my XL.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Kirby" <gk@601hd.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes (resend)
>
> Here's a better picture of that nicely painted XL. Apparently it's from
> CZAW, owned by A.J. Hekkelman . and based in the Netherlands. Dig a
> little
> on the airports web-site (below) and you'll probably find a way to contact
> the owner.
>
> http://www.texelairport.nl/index.html?fotogroot2006/ph3y5.htm&2
>
> Graham Kirby
> 601HD
>
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| Subject: | Installing the middle top skin on the 601XL |
To David Glass and others interested:
I have two strong recommendations, based on my experience with the 601HD
fuselage. First, trim the middle top skin to end at the rearmost
tubular frame. Skin the area between the tubular frames with a pair of
skinny triangles spliced at the top. This eliminates any problem of the
two tubular frames having slightly different contours. Also, it is much
easier to form the base of the skinny triangular piece around the curve
of the longeron. Perhaps even more important, if you aren't satisfied
with your first try at it you don't have to replace the entire skin,
just that small piece.
I had very poor luck trying to curl the skin edge around the forward
tube. I ended up cutting a wide notch between each rivet location and
curling the resulting tongues of skin around the tube. This provided a
satisfactory appearance, but were I to do it again I wouldn't worry
about curling the skin at all. Rather I would let the skin edge project
forward and protect it with a U-shaped rubber molding. Aircraft
Spruce's catalog P/N 05-01400 would be my choice. I believe I have seen
this on a factory demo airplane. Perhaps someone else can confirm this.
I have a clear photo of the middle skin clecoed in place, showing these
mods. I would be happy to send a copy, if you are interested.
George
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| Subject: | My Abbotsford Air Show - link to sailplane video |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Joe, thanks for the report!
I folowed your link, and found this amazing sailplane video (Manfred Radius).
Must have been awsome to see the real thing!
http://www.radiusairshows.com/mpeg.mpg
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
polishing wing skins
Montreal, Canada
p4.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Mon Aug 14 19:23:37 GMT 2006
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| Subject: | Re: Three flute drill |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Hay Kevin,
You said on your web site, you are not crazy........Of course you'r
crazy just like the rest of us who like to build airplanes and do what the
birds do better than they do it. We fly higher than any bird in the world,
We fly faster than any bird in the world, and with a proper paint job we
look better than any bird in the world when we are doing it. The only
drawback is, they do it for free, we have to pay through the nose. LOL
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> Yeah, and at $15 bucks apiece, don't drop it. I hear solid carbide drills
> are very brittle and will shatter when dropped. Ouch.
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:41 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
>
> I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one
> for
> A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as
> sharp when new as the new high speed steel.
>
> Clyde
> 601XL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Sherman" <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
> To: "Zenith List" <Zenith-List@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Tom H.
>>
>> I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could
>> find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and
>> $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Schemes (resend) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <capetonian@gmail.com>
>. Dig a little
> on the airports web-site (below) and you'll probably find a way to contact
> the owner.
>
> http://www.texelairport.nl/index.html?fotogroot2006/ph3y5.htm&2
According to the Dutch Aircraft Register the details are:
A.J. Hekkelman,
Wredewoldlaan 2
9727 DG Groningen
Phone from the US +31503600545
I could also give him a call if you have specific questions as I live in the
Netherlands too.
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: 701 wing tie-down points |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Bill . . . in the lower left corner sheet 7V8 of my 701 plans, there's a
detail of a tiedown bracket. I discussed this with Roger at ZAC, and he
said they are seldom installed. Most simply tie a line around the
strut. Robert Schoenberger 701
billmileski wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there an accepted way to attach ropes to the wings for tying down a 701?
Like adding something at the main spar wing attach points that allows a rope to
be conveniently looped through? There's nothing obvious in the archives about
this.
>
> Help appreciated,
>
> Bill Mileski
> Ledyard, CT
> 701 912S 35 hrs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54740#54740
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
Bill,
Your story reminded me of my first airplane ride when I was about 9 or 10 years
old. I used to ride my bicycle to a little airport In my hometown of ElDorado,
Arkansas to watch takeoffs and landings. One day the local Civil Air Patrol
unit was there working on their Aeronca Champ. The squadron leader offered me
a flight and I jumped at the opportunity (back in the early sixties, so no consent
form or waiver or other legal junk was required). Well, that was it, I was
hooked! Now here I am years later building my own airplane.
Your generosity and enthusiasm probably changed this guy's life for the better.
Amazing how a shared flight can have such an impact on someones life. Way to
go!
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
601 Scratch Builder
http://www.daves601xl.com
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54769#54769
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| Subject: | Re: 701 wing tie-down points |
Bill,
Here is what I did. The added piece is from 1/16" 4130 sheet. I put the
"quick link" through the hole in the 4130 and tie the rope to it. I carry
the quick links with me.
Chuck D.
N701TX
> Hello,
>
> Is there an accepted way to attach ropes to the wings for tying down a
701? Like adding something at the main spar wing attach points that allows
a rope to be conveniently looped through? There's nothing obvious in the
archives about this.
>
> Help appreciated,
>
> Bill Mileski
> Ledyard, CT
> 701 912S 35 hrs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54740#54740
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My Abbotsford Air Show - link to sailplane video |
Thanks Carlos, that almost made me choke up a bit. Now there's sombody really
enjoying what aviation makes possible. Beautiful video.
Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos
Sa
Joe, thanks for the report!
I folowed your link, and found this amazing sailplane video (Manfred Radius).
Must have been awsome to see the real thing!
http://www.radiusairshows.com/mpeg.mpg
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
polishing wing skins
Montreal, Canada
p4.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Mon Aug 14 19:23:37 GMT 2006
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
We have a Chapter member; Bob Floodeen, who has mentored youngsters and
hosted as many more exchange students, several of which he helped learn to
fly. Among his successes are:
A Gulfstream 5 Captain flying for Time-Warner
A Mesa Airlines instructor pilot
Just this past year, A German exchange student, who Bob Brought back from
Germany, helped him get his Private ticket here, who is currently in
Lufthansa's Pilot training program.
Bob does more than talk about helping others. He rightly tells us you never
know what influence you might have on someone.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! |
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A Mesa Airlines instructor pilot: I don't know if I'd count this as a success.
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Three flute drill |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Yeah, but I would like to see you land your metal airplane on a tree branch !
Paul
do not archive
>We fly higher than any bird in the world, We fly faster than any
>bird in the world, and with a proper paint job we look better than
>any bird in the world when we are doing it.
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| Subject: | Three flute drill |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS" <RWILBERS@TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
Clyde: You are right. Tungsten carbide drills, or tools for that matter, are
not as sharp as high speed steel because of the metallurgical structure of
the two totally dissimilar materials. However, the carbide drills are harder
and have a higher "red hardness" and higher wear resistance.
The pecking order of drill hardness vs. sharpness is as follows: carbon
steel; molybdenum HSS; cobalt HSS; tungsten HSS; tungsten carbide and
ceramic. The carbon steel has a sharper edge when new, but wears out rapidly
in production application and so on up the line. Ceramic will last a
lifetime if you can get it to cut and not break. Go with a Cobalt HSS split
point with Titanium Nitride coating for the very best "middle ground".
3 flute drills require a "core" hole larger than the core diameter of the
drill, because 3 flute drills, by the nature of their geometry, cannot have
a chisel edge.
For practical purposes when drilling aluminum, a NAS907 type B aircraft
drill will work fine and are cheap enough to throw away when dull.
Bet Regards.................Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one for
A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as
sharp when new as the new high speed steel.
Clyde
601XL
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From: "Mark Sherman" <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
>
> Tom H.
>
> I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could
> find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and
> $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill
> would be appropriate for a hand drill.
>
> I think the possibility of cutting our drilling time
> in half by not drilling a pilot hole would be of
> interest to everyone, if the quality of the hole is
> the same as with pilot drilling.
>
> If you could provide me with a part number or link to
> the part, that would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Mark S.
> 701/912S
> Always looking for a better way
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Three flute drill |
A HELOCOPTER COULD DO IT IF THE BRANCH WAS LARGE ENOUGH
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From: "Paul Mulwitz" <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
<p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Yeah, but I would like to see you land your metal airplane on a tree
branch !
>
> Paul
> do not archive
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>
>>We fly higher than any bird in the world, We fly faster than any
>>bird in the world, and with a proper paint job we look better than
>>any bird in the world when we are doing it.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Bill,
It was a demo flight much like you gave that made me make the decision, I ordered
the 601XL plans the same day.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54803#54803
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| Subject: | Three flute drill |
Ahh, but helicopters don't really fly, they are just so damn ugly that the
Earth rejects them.
Larry K, Iowa, XL wanna builder.
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
A HELOCOPTER COULD DO IT IF THE BRANCH WAS LARGE ENOUGH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <HYPERLINK
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Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
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>
> Yeah, but I would like to see you land your metal airplane on a tree
branch !
>
> Paul
> do not archive
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>
>>We fly higher than any bird in the world, We fly faster than any
>>bird in the world, and with a proper paint job we look better than
>>any bird in the world when we are doing it.
>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank for sale |
I have a Zodiac 601 16 gal. header tank for sale.
It is home made to the 601 plans, adding internal baffles, using proseal.
Tank has been leak tested and also includes fittings.
Weighs 5' 4 oz.
Price $125.00 plus postage.
Greg
770-277-1637
gpjann@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Three flute drill |
They beat the air into submission!
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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From: L. Kilburg
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:18 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
Ahh, but helicopters don't really fly, they are just so damn ugly that
the Earth rejects them.
Larry K, Iowa, XL wanna builder.
do not archive
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stone
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:51 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
A HELOCOPTER COULD DO IT IF THE BRANCH WAS LARGE ENOUGH
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From: "Paul Mulwitz" <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
<p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Yeah, but I would like to see you land your metal airplane on a
tree branch !
>
> Paul
> do not archive
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>>We fly higher than any bird in the world, We fly faster than any
>>bird in the world, and with a proper paint job we look better than
>>any bird in the world when we are doing it.
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| Subject: | Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! |
Way to go Bill! That's pretty much what it is all about: introducing others
to why we do this and getting a great result. It is an uplifting story that
we could use more of.
Jeff Davidson
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day !
Dear Thread Friends, I received a call from a fellow builder named Jim on
Friday. Said he had seen the write up on my XL in Sport Pilot, that he lived
about 60 miles away and could he come look at my plane Saturday morning ?
Sure. I met him at the FSO ( I was 30 minutes late, as always). I met him,
drank a cup of coffee, listened and talked a while. Sorta wanted to get to
know this stranger before taking him over to the hanger. When we went to
look at the plane Jim really started looking at her and eyeballing her hard.
Jim seemed very much less than excited about the prospect of the long
building road ahead as he was only working on the first wing. I got the
distinct feeling that here was a fellow that might not really want to build
an airplane. Jim continued to look at things and as I fielded questions I
was moving around pre flighting the plane. I started rolling her out and Jim
looked a bit surprised. We hopped right in and she started and performed
well (showing off I think for a new passenger) After climbing up to 3000 I
just turned it over to Jim and he was smiling. He kept looking around as he
made turns and with a couple minutes of bumping around easliy grasped the
sensitivity and responsiveness of the dual stick. We flew around the local
area for a while and I brought her in nice and soft (even used the flaps) I
had Jim taxi over to the hanger and we talked a bit before de planing. From
what I gathered Jim had basically inherited the XL project from his Father
that had passed away about a year ago and the dream was really his Father's.
The reason I'm writing this is that after the flight Jim was a different
person. He seemed genuinely eager to get to building. In fact, about an hour
after he left he called and wanted to return and take some photos and he
did. I don't know for sure, but the attitude difference between the "before
flight Jim" was significant from the "after flight Jim." I felt really good
that maybe my plane, the flight and my optimism and enthusiasm had made a
positive impact on a builder that may have been wavering. Yes, I felt so
good I tinkered on the plane until after 10 pm. Now I know this is a long
boring story and not nearly as interesting as aileron hinges, paint and
scotchbite, but you never know how we as builders, flyers and men can
provide the little spark that may be felt by others for years to come. Jim,
if your out there, your welcome at my hanger anytime.
Best Regards,
Bill of Georgia
N505WP
601XL-3300
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| Subject: | Re: 701 wing tie-down points |
Bill,
Not sure what drawings you are using but I installed the Tie down rings per
the bottom left hand corner of 7-V-8. It works well. Drawings are dated
11/2004
Bob Spudis
N701ZX CH-701/912ULS 75 hrs
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" <mileski@sonalysts.com>
Hello,
Is there an accepted way to attach ropes to the wings for tying down a 701?
Like adding something at the main spar wing attach points that allows a rope
to be conveniently looped through? There's nothing obvious in the archives
about this.
Help appreciated,
Bill Mileski
Ledyard, CT
701 912S 35 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filler Cap |
Robin,
I used a straight 1/2 inch dia. router bit in a handheld
high speed grinder. It doesn't look like a lathe cut, but it cut clean
and did minimal damage to the internal threads.
Lynn
Corry,
PA
601XL /
Corvair empennage and wings done (and engine)
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| Subject: | Engine for sale - suitable for CH-801 |
(This would be the smallest engine recommended for the CH-801)
Since I have been informed that I cannot pass my medical, I am forced to
abandon my RV 7 project and have an engine for sale. It is a Lycoming 0-320 (no
suffix - this is apparently one of the earliest) complete with mags, carb,
alternator, & starter (no flywheel/starter ring). It has a hollow crankshaft
to allow the use of a constant-speed prop. I have the logs for the engine. In
the log book, the designation TC #274 follows the model number. The serial
no. is 3876-27. It is the 150 HP version and can run on auto gas. The first
log entry was 5/14/56. The engine was removed from a Piper-20-150 on 6/1/93
for replacement by a larger engine and has been in storage ever since. At the
time of its removal it had 1995 hours SMOH and 4399 total hours. It is
located at Ellington Airport (LUG) near Lewisburg, TN.
Based on similar engines I have seen advertised, I am asking $6500 and will
provide free shipping at this price, but will consider reasonable offers.
Jim Hasper
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| Subject: | Re: Three flute drill |
RIGHT ON, also: They just beat the air into submission.
Don't think so ? ?...then why does the air slam them on the ground once
the beating stops ? ?. 8*)
KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Kilburg
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
Ahh, but helicopters don't really fly, they are just so damn ugly that
the Earth rejects them.
Larry K, Iowa, XL wanna builder.
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stone
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:51 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill
A HELOCOPTER COULD DO IT IF THE BRANCH WAS LARGE ENOUGH
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for sale - suitable for CH-801 |
The 801 is a 4-place airplane, therefore it does not fit into the sports
category. If one were to build it with just two seats and no way to add the
others and it weighed under 1320 gross, you might get it into the sports
category. Others will know more about current engines. I have a Continental
A-65 in my CH600.
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Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | 1001 things to do with a laser level (OFF TOPIC - DELETE |
NOW OR FOREVER something, something...)
First of all, do not archive.
Now that we've settled that, how many things can we do with a laser level? other
than level
stuff, of course.
Number 1 on the list, you can drive the house cat nuts!
...
Number 17 - see attached pic. Cool, eh?
...
Yes, I had way too much time on my hands today.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
polishing wing skins
Montreal, Canada
did I say do not archive? I think I did...
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| Subject: | Had a great days flying |
Hi All,
Trying to resend this mail, as there was a problem yesterday, Had a great day of
flying on Sunday, take a look at the attached photo.
Hope it comes thru this time.
Jonathan Starke
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