---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/14/06: 51 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:41 AM - Re: 3 flute drill (Tom and Bren Henderson) 2. 01:50 AM - Eat your heart out (Jonathan Starke) 3. 04:32 AM - Re: Re: Paint Schemes (Jean-Paul Roy) 4. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: Paint Schemes (TYA2) 5. 06:36 AM - Re: Fuel Filler Cap () 6. 07:18 AM - Re: Paint Schemes (Robert L. Stone) 7. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Paint Schemes (Robert L. Stone) 8. 07:59 AM - Re: Fuel Filler Cap (Robin Bellach) 9. 10:27 AM - Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 10. 10:38 AM - How to wrap top skin around XL support tubes? (deglass1@aol.com) 11. 10:41 AM - Re: Fuel Filler Cap (Mike) 12. 10:45 AM - Three flute drill (Mark Sherman) 13. 10:48 AM - Canopy paint trim (LarryMcFarland) 14. 10:51 AM - Re: Paint Schemes (kevinbonds) 15. 11:41 AM - Re: Three flute drill (Clyde Barcus) 16. 11:53 AM - My Abbotsford Air Show Trip in 633Z - delete if you don't want to read about the flight (xl) 17. 12:05 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Graham Kirby) 18. 12:11 PM - Re: Canopy paint trim (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 19. 12:13 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (resend) (Graham Kirby) 20. 12:22 PM - 701 wing tie-down points (billmileski) 21. 12:33 PM - Re: Three flute drill (kevinbonds) 22. 12:53 PM - Re: My Abbotsford Air Show Trip in 633Z - delete if you don't want to read about the flight (Robert L. Stone) 23. 12:54 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Tom and Bren Henderson) 24. 12:54 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Tom and Bren Henderson) 25. 12:54 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (Robert L. Stone) 26. 01:03 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (resend) (Robert L. Stone) 27. 01:03 PM - Installing the middle top skin on the 601XL (George Swinford) 28. 01:05 PM - RE : My Abbotsford Air Show - link to sailplane video (Carlos Sa) 29. 01:11 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Robert L. Stone) 30. 01:26 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (resend) () 31. 01:29 PM - Re: 701 wing tie-down points (Robert Schoenberger) 32. 01:32 PM - Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (TxDave) 33. 02:15 PM - Re: 701 wing tie-down points (Chuck Deiterich) 34. 02:18 PM - Re: RE : My Abbotsford Air Show - link to sailplane video (Tom and Bren Henderson) 35. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (Randy L. Thwing) 36. 02:49 PM - Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (Gig Giacona) 37. 03:03 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Paul Mulwitz) 38. 03:25 PM - Re: Three flute drill (DICK WILBERS) 39. 03:51 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Robert L. Stone) 40. 04:02 PM - Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (Ron Lendon) 41. 04:18 PM - Re: Three flute drill (L. Kilburg) 42. 04:36 PM - Fuel tank for sale (Gpjann@aol.com) 43. 04:39 PM - Re: Three flute drill (Randy Bryant) 44. 04:40 PM - Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! (Jeff) 45. 04:44 PM - Re: 701 wing tie-down points (NYTerminat@aol.com) 46. 05:34 PM - Re: Fuel Filler Cap (Lynn Dingfelder) 47. 05:42 PM - Engine for sale - suitable for CH-801 (J2j3h4@aol.com) 48. 06:27 PM - Re: Three flute drill (JOHN STARN) 49. 06:52 PM - Re: Engine for sale - suitable for CH-801 (Steve Hulland) 50. 07:20 PM - 1001 things to do with a laser level (OFF TOPIC - DELETE NOW OR FOREVER something, something...) (Carlos Sa) 51. 11:03 PM - Had a great days flying (Jonathan Starke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:56 AM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 3 flute drill The drill you mention is probably at least as good as the ones I've been using. If it's working for you, I wouldn't change it. If you still want to try the three flute bit, check out McMaster-Carr at www.mcmaster.com. I think they were running a little less than $6 last time I bought them. Hope they help! Mark Sherman wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman Tom H. The 3 flute drill sounds like a great idea. Can you tell me who makes them and where I might buy one? And what is the cost as compared to a standered drill? I was told that a 135 degree split point high speed or cobalt drill was best for starting a hole. Mark S. 701/912S Painting in CA __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:27 AM PST US From: "Jonathan Starke" Subject: Zenith-List: Eat your heart out ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:05 AM PST US From: "Jean-Paul Roy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Paint Schemes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" Vinyl graphic works very good. I had my call letters (Canada) made by a sign shop and applied it on my fabric plane. It's been 3 years now and it never moved. Cheap too. Hope this helps Jean-Paul do not archive - The Zenith-List Email Forum - > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:52 AM PST US From: TYA2 Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Paint Schemes --> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 Dear Jean Paul, I need Canadian Registration letters for my American CH2000. Could you please send me directly the address and phone number of the shop you used and what they charged. My family & I speak French so dealing with a Quebec business would not be a problem for me. Rocky in Alberta tya2@4-fly.net At 07:23 AM 8/14/2006 -0400, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" > > >Vinyl graphic works very good. I had my call letters (Canada) made by a sign >shop and applied it on my fabric plane. It's been 3 years now and it never >moved. Cheap too. >Hope this helps > >Jean-Paul >do not archive > > > - The Zenith-List Email Forum - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:36 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Filler Cap --> Zenith-List message posted by: If they offered you the option of refitting the tanks, you should definitley take that them up on it. I just finished grinding a bevel into the female threaded rings on both tanks on my 601XL for the reason you stated. The first one I did was a real struggle. The threads got fouled and I ended up buffing the threads off both male and female parts and ProSealing the filler neck into place when I closed up that wing. The secong one went better and I was able to preserve the integrity of the threads so it will install normally when I close this wing in a few more days. Wouldn't you know, I waited to contact Zenith about the issue (stupid me) until last week to suggest that they weld the female ring under the upper tank skin only to find out that they had already begun fitting it that way. If I had known that earlier, I would not have sweated through the beveling operation. Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL / 2nd wing ---- Wes or Lurlene Bressler wrote: > Thread Listers: We are 601XL kit builders and have encountered problems fitting the 15 gallon fuel tanks in the nose skin. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:28 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes Hi Kevin, If you can find a picture of what you describe in the last part of your message, I sure would like to see it. I think that is how the paint job was on that ZodiacXL in Germany. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinbonds To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes Seems like you could do this with masking tape pretty easily. I imagine you could even fade it by doing multiple rows and going successively thinner. It would look nice that way. I have thought a lot about paint schemes myself. I would like to play with some techniques I've seen. I saw a guy lay down a base coat, then mask off some stripes, but before he laid down the second coat of some kind of transparent color, he laid lace fabric on top and shot the color through it. It looked really cool. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:32 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes Dan, I have no idea because the aircraft is in Germany. I have checked on having it done with paint and it's very expensive that way. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Dempsey To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes Bob, Is it possible that it is just paint? Dan Dempsey (Plans building XL, Central Virginia) ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Stone To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes When I reach the time of painting my ZodiacXL, I am thinking of using a scheme like the one in the attachment. My question to all of you is, does anyone know where I can get plastic strips like the ones shown on the Zodiac from Germany shown in the attachment. It looks like two strips of plastic with alternating red and white squares about 2 inchs by 2 inches. If anyone know where to buy material like I have described please contact me off net. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:20 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Paint Schemes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" Dave, I looked at their web site and can't find anywhere on it a way to get in touch with them??? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "TxDave" Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Paint Schemes > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" > > Hey Bob, > > What you're talking about is pressure sensitive vinyl graphics. There are > several sites on the internet that sell them. Check out this site as an > example. > > http://www.lbgraphics.com/ > > do not archive > > Dave Clay > Temple, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54652#54652 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:32 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Filler Cap I have 4 tank caps to do on my 601xl. Does anyone have a clever way to cut or grind a nice smooth bevel without chucking the wing in a giant lathe? ----- Original Message ----- From: Wes or Lurlene Bressler To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Filler Cap Thread Listers: We are 601XL kit builders and have encountered problems fitting the 15 gallon fuel tanks in the nose skin. The top of the fuel filler threaded bushing,P/N M142, pg. 6-K-1, is flush with the seam welds on the tank end and back. Cinching the nose skin to final position leaves the bushing surface 2-3 mm below the skin and leaves the filler cap 8-10 mm above the skin. The threaded fuel filler insert that holds the cap is larger than the bushing and is unthreaded for the upper 10 mm; this leaves the cap 7-8 mm above the skin with an unsealed opening. Has anyone else had this problem? What solutions are acceptable to bring the cap down to the skin and or seal the opening? Looking through the quick drain and vent holes in the bottom of the nose skin the tank appears to be sitting on the cork strips. We've called ZAC and talked with Nick. One solution recommended was to bevel the surface of the threaded bushing to allow the insert to drop, but he cautioned that would only work for a 3-4 mm depth, leaving the filler cap about 4 mm above the skin. He also indicated if no satisfactory solution could be achieved, the tanks could be shipped back to the factory for retrofitting. He indicated that the factory was presently welding the threaded bushing slightly lower. Thank you all for your participation on these builder questions. Wes & Lurlene Bressler; bressler@wyoming.com Empenage done; working on the hard wing 601WL in Laramie, WY ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:04 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! Dear Thread Friends, I received a call from a fellow builder named Jim on Friday. Said he had seen the write up on my XL in Sport Pilot, that he lived about 60 miles away and could he come look at my plane Saturday morning ? Sure. I met him at the FSO ( I was 30 minutes late, as always). I met him, drank a cup of coffee, listened and talked a while. Sorta wanted to get to know this stranger before taking him over to the hanger. When we went to look at the plane Jim really started looking at her and eyeballing her hard. Jim seemed very much less than excited about the prospect of the long building road ahead as he was only working on the first wing. I got the distinct feeling that here was a fellow that might not really want to build an airplane. Jim continued to look at things and as I fielded questions I was moving around pre flighting the plane. I started rolling her out and Jim looked a bit surprised. We hopped right in and she started and performed well (showing off I think for a new passenger) After climbing up to 3000 I just turned it over to Jim and he was smiling. He kept looking around as he made turns and with a couple minutes of bumping around easliy grasped the sensitivity and responsiveness of the dual stick. We flew around the local area for a while and I brought her in nice and soft (even used the flaps) I had Jim taxi over to the hanger and we talked a bit before de planing. From what I gathered Jim had basically inherited the XL project from his Father that had passed away about a year ago and the dream was really his Father's. The reason I'm writing this is that after the flight Jim was a different person. He seemed genuinely eager to get to building. In fact, about an hour after he left he called and wanted to return and take some photos and he did. I don't know for sure, but the attitude difference between the "before flight Jim" was significant from the "after flight Jim." I felt really good that maybe my plane, the flight and my optimism and enthusiasm had made a positive impact on a builder that may have been wavering. Yes, I felt so good I tinkered on the plane until after 10 pm. Now I know this is a long boring story and not nearly as interesting as aileron hinges, paint and scotchbite, but you never know how we as builders, flyers and men can provide the little spark that may be felt by others for years to come. Jim, if your out there, your welcome at my hanger anytime. Best Regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:08 AM PST US From: deglass1@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: How to wrap top skin around XL support tubes? I'm finally ready to install the middle top skin on the XL fuselage, transforming what has long looked more like a canoe into something resembling, well, a covered canoe. Please share the method you used to roll the front edge of the skin over the B2 support tube, and how to minimize the unsightly bulge in the compund curve where the front of the skin overlaps the lower fuselage. Thanks for all the great info shared on this list! David Glass N253DG reserved XL fuselage nearing airframe completion in central Virginia ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:00 AM PST US From: Mike Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Filler Cap Anyone have a picture of these thread rings everyone is talking about? I have an older model of the XL and there's no such thing. I'd be surious to see if that's a better solution than what I ended up with, because I too have a gap between the skin and the filler neck. Mike Fortunato do not archive dredmoody@cox.net wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: just finished grinding a bevel into the female threaded rings on both tanks on my 601XL for the reason you stated. The first one I did was a real struggle. The threads got fouled and I ended up buffing the threads off both male and female parts and ProSealing the filler neck into place when I closed up that wing. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:05 AM PST US From: Mark Sherman Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman Tom H. I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill would be appropriate for a hand drill. I think the possibility of cutting our drilling time in half by not drilling a pilot hole would be of interest to everyone, if the quality of the hole is the same as with pilot drilling. If you could provide me with a part number or link to the part, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Mark S. 701/912S Always looking for a better way do not archive __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:06 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy paint trim --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Hi guys, Looking ahead to painting the fuselage and canopy separately of course, but wondering how many of you painted the canopy with the acrylic bubble separate from the frame and bows. The complication is removing the rear seal trim at the sheet metal sides. Would probably paint the screws too, but separately if disassembly is the better way to go. For removing screws after paint, disassembly might be better in the long run. Any opinions? Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:38 AM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes I wish I had a picture of it myself. I can't remember where I saw it. It was a few year ago before I started building. It was probably one of the Car building shows like American Hotrod or Pimp My Ride or some such. It was very subtle though because he sprayed a coat or two, very lightly, of semi transparent over the lace pattern which softened it. I've got a look in mind that would not be too difficult and very subtle but sharp looking. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes Hi Kevin, If you can find a picture of what you describe in the last part of your message, I sure would like to see it. I think that is how the paint job was on that ZodiacXL in Germany. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinbonds Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes Seems like you could do this with masking tape pretty easily. I imagine you could even fade it by doing multiple rows and going successively thinner. It would look nice that way. I have thought a lot about paint schemes myself. I would like to play with some techniques I've seen. I saw a guy lay down a base coat, then mask off some stripes, but before he laid down the second coat of some kind of transparent color, he laid lace fabric on top and shot the color through it. It looked really cool. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes Dan, I have no idea because the aircraft is in Germany. I have checked on having it done with paint and it's very expensive that way. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Dempsey Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes Bob, Is it possible that it is just paint? Dan Dempsey (Plans building XL, Central Virginia) ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Stone Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes When I reach the time of painting my ZodiacXL, I am thinking of using a scheme like the one in the attachment. My question to all of you is, does anyone know where I can get plastic strips like the ones shown on the Zodiac from Germany shown in the attachment. It looks like two strips of plastic with alternating red and white squares about 2 inchs by 2 inches. If anyone know where to buy material like I have described please contact me off net. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:14 AM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one for A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as sharp when new as the new high speed steel. Clyde 601XL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sherman" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman > > Tom H. > > I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could > find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and > $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill > would be appropriate for a hand drill. > > I think the possibility of cutting our drilling time > in half by not drilling a pilot hole would be of > interest to everyone, if the quality of the hole is > the same as with pilot drilling. > > If you could provide me with a part number or link to > the part, that would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance > > Mark S. > 701/912S > Always looking for a better way > > do not archive > > __________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:06 AM PST US From: xl Subject: Zenith-List: My Abbotsford Air Show Trip in 633Z - delete if you don't want to read about the flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl I took my first flight to Canada last weekend. I was concerned about negotiating customs on both ends. I had no problems going into Canada but back at Boeing Field I couldn't find my pilot license. After 10 minutes of pawing through papers I dug it out. I should have paid more attention to what I was doing when I checked my papers before leaving Canada. I thought that I was busted! The air show was awesome - lots of great action: http://www.abbotsfordairshow.com/2006/performers.html There was one other Zenith airplane at the show (that I saw) - a CH200. It was fun to see one. Coming into Abbotsford (CYXX) the ATIS said to stay out of the airspace, unless under ATC control, high speed military aircraft are in the area. It was 1800 PDT and the airspace is closed from 1000-1700. So I called the tower and told them I was inbound. They said proceed. When I was about three miles out, I saw jets landing on 25. The tower told me to make for the base leg of 07. About a mile from the runway, I asked the tower if I was heading towards the right runway. Tower replied yes - do you see the runway. I said yes, but I saw jets landing the other direction. Tower said yes, that's why we have you manuveuring for 07. Shortly after I landed a fighter took off with afterburners on and did 90 degree bank turns over the airfield. Saturday morning I found help to fix my right brake. On the way to CYXX the brake line came loose and broke at the fitting. Maurice got some tools together and helped put the brake line back together. That afternoon, after the show, as I taxied away for a scenic flight, people were remarking that - that plane has a broken brake line. Maurice felt good telling them that he had fixed it. Go - homebuilders! Maurice flies a Bede5 with a Honda engine. I camped with a friend that I met while volunteering at the Arlington Air Show. Ed led the aircraft ramp crew. He's taking lessons at the Langley Flight School. We flew down the Frasier River, over Victoria Harbor and out to Horseshoe Bay. I piloted and he navigated and setup the radio. We passed though several different ATC zones and we had to talk with ATC in each of them. We then stopped by Langley and had a visit at his flight school. He had a great time showing me where he flies. Back at CYXX I had to circle while several jets took off. And a commercial airliner was held until I landed and back taxied. The ATC procedures in Canada are very similar to those in the US, but different enough to throw me off a bit. While I flying in Canada I was given a squawk code for each flight. The tower automatically activates and closes your flight plan. The tower says 'cleared for 19' on approach, but then says 'clear to land' later. They say 'position and wait' not 'position and hold'. There are no 45 degree approaches to downwind. All my approaches were straight in, except for the first landing - the extended base approach. But I was prepared to enter the downwind the way I'd be expected to. I did study the Canadian procedures and had a thorough preflight briefing from Ed. I needed it, I was in unfamiliar territory. It was good to have a local pilot show me how to get around. The next day I hopped from CYXX to Langley with another friend that I met in Arlington. She said 'wow!' as we turned downwind at CYXX and we had an awesome 360 degree view of the airfield. (She's learning to fly in a Champ.) We flew north, then down the Frasier River and south into Langley. At Langley I filed my flight plan, contacted US Customs, and misplaced my pilot license. I'm looking forward to going to show again next year and more scenic flights. Joe E N633Z @ BFI CH601XL, 378 hours Jabiru 3300, Sensenich wood prop 64x49 do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:43 PM PST US From: "Graham Kirby" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:10 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy paint trim Larry, I had the same concern that fumes, etc., might damage the plastic. First of all I did not remove most of the inside and outside factory covering until final mounting, but the edge all around for a couple inches up was exposed. I taped 4 mil black plastic with vinyl edge tape to the whole plastic canopy, inside and out. Then I covered that with top quality masking paper. No leaks and no damage. Taking the bubble out of the frame was not an option I was willing to consider after how damed difficult it was to get it together. Best of Luck, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:16 PM PST US From: "Graham Kirby" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes (resend) Here's a better picture of that nicely painted XL. Apparently it's from CZAW, owned by A.J. Hekkelman . and based in the Netherlands. Dig a little on the airports web-site (below) and you'll probably find a way to contact the owner. http://www.texelairport.nl/index.html?fotogroot2006/ph3y5.htm&2 Graham Kirby 601HD ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 wing tie-down points From: "billmileski" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" Hello, Is there an accepted way to attach ropes to the wings for tying down a 701? Like adding something at the main spar wing attach points that allows a rope to be conveniently looped through? There's nothing obvious in the archives about this. Help appreciated, Bill Mileski Ledyard, CT 701 912S 35 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54740#54740 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:16 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Yeah, and at $15 bucks apiece, don't drop it. I hear solid carbide drills are very brittle and will shatter when dropped. Ouch. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one for A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as sharp when new as the new high speed steel. Clyde 601XL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sherman" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman > > Tom H. > > I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could > find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and > $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:10 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: My Abbotsford Air Show Trip in 633Z - delete if you don't want to read about the flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" Hay Joe, There was just one thing wrong, No Supermarine Spitfire, the most beautiful war plane ever built. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "xl" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Zenith-List: My Abbotsford Air Show Trip in 633Z - delete if you don't want to read about the flight > --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl > > > I took my first flight to Canada last weekend. > I was concerned about negotiating customs on both ends. > I had no problems going into Canada but back at Boeing > Field I couldn't find my pilot license. After 10 minutes > of pawing through papers I dug it out. I should have paid > more attention to what I was doing when I checked my papers > before leaving Canada. I thought that I was busted! > > The air show was awesome - lots of great action: > http://www.abbotsfordairshow.com/2006/performers.html > > There was one other Zenith airplane at the show (that I saw) > - a CH200. It was fun to see one. > > Coming into Abbotsford (CYXX) the ATIS said to stay out of the airspace, > unless under ATC control, high speed military aircraft are in the area. > It was 1800 PDT and the airspace is closed from 1000-1700. So I called > the tower and told them I was inbound. They said proceed. When I was > about three miles out, I saw jets landing on 25. The tower told me to > make for the base leg of 07. About a mile from the runway, I asked the > tower if I was heading towards the right runway. Tower replied yes > - do you see the runway. I said yes, but I saw jets landing the other > direction. Tower said yes, that's why we have you manuveuring for 07. > Shortly after I landed a fighter took off with afterburners on and > did 90 degree bank turns over the airfield. > > Saturday morning I found help to fix my right brake. On the way to > CYXX the brake line came loose and broke at the fitting. Maurice got > some tools together and helped put the brake line back together. That > afternoon, after the show, as I taxied away for a scenic flight, people > were remarking that - that plane has a broken brake line. Maurice felt > good telling them that he had fixed it. Go - homebuilders! Maurice flies > a Bede5 with a Honda engine. > > I camped with a friend that I met while volunteering at the Arlington Air > Show. Ed led the aircraft ramp crew. He's taking lessons at the Langley > Flight School. We flew down the Frasier River, over Victoria Harbor and > out to Horseshoe Bay. I piloted and he navigated and setup the radio. > We passed though several different ATC zones and we had to talk with ATC > in each of them. We then stopped by Langley and had a visit at his flight > school. He had a great time showing me where he flies. Back at CYXX I had > to circle while several jets took off. And a commercial airliner was held > until I landed and back taxied. > > The ATC procedures in Canada are very similar to those in the US, but > different enough to throw me off a bit. While I flying in Canada I was > given a squawk code for each flight. The tower automatically activates > and closes your flight plan. The tower says 'cleared for 19' on approach, > but then says 'clear to land' later. They say 'position and wait' not > 'position and hold'. There are no 45 degree approaches to downwind. All my > approaches were straight in, except for the first landing - the extended > base approach. But I was prepared to enter the downwind the way I'd be > expected to. I did study the Canadian procedures and had a thorough > preflight briefing from Ed. I needed it, I was in unfamiliar territory. > It was good to have a local pilot show me how to get around. > > The next day I hopped from CYXX to Langley with another friend that I met > in Arlington. She said 'wow!' as we turned downwind at CYXX and we had an > awesome 360 degree view of the airfield. (She's learning to fly in a > Champ.) We flew north, then down the Frasier River and south into > Langley. At Langley I filed my flight plan, contacted US Customs, and > misplaced my pilot license. > > I'm looking forward to going to show again next year and more scenic > flights. > > Joe E > N633Z @ BFI > CH601XL, 378 hours > Jabiru 3300, Sensenich wood prop 64x49 > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:36 PM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill You're right, but they last nearly forever if you're careful with them. A Drill Doctor is a good idea if you're spening more than $100 on your drill bits. Honestly, I don't see the need to use such expensinve bits on an XL. The standard High Speed, Two Flute Jobbers work just fine. The holes can be slightly out of round, but the rivet system takes that into account. Drill carefully and slowly, and your holes will come out round and clean without any pilot holes at all. If someone just happens to be one of the people that can't seem to drill a round hole, stick with the pilot hole method. It works fine, just takes more effort! kevinbonds wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Yeah, and at $15 bucks apiece, don't drop it. I hear solid carbide drills are very brittle and will shatter when dropped. Ouch. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one for A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as sharp when new as the new high speed steel. Clyde 601XL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sherman" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman > > Tom H. > > I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could > find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and > $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:36 PM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill You're right, but they last nearly forever if you're careful with them. A Drill Doctor is a good idea if you're spening more than $100 on your drill bits. Honestly, I don't see the need to use such expensinve bits on an XL. The standard High Speed, Two Flute Jobbers work just fine. The holes can be slightly out of round, but the rivet system takes that into account. Drill carefully and slowly, and your holes will come out round and clean without any pilot holes at all. If someone just happens to be one of the people that can't seem to drill a round hole, stick with the pilot hole method. It works fine, just takes more effort! kevinbonds wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Yeah, and at $15 bucks apiece, don't drop it. I hear solid carbide drills are very brittle and will shatter when dropped. Ouch. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one for A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as sharp when new as the new high speed steel. Clyde 601XL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sherman" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman > > Tom H. > > I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could > find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and > $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:49 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes ?????????????????? DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Kirby" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:15 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes (resend) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" Graham, Right you are, I thought it was in Germany. It is the same one. I just looked at the picture I have and the ID Numbers are the same. I really like that paint job and would like to duplicate it on my XL. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Kirby" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:12 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes (resend) > > Here's a better picture of that nicely painted XL. Apparently it's from > CZAW, owned by A.J. Hekkelman . and based in the Netherlands. Dig a > little > on the airports web-site (below) and you'll probably find a way to contact > the owner. > > http://www.texelairport.nl/index.html?fotogroot2006/ph3y5.htm&2 > > Graham Kirby > 601HD > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:35 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: Installing the middle top skin on the 601XL To David Glass and others interested: I have two strong recommendations, based on my experience with the 601HD fuselage. First, trim the middle top skin to end at the rearmost tubular frame. Skin the area between the tubular frames with a pair of skinny triangles spliced at the top. This eliminates any problem of the two tubular frames having slightly different contours. Also, it is much easier to form the base of the skinny triangular piece around the curve of the longeron. Perhaps even more important, if you aren't satisfied with your first try at it you don't have to replace the entire skin, just that small piece. I had very poor luck trying to curl the skin edge around the forward tube. I ended up cutting a wide notch between each rivet location and curling the resulting tongues of skin around the tube. This provided a satisfactory appearance, but were I to do it again I wouldn't worry about curling the skin at all. Rather I would let the skin edge project forward and protect it with a U-shaped rubber molding. Aircraft Spruce's catalog P/N 05-01400 would be my choice. I believe I have seen this on a factory demo airplane. Perhaps someone else can confirm this. I have a clear photo of the middle skin clecoed in place, showing these mods. I would be happy to send a copy, if you are interested. George ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:07 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: RE : Zenith-List: My Abbotsford Air Show - link to sailplane video --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Joe, thanks for the report! I folowed your link, and found this amazing sailplane video (Manfred Radius). Must have been awsome to see the real thing! http://www.radiusairshows.com/mpeg.mpg Carlos CH601-HD, plans polishing wing skins Montreal, Canada p4.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Mon Aug 14 19:23:37 GMT 2006 __________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:12 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" Hay Kevin, You said on your web site, you are not crazy........Of course you'r crazy just like the rest of us who like to build airplanes and do what the birds do better than they do it. We fly higher than any bird in the world, We fly faster than any bird in the world, and with a proper paint job we look better than any bird in the world when we are doing it. The only drawback is, they do it for free, we have to pay through the nose. LOL Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinbonds" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" > > Yeah, and at $15 bucks apiece, don't drop it. I hear solid carbide drills > are very brittle and will shatter when dropped. Ouch. > > Kevin Bonds > > Nashville TN > > 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. > > Empennage done; working on wings and engine. > > http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds > > > do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:41 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" > > I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one > for > A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as > sharp when new as the new high speed steel. > > Clyde > 601XL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sherman" > To: "Zenith List" > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman >> >> Tom H. >> >> I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could >> find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and >> $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:08 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Schemes (resend) --> Zenith-List message posted by: >. Dig a little > on the airports web-site (below) and you'll probably find a way to contact > the owner. > > http://www.texelairport.nl/index.html?fotogroot2006/ph3y5.htm&2 According to the Dutch Aircraft Register the details are: A.J. Hekkelman, Wredewoldlaan 2 9727 DG Groningen Phone from the US +31503600545 I could also give him a call if you have specific questions as I live in the Netherlands too. Andrew ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:27 PM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 wing tie-down points --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger Bill . . . in the lower left corner sheet 7V8 of my 701 plans, there's a detail of a tiedown bracket. I discussed this with Roger at ZAC, and he said they are seldom installed. Most simply tie a line around the strut. Robert Schoenberger 701 billmileski wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" > > Hello, > > Is there an accepted way to attach ropes to the wings for tying down a 701? Like adding something at the main spar wing attach points that allows a rope to be conveniently looped through? There's nothing obvious in the archives about this. > > Help appreciated, > > Bill Mileski > Ledyard, CT > 701 912S 35 hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54740#54740 > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! From: "TxDave" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" Bill, Your story reminded me of my first airplane ride when I was about 9 or 10 years old. I used to ride my bicycle to a little airport In my hometown of ElDorado, Arkansas to watch takeoffs and landings. One day the local Civil Air Patrol unit was there working on their Aeronca Champ. The squadron leader offered me a flight and I jumped at the opportunity (back in the early sixties, so no consent form or waiver or other legal junk was required). Well, that was it, I was hooked! Now here I am years later building my own airplane. Your generosity and enthusiasm probably changed this guy's life for the better. Amazing how a shared flight can have such an impact on someones life. Way to go! Dave Clay Temple, TX 601 Scratch Builder http://www.daves601xl.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54769#54769 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:13 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 wing tie-down points Bill, Here is what I did. The added piece is from 1/16" 4130 sheet. I put the "quick link" through the hole in the 4130 and tie the rope to it. I carry the quick links with me. Chuck D. N701TX > Hello, > > Is there an accepted way to attach ropes to the wings for tying down a 701? Like adding something at the main spar wing attach points that allows a rope to be conveniently looped through? There's nothing obvious in the archives about this. > > Help appreciated, > > Bill Mileski > Ledyard, CT > 701 912S 35 hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54740#54740 > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:15 PM PST US From: Tom and Bren Henderson Subject: Re: RE : Zenith-List: My Abbotsford Air Show - link to sailplane video Thanks Carlos, that almost made me choke up a bit. Now there's sombody really enjoying what aviation makes possible. Beautiful video. Carlos Sa wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Joe, thanks for the report! I folowed your link, and found this amazing sailplane video (Manfred Radius). Must have been awsome to see the real thing! http://www.radiusairshows.com/mpeg.mpg Carlos CH601-HD, plans polishing wing skins Montreal, Canada p4.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Mon Aug 14 19:23:37 GMT 2006 __________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:17 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" We have a Chapter member; Bob Floodeen, who has mentored youngsters and hosted as many more exchange students, several of which he helped learn to fly. Among his successes are: A Gulfstream 5 Captain flying for Time-Warner A Mesa Airlines instructor pilot Just this past year, A German exchange student, who Bob Brought back from Germany, helped him get his Private ticket here, who is currently in Lufthansa's Pilot training program. Bob does more than talk about helping others. He rightly tells us you never know what influence you might have on someone. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:10 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! From: "Gig Giacona" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" A Mesa Airlines instructor pilot: I don't know if I'd count this as a success. Do Not Archive -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54788#54788 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:48 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Yeah, but I would like to see you land your metal airplane on a tree branch ! Paul do not archive >We fly higher than any bird in the world, We fly faster than any >bird in the world, and with a proper paint job we look better than >any bird in the world when we are doing it. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:27 PM PST US From: "DICK WILBERS" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill --> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS" Clyde: You are right. Tungsten carbide drills, or tools for that matter, are not as sharp as high speed steel because of the metallurgical structure of the two totally dissimilar materials. However, the carbide drills are harder and have a higher "red hardness" and higher wear resistance. The pecking order of drill hardness vs. sharpness is as follows: carbon steel; molybdenum HSS; cobalt HSS; tungsten HSS; tungsten carbide and ceramic. The carbon steel has a sharper edge when new, but wears out rapidly in production application and so on up the line. Ceramic will last a lifetime if you can get it to cut and not break. Go with a Cobalt HSS split point with Titanium Nitride coating for the very best "middle ground". 3 flute drills require a "core" hole larger than the core diameter of the drill, because 3 flute drills, by the nature of their geometry, cannot have a chisel edge. For practical purposes when drilling aluminum, a NAS907 type B aircraft drill will work fine and are cheap enough to throw away when dull. Bet Regards.................Dick -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" I used carbide drills (Two flute) in the beginning, one for A-4 and one for A-5s, they lasted a long time. However, it did not seem like they were as sharp when new as the new high speed steel. Clyde 601XL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sherman" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman > > Tom H. > > I looked on McMaster Carr's web site and all I could > find in a three flute drill is solid carbide and > $15.53 per drill. I don't think a solid carbide drill > would be appropriate for a hand drill. > > I think the possibility of cutting our drilling time > in half by not drilling a pilot hole would be of > interest to everyone, if the quality of the hole is > the same as with pilot drilling. > > If you could provide me with a part number or link to > the part, that would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance > > Mark S. > 701/912S > Always looking for a better way > > do not archive > > __________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:05 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill A HELOCOPTER COULD DO IT IF THE BRANCH WAS LARGE ENOUGH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > Yeah, but I would like to see you land your metal airplane on a tree branch ! > > Paul > do not archive > > >>We fly higher than any bird in the world, We fly faster than any >>bird in the world, and with a proper paint job we look better than >>any bird in the world when we are doing it. > > > ========================= ========== > ========================= ========== > ========================= ========== > ========================= ========== > ========================= ========== > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! From: "Ron Lendon" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" Bill, It was a demo flight much like you gave that made me make the decision, I ordered the 601XL plans the same day. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54803#54803 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:25 PM PST US From: "L. Kilburg" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill Ahh, but helicopters don't really fly, they are just so damn ugly that the Earth rejects them. Larry K, Iowa, XL wanna builder. do not archive _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill A HELOCOPTER COULD DO IT IF THE BRANCH WAS LARGE ENOUGH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > Yeah, but I would like to see you land your metal airplane on a tree branch ! > > Paul > do not archive > > >>We fly higher than any bird in the world, We fly faster than any >>bird in the world, and with a proper paint job we look better than >>any bird in the world when we are doing it. > > -- ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:23 PM PST US From: Gpjann@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel tank for sale I have a Zodiac 601 16 gal. header tank for sale. It is home made to the 601 plans, adding internal baffles, using proseal. Tank has been leak tested and also includes fittings. Weighs 5' 4 oz. Price $125.00 plus postage. Greg 770-277-1637 gpjann@aol.com ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:55 PM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill They beat the air into submission! Randy XL Wings - Plans Only http://www.n344rb.com Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: L. Kilburg To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill Ahh, but helicopters don't really fly, they are just so damn ugly that the Earth rejects them. Larry K, Iowa, XL wanna builder. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:51 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill A HELOCOPTER COULD DO IT IF THE BRANCH WAS LARGE ENOUGH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > Yeah, but I would like to see you land your metal airplane on a tree branch ! > > Paul > do not archive > > >>We fly higher than any bird in the world, We fly faster than any >>bird in the world, and with a proper paint job we look better than >>any bird in the world when we are doing it. > > -- 8/14/2006 ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:33 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! Way to go Bill! That's pretty much what it is all about: introducing others to why we do this and getting a great result. It is an uplifting story that we could use more of. Jeff Davidson do not archive _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Airplane: Great Flying Day ! Dear Thread Friends, I received a call from a fellow builder named Jim on Friday. Said he had seen the write up on my XL in Sport Pilot, that he lived about 60 miles away and could he come look at my plane Saturday morning ? Sure. I met him at the FSO ( I was 30 minutes late, as always). I met him, drank a cup of coffee, listened and talked a while. Sorta wanted to get to know this stranger before taking him over to the hanger. When we went to look at the plane Jim really started looking at her and eyeballing her hard. Jim seemed very much less than excited about the prospect of the long building road ahead as he was only working on the first wing. I got the distinct feeling that here was a fellow that might not really want to build an airplane. Jim continued to look at things and as I fielded questions I was moving around pre flighting the plane. I started rolling her out and Jim looked a bit surprised. We hopped right in and she started and performed well (showing off I think for a new passenger) After climbing up to 3000 I just turned it over to Jim and he was smiling. He kept looking around as he made turns and with a couple minutes of bumping around easliy grasped the sensitivity and responsiveness of the dual stick. We flew around the local area for a while and I brought her in nice and soft (even used the flaps) I had Jim taxi over to the hanger and we talked a bit before de planing. From what I gathered Jim had basically inherited the XL project from his Father that had passed away about a year ago and the dream was really his Father's. The reason I'm writing this is that after the flight Jim was a different person. He seemed genuinely eager to get to building. In fact, about an hour after he left he called and wanted to return and take some photos and he did. I don't know for sure, but the attitude difference between the "before flight Jim" was significant from the "after flight Jim." I felt really good that maybe my plane, the flight and my optimism and enthusiasm had made a positive impact on a builder that may have been wavering. Yes, I felt so good I tinkered on the plane until after 10 pm. Now I know this is a long boring story and not nearly as interesting as aileron hinges, paint and scotchbite, but you never know how we as builders, flyers and men can provide the little spark that may be felt by others for years to come. Jim, if your out there, your welcome at my hanger anytime. Best Regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:26 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 wing tie-down points Bill, Not sure what drawings you are using but I installed the Tie down rings per the bottom left hand corner of 7-V-8. It works well. Drawings are dated 11/2004 Bob Spudis N701ZX CH-701/912ULS 75 hrs --> Zenith-List message posted by: "billmileski" Hello, Is there an accepted way to attach ropes to the wings for tying down a 701? Like adding something at the main spar wing attach points that allows a rope to be conveniently looped through? There's nothing obvious in the archives about this. Help appreciated, Bill Mileski Ledyard, CT 701 912S 35 hrs ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:16 PM PST US From: "Lynn Dingfelder" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Filler Cap Robin, I used a straight 1/2 inch dia. router bit in a handheld high speed grinder. It doesn't look like a lathe cut, but it cut clean and did minimal damage to the internal threads. Lynn Corry, PA 601XL / Corvair empennage and wings done (and engine) ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:11 PM PST US From: J2j3h4@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Engine for sale - suitable for CH-801 (This would be the smallest engine recommended for the CH-801) Since I have been informed that I cannot pass my medical, I am forced to abandon my RV 7 project and have an engine for sale. It is a Lycoming 0-320 (no suffix - this is apparently one of the earliest) complete with mags, carb, alternator, & starter (no flywheel/starter ring). It has a hollow crankshaft to allow the use of a constant-speed prop. I have the logs for the engine. In the log book, the designation TC #274 follows the model number. The serial no. is 3876-27. It is the 150 HP version and can run on auto gas. The first log entry was 5/14/56. The engine was removed from a Piper-20-150 on 6/1/93 for replacement by a larger engine and has been in storage ever since. At the time of its removal it had 1995 hours SMOH and 4399 total hours. It is located at Ellington Airport (LUG) near Lewisburg, TN. Based on similar engines I have seen advertised, I am asking $6500 and will provide free shipping at this price, but will consider reasonable offers. Jim Hasper ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:20 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill RIGHT ON, also: They just beat the air into submission. Don't think so ? ?...then why does the air slam them on the ground once the beating stops ? ?. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: L. Kilburg To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Three flute drill Ahh, but helicopters don't really fly, they are just so damn ugly that the Earth rejects them. Larry K, Iowa, XL wanna builder. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:51 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Three flute drill A HELOCOPTER COULD DO IT IF THE BRANCH WAS LARGE ENOUGH ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:50 PM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine for sale - suitable for CH-801 The 801 is a 4-place airplane, therefore it does not fit into the sports category. If one were to build it with just two seats and no way to add the others and it weighed under 1320 gross, you might get it into the sports category. Others will know more about current engines. I have a Continental A-65 in my CH600. Do Not Archive -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:06 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Zenith-List: 1001 things to do with a laser level (OFF TOPIC - DELETE NOW OR FOREVER something, something...) First of all, do not archive. Now that we've settled that, how many things can we do with a laser level? other than level stuff, of course. Number 1 on the list, you can drive the house cat nuts! ... Number 17 - see attached pic. Cool, eh? ... Yes, I had way too much time on my hands today. Carlos CH601-HD, plans polishing wing skins Montreal, Canada did I say do not archive? I think I did... __________________________________________________ En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! 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