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1. 12:10 AM - Re: Re: Getting out of an overturned XL, Strong enough... (Gary Gower)
2. 03:51 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Leakage Test (Martin Pohl)
3. 05:14 AM - Re: GPS Navigation (Robin Bellach)
4. 05:51 AM - battery location (Jean-Paul Roy)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: GPS Navigation (Robin Bellach)
6. 06:11 AM - Test (Bill Naumuk)
7. 06:26 AM - Re: GPS Navigation (Jean-Paul Roy)
8. 06:40 AM - Gear box installation (Bill Naumuk)
9. 07:05 AM - Re: Gear box installation (David Mikesell)
10. 07:59 AM - Re: GPS Navigation (Robert L. Stone)
11. 08:07 AM - Re: GPS Navigation (Todd Osborne)
12. 08:15 AM - Re: Self-etching primer (Dave and Jan Clay)
13. 08:29 AM - Re: GPS Navigation (Edward Moody II)
14. 08:41 AM - Re: GPS Navigation (Edward Moody II)
15. 08:48 AM - Re: Self-etching primer (Edward Moody II)
16. 09:03 AM - Re: GPS Navigation (Robert L. Stone)
17. 10:16 AM - RE : Re: Self-etching primer (Carlos Sa)
18. 10:43 AM - Re: GPS Navigation (Paul Mulwitz)
19. 11:27 AM - Re: RE : Re: Self-etching primer (LarryMcFarland)
20. 11:58 AM - Re: RE : Re: Self-etching primer (Dave Ruddiman)
21. 12:28 PM - Strobe light audio noise (MElrod3732@aol.com)
22. 12:48 PM - Re: GPS Navigation (Edward Moody II)
23. 01:03 PM - Re: GPS Navigation (Edward Moody II)
24. 01:54 PM - Re: Strobe light audio noise (Chuck Deiterich)
25. 03:20 PM - Survivable plane crash... (Grant Corriveau)
26. 03:20 PM - Re: Strobe light audio noise (Paul Mulwitz)
27. 04:23 PM - polish update (neitzel)
28. 04:30 PM - Re: slotless flaplaron & Bungee tool (johndread@wildblue.net)
29. 04:46 PM - Re: Test (johndread@wildblue.net)
30. 06:28 PM - Re: Strobe light audio noise (4rcsimmons@comcast.net (Rich Simmons))
31. 10:16 PM - Strobe noise (Mark Sherman)
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| Subject: | Re: Getting out of an overturned XL, Strong enough... |
I have already made a comment about this some time ago... Hope is in the archives,
If I didnt put the "do not..".
As short as possible:
Planes are designed to fly not to crash or roll over. First because is very important
to fly it down, If you fly it down it will touch down (even in an emergency
out of airport) at a slow speed (one good point of the Zentih Aircrafts)
that it will absobe the energy (G,s over yor body) and IF it rols over it will
do it in "slow motion" so the rudder and/or fuselage will protect you.
In the remote case of a crash in an uncontroled manner, the inertia and speed
will build up so fast (in any airplane, from ultralights up) that even if the
unfortunate pilot is flying a winged Daytona stock car will the huge roll cage,
his/her fragile body will not survive the impact G's...
So in case of emergency landing because an engine off: Keep calm, remember your
classes, keep control of the airplane, fly the airplane down, fly the airplane
down, fly the airplane down ALL THE WAY until it stops.
If you fail your aproach, dont be shy to aply power and try again, instead of
unsuccesfuly trying to stop the over shooted airplane in the last 100 ft of strip
before the front wheel hits the ditch at the end :-) :-) I WILL roll
over!
When ever you dont have a place to go flying, instead of just burning gas, go to
a little airtrip (if your airport is big and lots of traffic) and practice
dead stick landings to the numbers, this fun trainning, will pay in the very
rare case you ever suffer a engine out landing...
One last thing, The ZAC airplanes are the more "landing friendly" airplanes in
his class.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S , building a 601 XL.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
"Craig Payne"
I think that if you look at the photo I linked to the supporting hoops
behind the seats did not collapse. I believe someone on the list actually
inspected that particular plane after it flipped. So maybe they can provide
more information.
www.ch601.org/stories.htm
Van's is featuring the roll bar in the (unreleased) rv-12 but (judging by
the small photographs on the Van's site) I don't see any more roll-over
protection in the pictures of the rv-3, rv-4, rv-6, rv-8 or rv-9 than the
601XL has. In most of these I see a single, large-ish tube between the
fixed, forward portion of the canopy and the rear, movable portion. I would
predict that the two interlocked tubes on the XL would be less likely to
fold forward or backward. Can anyone with more hands-on knowledge of the
various Van's models comment? Any pictures out there of flipped rv's?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Leakage Test |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin Pohl" <mpohl@pohltec.ch>
Thank you for all your ideas. Will try how that works...
Cheers Martin
--------
Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57469#57469
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
Bob,
11-02222 is $399 in the regular catalog. It's the AirMap 500 handheld
with 3" black and white 240x180 LED display. 11-02222 is the AirMap
2000C with 5" 386-color 320x240 TFT display. These definitely ARE NOT
the same unit.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: Zenith List
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:29 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Members,
I seem to remember seeing some traffic on the net about the
qualities of the Lowrance Airmap 2000c. All was complimentary and
written by owners of one of these GPS units. The thing that I find
interesting is the prices quoted were up around $600.00 plus. The thing
that makes this price interesting is the same unit is being sold by
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty for $399.00, Part number 11-02222. This
price is in an add on the back outside page of the July 2006 issue of
EAA Sport Pilot. The exact same GPS is in the Aircraft Spruce regular
catalog, on page 466 bottom left at a price of $999.00, Part number
11-02824. I just thought if any of you guys are in the market for a
GPS, a 600 dollar reduction in price is well worth knowing about. I
have a Garmin 296 GPS unit that I intend to use when my ZodiacXL is
ready to fly. It will be either the primary or backup because I am
going to get one of those Lowrance 2000c GPS units.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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| Subject: | battery location |
Hello. Some days ago, someone was asking if behind the copilot seat was
the only location for the battery. Someone mentionned that because of
W&B the battery may even have to be located in the tail. Accessing the
tail seems/is a real problem. I found the solution on Larry Martin's 701
site.
http://www.skyhawg.com/reardoor.html
Hope this helps
Jean-Paul Roy
701-working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
OOPS! 11-02824 is 2000C. I can't get it right either!
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Bellach
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Bob,
11-02222 is $399 in the regular catalog. It's the AirMap 500 handheld
with 3" black and white 240x180 LED display. 11-02222 is the AirMap
2000C with 5" 386-color 320x240 TFT display. These definitely ARE NOT
the same unit.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: Zenith List
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:29 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Members,
I seem to remember seeing some traffic on the net about the
qualities of the Lowrance Airmap 2000c. All was complimentary and
written by owners of one of these GPS units. The thing that I find
interesting is the prices quoted were up around $600.00 plus. The thing
that makes this price interesting is the same unit is being sold by
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty for $399.00, Part number 11-02222. This
price is in an add on the back outside page of the July 2006 issue of
EAA Sport Pilot. The exact same GPS is in the Aircraft Spruce regular
catalog, on page 466 bottom left at a price of $999.00, Part number
11-02824. I just thought if any of you guys are in the market for a
GPS, a 600 dollar reduction in price is well worth knowing about. I
have a Garmin 296 GPS unit that I intend to use when my ZodiacXL is
ready to fly. It will be either the primary or backup because I am
going to get one of those Lowrance 2000c GPS units.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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I've been having e-mail problems since the spinoff of Windstream from
Alltel. Let's see if this works.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
42.5%HDS
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
Hi Robert. The fact is the number 11-02222 from ACS is a Lowrance AirMap
500 @ $399.00. It is a black and white display GPS.
The number 11-02824 is indeed a
LOWRANCE AIRMAP 2000C @ $999.00. It is a colour display GPS.
Hope this clarify things.
Regards
Jean-Paul Roy
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: Zenith List
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:29 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Members,
I seem to remember seeing some traffic on the net about the
qualities of the Lowrance Airmap 2000c. All was complimentary and
written by owners of one of these GPS units. The thing that I find
interesting is the prices quoted were up around $600.00 plus. The thing
that makes this price interesting is the same unit is being sold by
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty for $399.00, Part number 11-02222. This
price is in an add on the back outside page of the July 2006 issue of
EAA Sport Pilot. The exact same GPS is in the Aircraft Spruce regular
catalog, on page 466 bottom left at a price of $999.00, Part number
11-02824. I just thought if any of you guys are in the market for a
GPS, a 600 dollar reduction in price is well worth knowing about. I
have a Garmin 296 GPS unit that I intend to use when my ZodiacXL is
ready to fly. It will be either the primary or backup because I am
going to get one of those Lowrance 2000c GPS units.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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| Subject: | Gear box installation |
HD+HDS builders-
Aha! Windstream finally found the trouble with my e-mail account
Last week, I managed to get all the bolts into the main gearboxes
and documented the procedure. If anyone wants a step by step method of
getting the little puppies in without getting so frustrated you wind up
beating your wife and kicking the dog, let me know and I'll send it to
you. Lots of pictures- it probably belongs in the archives, but don't
want to ruffle any feathers.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
42.5%HDS
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Gear box installation |
I will definitely take a copy, thanks.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 6:39 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Gear box installation
HD+HDS builders-
Aha! Windstream finally found the trouble with my e-mail account
Last week, I managed to get all the bolts into the main gearboxes
and documented the procedure. If anyone wants a step by step method of
getting the little puppies in without getting so frustrated you wind up
beating your wife and kicking the dog, let me know and I'll send it to
you. Lots of pictures- it probably belongs in the archives, but don't
want to ruffle any feathers.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
42.5%HDS
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
Jean-Paul,
I guess the thing that fooled me is the fact that the picture in
the add shown on the back page of Sport Pilot and the picture of the
2000c in the Acft Spruce catalog look alike.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Jean-Paul Roy
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Hi Robert. The fact is the number 11-02222 from ACS is a Lowrance
AirMap 500 @ $399.00. It is a black and white display GPS.
The number 11-02824 is indeed a
LOWRANCE AIRMAP 2000C @ $999.00. It is a colour display GPS.
Hope this clarify things.
Regards
Jean-Paul Roy
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: Zenith List
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:29 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Members,
I seem to remember seeing some traffic on the net about the
qualities of the Lowrance Airmap 2000c. All was complimentary and
written by owners of one of these GPS units. The thing that I find
interesting is the prices quoted were up around $600.00 plus. The thing
that makes this price interesting is the same unit is being sold by
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty for $399.00, Part number 11-02222. This
price is in an add on the back outside page of the July 2006 issue of
EAA Sport Pilot. The exact same GPS is in the Aircraft Spruce regular
catalog, on page 466 bottom left at a price of $999.00, Part number
11-02824. I just thought if any of you guys are in the market for a
GPS, a 600 dollar reduction in price is well worth knowing about. I
have a Garmin 296 GPS unit that I intend to use when my ZodiacXL is
ready to fly. It will be either the primary or backup because I am
going to get one of those Lowrance 2000c GPS units.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
I have not used the 2000, but I own the Lowrance 1000 and can say that I
love it. The only complaint I have is the MapCreate software that comes
with it is not good, but you don't need that for aviation use anyway.
The GPS is terrific, VERY easy to use and read, I have nothing but good
things to say about it.
Todd
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| Subject: | Re: Self-etching primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
Well, here's my 2 cents worth. I started out using zinc chromate, but
switched to the NAPA self-etching primer. Number one reason...better
adhesion (with same prep). I prep with Scotch-Brite followed by cleaning
with acetone. The zinc chromate is easy to scratch off. The self etching
primer is virtually bullet proof. It really sticks. The NAPA primer is cheap
and readily available. I'm sure there are better (i.e. more expensive)
alternatives, but any primer should be better than no primer.
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
Ch601XL Scratch builder
www.daves601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
Here's the straight info Bob, and anyone else interested. The A.S. part
number 11-0222 listed for $399.00 is accurate. Unfortunately it is
accurate for the Lowrance Airmap 500..... a black and white unit with a
3" diagonal screen and far fewer features.
The Airmap 2000C has a color display, 5" diagonal screen, a crapload
more features including terrain and obstruction awareness, and the
Aircraft Spruce price is $999.00 . The best price I have seen for this
item (the 2000C) is at Marv Golden. It was about $690 a week ago but
when I checked on it for another builder 2 days ago it had gone up to
$725.00 . The black and white Airmap 1000 sells for $495.00 , it is the
same size as the 2000C but it cannot be upgraded to provide terrain
data... it will show tower obstructions however.
They are very nice gps units, much less expensive than Garmin 396 and
496 units which have more features but a 3.8" diagonal display.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: Zenith List
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:29 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Members,
I seem to remember seeing some traffic on the net about the
qualities of the Lowrance Airmap 2000c. All was complimentary and
written by owners of one of these GPS units. The thing that I find
interesting is the prices quoted were up around $600.00 plus. The thing
that makes this price interesting is the same unit is being sold by
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty for $399.00, Part number 11-02222. This
price is in an add on the back outside page of the July 2006 issue of
EAA Sport Pilot. The exact same GPS is in the Aircraft Spruce regular
catalog, on page 466 bottom left at a price of $999.00, Part number
11-02824. I just thought if any of you guys are in the market for a
GPS, a 600 dollar reduction in price is well worth knowing about. I
have a Garmin 296 GPS unit that I intend to use when my ZodiacXL is
ready to fly. It will be either the primary or backup because I am
going to get one of those Lowrance 2000c GPS units.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
The Map Create software that comes with the 2000C is slow and cumbersome to
load onto a card but if you limit the size of the map file it works okay and
allows very useful operation on land / water. You will be allowed to
register only five cards to the program so I advise buying big ones..... I
bought three 1 gig SD cards so far and have been happy with them.
Ed Moody II
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
>
> I have not used the 2000, but I own the Lowrance 1000 and can say that I
> love it. The only complaint I have is the MapCreate software that comes
> with it is not good, but you don't need that for aviation use anyway.
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| Subject: | Re: Self-etching primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Regarding use of primer alone, remember that the primer has little or no UV
resistance by itself. It will only hold up long term on the inside or an
overlap area. I do agree that whether or not it really makes a big
difference in aircraft durability and corrosion resistance, it can't hurt,
and it is likely to be a positive factor in a resale situation.
For what it's worth, my prep has been wipe clean twice with denatured
alcohol, then once more with laquer thinner, no scuffing at all (scratches
in the surface are pointless and will not produce much real benefit... the
etching produces way more adhesive surface) then spray according
manufacturer's directions with ventilation and a charcoal filter mask.
Ed Moody II
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay"
> <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
>
> Well, here's my 2 cents worth. I started out using zinc chromate, but
> switched to the NAPA self-etching primer. Number one reason...better
> adhesion (with same prep). I prep with Scotch-Brite followed by cleaning
> with acetone. The zinc chromate is easy to scratch off. The self etching
> primer is virtually bullet proof. It really sticks. The NAPA primer is
> cheap and readily available. I'm sure there are better (i.e. more
> expensive) alternatives, but any primer should be better than no primer.
>
> Dave Clay
> Temple, TX
> Ch601XL Scratch builder
> www.daves601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
Ed,
If you look at the ad in July 2006 issue of Sport Pilot on the back
cover it does not say 500, or 1000, it does say Lowrence 2000c. I also
says in the same that it's a 256 color display. I just called Aircraft
Spruce and talked to someone in Avionics who told me that the add was
printed than way in error.
I am not a lawyer so I may not be correctly informed but I have
heard that if a vendor advertises a product at a certain price, he is
bound by law to sell the product for that price. If there are any
lawyers on the net, I sure would like to know if this information is
correct.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Here's the straight info Bob, and anyone else interested. The A.S.
part number 11-0222 listed for $399.00 is accurate. Unfortunately it is
accurate for the Lowrance Airmap 500..... a black and white unit with a
3" diagonal screen and far fewer features.
The Airmap 2000C has a color display, 5" diagonal screen, a crapload
more features including terrain and obstruction awareness, and the
Aircraft Spruce price is $999.00 . The best price I have seen for this
item (the 2000C) is at Marv Golden. It was about $690 a week ago but
when I checked on it for another builder 2 days ago it had gone up to
$725.00 . The black and white Airmap 1000 sells for $495.00 , it is the
same size as the 2000C but it cannot be upgraded to provide terrain
data... it will show tower obstructions however.
They are very nice gps units, much less expensive than Garmin 396 and
496 units which have more features but a 3.8" diagonal display.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: Zenith List
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:29 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Members,
I seem to remember seeing some traffic on the net about the
qualities of the Lowrance Airmap 2000c. All was complimentary and
written by owners of one of these GPS units. The thing that I find
interesting is the prices quoted were up around $600.00 plus. The thing
that makes this price interesting is the same unit is being sold by
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty for $399.00, Part number 11-02222. This
price is in an add on the back outside page of the July 2006 issue of
EAA Sport Pilot. The exact same GPS is in the Aircraft Spruce regular
catalog, on page 466 bottom left at a price of $999.00, Part number
11-02824. I just thought if any of you guys are in the market for a
GPS, a 600 dollar reduction in price is well worth knowing about. I
have a Garmin 296 GPS unit that I intend to use when my ZodiacXL is
ready to fly. It will be either the primary or backup because I am
going to get one of those Lowrance 2000c GPS units.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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| Subject: | Re: Self-etching primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Here's another point of view:
Assuming equal numbers of primed and non-primed planes, which one is more likely:
(1) a builder
regrets having primed his plane or (2) a builder regrets **not** having primed
it?...
Now back to your regulard broadcast...
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
2.317% already polished
Montral, Canada
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
>
> Any opinions pro or con about using aerosol self-etching primer for
> corrosion protection on internal surfaces that are to be riveted together?
> I checked the archives but what I found was inconclusive on this point.
>
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
Hi Bob,
I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you can hold them to the ad when it
is printed in error. That sort of stuff is reserved for slick
operators who intentionally advertise falsely in the hope of a "Bait
and Switch" scam.
The guys at AS&S are really nice and do a good job of keeping prices
down for the stuff we all need to build our planes.
You might do well to buy the Airmap 500 which is really for sale at
the $399 price. I have one and love it. It has a small black &
white screen, but it still gives great navigation capability. I
bought it with the idea of learning how to use the GPS system before
finishing my plane - as part of updating my skills after 15 years on
the ground. Still, I think it would be a fine instrument to use for
VFR navigation.
Best regards,
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 09:00 AM 8/26/2006, you wrote:
>Ed,
> If you look at the ad in July 2006 issue of Sport Pilot on the
> back cover it does not say 500, or 1000, it does say Lowrence
> 2000c. I also says in the same that it's a 256 color display. I
> just called Aircraft Spruce and talked to someone in Avionics who
> told me that the add was printed than way in error.
> I am not a lawyer so I may not be correctly informed but I
> have heard that if a vendor advertises a product at a certain
> price, he is bound by law to sell the product for that price. If
> there are any lawyers on the net, I sure would like to know if
> this information is correct.
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Self-etching primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Tim,
It is said that 6061 aluminum might be all right without primer between
riveted surfaces. The advantage of coating
them with a primer is that the chemistry of where you live, coastal or
industrial areas is less a concern. Both these areas
are a good reason for priming close contact surfaces. These will stay
moist for long periods of time and it's not worth the
risk and loss of value for not having done a minimal priming effort.
I'd advise priming these areas and any non accessible
blind areas if possible. I used a case of zinc chromate from a rattle
can. Just some of the exposed areas that will
be finish painted (small spots trim tab etc,) require its removal. It
doesn't come off that easily, MEK and scotchbrite pads
work after a while. Just keep the air moving away from you so you don't
breath the stuff. A thin coloration that can be
nearly seen through is as good as a heavy coat for corrosion protection.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
>>
>>Any opinions pro or con about using aerosol self-etching primer for
>>corrosion protection on internal surfaces that are to be riveted together?
>>I checked the archives but what I found was inconclusive on this point.
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Self-etching primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
In case you don't know, SEM self etching primer will lift Zinc Chromate.
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: RE : Re: Zenith-List: Self-etching primer
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
>
> Tim,
> It is said that 6061 aluminum might be all right without primer between
> riveted surfaces. The advantage of coating
> them with a primer is that the chemistry of where you live, coastal or
> industrial areas is less a concern. Both these areas
> are a good reason for priming close contact surfaces. These will stay
> moist for long periods of time and it's not worth the
> risk and loss of value for not having done a minimal priming effort. I'd
> advise priming these areas and any non accessible
> blind areas if possible. I used a case of zinc chromate from a rattle
> can. Just some of the exposed areas that will
> be finish painted (small spots trim tab etc,) require its removal. It
> doesn't come off that easily, MEK and scotchbrite pads
> work after a while. Just keep the air moving away from you so you don't
> breath the stuff. A thin coloration that can be
> nearly seen through is as good as a heavy coat for corrosion protection.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>>
>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
>>>
>>>Any opinions pro or con about using aerosol self-etching primer for
>>>corrosion protection on internal surfaces that are to be riveted
>>>together? I checked the archives but what I found was inconclusive on
>>>this point.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Strobe light audio noise |
Hello fellow builders: I mounted the Aero Flash strobe units to the inside
of the seat backs in my 701 running shielded cable to each strobe light. With
the strobe lights on, I can still faintly hear the strobe unit through my
headset.
I was wondering if anyone else had a similar problem and if it could be
corrected with filters to the power leads. If so, what type of filters should
I
buy and where do I get them?
Thanks in advance, Mike Elrod
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
I don't have the ad available to confirm but I'm sure you are correct
about its details. As for bluffing them into selling you a Lowrance
2000C for $399.00 I'd bet against it. In most poker games it takes a
pair (or better) to open.... this one will take a big pair... of brass
ones.
Even if the law is on your side, I'm guessing their lawyer can beat up
your lawyer without breaking a sweat. Damned shame though.... that would
have been a sweet deal. I've generally found that if something looks too
good to be true, it actually IS too good to be true.
Best of luck,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Ed,
If you look at the ad in July 2006 issue of Sport Pilot on the
back cover it does not say 500, or 1000, it does say Lowrence 2000c. I
also says in the same that it's a 256 color display. I just called
Aircraft Spruce and talked to someone in Avionics who told me that the
add was printed than way in error.
I am not a lawyer so I may not be correctly informed but I have
heard that if a vendor advertises a product at a certain price, he is
bound by law to sell the product for that price. If there are any
lawyers on the net, I sure would like to know if this information is
correct.
Bob Stone
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Navigation |
Consider how much easier it is for old eyes to focus on a screen that's
a bit larger and the B&W Airmap 1000 may be a good deal too. No terrain
info though.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS Navigation
Hi Bob,
I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you can hold them to the ad when it
is printed in error. That sort of stuff is reserved for slick operators
who intentionally advertise falsely in the hope of a "Bait and Switch"
scam.
The guys at AS&S are really nice and do a good job of keeping prices
down for the stuff we all need to build our planes.
You might do well to buy the Airmap 500 which is really for sale at
the $399 price. I have one and love it. It has a small black & white
screen, but it still gives great navigation capability. I bought it
with the idea of learning how to use the GPS system before finishing my
plane - as part of updating my skills after 15 years on the ground.
Still, I think it would be a fine instrument to use for VFR navigation.
Best regards,
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe light audio noise |
I mounted my strobe power supplies on the spar extension at the wing
tip. Saves wire weight and I have no strobe noise. On each wing I ran
one ground wire, one 12 volt wire for strobe, and one 12 volt wire for
nav lite. I cleared mounting power supplies on the spar extension with
ZAC.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: MElrod3732@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 2:27 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe light audio noise
Hello fellow builders: I mounted the Aero Flash strobe units to the
inside of the seat backs in my 701 running shielded cable to each strobe
light. With the strobe lights on, I can still faintly hear the strobe
unit through my headset.
I was wondering if anyone else had a similar problem and if it could
be corrected with filters to the power leads. If so, what type of
filters should I buy and where do I get them?
Thanks in advance, Mike Elrod
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| Subject: | Survivable plane crash... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grant.corriveau@telus.net>
In line with "getting out of an overturned 601" ... this is an
incredible video of one emergency landing. The plane stopped very
fast, but it looked survivable...
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe light audio noise |
Hi Mike,
I wouldn't mess around with filters on either the strobe lines or the
power to the strobe power supplies. Rather, I would fool around with
ground connections between the power supplies and the ground
connection to the radio which exhibits the noise. The ground for
each of these devices should be a separate cable to the battery or
single ground point near the engine.
The theory I am using is that the noise comes from impulses in the
ground circuit from the power supplies getting to the ground pin on the radio.
Other things to play with include checking that the ground on the
shield of the wire to the strobe lights is connected only at the
power supplies. I presume there are two conductors inside the shield
- a "Light" and "Ground" for each strobe light. If you use the
shield for power return from the strobe light, then there isn't a
shield after all.
One more thing to check is the ground connection from your headset to
the radio. It should be a direct wire connection to the radio or
audio panel. This is definitely not the place to use the aircraft
skin as a ground.
If all else fails, you might consider adding an assortment of
capacitors between the power and ground of the radio and/or audio
panel to filter the noise from the strobe from getting into the radio
or audio amplifier power supply. The capacitors should include some
very small ones (perhaps 100 pF) and some very large ones (perhaps
1,000 mF). The large ones need to be installed with the correct
polarity. This shouldn't be necessary since the power supply for the
radio should already have these built in.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
>Hello fellow builders: I mounted the Aero Flash strobe units to the
>inside of the seat backs in my 701 running shielded cable to each
>strobe light. With the strobe lights on, I can still faintly hear
>the strobe unit through my headset.
>I was wondering if anyone else had a similar problem and if it could
>be corrected with filters to the power leads. If so, what type of
>filters should I buy and where do I get them?
>
>Thanks in advance, Mike Elrod
>
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Greeting all,
When I saw the picture of the skin that Carlos had polished it inspired
me to get busy. Since it was raining here in Northern Wisconsin this
morning I figured this would be a good day to start. I polished the
left side of the fuselage from the tail to the door in 5 + 30. The last
area that I polished seemed to go pretty fast. Part of the time was
spent getting used to the equipment and applying the correct amount of
polish. It appears that the five pounds of Rolite will be enoght to do
the entire plane. I am very pleased with the results. Makes me glad
that I took the plunge with the polish instead of paint. Probably have
arms like Popeye when I am done but is good exercise too.
A while ago there was a post concerning the UV degradation of brake
lines. The brake lines on my Kolb are nylon (not sure which nylon) and
it was recommended that the exposed lines be covered. I found a 1/4
inch ID plastic covering (not the split stuff) at a car parts store. I
think it was intended to cover wiring looms. It was inexpensive and
after 2 + years and 120 hours of flight time the lines are fine.
Take care
Dick Neitzel
Sayner, WI
701 Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Re: slotless flaplaron & Bungee tool |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: johndread@wildblue.net
The bungee tool is on the Zenith website.
John Read`- now building my 701
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I don't know where the bungee
> tool is. It might be in the builder made tools, but I can't remember how
> to
> get there.
>
> Dave in Salem
> 801 working on the wings.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dj45" <dj45@modempool.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 5:27 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: slotless flaplaron & Bungee tool
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "dj45" <dj45@modempool.com>
>>
>> Hi all, sometime ago I saw a tool to install the bungee cord, and now I
>> can't find it again. Getting old I guess. Also there was a set up for
>> the
>> flap arm to do away with the slot. Anyone know where these are?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57200#57200
>>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: johndread@wildblue.net
Works now!
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe light audio noise |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
Mike.
I wired my 701 per Aero Electric layout, with a single
point ground. That is supposed to stop all that
noise, but it didn't. At no point did I use the
airframe as a ground. I still had strobe noise in my
radio. I put a noise filter from Radio Shack in line
with the power for the radio and intercom, that
stopped all the noise.
Check out the aeroelectric list archives.
Mark S.
701/912
Painting
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Hello fellow builders: I mounted the Aero Flash strobe
units to the inside of the seat backs in my 701
running shielded cable to each strobe light. With the
strobe lights on, I can still faintly hear the strobe
unit through my headset.
I was wondering if anyone else had a similar problem
and if it could be corrected with filters to the power
leads. If so, what type of filters should I buy and
where do I get them?
Thanks in advance, Mike Elrod
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