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1. 04:01 AM - L sections on centre spar (phil plumley)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? (Tommy Walker)
3. 05:42 AM - Re: L sections on centre spar (Robin Bellach)
4. 08:38 AM - Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? (Bryan Martin)
5. 10:03 AM - Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? (Dino Bortolin)
6. 10:48 AM - Self-Etching primer FYI (Dave and Jan Clay)
7. 10:54 AM - Re: 701 cover (fred sanford)
8. 11:55 AM - Re: L sections on centre spar (phil plumley)
9. 01:01 PM - RE : Re: L sections on centre spar (Carlos Sa)
10. 01:01 PM - Re: L sections on centre spar (Ron Butterfield)
11. 01:01 PM - Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? (Dan)
12. 01:35 PM - Re: L sections on centre spar (Todd Osborne)
13. 01:37 PM - Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? (Bryan Martin)
14. 01:56 PM - Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? (Ron Butterfield)
15. 02:07 PM - Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? (Gig Giacona)
16. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? (Bryan Martin)
17. 03:30 PM - Stratus Subaru (Zodie Rocket)
18. 03:44 PM - RE : Re: L sections on centre spar (Carlos Sa)
19. 03:58 PM - Re: L sections on centre spar (Robin Bellach)
20. 04:01 PM - Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? (Paul Mulwitz)
21. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? (Steve Hulland)
22. 06:51 PM - Re: Stratus Subaru (LarryMcFarland)
23. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: 701 cover (NYTerminat@aol.com)
24. 09:11 PM - Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? (David X)
25. 09:47 PM - Re: Re: Re: 701 cover (fred sanford)
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| Subject: | L sections on centre spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
Good morning all
My aircraft build is progressing really well but I have just come to rivet
the L sections that attach to the centre spar and nose ribs and the rivets
my drawings call up ( A5 ) are too short.
I was under the impression that the ones that I am using are the longest
available. Can anyone throw some light on this one.
Regards Phil Plumley
G-ZENI
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
A 601XL at my airport (25A), sustained just the type of damage you are concerned
about. The owner had no gust locks and wind damaged the right aileron. He
has since fashioned gust locks for the ailerons and elevator.
I can make a picture next time I'm out to the airport if you like.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: L sections on centre spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Are you sure? I see the L angle material as .025" and spar material as .050"
for a total of .075" and the A5 grip length as .312" so they should be
plenty long. One of us apparently is confused or missing something. OOPS,
I'm assuming 601XL, but perhaps you are doing a different model.
Robin, Jasper, AR
N601ZV
----- Original Message -----
From: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 6:00 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: L sections on centre spar
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
>
> Good morning all
>
> My aircraft build is progressing really well but I have just come to rivet
> the L sections that attach to the centre spar and nose ribs and the rivets
> my drawings call up ( A5 ) are too short.
>
> I was under the impression that the ones that I am using are the longest
> available. Can anyone throw some light on this one.
>
> Regards Phil Plumley
>
> G-ZENI
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
If you are building the plane yourself from a kit or plans, your best
option would probably be to register it as an Experimental, Amateur
built. That way you can simply apply for the repairman certificate
and do your own annual condition inspections. If you get it
registered as an E-LSA, you will have to take a course and pass a
test to get the inspection rating in order to do your own annuals.
Either way, as long as the airplane meets the limitations of the LSA
category, it can be flown with a light sport pilot certificate. About
the only advantage of the E-LSA category is that the 51% rule don't
apply, someone else can do the building for you. The new LSA rules do
not have any effect on the existing Experimental Amateur built
category.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "AZFlyer" <millrML@AOL.com>
>
> It was recently pointed out to me that certification and operation
> of an LSA (601 XL) as an Amateur built E-LSA could a non-issue or
> at least, in jeopardy of happening, according to this article on p.68.
>
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? |
I saw a very simple control lock on a 601 at Oshkosh. I can't recall the builder's
name, but he was based at Osh. Unfortunately I didn't take a picture of the
lock. I drew up a sketch (attached) that should give you the idea. The dimensions
are approximate; some amount of 'eyeball engineering' is required. I think
he had one on each outboard end of the elevator, and the flaps were retracted
with another between each flap and aileron.
Dino Bortolin
La Salle, Ontario
601/Corvair
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| Subject: | Self-Etching primer FYI |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave and Jan Clay" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
The self-etching primer I have been buying from my local auto parts store is
actually manufactured by Dupli-Color. Out of curiosity I called and asked
their tech support a few questions. My main concern was related to
topcoating. The tech rep said this is not needed for internal applications.
It would be needed if the primer was applied to external surfaces as it
contains no UV inhibitors. Just thought I'd pass this along.
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
601XL Scratch Builder
http://www.daves601xl.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: fred sanford <sonar1@cox.net>
Hi Les:
We got our 701 cover from Kennon covers in Wyoming. We were their first,
and are happy with the results. Good work, good fabrics. They called,
and asked if we were hapy with it, and what changes we would have made,
so I think they are good people. Picture at:
http://www.sonar100.com/cover.jpg
Fred CH 701 70 hours
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| Subject: | Re: L sections on centre spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
Hi
I neglected to mention that I am building a 601HD
I have L section .025" spar cap and spar cap doubler .125 each and spar
web .040 as per drawing 6V4 all of which amounts to more than an A5 can
handle.
regards phil Plumley G-ZENI
>From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L sections on centre spar
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:41:43 -0500
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>
>Are you sure? I see the L angle material as .025" and spar material as
>.050" for a total of .075" and the A5 grip length as .312" so they should
>be plenty long. One of us apparently is confused or missing something.
>OOPS, I'm assuming 601XL, but perhaps you are doing a different model.
>
> Robin, Jasper, AR
> N601ZV
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 6:00 AM
>Subject: Zenith-List: L sections on centre spar
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
>>
>>Good morning all
>>
>>My aircraft build is progressing really well but I have just come to rivet
>>the L sections that attach to the centre spar and nose ribs and the rivets
>>my drawings call up ( A5 ) are too short.
>>
>>I was under the impression that the ones that I am using are the longest
>>available. Can anyone throw some light on this one.
>>
>>Regards Phil Plumley
>>
>>G-ZENI
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| Subject: | Re: L sections on centre spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Phil, where exactly do these rivest go?
Got a diagram or photo?
Feel fre to email me directly.
Carlos
--- phil plumley <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk> a crit :
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
>
> Hi
>
> I neglected to mention that I am building a 601HD
>
> I have L section .025" spar cap and spar cap doubler .125 each and spar
> web .040 as per drawing 6V4 all of which amounts to more than an A5 can
> handle.
>
> regards phil Plumley G-ZENI
>
>
> >From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L sections on centre spar
> >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:41:43 -0500
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
> >
> >Are you sure? I see the L angle material as .025" and spar material as
> >.050" for a total of .075" and the A5 grip length as .312" so they should
> >be plenty long. One of us apparently is confused or missing something.
> >OOPS, I'm assuming 601XL, but perhaps you are doing a different model.
> >
> > Robin, Jasper, AR
> > N601ZV
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 6:00 AM
> >Subject: Zenith-List: L sections on centre spar
> >
> >
> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
> >>
> >>Good morning all
> >>
> >>My aircraft build is progressing really well but I have just come to rivet
> >>the L sections that attach to the centre spar and nose ribs and the rivets
> >>my drawings call up ( A5 ) are too short.
> >>
> >>I was under the impression that the ones that I am using are the longest
> >>available. Can anyone throw some light on this one.
> >>
> >>Regards Phil Plumley
> >>
> >>G-ZENI
p5.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Thu Aug 31 13:23:36 GMT 2006
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| Subject: | Re: L sections on centre spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield <rbutterfield@mebtel.net>
phil plumley wrote:
>
> I neglected to mention that I am building a 601HD
>
> I have L section .025" spar cap and spar cap doubler .125 each and
> spar web .040 as per drawing 6V4 all of which amounts to more than an
> A5 can handle.
If you look at the detail at bottom center of drawing 6V3, it shows the
spar being riveted together with solid rivets. I'm not sure, but might
this also apply to these nose rib L sections?
--
Regards,
RonB
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan <dwilde@clearwire.net>
Rainbow Aviation has suggested that if I complete my 701 by the end of
2007, it can be registered as an ELSA. I would then have to take the 16
hour course to work on it even though I built it. But as I understand
it, the plane would have a greater value on resale because anyone with a
Sport license and the 16 hour course could work on the plane. This
would not be true of an Experimental plane that met Sport Pilot. The
exemption allowing this is only good until the end of 2007.
>
>
> Dan Wilde
>
>
> _
>
>
> .
>
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| Subject: | Re: L sections on centre spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
I built these about 10 years ago. Going on memory alone, I don't
think those are A5's, aren't they solid rivets in there?
Todd Osborne
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On Aug 31, 2006, at 1:54 PM, phil plumley wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "phil plumley"
> <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
>
> Hi
>
> I neglected to mention that I am building a 601HD
>
> I have L section .025" spar cap and spar cap doubler .125 each
> and spar web .040 as per drawing 6V4 all of which amounts to
> more than an A5 can handle.
>
> regards phil Plumley G-ZENI
>
>
>> From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L sections on centre spar
>> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:41:43 -0500
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach"
>> <601zv@ritternet.com>
>>
>> Are you sure? I see the L angle material as .025" and spar
>> material as .050" for a total of .075" and the A5 grip length as .
>> 312" so they should be plenty long. One of us apparently is
>> confused or missing something. OOPS, I'm assuming 601XL, but
>> perhaps you are doing a different model.
>>
>> Robin, Jasper, AR
>> N601ZV
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "phil plumley"
>> <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 6:00 AM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: L sections on centre spar
>>
>>
>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "phil plumley"
>>> <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Good morning all
>>>
>>> My aircraft build is progressing really well but I have just come
>>> to rivet the L sections that attach to the centre spar and nose
>>> ribs and the rivets my drawings call up ( A5 ) are too short.
>>>
>>> I was under the impression that the ones that I am using are the
>>> longest available. Can anyone throw some light on this one.
>>>
>>> Regards Phil Plumley
>>>
>>> G-ZENI
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Anyone can work on an E-LSA, the only thing you can't do without the
proper certificate sign off the annual condition inspection. This is
the same as for an Experimental Amateur built airplane.
The big difference is that for an Amateur built aircraft, the only
people who can sign off the annual are the original builder who has
the repairman certificate for that airplane or a certified A & P
mechanic, while anyone who has the LSA-I certificate can sign off the
annual on an E-LSA that he owns. An LSA-I can not sign off an annual
on an airplane he does not own, you must have an LSA-M or A & P
certificate for that.
So if you sell an E-LSA, the new owner can take the 16 hour course
and get an LSA-I and then do his own annuals. A new owner of an E-AB
is out of luck in that regard, he can never sign off his own annuals
on that plane unless he has an A & P certificate (he can have the
original builder sign it off though).
On Aug 31, 2006, at 4:01 PM, Dan wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan <dwilde@clearwire.net>
>
> Rainbow Aviation has suggested that if I complete my 701 by the
> end of 2007, it can be registered as an ELSA. I would then have to
> take the 16 hour course to work on it even though I built it. But
> as I understand it, the plane would have a greater value on resale
> because anyone with a Sport license and the 16 hour course could
> work on the plane. This would not be true of an Experimental plane
> that met Sport Pilot. The exemption allowing this is only good
> until the end of 2007.
>>
>>
>> Dan Wilde
>>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield <rbutterfield@mebtel.net>
Dan wrote:
>
> Rainbow Aviation has suggested that if I complete my 701 by the end of
> 2007, it can be registered as an ELSA.
I could be wrong, but based on what little I do know it appears that
they may not know what they are talking about.
From the EAA, on this page:
http://www.sportpilot.org/resources/sourcebook.html
is a pile of authoritative information, in an understandable form.
Executive summary:
LSA= the entire group of aircraft that can be flown by an appropriately
certified Sport Pilot.
S-LSA= ready to fly
E-LSA= kit, between 50-95% completed by the factory
experimental= plans, or kit <51% completed by the factory
standard= normal certified plane that fits category performance and
equipment requirements
What the owner can and cannot do depends on which category the plane
fits. Details below:
<quoted, snipped text from sportpilot.org>
What is a Light-Sport Aircraft?
Any aircraft that meets the definition of a light-sport aircraft as
called out in FAR Part 1.1 is eligible to be operated by a sport pilot.
These aircraft can be certificated in any category, such as standard,
experimental amateur-built, experimental exhibition, experimental
light-sport aircraft (E-LSA), or special light-sport aircraft (S-LSA).
(S-LSA)
A special light-sport aircraft is a factory-built, ready-to-fly aircraft
designed and construction accordance with the ASTM consensus standards
for light-sport aircraft (LSA).
(E-LSA)
Experimental light-sport aircraft may be flown by sport pilots. E-LSA
kits that do not conform to amateur-built certification requirements and
will be certificated in the E-LSA category must be based on an aircraft
that has received a special LSA (S-LSA) airworthiness certificate... Its
annual condition inspection may be conducted by an LSA repairman with an
inspection rating, an LSA repairman with a maintenance rating, an
airframe and powerplant (A&P) mechanic, or a certified repair station.
Experimental
Amateur-built aircraft that meet the definition of an LSA may be flown
by sport pilots. Its annual condition inspection may be performed by the
original primary builder if he/she holds the repairman certificate for
the aircraft, an A&P mechanic, or a certified repair station.
<end quoted text>
Since so many "fat" ultralights are out there (factory built, so can't
be "experimental") they also devised a transition system to make them
legal. This is probably what Rainbow is thinking of, but it is only for
existing aircraft, not something that is now being built by you.
<quote>
Ultralights
This list also includes many ultralights, including weight-shift
controlled aircraft (trikes) and powered parachutes, that are eligible
to transition to experimental light-sport aircraft status. That
transition must be completed no later than January 31, 2008.
<end quote>
All this information, and much more, is available from the above
mentioned web site. This also includes the actual FAA rule, both in it's
original 452 page version as well as the condensed, 19 page version.
--
Regards,
RonB
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Too my knowledge there isn't an E-LSA kit for either the 601 or 701. The quick
build kit might qualify but it not listed as such on the Zenith web site.
One thing to remember is that if you build an E-LSA you can not deviate from the
plans at all.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
There are no E-LSA kits available that meet FAR 21.191(i)(2).
However, an aircraft can be certificated as an E-LSA under FAR 21.191
(i)(1), which was intended to allow "fat" ultralights to be
certificated as E-LSAs. This rule applies to any aircraft that does
not meet the restrictions of part 103 for ultralights but does meet
the limitations of LSA and has never held an airworthiness
certificate before. Many current aircraft kits meet all these
requirements, including the 601 and 701. This option is available
until January 31, 2008.
The three ways to get an E-LSA certificate:
21.191 Experimental certificates.
* * * * *
(i) Operating light-sport aircraft. Operating a light-sport aircraft
that
(1) Has not been issued a U.S. or foreign airworthiness
certificate and does not meet the provisions of 103.1 of this
chapter. An
experimental certificate will not be issued under this paragraph
for these
aircraft after January 31, 2008;
(2) Has been assembled
(i) From an aircraft kit for which the applicant can provide the
information required by 21.193 (e); and
(ii) In accordance with manufacturers assembly instructions
that meet an applicable consensus standard; or
(3) Has been previously issued a special airworthiness
certificate in the light-sport category under 21.190.
On Aug 31, 2006, at 5:06 PM, Gig Giacona wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
> Too my knowledge there isn't an E-LSA kit for either the 601 or
> 701. The quick build kit might qualify but it not listed as such on
> the Zenith web site.
>
> One thing to remember is that if you build an E-LSA you can not
> deviate from the plans at all.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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Hi Group, if anyone has a stratus Sub installed may I ask what you are
using for carb heat and where did you get it or how did you make it?
Also what are you seeing for prop clearance and if possible may I get a
few pictures sent directly to me at HYPERLINK
"mailto:cdngoose@hsfx.ca"cdngoose@hsfx.ca
Thanks
cdngoose
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| Subject: | Re: L sections on centre spar |
Phil, that would be a *solid* rivet. Not very clear, as the drawing says "A5",
but I did use
solid rivets on those "L" angles.
If the attached file makes is to the list, you can see it.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
--- Ron Butterfield <rbutterfield@mebtel.net> a crit :
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield <rbutterfield@mebtel.net>
>
> phil plumley wrote:
> >
> > I neglected to mention that I am building a 601HD
> >
> > I have L section .025" spar cap and spar cap doubler .125 each and
> > spar web .040 as per drawing 6V4 all of which amounts to more than an
> > A5 can handle.
>
> If you look at the detail at bottom center of drawing 6V3, it shows the
> spar being riveted together with solid rivets. I'm not sure, but might
> this also apply to these nose rib L sections?
>
> --
> Regards,
> RonB
p4.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Thu Aug 31 22:23:36 GMT 2006
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| Subject: | Re: L sections on centre spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Seems weird to me. On the XL the L angles that attach the nose ribs are
riveted only to the spar web and butt inside the doubler so the grip length
of A5's is plenty long. Does the HD have them attached to the doubler and
cap instead of to the web? By the way, my XL plans show .040 web, but the
the prebuilt spars received with the ZAC wing kit have .050 web.
----- Original Message -----
From: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L sections on centre spar
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
>
> Hi
>
> I neglected to mention that I am building a 601HD
>
> I have L section .025" spar cap and spar cap doubler .125 each and spar
> web .040 as per drawing 6V4 all of which amounts to more than an A5 can
> handle.
>
> regards phil Plumley G-ZENI
>
>
>>From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L sections on centre spar
>>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:41:43 -0500
>>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>>
>>Are you sure? I see the L angle material as .025" and spar material as
>>.050" for a total of .075" and the A5 grip length as .312" so they should
>>be plenty long. One of us apparently is confused or missing something.
>>OOPS, I'm assuming 601XL, but perhaps you are doing a different model.
>>
>> Robin, Jasper, AR
>> N601ZV
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "phil plumley" <aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 6:00 AM
>>Subject: Zenith-List: L sections on centre spar
>>
>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "phil plumley"
>>><aerophil@hotmail.co.uk>
>>>
>>>Good morning all
>>>
>>>My aircraft build is progressing really well but I have just come to
>>>rivet the L sections that attach to the centre spar and nose ribs and the
>>>rivets my drawings call up ( A5 ) are too short.
>>>
>>>I was under the impression that the ones that I am using are the longest
>>>available. Can anyone throw some light on this one.
>>>
>>>Regards Phil Plumley
>>>
>>>G-ZENI
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Pilot, Aug. 2006, p.68 What is the story? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Dan,
Actually, I believe you have until January 31, 2008. That is the
date when the easy conversion of 2-seat ultralights comes to an
end. The way the reg is written anything that is not a legal
ultralight and meets the LSA limits can be licensed as an E-LSA under
that rule. After January 2008 the more strict rule which requires a
matching S-LSA from the same manufacturer takes effect.
I believe you are correct about the annual inspection requirement
being different for E-LSA vs. E-AB. Only the builder or a licensed
A&P mechanic can perform the annual condition inspection for an E-AB,
but the owner of an E-LSA can do the inspection after a short course
of instruction whether he built it or someone else did. Of course a
licensed A&P can also do the inspection on an E-LSA for those who
have more money than patience and energy.
The other little issue that you need to consider is the Phase I
flight test requirements. An E-AB will have either a 25 or 40 hour
flight test period where travel is restricted to the test area and no
passengers can be carried. In one case here in the Portland, OR
area, a guy who opted for the E-LSA airworthiness was given a 5 hour
flight test restriction. This is all up to the inspector who issues
the airworthiness certificate.
My best advice to you is to finish your plane before January 31, 2008
and talk to your inspector about the choices before arranging for the
final inspection.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
(Shooting for 2007 completion)
At 01:01 PM 8/31/2006, you wrote:
>Rainbow Aviation has suggested that if I complete my 701 by the end
>of 2007, it can be registered as an ELSA. I would then have to take
>the 16 hour course to work on it even though I built it. But as I
>understand it, the plane would have a greater value on resale
>because anyone with a Sport license and the 16 hour course could
>work on the plane. This would not be true of an Experimental plane
>that met Sport Pilot. The exemption allowing this is only good
>until the end of 2007.
-
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Hulland" <marinegunner@gmail.com>
I was looking at my CH 600 ailerons and elevator while working on the
airplane today. For a few weeks I have been trying to determine the
best way to "tie-down" both. Whatever I do should be both easy to use
and pretty secure. Since my airplane only has a center stick, my
solution will probably be this:
Fashion a plate that will firmly attach to both the right and left
cockpit walls. Fasten somewhere near the Floor Stiffener; Gusset; &
side skin areas. Have a reinforced hole that will easily hold a good
bungee. Then hook one end to the new sidewall fastner and the other to
a sturdy bracket attached to the control stick. There would be two,
one pulling forward and to right, the other forward and to the left.
With equal bungees, there should be a steady action to effectively
hold the stick forward and centered. Anyone done something like this
and have a picture? After all of that I will most likely fashion gust
locks for ailerons. Not sure about rudder yet - might be real hard to
make effective gust lock for the rudder.
Currently I have the stick held forward by attaching around stick and
to outer vertical part of each outer rudder pedal. Not sure about the
strength and effectiveness here, so shall attempt to rectrify this
weekend. Good ideas will help.
On 8/31/06, Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
>
> A 601XL at my airport (25A), sustained just the type of damage you are
> concerned about. The owner had no gust locks and wind damaged the right
> aileron. He has since fashioned gust locks for the ailerons and elevator.
>
> I can make a picture next time I'm out to the airport if you like.
>
> Tommy Walker in Alabama
> Do Not Archive
>
> --------
> Tommy Walker
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58711#58711
>
>
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Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus Subaru |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hi,
I'm flying a Stratus and have no carb heat. The Bing carburetors are
altitude compensating type and don't have a venturi that
would accumulate ice.
For my tri-gear, the 730 lbs empty put prop clearance at more than 7-inches.
If you need a picture, my website is full of images from which to glean
this info.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Zodie Rocket wrote:
> Hi Group, if anyone has a stratus Sub installed may I ask what you are
> using for carb heat and where did you get it or how did you make it?
> Also what are you seeing for prop clearance and if possible may I get
> a few pictures sent directly to me at cdngoose@hsfx.ca
> <mailto:cdngoose@hsfx.ca>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> cdngoose
>
>
>
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Fred,
How much did they charge for the cover?
Bob Spudis
N701ZX CH-701/912S
In a message dated 8/31/2006 4:27:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sonar1@cox.net writes:
We got our 701 cover from Kennon covers in Wyoming. We were their first,
and are happy with the results. Good work, good fabrics. They called,
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David X" <dxj@comcast.net>
Honestly, I think simpler is better. Two bungee cords tied from stick to two rudder
pedals. If a center stick, one cord to each set of rudder pedals.
One other poster said he was doing it that way for 11 years with no issues. I've
been doing it for the last year. On a recent cross-country, it was tied down
in 55 knot gusts (Kansas thunderstorm) with no issues whatsoever. The winds were
strong enough to push the rudder a few inches to one side, but the nose bungee
kept that in check. The elevator and ailerons were near solid.
I like the bungee because it allows for some spring and play under heavy gusts
without giving so much as to cause an issue.
For what its worth.
[quote="marinegunner(at)gmail.com"]There would be two,
one pulling forward and to right, the other forward and to the left.
With equal bungees, there should be a steady action to effectively
hold the stick forward and centered. [quote]
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Re: 701 cover |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: fred sanford <sonar1@cox.net>
Bob:
The prices are on their website (just google "Kennon covers"). Think it
was around $450....
Fred Ch701 70 hours
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