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1. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: 701 cover (Jean-Paul Roy)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: Stratus Subaru (Kelly Meiste)
3. 10:30 AM - Homebuilt B-52 (Bill Howerton)
4. 10:35 AM - 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation ()
5. 10:49 AM - Re: Homebuilt B-52 (LHusky@aol.com)
6. 11:08 AM - Re: Homebuilt B-52 (Bryan Martin)
7. 12:46 PM - Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images (Jeffrey A Beachy)
8. 01:31 PM - POH (James MacDonald)
9. 02:26 PM - Scotchbrite pad Question. (Hudsonmusic1@aol.com)
10. 02:36 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Gig Giacona)
11. 03:05 PM - 701 cover (Rick R)
12. 03:18 PM - Re: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation (Bill Naumuk)
13. 03:26 PM - Re: Homebuilt B-52 (Bill Naumuk)
14. 03:43 PM - Re: Homebuilt B-52 (Steve Hulland)
15. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation (Jim Hoak)
16. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation (Bill Naumuk)
17. 05:09 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (n801bh@netzero.com)
18. 06:32 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (kevinbonds)
19. 07:02 PM - Porsche Engine in a 701 (Ron D Leclerc)
20. 07:41 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Bill Cardell)
21. 08:10 PM - Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images (Jeffrey A Beachy)
22. 08:23 PM - Green Schotchbrite (Hudsonmusic1@aol.com)
23. 08:42 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Randy L. Thwing)
24. 08:52 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Lynn Dingfelder)
25. 09:08 PM - Re: Green Schotchbrite (N5SL)
26. 09:10 PM - Re: Green Schotchbrite (Randy Bryant)
27. 09:11 PM - Re: POH (Jerry Latimer)
28. 09:21 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Randy Bryant)
29. 09:51 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (JOHN STARN)
30. 11:19 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Larry Winger)
31. 11:32 PM - Official Zenith-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
32. 11:43 PM - Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Re: 701 cover |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Kennon's URL is:
http://kennoncovers.com/
Hope this helps
Jean-Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "fred sanford" <sonar1@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Re: Re: 701 cover
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: fred sanford <sonar1@cox.net>
>
> Bob:
> The prices are on their website (just google "Kennon covers"). Think it
> was around $450....
>
> Fred Ch701 70 hours
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus Subaru |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" <kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
I'm pretty much the same as Larry other than I'm flying the HD @ 720 lbs.
No carb heat, & approx 7 1/4" prop to ground clearance.
Also try posting your ? to the "Stratus" list as several Stratus fliers read
only that list and not the Z list.
Kelly Meiste
601 HD (147 hrs)
if anyone has a stratus Sub installed may I ask what you are
>> using for carb heat and where did you get it or how did you make it?
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I realize this isn't a true Zenith listing - but you gotta check this out
just the same.
THIS HAS TO BE THE ULTIMATE BIG BOYS TOY!!!!!! (FOR MILLIONAIRES ONLY ?)
This is a really neat model airplane -- truly amazing! Make sure you click
on the movie link at the bottom of the page to watch the movie of it in
flight.
Actually has 8 "real turbines" at about $1500 each! Took over 2 years to
build. It has a wing span of about 22 feet. Takes multiple pilots , as there
are so many things to control.
Think they were nervous during the maiden flight?
Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real turbines! $12,000
just for the engines !
Check out the movie link below to see the first flight. AMAZING !! (9:02
min)
<http://www.mcg%0D%0A%20irt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv>
http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
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| Subject: | 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Listers,
There has been some recent discussions about the difficulty of installing
the main gear on the 601HD & HDS.
I remembered some ancient comments ( about ten years ago ) in the Zenair
Newsletter. I went back and looked in Issues # 91 (Nov/Dec 1995) #93
(Mar/Apr 1996) #95 (Jul/Aug 1996) and # 97 (Nov/Dec 1996).
I was the submitter of the Article in Issue # 97. I had developed a way that
I considered a lot easier and quicker, not only for the initial installation
but any time maintenance had to be performed. I made use of nutplates and
some simple aluminum strips which didn't take long to make. The initial
installation of all three gear took me 45 minutes. Chris Heintz made a
comment following the article that the Bungees last for many years,
therefore maintenance wouldn't be needed. Ask those who have had main gear
fitting failures and those who must now beef up or modify the main gear legs
of the HD and HDS. They have to fight the same battle they did at initial
installation.
My tool and the way I installed the gear will allow me to do this job
without much problem. My main bungees have lasted for 10 years just as Chris
said but I have to now beef up the gear. No cracks yet but I don't want a
failure.
Take a look at those past issues of the Newletter. Several ideas to work
with.
Jim Hoak 601HD-Rotax 912UL- 27 Hours
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt B-52 |
Yea, but they crashed that bad boy a few months later. Made a big smoke
ball in the sky! Lots of money gone down the drain. Could have bought a Jabiru
FWF for what they crashed!
LOL
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
601XL / Corvair
Building Fuse
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt B-52 |
Too bad they crashed it shortly after the first flight.
http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/b52crash.mpeg
On Sep 1, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Bill Howerton wrote:
> I realize this isn=92t a true Zenith listing ' but you gotta check
> this out just the same.
>
>
> THIS HAS TO BE THE ULTIMATE BIG BOYS TOY!!!!!! (FOR MILLIONAIRES
> ONLY ?)
> This is a really neat model airplane -- truly amazing! Make sure
> you click on the movie link at the bottom of the page to watch the
> movie of it in flight.
>
> Actually has 8 "real turbines" at about $1500 each! Took over 2
> years to
> build. It has a wing span of about 22 feet. Takes multiple pilots ,
> as there
> are so many things to control.
> Think they were nervous during the maiden flight?
> Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real turbines!
> $12,000 just for the engines !
> Check out the movie link below to see the first flight. AMAZING !!
> (9:02 min)
>
> http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy <beachyjeff@juno.com>
Gentlemen:
I am working on installing my Skyshop purchased electric flap actuator in
my CH701. It will not fit, and without sending it back, neither Danny nor
I can figure out where the problem lies. Here are the details:
When my 7C3-1 Flaperon Control Mount is in the neutral position (50mm
from baggage compartment floor to the centerline of top tubes), the flap
actuator is too large to fit between the bottom channel (7F10-1) and the
mounting hole on the Flaperon Control Mount.
Measurements:
Between the bottom aft corner of the bottom channel to the mounting hole
on Flaperon Control Mount, 175mm.
Total length of extended actuator, from bottom aft corner of mounting
bracket to center of mounting hole in extended actuator rod, 214mm.
I will attach a picture showing measurements of my actuator.
Unless I am brain dead, the total length of the extended actuator needs
to be roughly 175mm to match the mounting hole in the bottom of the
Flaperon Control Mount when the Control Mount is in the neutral position.
So, either my actuator, which looks exactly like the one shown on
Skyshop's site, is a different size or the distance between the bottom
gear channel and the flaperon control mount on my plane is different for
some reason. Danny told me to send it back so that he can ensure it is
the correct one, which I will do if I have to, but I am hoping someone on
the list has the Skyshop electric flaps installed and is willing to open
the bottom panel and get some measurements for me.
On an entirely different note, I receive the daily digest version of the
Zenith list, which does not contain any attachments. I like the digest
version, but miss not seeing any images. Is there any way to change this
so that I can receive images with the digest version? Or is there a way
to access them somehow on the list elsewhere?
Thanks to all in advance. I'm having a blast building my 701, despite my
present problems.
Jeff Beachy
CH701, 70% or so
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I want to make a POH for my Zenair 601HDS. Has anyone made one that I
could use as a template?
James jmacdonald@city.lethbridge.ab.ca
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| Subject: | Scotchbrite pad Question. |
Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the ones you
buy from the aircraft supply store? Thanks Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
[quote="jeffhudson"]Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same
as the ones you buy from the aircraft supply store? Thanks Jeff
> [b]
Good lord be careful those things will kill you.
DO NOT ARCHIVE ...or use the wrong color scotchbrite
That's a good question and one I haven't been able to find the answer too in 4
years of building.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58939#58939
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I'm sending them wing measurements and a trace of the tip. Dawn said they would
mock something up, She already offers the lined cabin cover for $155. I'll
keep the list posted......
do not archive
Rick
Sharpsburg, GA. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Jim-
You poor guy! Only able to fly 27 hrs in 10 years!!! I thought I had it
bad, but all I can say is, I feel for you. I'm not doing much better. At
least, not lately.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
42.5%HDS
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <planejim@bellsouth.net>
>
> Listers,
>
> There has been some recent discussions about the difficulty of installing
> the main gear on the 601HD & HDS.
>
> I remembered some ancient comments ( about ten years ago ) in the Zenair
> Newsletter. I went back and looked in Issues # 91 (Nov/Dec 1995) #93
> (Mar/Apr 1996) #95 (Jul/Aug 1996) and # 97 (Nov/Dec 1996).
>
> I was the submitter of the Article in Issue # 97. I had developed a way
> that I considered a lot easier and quicker, not only for the initial
> installation but any time maintenance had to be performed. I made use of
> nutplates and some simple aluminum strips which didn't take long to make.
> The initial installation of all three gear took me 45 minutes. Chris
> Heintz made a comment following the article that the Bungees last for many
> years, therefore maintenance wouldn't be needed. Ask those who have had
> main gear fitting failures and those who must now beef up or modify the
> main gear legs of the HD and HDS. They have to fight the same battle they
> did at initial installation.
>
> My tool and the way I installed the gear will allow me to do this job
> without much problem. My main bungees have lasted for 10 years just as
> Chris said but I have to now beef up the gear. No cracks yet but I don't
> want a failure.
>
> Take a look at those past issues of the Newletter. Several ideas to work
> with.
>
> Jim Hoak 601HD-Rotax 912UL- 27 Hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt B-52 |
Bill-
I've seen some pretty fantastic models in my time, but how about the
guy that built a full scale P-51A from scratch? Pretty amazing, even if
he had to sub out some of the work. Past amazing- mind boggling. The
hydraulics alone are probably more complex than a Zenith!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
42.5%HDS
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Howerton
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Homebuilt B-52
I realize this isn't a true Zenith listing - but you gotta check this
out just the same.
THIS HAS TO BE THE ULTIMATE BIG BOYS TOY!!!!!! (FOR MILLIONAIRES ONLY
?)
This is a really neat model airplane -- truly amazing! Make sure you
click on the movie link at the bottom of the page to watch the movie of
it in flight.
Actually has 8 "real turbines" at about $1500 each! Took over 2 years
to
build. It has a wing span of about 22 feet. Takes multiple pilots , as
there
are so many things to control.
Think they were nervous during the maiden flight?
Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real turbines!
$12,000 just for the engines !
Check out the movie link below to see the first flight. AMAZING !!
(9:02 min)
http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt B-52 |
Bill,
Cannot get to B52 model site. Maby there is an error in the address.
Do Not Archive
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned
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free email and attachments.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Bill,
My mistake. My thumbs must have gotten in the way of my eyes. Have 527 hours
not 27. Sorry for the error. I didn't proof read well enough.
Jim H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Zenith-List: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear
Installation
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>
> Jim-
> You poor guy! Only able to fly 27 hrs in 10 years!!! I thought I had it
> bad, but all I can say is, I feel for you. I'm not doing much better. At
> least, not lately.
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> 42.5%HDS
> Townville, Pa
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <planejim@bellsouth.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:32 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <planejim@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> There has been some recent discussions about the difficulty of installing
>> the main gear on the 601HD & HDS.
>>
>> I remembered some ancient comments ( about ten years ago ) in the Zenair
>> Newsletter. I went back and looked in Issues # 91 (Nov/Dec 1995) #93
>> (Mar/Apr 1996) #95 (Jul/Aug 1996) and # 97 (Nov/Dec 1996).
>>
>> I was the submitter of the Article in Issue # 97. I had developed a way
>> that I considered a lot easier and quicker, not only for the initial
>> installation but any time maintenance had to be performed. I made use of
>> nutplates and some simple aluminum strips which didn't take long to make.
>> The initial installation of all three gear took me 45 minutes. Chris
>> Heintz made a comment following the article that the Bungees last for
>> many years, therefore maintenance wouldn't be needed. Ask those who have
>> had main gear fitting failures and those who must now beef up or modify
>> the main gear legs of the HD and HDS. They have to fight the same battle
>> they did at initial installation.
>>
>> My tool and the way I installed the gear will allow me to do this job
>> without much problem. My main bungees have lasted for 10 years just as
>> Chris said but I have to now beef up the gear. No cracks yet but I don't
>> want a failure.
>>
>> Take a look at those past issues of the Newletter. Several ideas to work
>> with.
>>
>> Jim Hoak 601HD-Rotax 912UL- 27 Hours
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Jim-
I would have felt better if it really was 27hrs! Between work
commitments, building, and rental fees...............
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
42.5%HDS
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
>
> Bill,
>
> My mistake. My thumbs must have gotten in the way of my eyes. Have 527
> hours not 27. Sorry for the error. I didn't proof read well enough.
>
> Jim H.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:16 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Zenith-List: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear
> Installation
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
>>
>> Jim-
>> You poor guy! Only able to fly 27 hrs in 10 years!!! I thought I had
>> it bad, but all I can say is, I feel for you. I'm not doing much better.
>> At least, not lately.
>> do not archive
>> Bill Naumuk
>> 42.5%HDS
>> Townville, Pa
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <planejim@bellsouth.net>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:32 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD & HDS Main Gear Installation
>>
>>
>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <planejim@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> There has been some recent discussions about the difficulty of
>>> installing the main gear on the 601HD & HDS.
>>>
>>> I remembered some ancient comments ( about ten years ago ) in the Zenair
>>> Newsletter. I went back and looked in Issues # 91 (Nov/Dec 1995) #93
>>> (Mar/Apr 1996) #95 (Jul/Aug 1996) and # 97 (Nov/Dec 1996).
>>>
>>> I was the submitter of the Article in Issue # 97. I had developed a way
>>> that I considered a lot easier and quicker, not only for the initial
>>> installation but any time maintenance had to be performed. I made use of
>>> nutplates and some simple aluminum strips which didn't take long to
>>> make. The initial installation of all three gear took me 45 minutes.
>>> Chris Heintz made a comment following the article that the Bungees last
>>> for many years, therefore maintenance wouldn't be needed. Ask those who
>>> have had main gear fitting failures and those who must now beef up or
>>> modify the main gear legs of the HD and HDS. They have to fight the same
>>> battle they did at initial installation.
>>>
>>> My tool and the way I installed the gear will allow me to do this job
>>> without much problem. My main bungees have lasted for 10 years just as
>>> Chris said but I have to now beef up the gear. No cracks yet but I don't
>>> want a failure.
>>>
>>> Take a look at those past issues of the Newletter. Several ideas to work
>>> with.
>>>
>>> Jim Hoak 601HD-Rotax 912UL- 27 Hours
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. |
If you get them from the Avaition section of Wal-mart it is ok. If they
were found in the households section, they will cause your babies to be
born naked....
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Hudsonmusic1@aol.com wrote:
Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the ones
you buy from the aircraft supply store? Thanks Jeff
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| Subject: | Scotchbrite pad Question. |
Jeff
You are going to have a hard time with this one, here on the list. The joke
around here is that, all you have to do to ruffle some feathers is mention
"green scotch-brite" pads. The short of it is, every time someone asks this
question it leads to a flood of posts that do nothing but confuse everyone.
The only wise advice I can give you is to be sure that you know what
abrasive is in your pad (or sandpaper) AC 43.13 says no Silicon Carbide; no
iron oxide; for corrosive reasons. Use only Aluminum Oxide or Garnet as an
abrasive mineral. Also, I have found the 3M website and packaging to be
notoriously lacking in this sort of information about their products. I have
had to call Customer Service on occasion and wait a while for them to hunt
the info down for me. I get a blank stare from auto paint shops when I ask
them about mineral content. Just know that this is not easily answered.
I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green
scotch-brite pad.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the ones you
buy from the aircraft supply store? Thanks Jeff
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Has anyone out there had the opportunity to install a Porsche Type 4 2.6L engine
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| Subject: | Scotchbrite pad Question. |
And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of aluminum
oxide near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to destroy
an engine. Don't ask how I know...
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
www.flyinmiata.com <http://www.flyinmiata.com/>
1-800-FLY-MX5S
tech 970-242-3800
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
Jeff
You are going to have a hard time with this one, here on the list. The
joke around here is that, all you have to do to ruffle some feathers is
mention "green scotch-brite" pads. The short of it is, every time
someone asks this question it leads to a flood of posts that do nothing
but confuse everyone. The only wise advice I can give you is to be sure
that you know what abrasive is in your pad (or sandpaper) AC 43.13 says
no Silicon Carbide; no iron oxide; for corrosive reasons. Use only
Aluminum Oxide or Garnet as an abrasive mineral. Also, I have found the
3M website and packaging to be notoriously lacking in this sort of
information about their products. I have had to call Customer Service on
occasion and wait a while for them to hunt the info down for me. I get a
blank stare from auto paint shops when I ask them about mineral content.
Just know that this is not easily answered.
I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green
scotch-brite pad.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds>
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Hudsonmusic1@aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the ones
you buy from the aircraft supply store? Thanks Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images |
Sorry, forgot to attach the picture.
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| Subject: | Green Schotchbrite |
OK, I get the picture. What else can be used to prepare 6061 for primer?
Jeff 601 working on wings. do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. |
"I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green
scotch-brite pad."
I'm pretty sure I can see it in this pic!
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Randy, Las Vegas, Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. |
Jeff,
I'll take the risk of responding to this well intentioned but
dangerous question. Once upon a time on this list, a source for the
desired #7447 Scotch-Bright was offered, and proved to be excellent. I
obtained a box of twenty large pads promptly and cheap (I don't remember
the exact price).
WWW.Use-enco.com
Lynn
Corry, PA
601XL Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Green Schotchbrite |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Jeff:
You can get a soapy acid solution from a trucking
supply house - It is called "Pro Par Super Renews II."
You should dilute it with water. It cleans and eats
at the aluminum. I scotch-brite, use the Pro Par,
then rinse with water and dry before priming.
Compared to some parts I just scuffed up, the primer
sticks a lot better with the Pro Par treatment. A
gallon lasts forever - I'm almost finished with my
airplane and still have half of the gallon left.
I bought all of my green scotch-brite from Wal-mart.
It works great.
Scott Laughlin
601XL
Omaha, Nebraska
Wrapping up engine cowl work
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_19_06_Cowl_Rside.JPG
--- Hudsonmusic1@aol.com wrote:
> OK, I get the picture. What else can be used to
> prepare 6061 for primer?
> Jeff 601 working on wings. do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Green Schotchbrite |
Just use self-etching primer... There's really no need to 'scuff' it
with anything, that's what the 'self-etching' in the primer does...
Just clean it really good with a solvent, I personally use MEK, but I
know some others use Acetone with good results...
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Hudsonmusic1@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Green Schotchbrite
OK, I get the picture. What else can be used to prepare 6061 for
primer? Jeff 601 working on wings. do not archive
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Try the following link on ZAC's website. There is also a manual from George
Pinneo for an HDS. The link is in the builder's section and may require a
password to get to the document.
Jerry Latimer
CH601HDS
http://www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/601-om.pdf
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James MacDonald
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: POH
I want to make a POH for my Zenair 601HDS. Has anyone made one that I could
use as a template?
James jmacdonald@city.lethbridge.ab.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. |
No need to be sorry... I believe I see it too!!
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
"I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a
green scotch-brite pad."
I'm pretty sure I can see it in this pic!
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Randy, Las Vegas, Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. |
Also don't get any nuts, bolts or washers near an engine either. It only
takes one to destroy an engine, ever drop the wingnut from an old
aftermarket Ford flathead aircleaner into the carb opening of a running
engine ?. NO, well I didn't either but I did help pull the old engine
out & replace it with a new shortblock.
EEGADS.....wingnut, flathead, carburetor, shortblock..... I think I just
dated myself as an old fart.
Old racer trick: New rings not seating, pour some Ajax or Comet in the
carb., with it running of course, engine will not last as long BUT the
rings will be seated for the race tonight. Ajax / aluminum oxide
hummmmm.
KABONG Do Not Archive 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Cardell
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of aluminum
oxide near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to destroy
an engine. Don't ask how I know...
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
www.flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S
tech 970-242-3800
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| Subject: | Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. |
If you follow the Construction Manual from ZAC, they recommend Scotch-Brite
P/N 7447. These are stocked by Aircraft Spruce for $.92 each (see listing
below) and I recently bought a box of 20 from my local NAPA auto parts
store. Not that hard to find.
Description Part No. Price Buy 3M GENERAL PURPSE HND PAD 7447 09-01503 |
pdf <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2007Individual/Cat07326.pdf> *$0.92*
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p-01503&q=1>
On 9/1/06, JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Also don't get any nuts, bolts or washers near an engine either. It only
> takes one to destroy an engine, ever drop the wingnut from an old
> aftermarket Ford flathead aircleaner into the carb opening of a running
> engine ?. NO, well I didn't either but I did help pull the old engine out &
> replace it with a new shortblock.
> EEGADS.....wingnut, flathead, carburetor, shortblock..... I think I just
> dated myself as an old fart.
> Old racer trick: New rings not seating, pour some Ajax or Comet in the
> carb., with it running of course, engine will not last as long BUT the rings
> will be seated for the race tonight. Ajax / aluminum oxide hummmmm.
> KABONG Do Not Archive 8*)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bill Cardell <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:39 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
>
>
> And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of aluminum oxide
> near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to destroy an engine.
> Don't ask how I know...
>
> Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
> www.flyinmiata.com
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S
> tech 970-242-3800
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Zenith-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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