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1. 01:26 AM - Re: Porsche Engine in a 701 (Monty Graves)
2. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images (Jari Kaija)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? (Gary Boothe)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Randy Bryant)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Robert Schoenberger)
6. 08:38 AM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Bill Cardell)
7. 08:49 AM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Bill Cardell)
8. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images (Jari Kaija)
9. 12:28 PM - 601 XL (KM Urban)
10. 01:20 PM - Re: Green Schotchbrite (Edward Moody II)
11. 01:44 PM - Re: 601 XL (LarryMcFarland)
12. 02:58 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (kevinbonds)
13. 03:48 PM - HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (William Dominguez)
14. 04:06 PM - Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Gary Boothe)
15. 04:10 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (Gary Boothe)
16. 04:34 PM - RE : HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (Carlos Sa)
17. 04:57 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (kevinbonds)
18. 05:00 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (kevinbonds)
19. 05:05 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (kevinbonds)
20. 05:32 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Gary Boothe)
21. 06:09 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (JOHN STARN)
22. 06:17 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Randy L. Thwing)
23. 06:27 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Michel Therrien)
24. 06:29 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (Gary Boothe)
25. 06:42 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Gary Boothe)
26. 07:11 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Paul Mulwitz)
27. 07:37 PM - KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (Zodie Rocket)
28. 07:48 PM - Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (Joemotis@aol.com)
29. 08:03 PM - Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (kevinbonds)
30. 08:05 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (William Dominguez)
31. 08:09 PM - Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (raymondj)
32. 08:10 PM - Re: RE : HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (William Dominguez)
33. 08:24 PM - Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (Zodie Rocket)
34. 08:25 PM - RE : KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (Carlos Sa)
35. 09:23 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Bill Naumuk)
36. 09:23 PM - Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (Bill Naumuk)
37. 10:06 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (J2j3h4@aol.com)
38. 11:03 PM - Iridite Wanted to Buy (messydeer)
39. 11:31 PM - When the rivet hole gets too big (lwinger)
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| Subject: | Re: Porsche Engine in a 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Ron,
I don't know of anyone that has put a type IV engine in the
CH701. There are a few Type I-III VW engines with Valley Eng
redrives, made by the Smiths at Culver Props.
One is my friend B.J. Schwaller, he has a 1915cc VW and redrive on his
701. The plane flys weekly now out of Eldon MO. Pictures of his plane
are in Zenith's Builders secton site......
www.culverprops.com
The Smiths build and sell VW engines, redrives for the VW, and engine
mounts for the 701, and of course really nice wood props.
I was just over to their shop on Wednesday of this week. They had just
finished another engine mount for the VW engine and Diel Case for a 701 in
New Zealand and it was being shipped that day. Also word on an IDAHO 701
builder that was just starting to test fly his 701 with the
Smiths, engine mount and their 2275cc VW engine and redrive Culver Prop
package...........So far he is very happy.
In the next few weeks, hopefully still in Sept. another K.C.Missouri
701 builder is also going to install their complete, mount, engine,
redrive, Culver Prop combo in hsi airplane......
Monty Graves
At 09:01 PM 9/1/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron D Leclerc <infow@mts.net>
>
>
>Has anyone out there had the opportunity to install a Porsche Type 4 2.6L
>engine in a 701? I need some info on an engine mount and building a
>redrive... perhaps someone has built one.
>
>Ron Leclerc
>Winnipeg MB Canada
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
> Sorry, forgot to attach the picture.
Are you going to send it back, or would you sell it to me?
How much it costs? Do you have skyshop's www link for it?
Please contact me: mailto://jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi
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http://www.jarikaija.com
http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? |
Dino,
Nice "sketch". Who needs a picture!?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dino Bortolin
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock?
I saw a very simple control lock on a 601 at Oshkosh. I can't recall the
builder's name, but he was based at Osh. Unfortunately I didn't take a
picture of the lock. I drew up a sketch (attached) that should give you the
idea. The dimensions are approximate; some amount of 'eyeball engineering'
is required. I think he had one on each outboard end of the elevator, and
the flaps were retracted with another between each flap and aileron.
Dino Bortolin
La Salle, Ontario
601/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. |
Yep, after "further enhancements" by the official crime lab here, the
results are clear!
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
"I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a
green scotch-brite pad."
I'm pretty sure I can see it in this pic!
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Randy, Las Vegas, Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Bill . . . in what way does the aluminum oxide near an engine destroy
it? Robert Schoenberger 701 do not archive
Bill Cardell wrote:
> And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of aluminum
> oxide near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to destroy
> an engine. Don't ask how I know...
> Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
> www.flyinmiata.com <http://www.flyinmiata.com/>
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S
> tech 970-242-3800
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *kevinbonds
> *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:30 PM
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
>
> Jeff
>
> You are going to have a hard time with this one, here on the list. The
> joke around here is that, all you have to do to ruffle some feathers
> is mention green scotch-brite pads. The short of it is, every time
> someone asks this question it leads to a flood of posts that do
> nothing but confuse everyone. The only wise advice I can give you is
> to be sure that you know what abrasive is in your pad (or sandpaper)
> AC 43.13 says no Silicon Carbide; no iron oxide; for corrosive
> reasons. Use only Aluminum Oxide or Garnet as an abrasive mineral.
> Also, I have found the 3M website and packaging to be notoriously
> lacking in this sort of information about their products. I have had
> to call Customer Service on occasion and wait a while for them to hunt
> the info down for me. I get a blank stare from auto paint shops when I
> ask them about mineral content. Just know that this is not easily
> answered.
>
> Im convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a
> green scotch-brite pad.
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
> <http://home.comcast.net/%7Ekevinbonds>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Hudsonmusic1@aol.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 4:22 PM
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
>
> Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the
> ones you buy from the aircraft supply store? Thanks Jeff
>
> * *
> *
>
>
> *
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Scotchbrite pad Question. |
Yes, you might seat the rings for the race, but it'll be an oil burning
SOB and the destruction will continue. The oxide lodges in the soft
metals and eats the hard metals. For instance, when you take the pins
out of an oxided engine, the pin bore in the aluminum piston is unworn,
the bronze bush in the rod is unworn, but the hardened steel pin will be
a couple thou undersized after a few hundred miles.
Not stuff you want near an engine that has to last more than one night.
GM has issued warnings to not use scotchbrite cleaning pads as they had
a bunch of warrantee claims from mechanics cleaning the head and block
surfaces with scotchbrite, followed by ring failure.
I'm not such a young fart myself and I've seen the destruction happen. I
have a shelf full of parts from it.
TurboDog's Dad
Bill Cardell
www.flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S
970-242-3800
________________________________
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
Also don't get any nuts, bolts or washers near an engine either. It only
takes one to destroy an engine, ever drop the wingnut from an old
aftermarket Ford flathead aircleaner into the carb opening of a running
engine ?. NO, well I didn't either but I did help pull the old engine
out & replace it with a new shortblock.
EEGADS.....wingnut, flathead, carburetor, shortblock..... I think I just
dated myself as an old fart.
Old racer trick: New rings not seating, pour some Ajax or Comet in the
carb., with it running of course, engine will not last as long BUT the
rings will be seated for the race tonight. Ajax / aluminum oxide
hummmmm.
KABONG Do Not Archive 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Cardell <mailto:Bill@flyinmiata.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of
aluminum oxide near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to
destroy an engine. Don't ask how I know...
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
www.flyinmiata.com <http://www.flyinmiata.com>
1-800-FLY-MX5S
tech 970-242-3800
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| Subject: | Scotchbrite pad Question. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
Sorry, "near" is an exaggeration. The particular examples I'm painfully
aware of are from a cylinder head porter using aluminum oxide to bead
blast intake runners and ports before applying a thermal coating. What
happens is the alu embeds in the aluminum parts and time releases as the
parts heat cycle. Once it's in the intake stream and into the oil, it
eats all the hard parts. Cylinder walls, crank journals, pins, valve
stems, etc.
On one of the engines I was involved with, the pins had 2 thou of wear
after 125 miles. Car had to come back on a flatbed after 125 miles
because it was pumping so much oil it fouled the plugs.
According to GM, Scotchbrite wheels will accomplish the same damage if
used to clean aluminum engine surfaces. The only way to get the stuff
out of the pores of the aluminum is to jet clean and then ultrasonic
cleaning.
TurboDog's Dad
Bill Cardell
www.flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S
970-242-3800
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Schoenberger
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger
--> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Bill . . . in what way does the aluminum oxide near an engine destroy
it? Robert Schoenberger 701 do not archive
Bill Cardell wrote:
> And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of aluminum
> oxide near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to destroy
> an engine. Don't ask how I know...
> Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
> www.flyinmiata.com <http://www.flyinmiata.com/> 1-800-FLY-MX5S tech
> 970-242-3800
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *kevinbonds
> *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:30 PM
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
>
> Jeff
>
> You are going to have a hard time with this one, here on the list. The
> joke around here is that, all you have to do to ruffle some feathers
> is mention "green scotch-brite" pads. The short of it is, every time
> someone asks this question it leads to a flood of posts that do
> nothing but confuse everyone. The only wise advice I can give you is
> to be sure that you know what abrasive is in your pad (or sandpaper)
> AC 43.13 says no Silicon Carbide; no iron oxide; for corrosive
> reasons. Use only Aluminum Oxide or Garnet as an abrasive mineral.
> Also, I have found the 3M website and packaging to be notoriously
> lacking in this sort of information about their products. I have had
> to call Customer Service on occasion and wait a while for them to hunt
> the info down for me. I get a blank stare from auto paint shops when I
> ask them about mineral content. Just know that this is not easily
> answered.
>
> I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a
> green scotch-brite pad.
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
> <http://home.comcast.net/%7Ekevinbonds>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Hudsonmusic1@aol.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 4:22 PM
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
>
> Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the
> ones you buy from the aircraft supply store? Thanks Jeff
>
> * *
> *
>
>
> *
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
> Please contact me: mailto://jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi
Sorry, I mean: mailto:jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi (without back slashes)
do not archive
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Dear List,
I am a newbie who is shoping for a project and I am considering the XL.I
ask the kit factory if aerobatics are allowed in the XL.I got a
different answer from two people, one of which said mild acro is OK.I
was wondering if many of you use your XL for the ocasional loop or
roll.Has anyone got a straight answer from the designer on this?Thanks,
Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: Green Schotchbrite |
Jeff, since I'm priming the inside and overlapping surfaces with
self-etching Zinc Oxide (from rattle cans) I feel that scuffing with
sand paper or scotchbrite is a totally unnecessary exercise. Etching the
metal surface produces far more bond than the scratches we could make
with abrasives. I have simply cleaned the surface thoroughly with laquer
thinner then sprayed the primer on. The result has been fine.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Hudsonmusic1@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Green Schotchbrite
OK, I get the picture. What else can be used to prepare 6061 for
primer? Jeff 601 working on wings. do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Kirk,
Pleased to see you looking at the 601 series. Excellent aircraft. The
advertised g-loading would say any positive loaded maneuvers like the
roll or loop could be
tolerated easily, but I'd not choose the 601 if aerobatics were your
primary interest. The XL wing is much thinner a section than the
previous HD and HDS. Both of these
have thick enough wing to handle loads, but are a bit slower for the
same thickness. I think everyone has done a roll or a loop once or
twice in the XL, but it's the exception
to the kind of flying intended. If you need more detail, you should
speak only to Nick at Zenith. As the principal design engineer, he would
certainly elaborate in greater detail.
Best regards,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
KM Urban wrote:
> Dear List,
> I am a newbie who is shoping for a project and I am considering the
> XL.I ask the kit factory if aerobatics are allowed in the XL.I got a
> different answer from two people, one of which said mild acro is OK.I
> was wondering if many of you use your XL for the ocasional loop or
> roll.Has anyone got a straight answer from the designer on this?Thanks,
> Kirk
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| Subject: | Scotchbrite pad Question. |
Well done. I love it.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bryant
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
Yep, after "further enhancements" by the official crime lab here, the
results are clear!
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. <mailto:n4546v@mindspring.com> Thwing
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
"I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green
scotch-brite pad."
I'm pretty sure I can see it in this pic!
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Randy, Las Vegas, Do not archive
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| Subject: | HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots |
Ive noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that
cannot be removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a
while. In some cases these white spots have develop into some type of white corrosion
(filiform) that I have removed with scoth-brite.
Ive searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem
back in 2004 but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did
you solve this?)
Is this common? Should I be concerned?
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
www.ea-report.com (in hiatus for now)
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| Subject: | Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies |
Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could scrap build my center
section and fuselage (after kit building the tail and wings), I have been
known to stare at the ceiling in the middle of the night, visualizing how I
could build flanging dies out of wood.
Not to be outdone by Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal Bending Brake, and in an
obvious effort to take the food right out of the mouths of the babies of
machinists, I finally made, and used (successfully), flanging dies out of
plywood!
I hope the attachments are within the abilities of all to download, and,
since this is my first attempt at attaching an image, I am currently sitting
uncomfortably in my asbestos underwear.
Wood is really what I am most comfortable with. Switching from a Pietenpol
to a 601 was a last minute decision after completing the WW Corvair
Conversion. Any of you wood-chucks out there, like me, who wish a more
detailed account can e-mail me directly. (any body skinned their 601
fuselage with plywood?....just kidding.)
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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| Subject: | HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots |
I found this in the archives. I think it's Kevin. protecting his work from
sweat.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Dominguez
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
I've noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that
cannot be removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a
while. In some cases these white spots have develop into some type of white
corrosion (filiform) that I have removed with scoth-brite.
I've searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem
back in 2004 but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did
you solve this?)
Is this common? Should I be concerned?
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| Subject: | HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
William, I can say this is very common, special in hot days, even I do sweat.
Most people do. Don't worry, you are still healthy.
Carlos
do not archive - and sorry, I could resist, but did not.
--- William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> a crit :
> Ive noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that
cannot be
> removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a while. In
some cases these
> white spots have develop into some type of white corrosion (filiform) that I
have removed with
> scoth-brite.
>
> Ive searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem
back in 2004
> but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did you solve this?)
>
> Is this common? Should I be concerned?
>
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> www.ea-report.com (in hiatus for now)
>
p5.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Sat Sep 2 23:23:39 GMT 2006
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| Subject: | HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots |
So I'm not the only one heh? I have resorted to cleaning most things with
Alumiprep 33 just before spraying or riveting together. I also have had a
moisture problem, in my basement shop, which has contributed. Most of my
aluminum, that has not been cleaned, has a haze on it until I clean it. I
suspect you have a humidity problem as well. Your sweat contains salt, and
when it is humid you have moisture and salt. Sound like a bad combination?
The only reason more people don't complain of this is that they don't live
in Nashville, Tennessee like me.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Dominguez
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:47 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
I've noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that
cannot be removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a
while. In some cases these white spots have develop into some type of white
corrosion (filiform) that I have removed with scoth-brite.
I've searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem
back in 2004 but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did
you solve this?)
Is this common? Should I be concerned?
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| Subject: | Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies |
I tried this approach, but found the ply's delaminated when I tried to use
them.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies
Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could scrap build my center
section and fuselage (after kit building the tail and wings), I have been
known to stare at the ceiling in the middle of the night, visualizing how I
could build flanging dies out of wood.
Not to be outdone by Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal Bending Brake, and in an
obvious effort to take the food right out of the mouths of the babies of
machinists, I finally
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| Subject: | HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots |
No offense guys, but my wife says, "it's funny that you are such a nerd,
that even your nerd friends make fun of you". Thanks guys.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
I found this in the archives. I think it's Kevin. protecting his work from
sweat.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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| Subject: | Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies |
I was able to accomplish all 10 large holes in the nose ribs in
approximately 15 minutes. The dies still look good, too. And that was Home
Depot plywood! Guess I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Gary
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies
I tried this approach, but found the ply's delaminated when I tried to use
them.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies
Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could scrap build my center
section and fuselage (after kit building the tail and wings), I have been
known to stare at the ceiling in the middle of the night, visualizing how I
could build flanging dies out of wood.
Not to be outdone by Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal Bending Brake, and in an
obvious effort to take the food right out of the mouths of the babies of
machinists, I finally
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| Subject: | Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots |
Just remember that it's your friends that kid you.
A: Because they can. and
B: Because they care.
They wouldn't spend the time or energy ribbing you if they didn't.
KABONG Do Not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: kevinbonds
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like
spots
No offense guys, but my wife says, "it's funny that you are such a
nerd, that even your nerd friends make fun of you". Thanks guys.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:09 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like
spots
I found this in the archives. I think it's Kevin. protecting his work
from sweat.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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| Subject: | Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. |
Nice job. See, aviation can be fun if you don't take everything too
serious!
Randy, Las Vegas, do not archive
Yep, after "further enhancements" by the official crime lab here, the
results are clear!
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
Do Not Archive
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question.
"I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a
green scotch-brite pad."
I'm pretty sure I can see it in this pic!
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Randy, Las Vegas, Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I also used wooden flanging dies similar to your's.
The person who made them available to me made them out
of "Russian plywood". He also made all forming blocs
using that material. It is a very good plywood, but I
have no idea where we can find this.
Using them with a hydraulic press was very efficient.
See picture below:
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/p6v31h.jpg
Michel
--- Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
> I was able to accomplish all 10 large holes in the
> nose ribs in
> approximately 15 minutes. The dies still look good,
> too. And that was Home
> Depot plywood! Guess I'll keep my fingers crossed.
>
>
>
> Gary
_____
>
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:04 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies
>
>
>
> Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could
> scrap build my center
> section and fuselage (after kit building the tail
> and wings), I have been
> known to stare at the ceiling in the middle of the
> night, visualizing how I
> could build flanging dies out of wood.
>
>
>
> Not to be outdone by Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal
> Bending Brake, and in an
> obvious effort to take the food right out of the
> mouths of the babies of
> machinists, I finally
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots |
John,
Thanks for clarifying that! Kevin - thanks for being a good sport. The
world is full of "friends" I haven't met.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
Do not Archive
Just remember that it's your friends that kid you.
A: Because they can. and
B: Because they care.
They wouldn't spend the time or energy ribbing you if they didn't. KABONG
Do Not Archive.
No offense guys, but my wife says, "it's funny that you are such a nerd,
that even your nerd friends make fun of you". Thanks guys.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
I found this in the archives. I think it's Kevin. protecting his work from
sweat.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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| Subject: | Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies |
Michael,
You're my kind of guy! You could have bought a hydraulic press from Harbor
Freight for about $100, but, no, you've got to build one out of wood!
Gary
Do not archive
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I also used wooden flanging dies similar to your's.
The person who made them available to me made them out
of "Russian plywood". He also made all forming blocs
using that material. It is a very good plywood, but I
have no idea where we can find this.
Using them with a hydraulic press was very efficient.
See picture below:
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/p6v31h.jpg
Michel
--- Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
> I was able to accomplish all 10 large holes in the
> nose ribs in
> approximately 15 minutes. The dies still look good,
> too. And that was Home
> Depot plywood! Guess I'll keep my fingers crossed.
>
>
>
> Gary
_____
>
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:04 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies
>
>
>
> Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could
> scrap build my center
> section and fuselage (after kit building the tail
> and wings), I have been
> known to stare at the ceiling in the middle of the
> night, visualizing how I
> could build flanging dies out of wood.
>
>
>
> Not to be outdone by Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal
> Bending Brake, and in an
> obvious effort to take the food right out of the
> mouths of the babies of
> machinists, I finally
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I agree that Russian plywood is really good. It is not the same sort
of low-quality junk plywood available at the Harry Home-owner stores
at all. It is usually at least 7 layers of Birch. You get more
layers as you get thicker plywood. It is also called Nordic Birch
plywood - some of it even comes from countries other than Russia.
I can get it at two different wood stores in Portland, OR. I like
using it for all sorts of stuff around the shop including nice wood
boxes. You can probably find it at higher class hardwood outlets
rather than construction lumber companies.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 06:25 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
>I also used wooden flanging dies similar to your's.
>The person who made them available to me made them out
>of "Russian plywood". He also made all forming blocs
>using that material. It is a very good plywood, but I
>have no idea where we can find this.
>
>Using them with a hydraulic press was very efficient.
>See picture below:
>
>http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/p6v31h.jpg
>
>Michel
>
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| Subject: | KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! |
I can=92t take it any longer !! What the Hell does KABONG stand for???
Your driving me absolutely friggen nuts trying to figure it out!!!!
Cdngoose
Do not archive at least till we get an answer to KABONG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
Just remember that it's your friends that kid you.
A: Because they can. and
B: Because they care.
They wouldn't spend the time or energy ribbing you if they didn't.
KABONG Do Not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:kevinbonds@comcast.net"kevinbonds
"mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com"zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
No offense guys, but my wife says, =93it=92s funny that you are such a
nerd,
that even your nerd friends make fun of you=94. Thanks guys.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
HYPERLINK
"http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds"http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: HYPERLINK
"mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com"owner-zenith-list-server@
matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
I found this in the archives. I think it=92s Kevin=85 protecting his
work
from sweat.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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| Subject: | KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! |
That's his RAP name. M.C. KABONG. It's what his "homies" know him as.
Ironically, mine is D.J. ACID-FINGERS.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zodie Rocket
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!!
I can't take it any longer !! What the Hell does KABONG stand for??? Your
driving me absolutely friggen nuts trying to figure it out!!!!
Cdngoose
Do not archive at least till we get an answer to KABONG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
Just remember that it's your friends that kid you.
A: Because they can. and
B: Because they care.
They wouldn't spend the time or energy ribbing you if they didn't. KABONG
Do Not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: kevinbonds <mailto:kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
No offense guys, but my wife says, "it's funny that you are such a nerd,
that even your nerd friends make fun of you". Thanks guys.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
I found this in the archives. I think it's Kevin. protecting his work from
sweat.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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| Subject: | HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots |
I live in Miami, it may explain the humidity problem.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
www.ea-report.com (in hiatus for now)
do not archive
kevinbonds <kevinbonds@comcast.net> wrote:
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not the only one heh? I have resorted to cleaning most things with Alumiprep
33 just before spraying or riveting together. I also have had a moisture problem,
in my basement shop, which has contributed.
Most of my aluminum, that has not been cleaned, has a haze on it until I clean
it. I suspect you have a humidity problem as well. Your sweat contains salt,
and when it is humid you have moisture and salt. Sound like a bad combination?
The only reason more people dont complain of this is that they dont live
in Nashville, Tennessee like me.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Dominguez
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:47 PM
To: Matronics List
Subject: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots
Ive noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface
that cannot be removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for
a while. In some cases these white spots have develop into some type of white
corrosion (filiform) that I have removed with scoth-brite.
Ive searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem
back in 2004 but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how
did you solve this?)
Is this common? Should I be concerned?
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| Subject: | KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! |
Oh, El Kabong!
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joemotis@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:47 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!!
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| Subject: | Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots |
So we all sweat, I feel better now, Im canceling the doctors appointment.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
www.ea-report.com (in hiatus for now)
do not archive
Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos
Sa
William, I can say this is very common, special in hot days, even I do sweat.
Most people do. Don't worry, you are still healthy.
Carlos
do not archive - and sorry, I could resist, but did not.
--- William Dominguez a crit :
> Ive noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that
cannot be
> removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a while. In
some cases these
> white spots have develop into some type of white corrosion (filiform) that I
have removed with
> scoth-brite.
>
> Ive searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem
back in 2004
> but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did you solve this?)
>
> Is this common? Should I be concerned?
>
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> www.ea-report.com (in hiatus for now)
>
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| Subject: | KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! |
That is a picture of Quick Draw McGraw , but where doe=92s the KABONG
come into it and what does it stand for? I realize it is a small thing
and I apologize to all you others for wasting your time with this post,
but after reading KABONG for over a year and asking many other members
of this list no one knows! I can go to bed with a problem on the plane
and wake up in the morning with an answer and still get a good nights
sleep. But this has actually kept me up at night trying to figure out a
cryptic meaning for KABONG !!!
cdngoose
do not archive ~ I don=92t want a momento of my slide into insanity
saved
in the archives.
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| Subject: | KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
You probably didn't watch enough TV or are too young to have seen it!
http://www.animationartgallery.com/WBLHB1018.html
And the character is so famous, you can find it in Garmin maps:
http://www.sportys.com/morepics//2144a.jpg
linked from here:
http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?DID=19&CATID=93&Product_ID=10383&count=1&Pcount=17
and now we can archive it.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
...now back to your regular broadcast ...
--- Zodie Rocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> a crit :
> I cant take it any longer !! What the Hell does KABONG stand for???
> Your driving me absolutely friggen nuts trying to figure it out!!!!
>
> Cdngoose
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| Subject: | Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies |
Gary and all-
The credit belongs, as it should, to those who came before me.
I learned to scratch build from necessity, and wouldn't have had a
clue if it weren't for the "Old timers". I've said it before and I'll
say it again- Zenith builders are a tiny fraction of the world's
population. We fight like hell (Although the latest Scotchbrite posts
have been relatively tame), but that's because we're brothers, and
brothers fight.
Just finished building a slight modification of Larry Mac's
cruciform jig, leveled and mounted my center wing. 30 hours total, less
than $50 (Only if you make a trip to the scrapyard- buy new steel and
you're screwed). I consider it a necessity. Check out Larry's site- I
can give a few tips, but all the basics are there. His is designed for
an HDS, but you can modify it for an XL.
Waiting for corrosion protectant to dry on aileron bellcranks before
assembly, then tomorrow I start on the fuse!!! (Larry and Jeff, I
figured I'd leave the relief radii until after I rig everything).
One final note. I HIGHLY recommend the Homebuilder's Help DVDs. Wish
I had them years ago. I doubt if Jon and Mark have a single dissatisfied
customer.
Good building!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
45%HDS
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 7:04 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies
Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could scrap build my center
section and fuselage (after kit building the tail and wings)
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| Subject: | Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! |
Mark-
I have no idea if this is relevant, but I've heard KABONG used by
Chick Magee, a radio personality on the rather racy program "The Bob and
Tom Show" I listen to on my commute to work. If I'm right, send the
prize money in small bills, or a complete set of HH DVDs.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
45%HDS
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Zodie Rocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!!
I can=92t take it any longer !! What the Hell does KABONG stand for???
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| Subject: | Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies |
I'm thinking of using pressure-treated pine. If you have ever worked with
this, you know that it is very hard.
Jim Hasper
In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:12:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I agree that Russian plywood is really good. It is not the same sort
of low-quality junk plywood available at the Harry Home-owner stores
at all. It is usually at least 7 layers of Birch. You get more
layers as you get thicker plywood. It is also called Nordic Birch
plywood - some of it even comes from countries other than Russia.
I can get it at two different wood stores in Portland, OR. I like
using it for all sorts of stuff around the shop including nice wood
boxes. You can probably find it at higher class hardwood outlets
rather than construction lumber companies.
Paul
XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Iridite Wanted to Buy |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
I'm looking to buy a couple pounds of iridite from somebody. I've used a gallon
of Alodine and am just getting started. My research on iridite a few months ago
came up with only a few sources. I'd have to buy 10# and pay a lot for shipping.
I'm in Bellingham, WA
If that's not possible, maybe you could let me know of some retail sources?
Thanks,
Dan
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| Subject: | When the rivet hole gets too big |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" <larrywinger@gmail.com>
When doing side two of my trailing edge rudder skin, one of my last holes "walked"
on me. It was the end rivet on rear rib #3, and it became oblong in a big
hurry. Ouch.
Since it is in a non-structural area, I'm looking for a good way to recover. BTW,
I'm planning to paint the plane, so I'll have opportunity down the road to
fill and shape if that is required/makes sense.
One lister has already suggested a larger rivet (A5) and JB Weld if there is still
a void. What would you suggest?
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL #6493 from scratch
Rudder skin clecoed and ready to prime/rivet
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