---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/02/06: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:26 AM - Re: Porsche Engine in a 701 (Monty Graves) 2. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images (Jari Kaija) 3. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? (Gary Boothe) 4. 06:53 AM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Randy Bryant) 5. 07:44 AM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Robert Schoenberger) 6. 08:38 AM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Bill Cardell) 7. 08:49 AM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Bill Cardell) 8. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images (Jari Kaija) 9. 12:28 PM - 601 XL (KM Urban) 10. 01:20 PM - Re: Green Schotchbrite (Edward Moody II) 11. 01:44 PM - Re: 601 XL (LarryMcFarland) 12. 02:58 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (kevinbonds) 13. 03:48 PM - HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (William Dominguez) 14. 04:06 PM - Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Gary Boothe) 15. 04:10 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (Gary Boothe) 16. 04:34 PM - RE : HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (Carlos Sa) 17. 04:57 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (kevinbonds) 18. 05:00 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (kevinbonds) 19. 05:05 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (kevinbonds) 20. 05:32 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Gary Boothe) 21. 06:09 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (JOHN STARN) 22. 06:17 PM - Re: Scotchbrite pad Question. (Randy L. Thwing) 23. 06:27 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Michel Therrien) 24. 06:29 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (Gary Boothe) 25. 06:42 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Gary Boothe) 26. 07:11 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Paul Mulwitz) 27. 07:37 PM - KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (Zodie Rocket) 28. 07:48 PM - Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (Joemotis@aol.com) 29. 08:03 PM - Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (kevinbonds) 30. 08:05 PM - Re: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (William Dominguez) 31. 08:09 PM - Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (raymondj) 32. 08:10 PM - Re: RE : HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots (William Dominguez) 33. 08:24 PM - Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (Zodie Rocket) 34. 08:25 PM - RE : KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (Carlos Sa) 35. 09:23 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (Bill Naumuk) 36. 09:23 PM - Re: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! (Bill Naumuk) 37. 10:06 PM - Re: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies (J2j3h4@aol.com) 38. 11:03 PM - Iridite Wanted to Buy (messydeer) 39. 11:31 PM - When the rivet hole gets too big (lwinger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:15 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Porsche Engine in a 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves Ron, I don't know of anyone that has put a type IV engine in the CH701. There are a few Type I-III VW engines with Valley Eng redrives, made by the Smiths at Culver Props. One is my friend B.J. Schwaller, he has a 1915cc VW and redrive on his 701. The plane flys weekly now out of Eldon MO. Pictures of his plane are in Zenith's Builders secton site...... www.culverprops.com The Smiths build and sell VW engines, redrives for the VW, and engine mounts for the 701, and of course really nice wood props. I was just over to their shop on Wednesday of this week. They had just finished another engine mount for the VW engine and Diel Case for a 701 in New Zealand and it was being shipped that day. Also word on an IDAHO 701 builder that was just starting to test fly his 701 with the Smiths, engine mount and their 2275cc VW engine and redrive Culver Prop package...........So far he is very happy. In the next few weeks, hopefully still in Sept. another K.C.Missouri 701 builder is also going to install their complete, mount, engine, redrive, Culver Prop combo in hsi airplane...... Monty Graves At 09:01 PM 9/1/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron D Leclerc > > >Has anyone out there had the opportunity to install a Porsche Type 4 2.6L >engine in a 701? I need some info on an engine mount and building a >redrive... perhaps someone has built one. > >Ron Leclerc >Winnipeg MB Canada > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:18 AM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > Sorry, forgot to attach the picture. Are you going to send it back, or would you sell it to me? How much it costs? Do you have skyshop's www link for it? Please contact me: mailto://jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi ---------------------------------- http://www.jarikaija.com http://www.project-ch701.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:50 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? Dino, Nice "sketch". Who needs a picture!? Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, wings done, working on c-section _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dino Bortolin Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 Aileron Lock / Rudder Lock? I saw a very simple control lock on a 601 at Oshkosh. I can't recall the builder's name, but he was based at Osh. Unfortunately I didn't take a picture of the lock. I drew up a sketch (attached) that should give you the idea. The dimensions are approximate; some amount of 'eyeball engineering' is required. I think he had one on each outboard end of the elevator, and the flaps were retracted with another between each flap and aileron. Dino Bortolin La Salle, Ontario 601/Corvair ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:01 AM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. Yep, after "further enhancements" by the official crime lab here, the results are clear! Randy XL Wings - Plans Only Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy L. Thwing To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. "I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green scotch-brite pad." I'm pretty sure I can see it in this pic! I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry Randy, Las Vegas, Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:17 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger Bill . . . in what way does the aluminum oxide near an engine destroy it? Robert Schoenberger 701 do not archive Bill Cardell wrote: > And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of aluminum > oxide near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to destroy > an engine. Don't ask how I know... > Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad) > www.flyinmiata.com > 1-800-FLY-MX5S > tech 970-242-3800 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *kevinbonds > *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:30 PM > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. > > Jeff > > You are going to have a hard time with this one, here on the list. The > joke around here is that, all you have to do to ruffle some feathers > is mention green scotch-brite pads. The short of it is, every time > someone asks this question it leads to a flood of posts that do > nothing but confuse everyone. The only wise advice I can give you is > to be sure that you know what abrasive is in your pad (or sandpaper) > AC 43.13 says no Silicon Carbide; no iron oxide; for corrosive > reasons. Use only Aluminum Oxide or Garnet as an abrasive mineral. > Also, I have found the 3M website and packaging to be notoriously > lacking in this sort of information about their products. I have had > to call Customer Service on occasion and wait a while for them to hunt > the info down for me. I get a blank stare from auto paint shops when I > ask them about mineral content. Just know that this is not easily > answered. > > Im convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a > green scotch-brite pad. > > Kevin Bonds > > Nashville TN > > 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. > > Empennage done; working on wings and engine. > > http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds > > > do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Hudsonmusic1@aol.com > *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 4:22 PM > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. > > Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the > ones you buy from the aircraft supply store? Thanks Jeff > > * * > * > > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:58 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. From: "Bill Cardell" Yes, you might seat the rings for the race, but it'll be an oil burning SOB and the destruction will continue. The oxide lodges in the soft metals and eats the hard metals. For instance, when you take the pins out of an oxided engine, the pin bore in the aluminum piston is unworn, the bronze bush in the rod is unworn, but the hardened steel pin will be a couple thou undersized after a few hundred miles. Not stuff you want near an engine that has to last more than one night. GM has issued warnings to not use scotchbrite cleaning pads as they had a bunch of warrantee claims from mechanics cleaning the head and block surfaces with scotchbrite, followed by ring failure. I'm not such a young fart myself and I've seen the destruction happen. I have a shelf full of parts from it. TurboDog's Dad Bill Cardell www.flyinmiata.com 1-800-FLY-MX5S 970-242-3800 ________________________________ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. Also don't get any nuts, bolts or washers near an engine either. It only takes one to destroy an engine, ever drop the wingnut from an old aftermarket Ford flathead aircleaner into the carb opening of a running engine ?. NO, well I didn't either but I did help pull the old engine out & replace it with a new shortblock. EEGADS.....wingnut, flathead, carburetor, shortblock..... I think I just dated myself as an old fart. Old racer trick: New rings not seating, pour some Ajax or Comet in the carb., with it running of course, engine will not last as long BUT the rings will be seated for the race tonight. Ajax / aluminum oxide hummmmm. KABONG Do Not Archive 8*) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Cardell To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of aluminum oxide near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to destroy an engine. Don't ask how I know... Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad) www.flyinmiata.com 1-800-FLY-MX5S tech 970-242-3800 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. From: "Bill Cardell" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell" Sorry, "near" is an exaggeration. The particular examples I'm painfully aware of are from a cylinder head porter using aluminum oxide to bead blast intake runners and ports before applying a thermal coating. What happens is the alu embeds in the aluminum parts and time releases as the parts heat cycle. Once it's in the intake stream and into the oil, it eats all the hard parts. Cylinder walls, crank journals, pins, valve stems, etc. On one of the engines I was involved with, the pins had 2 thou of wear after 125 miles. Car had to come back on a flatbed after 125 miles because it was pumping so much oil it fouled the plugs. According to GM, Scotchbrite wheels will accomplish the same damage if used to clean aluminum engine surfaces. The only way to get the stuff out of the pores of the aluminum is to jet clean and then ultrasonic cleaning. TurboDog's Dad Bill Cardell www.flyinmiata.com 1-800-FLY-MX5S 970-242-3800 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schoenberger Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger --> Bill . . . in what way does the aluminum oxide near an engine destroy it? Robert Schoenberger 701 do not archive Bill Cardell wrote: > And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of aluminum > oxide near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to destroy > an engine. Don't ask how I know... > Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad) > www.flyinmiata.com 1-800-FLY-MX5S tech > 970-242-3800 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *kevinbonds > *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:30 PM > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. > > Jeff > > You are going to have a hard time with this one, here on the list. The > joke around here is that, all you have to do to ruffle some feathers > is mention "green scotch-brite" pads. The short of it is, every time > someone asks this question it leads to a flood of posts that do > nothing but confuse everyone. The only wise advice I can give you is > to be sure that you know what abrasive is in your pad (or sandpaper) > AC 43.13 says no Silicon Carbide; no iron oxide; for corrosive > reasons. Use only Aluminum Oxide or Garnet as an abrasive mineral. > Also, I have found the 3M website and packaging to be notoriously > lacking in this sort of information about their products. I have had > to call Customer Service on occasion and wait a while for them to hunt > the info down for me. I get a blank stare from auto paint shops when I > ask them about mineral content. Just know that this is not easily > answered. > > I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a > green scotch-brite pad. > > Kevin Bonds > > Nashville TN > > 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. > > Empennage done; working on wings and engine. > > http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds > > > do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Hudsonmusic1@aol.com > *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 4:22 PM > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. > > Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the > ones you buy from the aircraft supply store? Thanks Jeff > > * * > * > > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:02 AM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > Please contact me: mailto://jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi Sorry, I mean: mailto:jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi (without back slashes) do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:06 PM PST US From: "KM Urban" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Dear List, I am a newbie who is shoping for a project and I am considering the XL.I ask the kit factory if aerobatics are allowed in the XL.I got a different answer from two people, one of which said mild acro is OK.I was wondering if many of you use your XL for the ocasional loop or roll.Has anyone got a straight answer from the designer on this?Thanks, Kirk ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:34 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Green Schotchbrite Jeff, since I'm priming the inside and overlapping surfaces with self-etching Zinc Oxide (from rattle cans) I feel that scuffing with sand paper or scotchbrite is a totally unnecessary exercise. Etching the metal surface produces far more bond than the scratches we could make with abrasives. I have simply cleaned the surface thoroughly with laquer thinner then sprayed the primer on. The result has been fine. Ed Moody II Rayne, LA 601XL / fuselage ----- Original Message ----- From: Hudsonmusic1@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Green Schotchbrite OK, I get the picture. What else can be used to prepare 6061 for primer? Jeff 601 working on wings. do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:35 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Kirk, Pleased to see you looking at the 601 series. Excellent aircraft. The advertised g-loading would say any positive loaded maneuvers like the roll or loop could be tolerated easily, but I'd not choose the 601 if aerobatics were your primary interest. The XL wing is much thinner a section than the previous HD and HDS. Both of these have thick enough wing to handle loads, but are a bit slower for the same thickness. I think everyone has done a roll or a loop once or twice in the XL, but it's the exception to the kind of flying intended. If you need more detail, you should speak only to Nick at Zenith. As the principal design engineer, he would certainly elaborate in greater detail. Best regards, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com KM Urban wrote: > Dear List, > I am a newbie who is shoping for a project and I am considering the > XL.I ask the kit factory if aerobatics are allowed in the XL.I got a > different answer from two people, one of which said mild acro is OK.I > was wondering if many of you use your XL for the ocasional loop or > roll.Has anyone got a straight answer from the designer on this?Thanks, > Kirk ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:04 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. Well done. I love it. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bryant Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. Yep, after "further enhancements" by the official crime lab here, the results are clear! Randy XL Wings - Plans Only Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy L. Thwing Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. "I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green scotch-brite pad." I'm pretty sure I can see it in this pic! I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry Randy, Las Vegas, Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:09 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots Ive noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that cannot be removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a while. In some cases these white spots have develop into some type of white corrosion (filiform) that I have removed with scoth-brite. Ive searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem back in 2004 but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did you solve this?) Is this common? Should I be concerned? William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans www.ea-report.com (in hiatus for now) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:46 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could scrap build my center section and fuselage (after kit building the tail and wings), I have been known to stare at the ceiling in the middle of the night, visualizing how I could build flanging dies out of wood. Not to be outdone by Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal Bending Brake, and in an obvious effort to take the food right out of the mouths of the babies of machinists, I finally made, and used (successfully), flanging dies out of plywood! I hope the attachments are within the abilities of all to download, and, since this is my first attempt at attaching an image, I am currently sitting uncomfortably in my asbestos underwear. Wood is really what I am most comfortable with. Switching from a Pietenpol to a 601 was a last minute decision after completing the WW Corvair Conversion. Any of you wood-chucks out there, like me, who wish a more detailed account can e-mail me directly. (any body skinned their 601 fuselage with plywood?....just kidding.) Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, wings done, working on c-section ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:43 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots I found this in the archives. I think it's Kevin. protecting his work from sweat. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, wings done, working on c-section _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Dominguez Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots I've noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that cannot be removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a while. In some cases these white spots have develop into some type of white corrosion (filiform) that I have removed with scoth-brite. I've searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem back in 2004 but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did you solve this?) Is this common? Should I be concerned? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:14 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: RE : Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa William, I can say this is very common, special in hot days, even I do sweat. Most people do. Don't worry, you are still healthy. Carlos do not archive - and sorry, I could resist, but did not. --- William Dominguez a crit : > Ive noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that cannot be > removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a while. In some cases these > white spots have develop into some type of white corrosion (filiform) that I have removed with > scoth-brite. > > Ive searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem back in 2004 > but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did you solve this?) > > Is this common? Should I be concerned? > > > William Dominguez > Zodiac 601XL Plans > www.ea-report.com (in hiatus for now) > p5.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Sat Sep 2 23:23:39 GMT 2006 __________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:38 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots So I'm not the only one heh? I have resorted to cleaning most things with Alumiprep 33 just before spraying or riveting together. I also have had a moisture problem, in my basement shop, which has contributed. Most of my aluminum, that has not been cleaned, has a haze on it until I clean it. I suspect you have a humidity problem as well. Your sweat contains salt, and when it is humid you have moisture and salt. Sound like a bad combination? The only reason more people don't complain of this is that they don't live in Nashville, Tennessee like me. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Dominguez Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots I've noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that cannot be removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a while. In some cases these white spots have develop into some type of white corrosion (filiform) that I have removed with scoth-brite. I've searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem back in 2004 but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did you solve this?) Is this common? Should I be concerned? ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:21 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies I tried this approach, but found the ply's delaminated when I tried to use them. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Plans building. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could scrap build my center section and fuselage (after kit building the tail and wings), I have been known to stare at the ceiling in the middle of the night, visualizing how I could build flanging dies out of wood. Not to be outdone by Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal Bending Brake, and in an obvious effort to take the food right out of the mouths of the babies of machinists, I finally ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:02 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots No offense guys, but my wife says, "it's funny that you are such a nerd, that even your nerd friends make fun of you". Thanks guys. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots I found this in the archives. I think it's Kevin. protecting his work from sweat. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, wings done, working on c-section ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:15 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies I was able to accomplish all 10 large holes in the nose ribs in approximately 15 minutes. The dies still look good, too. And that was Home Depot plywood! Guess I'll keep my fingers crossed. Gary _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies I tried this approach, but found the ply's delaminated when I tried to use them. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Plans building. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could scrap build my center section and fuselage (after kit building the tail and wings), I have been known to stare at the ceiling in the middle of the night, visualizing how I could build flanging dies out of wood. Not to be outdone by Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal Bending Brake, and in an obvious effort to take the food right out of the mouths of the babies of machinists, I finally ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:11 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots Just remember that it's your friends that kid you. A: Because they can. and B: Because they care. They wouldn't spend the time or energy ribbing you if they didn't. KABONG Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinbonds To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots No offense guys, but my wife says, "it's funny that you are such a nerd, that even your nerd friends make fun of you". Thanks guys. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:09 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots I found this in the archives. I think it's Kevin. protecting his work from sweat. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, wings done, working on c-section ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:07 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. Nice job. See, aviation can be fun if you don't take everything too serious! Randy, Las Vegas, do not archive Yep, after "further enhancements" by the official crime lab here, the results are clear! Randy XL Wings - Plans Only Do Not Archive Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scotchbrite pad Question. "I'm convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green scotch-brite pad." I'm pretty sure I can see it in this pic! I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry Randy, Las Vegas, Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:45 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien I also used wooden flanging dies similar to your's. The person who made them available to me made them out of "Russian plywood". He also made all forming blocs using that material. It is a very good plywood, but I have no idea where we can find this. Using them with a hydraulic press was very efficient. See picture below: http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/p6v31h.jpg Michel --- Gary Boothe wrote: > I was able to accomplish all 10 large holes in the > nose ribs in > approximately 15 minutes. The dies still look good, > too. And that was Home > Depot plywood! Guess I'll keep my fingers crossed. > > > > Gary _____ > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Gary Boothe > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:04 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies > > > > Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could > scrap build my center > section and fuselage (after kit building the tail > and wings), I have been > known to stare at the ceiling in the middle of the > night, visualizing how I > could build flanging dies out of wood. > > > > Not to be outdone by Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal > Bending Brake, and in an > obvious effort to take the food right out of the > mouths of the babies of > machinists, I finally > > > > > > > ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:51 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots John, Thanks for clarifying that! Kevin - thanks for being a good sport. The world is full of "friends" I haven't met. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, wings done, working on c-section Do not Archive Just remember that it's your friends that kid you. A: Because they can. and B: Because they care. They wouldn't spend the time or energy ribbing you if they didn't. KABONG Do Not Archive. No offense guys, but my wife says, "it's funny that you are such a nerd, that even your nerd friends make fun of you". Thanks guys. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots I found this in the archives. I think it's Kevin. protecting his work from sweat. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, wings done, working on c-section ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:12 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies Michael, You're my kind of guy! You could have bought a hydraulic press from Harbor Freight for about $100, but, no, you've got to build one out of wood! Gary Do not archive --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien I also used wooden flanging dies similar to your's. The person who made them available to me made them out of "Russian plywood". He also made all forming blocs using that material. It is a very good plywood, but I have no idea where we can find this. Using them with a hydraulic press was very efficient. See picture below: http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/p6v31h.jpg Michel --- Gary Boothe wrote: > I was able to accomplish all 10 large holes in the > nose ribs in > approximately 15 minutes. The dies still look good, > too. And that was Home > Depot plywood! Guess I'll keep my fingers crossed. > > > > Gary _____ > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Gary Boothe > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:04 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies > > > > Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could > scrap build my center > section and fuselage (after kit building the tail > and wings), I have been > known to stare at the ceiling in the middle of the > night, visualizing how I > could build flanging dies out of wood. > > > > Not to be outdone by Dave's Cheap Sheet Metal > Bending Brake, and in an > obvious effort to take the food right out of the > mouths of the babies of > machinists, I finally > > > > > > > ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:45 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz I agree that Russian plywood is really good. It is not the same sort of low-quality junk plywood available at the Harry Home-owner stores at all. It is usually at least 7 layers of Birch. You get more layers as you get thicker plywood. It is also called Nordic Birch plywood - some of it even comes from countries other than Russia. I can get it at two different wood stores in Portland, OR. I like using it for all sorts of stuff around the shop including nice wood boxes. You can probably find it at higher class hardwood outlets rather than construction lumber companies. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 06:25 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > >I also used wooden flanging dies similar to your's. >The person who made them available to me made them out >of "Russian plywood". He also made all forming blocs >using that material. It is a very good plywood, but I >have no idea where we can find this. > >Using them with a hydraulic press was very efficient. >See picture below: > >http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/p6v31h.jpg > >Michel > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:25 PM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! I can=92t take it any longer !! What the Hell does KABONG stand for??? Your driving me absolutely friggen nuts trying to figure it out!!!! Cdngoose Do not archive at least till we get an answer to KABONG -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots Just remember that it's your friends that kid you. A: Because they can. and B: Because they care. They wouldn't spend the time or energy ribbing you if they didn't. KABONG Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:kevinbonds@comcast.net"kevinbonds "mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com"zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots No offense guys, but my wife says, =93it=92s funny that you are such a nerd, that even your nerd friends make fun of you=94. Thanks guys. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. HYPERLINK "http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds"http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds _____ From: HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com"owner-zenith-list-server@ matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots I found this in the archives. I think it=92s Kevin=85 protecting his work from sweat. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, wings done, working on c-section "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://wiki.matronics.com"http://wiki.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion -- 8/31/2006 -- 8/31/2006 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:58 PM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:12 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! That's his RAP name. M.C. KABONG. It's what his "homies" know him as. Ironically, mine is D.J. ACID-FINGERS. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Plans building. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zodie Rocket Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! I can't take it any longer !! What the Hell does KABONG stand for??? Your driving me absolutely friggen nuts trying to figure it out!!!! Cdngoose Do not archive at least till we get an answer to KABONG -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots Just remember that it's your friends that kid you. A: Because they can. and B: Because they care. They wouldn't spend the time or energy ribbing you if they didn't. KABONG Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinbonds Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots No offense guys, but my wife says, "it's funny that you are such a nerd, that even your nerd friends make fun of you". Thanks guys. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots I found this in the archives. I think it's Kevin. protecting his work from sweat. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, wings done, working on c-section - The Zenith-List Email Forum - --> - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - --> - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> -- 8/31/2006 -- 8/31/2006 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:41 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots I live in Miami, it may explain the humidity problem. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans www.ea-report.com (in hiatus for now) do not archive kevinbonds wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} So Im not the only one heh? I have resorted to cleaning most things with Alumiprep 33 just before spraying or riveting together. I also have had a moisture problem, in my basement shop, which has contributed. Most of my aluminum, that has not been cleaned, has a haze on it until I clean it. I suspect you have a humidity problem as well. Your sweat contains salt, and when it is humid you have moisture and salt. Sound like a bad combination? The only reason more people dont complain of this is that they dont live in Nashville, Tennessee like me. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE --------------------------------- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Dominguez Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:47 PM To: Matronics List Subject: Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots Ive noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that cannot be removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a while. In some cases these white spots have develop into some type of white corrosion (filiform) that I have removed with scoth-brite. Ive searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem back in 2004 but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did you solve this?) Is this common? Should I be concerned? ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:44 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! Oh, El Kabong! do not archive Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joemotis@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:47 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:32 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: RE : Zenith-List: HELP! My sweat is causing corrosion like spots So we all sweat, I feel better now, Im canceling the doctors appointment. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans www.ea-report.com (in hiatus for now) do not archive Carlos Sa wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa William, I can say this is very common, special in hot days, even I do sweat. Most people do. Don't worry, you are still healthy. Carlos do not archive - and sorry, I could resist, but did not. --- William Dominguez a crit : > Ive noticed that my sweat is causing white spots in the metal surface that cannot be > removed with lacquer thinner after the sweat have been left for a while. In some cases these > white spots have develop into some type of white corrosion (filiform) that I have removed with > scoth-brite. > > Ive searched the archives and found that Kevin Bonds had the same problem back in 2004 > but at that time, no definite answer was given. (Kevin, how did you solve this?) > > Is this common? Should I be concerned? > > > William Dominguez > Zodiac 601XL Plans > www.ea-report.com (in hiatus for now) > p5.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Sat Sep 2 23:23:39 GMT 2006 __________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:38 PM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! That is a picture of Quick Draw McGraw , but where doe=92s the KABONG come into it and what does it stand for? I realize it is a small thing and I apologize to all you others for wasting your time with this post, but after reading KABONG for over a year and asking many other members of this list no one knows! I can go to bed with a problem on the plane and wake up in the morning with an answer and still get a good nights sleep. But this has actually kept me up at night trying to figure out a cryptic meaning for KABONG !!! cdngoose do not archive ~ I don=92t want a momento of my slide into insanity saved in the archives. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joemotis@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://wiki.matronics.com"http://wiki.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion -- 8/31/2006 -- 8/31/2006 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:05 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: RE : Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa You probably didn't watch enough TV or are too young to have seen it! http://www.animationartgallery.com/WBLHB1018.html And the character is so famous, you can find it in Garmin maps: http://www.sportys.com/morepics//2144a.jpg linked from here: http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?DID=19&CATID=93&Product_ID=10383&count=1&Pcount=17 and now we can archive it. Carlos CH601-HD, plans ...now back to your regular broadcast ... --- Zodie Rocket a crit : > I cant take it any longer !! What the Hell does KABONG stand for??? > Your driving me absolutely friggen nuts trying to figure it out!!!! > > Cdngoose p4.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Sun Sep 3 02:23:36 GMT 2006 __________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:36 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies Gary and all- The credit belongs, as it should, to those who came before me. I learned to scratch build from necessity, and wouldn't have had a clue if it weren't for the "Old timers". I've said it before and I'll say it again- Zenith builders are a tiny fraction of the world's population. We fight like hell (Although the latest Scotchbrite posts have been relatively tame), but that's because we're brothers, and brothers fight. Just finished building a slight modification of Larry Mac's cruciform jig, leveled and mounted my center wing. 30 hours total, less than $50 (Only if you make a trip to the scrapyard- buy new steel and you're screwed). I consider it a necessity. Check out Larry's site- I can give a few tips, but all the basics are there. His is designed for an HDS, but you can modify it for an XL. Waiting for corrosion protectant to dry on aileron bellcranks before assembly, then tomorrow I start on the fuse!!! (Larry and Jeff, I figured I'd leave the relief radii until after I rig everything). One final note. I HIGHLY recommend the Homebuilder's Help DVDs. Wish I had them years ago. I doubt if Jon and Mark have a single dissatisfied customer. Good building! do not archive Bill Naumuk 45%HDS Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies Ever since Bill Naumuk convinced me that I could scrap build my center section and fuselage (after kit building the tail and wings) ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:36 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! Mark- I have no idea if this is relevant, but I've heard KABONG used by Chick Magee, a radio personality on the rather racy program "The Bob and Tom Show" I listen to on my commute to work. If I'm right, send the prize money in small bills, or a complete set of HH DVDs. do not archive Bill Naumuk 45%HDS Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Zodie Rocket To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: KABONG DRIVING ME FRIGGEN NUTS !!!! I can=92t take it any longer !! What the Hell does KABONG stand for??? ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:10 PM PST US From: J2j3h4@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gary's Cheap Flanging Dies I'm thinking of using pressure-treated pine. If you have ever worked with this, you know that it is very hard. Jim Hasper In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:12:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz I agree that Russian plywood is really good. It is not the same sort of low-quality junk plywood available at the Harry Home-owner stores at all. It is usually at least 7 layers of Birch. You get more layers as you get thicker plywood. It is also called Nordic Birch plywood - some of it even comes from countries other than Russia. I can get it at two different wood stores in Portland, OR. I like using it for all sorts of stuff around the shop including nice wood boxes. You can probably find it at higher class hardwood outlets rather than construction lumber companies. Paul XL fuselage ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:09 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Iridite Wanted to Buy From: "messydeer" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "messydeer" I'm looking to buy a couple pounds of iridite from somebody. I've used a gallon of Alodine and am just getting started. My research on iridite a few months ago came up with only a few sources. I'd have to buy 10# and pay a lot for shipping. I'm in Bellingham, WA If that's not possible, maybe you could let me know of some retail sources? Thanks, Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=59155#59155 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:19 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: When the rivet hole gets too big From: "lwinger" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" When doing side two of my trailing edge rudder skin, one of my last holes "walked" on me. It was the end rivet on rear rib #3, and it became oblong in a big hurry. Ouch. Since it is in a non-structural area, I'm looking for a good way to recover. BTW, I'm planning to paint the plane, so I'll have opportunity down the road to fill and shape if that is required/makes sense. One lister has already suggested a larger rivet (A5) and JB Weld if there is still a void. What would you suggest? -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL #6493 from scratch Rudder skin clecoed and ready to prime/rivet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=59157#59157