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1. 04:22 AM - Re: White corrosion (Noel Loveys)
2. 07:57 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 09/05/06 (alex trent)
3. 08:23 AM - Re: throttle (Hugh Roberts)
4. 09:33 AM - Re: Leading Edge Dents (Kenny Aron)
5. 11:11 AM - Re: White corrosion (LarryMcFarland)
6. 12:43 PM - Re: Throttle Cable for Rotax (Johann G. Johannsson)
7. 03:14 PM - Re: throttle (Bryan Martin)
8. 03:50 PM - Re: Changing out the Lexan windshields on CH2000 (TYA2)
9. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: throttle (Trevor Page)
10. 06:04 PM - Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport (R.P.)
11. 06:21 PM - Radio opinion (Gerald A. Applefeld VMD)
12. 06:49 PM - Re: Radio opinion (Sigmo@aol.com)
13. 06:55 PM - Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport (Steve Hulland)
14. 06:57 PM - Re: throttle (Noel Loveys)
15. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: throttle (Bryan Martin)
16. 08:34 PM - Re: Radio opinion (Peter Dunning)
17. 08:36 PM - Re: Radio opinion (Peter Dunning)
18. 09:21 PM - Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport (Trevor Page)
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When you do the Alumiprep make sure you do a water break test. Just
pour
fresh water across the part and it should sheet evenly... If not scrub
again
in places where the water didn't sheet.
Noel
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: White corrosion
Kevin-
That's what I wanted to hear. Don't care where you live- there's a
NAPA
within spitting distance. Of course, if it's not in stock........
Here's my big question. It means a lot to me because depending on
the
answer, I have to shift from "Build" to "Scrub down" mode before going
any
farther.
Once you get some corrosion, do you have to strip interior surfaces
clean like you would for a painted surface BEFORE applying your Zinc
Chromate or other protectant, or can you just apply the protectant? I
don't
know- maybe skins stop corroding when you separate so moisture doesn't
collect between them and you don't have to do anything. I don't think
you
have a choice but to thoroughly clean the painted surfaces.
All input, especially from builders who found themselves in the same
situation, is appreciated.
do not
archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Trainnut01@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: White corrosion
Kevin
NAPA carries a Martin-Senour product called "Twin Etch". Van's
recommends it
on their RVs.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 09/05/06 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
nope. It may be the digest I will try getting the individual emails.
alex
do not archive
> Time: 05:53:15 AM PST US
> From: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Attachments test
>
> Alex,
>
> Small photo attached.
>
> See if you get it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Zed/do not archive
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Dave,
The throttle settings do change as the engine moves from thrust and roll
from torque.
I think if the control rods are parallel in all directions both carbs
will change the same amount.
I'm not sure how much they move but I bet it's just a few thousanths due
to the 14 inch long throttle rod.
I think the vacuum crossover tube should fix any slight variations.
I use ball rod ends to get rid of any side loads on carb.
Hugh
P.S.
Forgot to mention----912S engine--CH701. Kept cheap T throttles.
hughfr@evertek.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: throttle
Hugh,
How do you counter the thrust inputs on the engine? I would think
with this setup engine thrust equates to carbs out of sync. It doesn't
take much of a movement on the linkage arm to pull different vacuum
loads form one carb to the other.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh Roberts
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: throttle
Didn't like cable throttle system,hard to tune carbs.
third 912 I have converted,no problem.
must build all new bell crank system.line up arms with carb
levers.
put spring loaded friction on cross tube. Both throttles kept.
Hugh Roberts
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge Dents |
Dave,
I posted the pics, you can find them on my project site here:
http://websites.expercraft.com/kennya/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=11959
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| Subject: | Re: White corrosion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Bill,
In the process of preparing for paint, especially my water-thinned
primer, you have to scrub the plane clean, etch and rinse it. The
problem I find is
that to be able to prime, you must do it within 12 hours of rinse so
that the oxides don't re-establish before primer. Hard to do because
the interior of
wings and things get damp during the rinse and are somewhat resistant to
the air gun blow dry process. Do check that the primer you're going to use
is compatible with the zinc chromate you put inside your plane. I've
been doing a work-around for an external primer that isn't compatible by
extensively
drying the seams and rivets.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> Kevin-
> That's what I wanted to hear. Don't care where you live- there's a
> NAPA within spitting distance. Of course, if it's not in stock........
> Here's my big question. It means a lot to me because depending on
> the answer, I have to shift from "Build" to "Scrub down" mode before
> going any farther.
> Once you get some corrosion, do you have to strip interior
> surfaces clean like you would for a painted surface BEFORE applying
> your Zinc Chromate or other protectant, or can you just apply the
> protectant? I don't know- maybe skins stop corroding when you separate
> so moisture doesn't collect between them and you don't have to do
> anything. I don't think you have a choice but to thoroughly clean the
> painted surfaces.
> All input, especially from builders who found themselves in the
> same situation, is appreciated.
> do not
> archive
>
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable for Rotax |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G. Johannsson" <johann@rafpostur.is>
Hello Tommy.
I used the Vernier throttle from ACS wit the solid wire end, A820 on both sides.
I started with the throttle on the left side, and then decided to install it
on both sides, because it was the perfect setup.
The old T from Zenith is still on the right side in the picture on my home page.
Did not like that long stick because it was hard to control.
If you need the part to attatch the cable to the steel rod, I could send it to
you. Just contact me off list with your address, and I will ship it to you.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
--------
Johann G.
Iceland.
Flying Zenith 701.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60016#60016
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The throttle pictured on your website is an A-820 push-pull friction
lock throttle, not a vernier throttle (A-750, A-790 or A-970).
A-820 friction lock throttle control
A vernier throttle does not have the friction lock knob like yours.
It has a ball bearing mechanism inside the barrel that allows small
adjustments to be made by twisting the knob and a button in the
center of the knob that releases the vernier mechanism to allow large
adjustments to be made by pushing or pulling on the knob.
A-790 Vernier throttle control
I don't know any convenient way to use two of these vernier controls
to control the same engine or even any other type of control along
with a vernier. You would have to disable the vernier mechanism on
one to use the other because the vernier mechanism prevents the
control from moving unless you turn the knob or push the button.
That's why I decided to eliminate the second throttle control when I
installed a vernier control.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G. Johannsson"
> <johann@rafpostur.is>
>
> Hello Tommy.
>
> I used the Vernier throttle from ACS wit the solid wire end, A820
> on both sides.
> I started with the throttle on the left side, and then decided to
> install it
> on both sides, because it was the perfect setup.
> The old T from Zenith is still on the right side in the picture on
> my home page.
>
> Did not like that long stick because it was hard to control.
> If you need the part to attatch the cable to the steel rod, I could
> send it to
> you. Just contact me off list with your address, and I will ship it
> to you.
>
> Best regards,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
>
> --------
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> Flying Zenith 701.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List:Changing out the Lexan windshields on CH2000 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
Any one got any tips on changing out the SH_T lexan windshields and side
panels on a Ch2000? Mine are about to be replaced for the 4 th time in 12
years but the first time by me. What do I do? Drill out the old
rivets? Try and match the rivet pattern on the new one, cleco it in
place, and then pop rivet it in place? DO I start at the side and work
around to the front, or start at the front and work to the side? What
about the stuff that keeps it from leaking. Zenair sold me new windshield
but no new washers? Are they standard pop rivet washers? What about the
stuff that seals the windshields? In talking with my local a an p he
indicated it was fiddly scut work that he didn't want to be bothered with
and that I might as well do it myself. What about corrosion proofing the
rivets head before reassembly?
Looking for ideas. I was disappointed Zenair had not come up with a
better system than flat pieces of lexan that have to be forced into shape.
Rocky in Edmonton
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| Subject: | Re: RE: throttle |
I've been advised by many that a vernier throttle on a Rotax is not
recommended because of the carb design (full throttle on linkage
break). I have the A-820 and it works perfectly. I'd hate to have to
mash a vernier in an emergency considering you have to push on the
button to get it to move!! Better for mixture control in my opinion...
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
do not archive
On Sep 6, 2006, at 6:13 PM, Bryan Martin wrote:
> The throttle pictured on your website is an A-820 push-pull
> friction lock throttle, not a vernier throttle (A-750, A-790 or
> A-970).
> <pastedGraphic.jpg>
> A-820 friction lock throttle control
>
> A vernier throttle does not have the friction lock knob like yours.
> It has a ball bearing mechanism inside the barrel that allows small
> adjustments to be made by twisting the knob and a button in the
> center of the knob that releases the vernier mechanism to allow
> large adjustments to be made by pushing or pulling on the knob.
>
> <pastedGraphic.jpg>
> A-790 Vernier throttle control
>
> I don't know any convenient way to use two of these vernier
> controls to control the same engine or even any other type of
> control along with a vernier. You would have to disable the vernier
> mechanism on one to use the other because the vernier mechanism
> prevents the control from moving unless you turn the knob or push
> the button. That's why I decided to eliminate the second throttle
> control when I installed a vernier control.
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G. Johannsson"
>> <johann@rafpostur.is>
>>
>> Hello Tommy.
>>
>> I used the Vernier throttle from ACS wit the solid wire end, A820
>> on both sides.
>> I started with the throttle on the left side, and then decided to
>> install it
>> on both sides, because it was the perfect setup.
>> The old T from Zenith is still on the right side in the picture on
>> my home page.
>>
>> Did not like that long stick because it was hard to control.
>> If you need the part to attatch the cable to the steel rod, I
>> could send it to
>> you. Just contact me off list with your address, and I will ship
>> it to you.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Johann G.
>> Iceland.
>>
>> --------
>> Johann G.
>> Iceland.
>> Flying Zenith 701.
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport |
I've been trying out a new camera mount on my Zodiac. Here's a video
clip on I put together. I'm not really happy with the quality of the
video, so I'd appreciate anyone who has some tips on getting video from
the digital video camera through the computer and onto Youtube with some
better quality.
Here goes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYX52rNWFXk
Rick Pitcher
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld VMD" <jerryvmd@comcast.net>
List,
I have an opportunity to purchase a used Microair 760 radio for a good
price. I current use an ICOM handheld as my primary COM radio attached
to an external antenna. I works well, gives a good signal and is easy
to change frequencies. The down side is the display is small, difficult
to read esp. in sunlight. I thought a panel mount compact unit might be
ideal. Does anyone have experience with the Microair? Would you buy it
again? Any problems other than some compaints I've read of ignition
noise? Anything to look out for.? I must make a desion by tomorrow
afternoon. Thanks
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Radio opinion |
Microair 760 is a great radio but the XCOM is better and has an internal
intercom for about the same price.
Mike Sigman
N7092N
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| Subject: | Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport |
Rick,
Nice video. I think it is just fine. Where were you flyin into and out of?
What Zodiac was it?
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CH 600 Taildragger
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The easy way around that, if it bothers you, is to attach the throttle
rod
to the engine block instead of the fire wall.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hugh
Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: throttle
Dave,
The throttle settings do change as the engine moves from thrust and roll
from torque.
I think if the control rods are parallel in all directions both carbs
will
change the same amount.
I'm not sure how much they move but I bet it's just a few thousanths due
to
the 14 inch long throttle rod.
I think the vacuum crossover tube should fix any slight variations.
I use ball rod ends to get rid of any side loads on carb.
Hugh
P.S.
Forgot to mention----912S engine--CH701. Kept cheap T throttles.
hughfr@evertek.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave <mailto:daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: throttle
Hugh,
How do you counter the thrust inputs on the engine? I would think with
this
setup engine thrust equates to carbs out of sync. It doesn't take much
of a
movement on the linkage arm to pull different vacuum loads form one carb
to
the other.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh <mailto:hughfr@evertek.net> Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: throttle
Didn't like cable throttle system,hard to tune carbs.
third 912 I have converted,no problem.
must build all new bell crank system.line up arms with carb levers.
put spring loaded friction on cross tube. Both throttles kept.
Hugh Roberts
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| Subject: | Re: RE: throttle |
I don't see why the carb design has anything to do with the use of a
vernier, if the linkage breaks the carb will go to full throttle no
matter what type of throttle is used. My Subaru has a carburetor
setup similar to the Rotax. As far as mashing on the vernier in an
emergency, if you need full power, just push on the face of the knob
with your hand or thumb exactly the same as you would with the A-820
and you will push in the button and advance the throttle at the same
time. To retard the throttle, grab the throttle with two fingers and
thumb like normal, squeeze and pull. Both actions are natural and
automatic and don't require any special effort. The advantage of the
A-320 is that you can use two of them for dual control where you
can't with the vernier. To me this is no hardship since I don't plan
on flying solo from the right seat. I think the single throttle setup
is a bit simpler and lighter. Either setup should work fine.
On Sep 6, 2006, at 7:35 PM, Trevor Page wrote:
> I've been advised by many that a vernier throttle on a Rotax is not
> recommended because of the carb design (full throttle on linkage
> break). I have the A-820 and it works perfectly. I'd hate to have
> to mash a vernier in an emergency considering you have to push on
> the button to get it to move!! Better for mixture control in my
> opinion...
>
> Trev Page
> C-IDUS 601HD R912
>
> do not archive
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Radio opinion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Dunning <peterd@metec.co.nz>
Hi Jerry
I bought a 760 plus integrated intercom back in 1999 when I started the
panel construction and ran it to listen to local traffic on occasion.
Approx. 15 months later it became inoperative (not yet in service, but just
outside warranty). It cost significant dollars to fix. Since then it has
failed again and I resolved to buy a seperate intercom from sigtronics
because the second failure was the Microair intercom. Not impressed !
My first Microair transducer had to be replaced and that is now up to Ver 7.
firmware.
All this with TSO'd gear.... and my bird has yet to leave the nest.
Cheers
Peter
CH601HD/912S - at painting stage.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald A. Applefeld VMD" <jerryvmd@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio opinion
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld VMD"
> <jerryvmd@comcast.net>
>
> List,
> I have an opportunity to purchase a used Microair 760 radio for a good
> price. I current use an ICOM handheld as my primary COM radio attached to
> an external antenna. I works well, gives a good signal and is easy to
> change frequencies. The down side is the display is small, difficult to
> read esp. in sunlight. I thought a panel mount compact unit might be
> ideal. Does anyone have experience with the Microair? Would you buy it
> again? Any problems other than some compaints I've read of ignition
> noise? Anything to look out for.? I must make a desion by tomorrow
> afternoon. Thanks
> Jerry
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio opinion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Dunning <peterd@metec.co.nz>
Hi Jerry
My previous response said "Microair Transducer" when it should be "Microair
Transponder"....
cheers
Peter
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald A. Applefeld VMD" <jerryvmd@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio opinion
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| Subject: | Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport |
Hey Rick, how did you mount the camera? I've been dying to do the
same and I can't figure out a way to mount my DV cam to get decent
shots...
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Sep 6, 2006, at 9:03 PM, R.P. wrote:
> I've been trying out a new camera mount on my Zodiac. Here's a
> video clip on I put together. I'm not really happy with the quality
> of the video, so I'd appreciate anyone who has some tips on getting
> video from the digital video camera through the computer and onto
> Youtube with some better quality.
>
> Here goes:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYX52rNWFXk
>
> Rick Pitcher
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