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1. 05:30 AM - lost address (Zodie Rocket)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: Changing out the Lexan windshields on CH2000 (steveadams)
3. 08:24 AM - Re: Changing out the Lexan windshields on CH2000 (TYA2)
4. 10:44 AM - Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport (R.P.)
5. 10:48 AM - Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport (R.P.)
6. 11:23 AM - Re: throttle - Vernier (Dave Thompson)
7. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: throttle - Vernier (don wentz)
8. 02:02 PM - Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport ()
9. 04:08 PM - Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport (Bill Naumuk)
10. 04:22 PM - Polishing (Bill Naumuk)
11. 04:41 PM - Stripper (Bill Naumuk)
12. 05:23 PM - Re: Stripper (Paul Moore)
13. 05:29 PM - Re: Stripper (JOHN STARN)
14. 05:36 PM - Re: Stripper (George Swinford)
15. 05:55 PM - Re: Stripper (Bill Naumuk)
16. 06:02 PM - Re: Stripper (Randy Bryant)
17. 06:25 PM - Re: Stripper (Chris In Madison)
18. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: throttle - Vernier (Steve Hulland)
19. 06:46 PM - Re: Stripper (ljkyle)
20. 07:11 PM - Re: Cleaning aluminum, aerobatics (Geoff Heap)
21. 08:08 PM - RE : Polishing (Carlos Sa)
22. 08:14 PM - Re: Stripper (Randy Bryant)
23. 08:17 PM - Re: Polishing (Gary Boothe)
24. 08:48 PM - Scratch built Spars (Terry Turnquist)
25. 11:24 PM - Re: Stripper (NYTerminat@AOL.COM)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Sorry for the intrusion list, but I'm looking for a gent I believe is
from Alaska that I spent a little time shopping with at Oshkosh. IF
you're on this list please drop me an E-Mail at mark@can-zacaviation.com
thanks.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List:Changing out the Lexan windshields on CH2000 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Actually, they did come up with a better system. The windshield and side windows
are now plexiglass and are epoxied in. Only the little rear side windows are
now Lexan. Unfortunately they also changed the cabin canopy and I don't think
that the new plexi windows will fit the older canopy. You can ask them. They
do offer an upgrade to the new windows and canopy (along with a lot of other stuff),
but it's not cheap. From their website.....................
"Airframe up-grade Up-grade from the Zenith to the Alarus model Includes: new canopy
and engine cowling, new upholstery, nose gear up-grade, painting of new
cowling and canopy, and general airframe parts up-grade. $19,900.00. This is done
at the AMD factory in Eastman GA and includes parts / labor. It does not include
or cover replacement or fixing of damaged parts or equipment. Cost of
parts for the up-grade is $9,900.00 (does not include paint). "
Just for your information, the "canopy kit" for the CH640, which is identical to
the Alarus canopy, costs $4900 including all windows etc.
Since my CH640 has the newer windows and canopy, I don't know how to replace yours.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60171#60171
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List:Changing out the Lexan windshields on CH2000 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 <tya2@4-fly.net>
Dear Steve,
$20,000 upgrade not including paint is roughly the value of these
aircraft. The windows on the plane have been replaced 3 times already in
9 years. Chris Heinz should have copied Jim Bedes design on the BD
4. Those windows were easily removable and didn't require removal because
he used the right materials in the first place. I was surprised when the
replacement windows arrived as a package of flat plastic bits all bound up
in cardboard. No wonder they don't last... Too many curves out of flat
stock...
Reg
At 06:18 AM 9/7/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>
>Actually, they did come up with a better system. The windshield and side
>windows are now plexiglass and are epoxied in. Only the little rear side
>windows are now Lexan. Unfortunately they also changed the cabin canopy
>and I don't think that the new plexi windows will fit the older canopy.
>You can ask them. They do offer an upgrade to the new windows and canopy
>(along with a lot of other stuff), but it's not cheap. From their
>website.....................
>
>"Airframe up-grade Up-grade from the Zenith to the Alarus model Includes:
>new canopy and engine cowling, new upholstery, nose gear up-grade,
>painting of new cowling and canopy, and general airframe parts up-grade.
>$19,900.00. This is done at the AMD factory in Eastman GA and includes
>parts / labor. It does not include or cover replacement or fixing of
>damaged parts or equipment. Cost of parts for the up-grade is $9,900.00
>(does not include paint). "
>
>Just for your information, the "canopy kit" for the CH640, which is
>identical to the Alarus canopy, costs $4900 including all windows etc.
>
>Since my CH640 has the newer windows and canopy, I don't know how to
>replace yours.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60171#60171
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R.P." <zodie@adelphia.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Hulland
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport
>Rick,
>Nice video. I think it is just fine. Where were you flyin into and out of?
> >What Zodiac was it?
>Do Not Archive
Thanks Steve.
That's Brian Ranch airport in Llano, Calif.
http://airnav.com/airport/CL13 The picture on Airnav was taken from my old
Quicksilver ultralight when I was hangared out there.
The Zodiac is an HD model with a Jabiru 3300.
Rick Pitcher
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| Subject: | Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R.P." <zodie@adelphia.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Trevor Page
>Hey Rick, how did you mount the camera? I've been dying to do the >same and
>I can't figure out a way to mount my DV cam to get decent >shots...
>Trev Page
>C-IDUS 601HD R912
Hi Trev.
I made a simple little mount that attaches to the top of the turtledeck.
I'll take a pic of it next time I'm at the hangar and email it to you.
Rick Pitcher
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| Subject: | RE: throttle - Vernier |
Here's a story that you might consider:
In the late 80's my father, brother & I built a single seat Quickie. We
installed a vernier throttle in it. She came up to speed very fast on the
takeoff roll but at first you really had to be quick with your feet to keep
the nose straight. After three successful flights, my father's friend from
WWII came out to see it. He was a colonel in SAC, flying B52's then, B17's
during WWII. He also had a Navion and a Cub. Due to the fact that he had so
many hours in a variety of airframes, my father allowed the Colonel to fly
the Quickie after a quick briefing. During the briefing, the colonel was
shown that the button on the vernier throttle had to be pushed in order to
move it.
The Colonel taxied out. When he applied full takeoff power, the tail began
to yaw, as usual. He over compensated several times and then tried to pull
the throttle back to idle. He forgot to push the button. In his "panic??" he
jerked the throttle and broke it out of the fiberglass panel. At the same
time, he went off the runway into the grass. One wheel (the mains were on
the wingtips) stuck in the mud, she ground looped and ended up upside down.
He was not hurt. It took us 6-months of work to get her airworthy again.
When she flew again she had a standard throttle control installed in the new
reinforced panel.
The moral to the story:
Vernier throttles are very cool! However, they do not use standard control
input which could cause problems in an emergency.
I'm not condemning vernier throttle controls, just sharing a story so you
can make your own decision.
Note: The enclosed picture was before we installed plackarding.
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
Westminster, CA
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| Subject: | RE: throttle - Vernier |
I had a vernier in my plane for several hundred hours, I liked the easy
adjustment for small changes. It was an issue sometimes during
landings.
When I began flying a lot of formation, it became a real issue, so I
grudgingly converted to std push-pull with the adjustable friction lock.
I have to say that ALL things considered, after several hundred hours of
both configurations in the SAME plane, I would give preference to the
push-pull.
At least my vernier was the type that I could remove a bit of the
mechanism
and =91easily=92 convert to push-pull.
dw
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Thompson
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: throttle - Vernier
Here=92s a story that you might consider:
In the late 80=92s my father, brother & I built a single seat Quickie.
We
installed a vernier throttle in it. She came up to speed very fast on
the
takeoff roll but at first you really had to be quick with your feet to
keep
the nose straight. After three successful flights, my father=92s friend
from
WWII came out to see it. He was a colonel in SAC, flying B52=92s then,
B17=92s
during WWII. He also had a Navion and a Cub. Due to the fact that he had
so
many hours in a variety of airframes, my father allowed the Colonel to
fly
the Quickie after a quick briefing. During the briefing, the colonel was
shown that the button on the vernier throttle had to be pushed in order
to
move it.
The Colonel taxied out. When he applied full takeoff power, the tail
began
to yaw, as usual. He over compensated several times and then tried to
pull
the throttle back to idle. He forgot to push the button. In his
=93panic??=94 he
jerked the throttle and broke it out of the fiberglass panel. At the
same
time, he went off the runway into the grass. One wheel (the mains were
on
the wingtips) stuck in the mud, she ground looped and ended up upside
down.
He was not hurt. It took us 6-months of work to get her airworthy again.
When she flew again she had a standard throttle control installed in the
new
reinforced panel.
The moral to the story:
Vernier throttles are very cool! However, they do not use standard
control
input which could cause problems in an emergency.
I=92m not condemning vernier throttle controls, just sharing a story so
you
can make your own decision.
Note: The enclosed picture was before we installed plackarding.
Dave Thompson
HYPERLINK "mailto:dave.thompson@verizon.net"dave.thompson@verizon.net
Westminster, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
>
> Hi Trev.
> I made a simple little mount that attaches to the top of the turtledeck.
> I'll take a pic of it next time I'm at the hangar and email it to you.
>
> Rick Pitcher
>
Please email the photo to the least so all can see how to mount the camera.
Thanks
Jerry
HDS 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport |
Rick-
Rudder input looked pretty twitchy. Is it that sensitive, or was
that PIO? Gotta remember, I'm a C-172 driver.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: R.P.
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport
I've been trying out a new camera mount on my Zodiac. Here's a video
clip on I put together. I'm not really happy with the quality of the
video, so I'd appreciate anyone who has some tips on getting video from
the digital video camera through the computer and onto Youtube with some
better quality.
Here goes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYX52rNWFXk
Rick Pitcher
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All-
If you decide to polish, do you still have to prep the entire plane,
or just the painted trim sections?
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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All-
Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa!
What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand)
Townville, Pa
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I think her name is Doris but everyone calls her Candy.......
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA?
Bill Naumuk
Do Not Archive, PLEASE!
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Here in Apple Valley she goes by the name of Zelda Za Zipper Picker
Upper.
Little humor guys. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper
All-
Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa!
What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand)
Townville, Pa
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Her name was "Bubbles", wasn't it? I didn't realize she was from Napa.
George
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper
All-
Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa!
What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand)
Townville, Pa
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Forget it. I'm about ready to unsubscribe. Thanks alot.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper
All-
Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa!
What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand)
Townville, Pa
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Yeah... Candy... because she's kinda sticky and leaves a sweet taste in
your mouth! ;-)
Randy
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Moore
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper
I think her name is Doris but everyone calls her Candy.......
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA?
Bill Naumuk
Do Not Archive, PLEASE!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Hi Bill,
>From a reply to your "White Corrosion" post from yesterday:
NAPA carries a Martin-Senour product called "Twin Etch".
Best regards,
Chris
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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60279#60279
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| Subject: | Re: RE: throttle - Vernier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Hulland" <marinegunner@gmail.com>
I use a verneer throttle on a fire truck every day that I work. It is
a great throttle and I am very used to it. However, it is backwards
when compaired to a traditional aircraft push pull throttle with
friction lock. And, it is forever causing a problem because it gets
either loose or stuck and one cannot properly operate engine. This on
a pretty new 2003 fire truck, and it has been happening ever since
truck was purchased. Same thing on most other fire trucks that I have
used with this type throttle. One can almost always fix the throttle,
but would hate to attempt to do so while flying.
My CH 600 has a traditional push-pull with simple friction lock, seems
to always work. I think there is a reason for common aircraft
throttles, they work and work well. I would not have something else on
my airplane.
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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Well, here's my 2 cents worth. I started out using zinc chromate, but
switched to the NAPA self-etching primer. Number one reason...better
adhesion (with same prep). I prep with Scotch-Brite followed by cleaning
with acetone. The zinc chromate is easy to scratch off. The self etching
primer is virtually bullet proof. It really sticks. The NAPA primer is
cheap
and readily available. I'm sure there are better (i.e. more expensive)
alternatives, but any primer should be better than no primer.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper
Forget it. I'm about ready to unsubscribe. Thanks alot.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper
All-
Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa!
What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand)
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning aluminum, aerobatics |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
IMPRESSIVE
do not archive...........Geoff
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Bill, the polished aircraft I have seen are totaly "naked".
There is no prep, only polishing paste and, sometimes wax (I'm guessing).
As for the trim, I presume these days most people use the adhesive type, so no
prep would be
required either.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
--- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> a crit :
> All-
> If you decide to polish, do you still have to prep the entire plane, or just
the painted
> trim sections?
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
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I've used the same stuff since I began my project.. Works great...
I wash my parts with Dawn dishwashing liquid, using scotch brite, then
after it's all scuffed, I use a cloth to finish the washing, dry it off,
and wipe it down with MEK, then spray the 7220 primer on it...
As of late, I've quit using the scotch brite, as that's what the "self
etching" in the primer does... Just make sure the parts are clean; free
of oil and spray away...
Randy
XL - Wings - Plans Only
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: ljkyle
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper
Well, here's my 2 cents worth. I started out using zinc chromate, but
switched to the NAPA self-etching primer. Number one reason...better
adhesion (with same prep). I prep with Scotch-Brite followed by
cleaning
with acetone. The zinc chromate is easy to scratch off. The self
etching
primer is virtually bullet proof. It really sticks. The NAPA primer is
cheap
and readily available. I'm sure there are better (i.e. more expensive)
alternatives, but any primer should be better than no primer.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper
Forget it. I'm about ready to unsubscribe. Thanks alot.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper
All-
Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa!
What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand)
Townville, Pa
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Early model C180's and Beech Bonanza's were a combination of paint and
polished aluminum. Does anyone have any ideas how, or know how, that was
done?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Bill, the polished aircraft I have seen are totaly "naked".
There is no prep, only polishing paste and, sometimes wax (I'm guessing).
As for the trim, I presume these days most people use the adhesive type, so
no prep would be
required either.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
--- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> a crit :
> All-
> If you decide to polish, do you still have to prep the entire plane,
or just the painted
> trim sections?
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Scratch built Spars |
A while back someone asked for a picture of a Spar being scratch built. Here's
on my Grandson is working on:)
Terry Turnquist
601 XL Plans
St. Peters, MO
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NAPA has strippers?
do not archive
In a message dated 9/7/2006 7:42:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
naumuk@alltel.net writes:
All-
Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa!
What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand)
Townville, Pa
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