---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/07/06: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:30 AM - lost address (Zodie Rocket) 2. 06:19 AM - Re: Changing out the Lexan windshields on CH2000 (steveadams) 3. 08:24 AM - Re: Changing out the Lexan windshields on CH2000 (TYA2) 4. 10:44 AM - Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport (R.P.) 5. 10:48 AM - Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport (R.P.) 6. 11:23 AM - Re: throttle - Vernier (Dave Thompson) 7. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: throttle - Vernier (don wentz) 8. 02:02 PM - Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport () 9. 04:08 PM - Re: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport (Bill Naumuk) 10. 04:22 PM - Polishing (Bill Naumuk) 11. 04:41 PM - Stripper (Bill Naumuk) 12. 05:23 PM - Re: Stripper (Paul Moore) 13. 05:29 PM - Re: Stripper (JOHN STARN) 14. 05:36 PM - Re: Stripper (George Swinford) 15. 05:55 PM - Re: Stripper (Bill Naumuk) 16. 06:02 PM - Re: Stripper (Randy Bryant) 17. 06:25 PM - Re: Stripper (Chris In Madison) 18. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: throttle - Vernier (Steve Hulland) 19. 06:46 PM - Re: Stripper (ljkyle) 20. 07:11 PM - Re: Cleaning aluminum, aerobatics (Geoff Heap) 21. 08:08 PM - RE : Polishing (Carlos Sa) 22. 08:14 PM - Re: Stripper (Randy Bryant) 23. 08:17 PM - Re: Polishing (Gary Boothe) 24. 08:48 PM - Scratch built Spars (Terry Turnquist) 25. 11:24 PM - Re: Stripper (NYTerminat@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:36 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: Zenith-List: lost address --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" Sorry for the intrusion list, but I'm looking for a gent I believe is from Alaska that I spent a little time shopping with at Oshkosh. IF you're on this list please drop me an E-Mail at mark@can-zacaviation.com thanks. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List:Changing out the Lexan windshields on CH2000 From: "steveadams" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" Actually, they did come up with a better system. The windshield and side windows are now plexiglass and are epoxied in. Only the little rear side windows are now Lexan. Unfortunately they also changed the cabin canopy and I don't think that the new plexi windows will fit the older canopy. You can ask them. They do offer an upgrade to the new windows and canopy (along with a lot of other stuff), but it's not cheap. From their website..................... "Airframe up-grade Up-grade from the Zenith to the Alarus model Includes: new canopy and engine cowling, new upholstery, nose gear up-grade, painting of new cowling and canopy, and general airframe parts up-grade. $19,900.00. This is done at the AMD factory in Eastman GA and includes parts / labor. It does not include or cover replacement or fixing of damaged parts or equipment. Cost of parts for the up-grade is $9,900.00 (does not include paint). " Just for your information, the "canopy kit" for the CH640, which is identical to the Alarus canopy, costs $4900 including all windows etc. Since my CH640 has the newer windows and canopy, I don't know how to replace yours. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60171#60171 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:50 AM PST US From: TYA2 Subject: Re: Zenith-List:Changing out the Lexan windshields on CH2000 --> Zenith-List message posted by: TYA2 Dear Steve, $20,000 upgrade not including paint is roughly the value of these aircraft. The windows on the plane have been replaced 3 times already in 9 years. Chris Heinz should have copied Jim Bedes design on the BD 4. Those windows were easily removable and didn't require removal because he used the right materials in the first place. I was surprised when the replacement windows arrived as a package of flat plastic bits all bound up in cardboard. No wonder they don't last... Too many curves out of flat stock... Reg At 06:18 AM 9/7/2006 -0700, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" > >Actually, they did come up with a better system. The windshield and side >windows are now plexiglass and are epoxied in. Only the little rear side >windows are now Lexan. Unfortunately they also changed the cabin canopy >and I don't think that the new plexi windows will fit the older canopy. >You can ask them. They do offer an upgrade to the new windows and canopy >(along with a lot of other stuff), but it's not cheap. From their >website..................... > >"Airframe up-grade Up-grade from the Zenith to the Alarus model Includes: >new canopy and engine cowling, new upholstery, nose gear up-grade, >painting of new cowling and canopy, and general airframe parts up-grade. >$19,900.00. This is done at the AMD factory in Eastman GA and includes >parts / labor. It does not include or cover replacement or fixing of >damaged parts or equipment. Cost of parts for the up-grade is $9,900.00 >(does not include paint). " > >Just for your information, the "canopy kit" for the CH640, which is >identical to the Alarus canopy, costs $4900 including all windows etc. > >Since my CH640 has the newer windows and canopy, I don't know how to >replace yours. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60171#60171 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:08 AM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport --> Zenith-List message posted by: "R.P." ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Hulland Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport >Rick, >Nice video. I think it is just fine. Where were you flyin into and out of? > >What Zodiac was it? >Do Not Archive Thanks Steve. That's Brian Ranch airport in Llano, Calif. http://airnav.com/airport/CL13 The picture on Airnav was taken from my old Quicksilver ultralight when I was hangared out there. The Zodiac is an HD model with a Jabiru 3300. Rick Pitcher ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:00 AM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport --> Zenith-List message posted by: "R.P." ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Page >Hey Rick, how did you mount the camera? I've been dying to do the >same and >I can't figure out a way to mount my DV cam to get decent >shots... >Trev Page >C-IDUS 601HD R912 Hi Trev. I made a simple little mount that attaches to the top of the turtledeck. I'll take a pic of it next time I'm at the hangar and email it to you. Rick Pitcher ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:56 AM PST US From: "Dave Thompson" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: throttle - Vernier Here's a story that you might consider: In the late 80's my father, brother & I built a single seat Quickie. We installed a vernier throttle in it. She came up to speed very fast on the takeoff roll but at first you really had to be quick with your feet to keep the nose straight. After three successful flights, my father's friend from WWII came out to see it. He was a colonel in SAC, flying B52's then, B17's during WWII. He also had a Navion and a Cub. Due to the fact that he had so many hours in a variety of airframes, my father allowed the Colonel to fly the Quickie after a quick briefing. During the briefing, the colonel was shown that the button on the vernier throttle had to be pushed in order to move it. The Colonel taxied out. When he applied full takeoff power, the tail began to yaw, as usual. He over compensated several times and then tried to pull the throttle back to idle. He forgot to push the button. In his "panic??" he jerked the throttle and broke it out of the fiberglass panel. At the same time, he went off the runway into the grass. One wheel (the mains were on the wingtips) stuck in the mud, she ground looped and ended up upside down. He was not hurt. It took us 6-months of work to get her airworthy again. When she flew again she had a standard throttle control installed in the new reinforced panel. The moral to the story: Vernier throttles are very cool! However, they do not use standard control input which could cause problems in an emergency. I'm not condemning vernier throttle controls, just sharing a story so you can make your own decision. Note: The enclosed picture was before we installed plackarding. Dave Thompson dave.thompson@verizon.net Westminster, CA ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:01 PM PST US From: "don wentz" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: throttle - Vernier I had a vernier in my plane for several hundred hours, I liked the easy adjustment for small changes. It was an issue sometimes during landings. When I began flying a lot of formation, it became a real issue, so I grudgingly converted to std push-pull with the adjustable friction lock. I have to say that ALL things considered, after several hundred hours of both configurations in the SAME plane, I would give preference to the push-pull. At least my vernier was the type that I could remove a bit of the mechanism and =91easily=92 convert to push-pull. dw _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Thompson Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: RE: throttle - Vernier Here=92s a story that you might consider: In the late 80=92s my father, brother & I built a single seat Quickie. We installed a vernier throttle in it. She came up to speed very fast on the takeoff roll but at first you really had to be quick with your feet to keep the nose straight. After three successful flights, my father=92s friend from WWII came out to see it. He was a colonel in SAC, flying B52=92s then, B17=92s during WWII. He also had a Navion and a Cub. Due to the fact that he had so many hours in a variety of airframes, my father allowed the Colonel to fly the Quickie after a quick briefing. During the briefing, the colonel was shown that the button on the vernier throttle had to be pushed in order to move it. The Colonel taxied out. When he applied full takeoff power, the tail began to yaw, as usual. He over compensated several times and then tried to pull the throttle back to idle. He forgot to push the button. In his =93panic??=94 he jerked the throttle and broke it out of the fiberglass panel. At the same time, he went off the runway into the grass. One wheel (the mains were on the wingtips) stuck in the mud, she ground looped and ended up upside down. He was not hurt. It took us 6-months of work to get her airworthy again. When she flew again she had a standard throttle control installed in the new reinforced panel. The moral to the story: Vernier throttles are very cool! However, they do not use standard control input which could cause problems in an emergency. I=92m not condemning vernier throttle controls, just sharing a story so you can make your own decision. Note: The enclosed picture was before we installed plackarding. Dave Thompson HYPERLINK "mailto:dave.thompson@verizon.net"dave.thompson@verizon.net Westminster, CA -- -- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:05 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > Hi Trev. > I made a simple little mount that attaches to the top of the turtledeck. > I'll take a pic of it next time I'm at the hangar and email it to you. > > Rick Pitcher > Please email the photo to the least so all can see how to mount the camera. Thanks Jerry HDS 912S ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:05 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport Rick- Rudder input looked pretty twitchy. Is it that sensitive, or was that PIO? Gotta remember, I'm a C-172 driver. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: R.P. To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Youtube video of Zodiac at Brian Ranch airport I've been trying out a new camera mount on my Zodiac. Here's a video clip on I put together. I'm not really happy with the quality of the video, so I'd appreciate anyone who has some tips on getting video from the digital video camera through the computer and onto Youtube with some better quality. Here goes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYX52rNWFXk Rick Pitcher ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:24 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Polishing All- If you decide to polish, do you still have to prep the entire plane, or just the painted trim sections? do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:23 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper All- Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa! What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand) Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:21 PM PST US From: "Paul Moore" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper I think her name is Doris but everyone calls her Candy....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA? Bill Naumuk Do Not Archive, PLEASE! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:03 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper Here in Apple Valley she goes by the name of Zelda Za Zipper Picker Upper. Little humor guys. KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper All- Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa! What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand) Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:17 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper Her name was "Bubbles", wasn't it? I didn't realize she was from Napa. George Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper All- Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa! What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand) Townville, Pa ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 9/7/2006 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:15 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper Forget it. I'm about ready to unsubscribe. Thanks alot. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper All- Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa! What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand) Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:39 PM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper Yeah... Candy... because she's kinda sticky and leaves a sweet taste in your mouth! ;-) Randy Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Moore To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper I think her name is Doris but everyone calls her Candy....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA? Bill Naumuk Do Not Archive, PLEASE! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Stripper From: "Chris In Madison" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" Hi Bill, >From a reply to your "White Corrosion" post from yesterday: NAPA carries a Martin-Senour product called "Twin Etch". Best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60279#60279 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:43 PM PST US From: "Steve Hulland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: throttle - Vernier --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Hulland" I use a verneer throttle on a fire truck every day that I work. It is a great throttle and I am very used to it. However, it is backwards when compaired to a traditional aircraft push pull throttle with friction lock. And, it is forever causing a problem because it gets either loose or stuck and one cannot properly operate engine. This on a pretty new 2003 fire truck, and it has been happening ever since truck was purchased. Same thing on most other fire trucks that I have used with this type throttle. One can almost always fix the throttle, but would hate to attempt to do so while flying. My CH 600 has a traditional push-pull with simple friction lock, seems to always work. I think there is a reason for common aircraft throttles, they work and work well. I would not have something else on my airplane. -- Semper Fi, Steven R. Hulland CH 600 Taildragger Amado, AZ This and all other incoming/outgoing email, attachments and replies scanned prior to opening/sending and uses an external firewall to help insure virus free email and attachments. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:33 PM PST US From: "ljkyle" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper Well, here's my 2 cents worth. I started out using zinc chromate, but switched to the NAPA self-etching primer. Number one reason...better adhesion (with same prep). I prep with Scotch-Brite followed by cleaning with acetone. The zinc chromate is easy to scratch off. The self etching primer is virtually bullet proof. It really sticks. The NAPA primer is cheap and readily available. I'm sure there are better (i.e. more expensive) alternatives, but any primer should be better than no primer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper Forget it. I'm about ready to unsubscribe. Thanks alot. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper All- Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa! What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand) Townville, Pa ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:49 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cleaning aluminum, aerobatics From: "Geoff Heap" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" IMPRESSIVE do not archive...........Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60290#60290 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:50 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: RE : Zenith-List: Polishing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Bill, the polished aircraft I have seen are totaly "naked". There is no prep, only polishing paste and, sometimes wax (I'm guessing). As for the trim, I presume these days most people use the adhesive type, so no prep would be required either. Carlos CH601-HD, plans --- Bill Naumuk a crit : > All- > If you decide to polish, do you still have to prep the entire plane, or just the painted > trim sections? > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa __________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:35 PM PST US From: "Randy Bryant" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper I've used the same stuff since I began my project.. Works great... I wash my parts with Dawn dishwashing liquid, using scotch brite, then after it's all scuffed, I use a cloth to finish the washing, dry it off, and wipe it down with MEK, then spray the 7220 primer on it... As of late, I've quit using the scotch brite, as that's what the "self etching" in the primer does... Just make sure the parts are clean; free of oil and spray away... Randy XL - Wings - Plans Only Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: ljkyle To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper Well, here's my 2 cents worth. I started out using zinc chromate, but switched to the NAPA self-etching primer. Number one reason...better adhesion (with same prep). I prep with Scotch-Brite followed by cleaning with acetone. The zinc chromate is easy to scratch off. The self etching primer is virtually bullet proof. It really sticks. The NAPA primer is cheap and readily available. I'm sure there are better (i.e. more expensive) alternatives, but any primer should be better than no primer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper Forget it. I'm about ready to unsubscribe. Thanks alot. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Stripper All- Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa! What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand) Townville, Pa ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 9/6/06 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:17 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Polishing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" Early model C180's and Beech Bonanza's were a combination of paint and polished aluminum. Does anyone have any ideas how, or know how, that was done? Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion Tail done, wings done, working on c-section --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Bill, the polished aircraft I have seen are totaly "naked". There is no prep, only polishing paste and, sometimes wax (I'm guessing). As for the trim, I presume these days most people use the adhesive type, so no prep would be required either. Carlos CH601-HD, plans --- Bill Naumuk a crit : > All- > If you decide to polish, do you still have to prep the entire plane, or just the painted > trim sections? > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa __________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:43 PM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: Zenith-List: Scratch built Spars A while back someone asked for a picture of a Spar being scratch built. Here's on my Grandson is working on:) Terry Turnquist 601 XL Plans St. Peters, MO --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:54 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripper NAPA has strippers? do not archive In a message dated 9/7/2006 7:42:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, naumuk@alltel.net writes: All- Screwed up with my files somewhere. Mea culpa! What was the name of the stripper available from NAPA? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage (Progress in quicksand) Townville, Pa