---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/14/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:32 AM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) (Jay Herron) 2. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) (Dave Ruddiman) 3. 06:15 AM - Re: Jabiru/Zenith 601 Installation Workshop at Quality Sportplan... (LHusky@aol.com) 4. 07:00 AM - Re: Jabiru/Zenith 601 Installation Workshop at Quality Sportplan (lwinger) 5. 12:22 PM - 601 Canopy Covers (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 6. 01:43 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (ron dewees) 7. 02:33 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (LarryMcFarland) 8. 03:35 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 9. 03:50 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 10. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) (Zodie Rocket) 11. 04:24 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (Al Young) 12. 04:37 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (Jack Russell) 13. 05:07 PM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) (Jay Herron) 14. 05:38 PM - Lowrance 2000c (Robert L. Stone) 15. 05:40 PM - Baggage hinge alternative (Michael Valentine) 16. 08:04 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (john H) 17. 08:23 PM - Re: Lowrance 2000c (Rick R) 18. 08:44 PM - Re: Lowrance 2000c (Edward Moody II) 19. 09:13 PM - Re: Lowrance 2000c (Graham Kirby) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:53 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) From: "Jay Herron" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jay Herron" Dave, Jim Frisby has a O320 in his 801, but I don't think he has the constant speed prop. Search the archives for Frisby in case he misses this post. I have a O360 in my 801. It came with a governor and constant speed prop but I sold the prop and bought a wood one from Props Inc. The wood prop is about 15 pounds in weight. The constant speed was around 50 pounds. Other builders suggested that the 801 is slightly nose-heavy to begin with, so I went with wood. I was also having a hard time finding room for the governor. I still have about a month of work to do on my 801 before it is ready to fly. Jay Herron Salem, Ohio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61543#61543 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:02 AM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" Jay, Thanks for the reply. I'm about 99% sure that I'll go with the 0360 because of weight, among other things. I am building my plane without to many frills. I don't want to ad to the complexity of addtional systems and costs on things I probably won't use anyway. The engine prop combination is more a curiosity than anything else. I also found out the engine that I had referred to has been pickled for about 9 years. I think I will probably use an XP360. Haven't thought to much about a prop yet. What are you using? Dave in Salem (Oregon) 801 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Herron" Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:31 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jay Herron" > > Dave, > Jim Frisby has a O320 in his 801, but I don't think he has the constant > speed prop. Search the archives for Frisby in case he misses this post. > > I have a O360 in my 801. It came with a governor and constant speed prop > but I sold the prop and bought a wood one from Props Inc. The wood prop > is about 15 pounds in weight. The constant speed was around 50 pounds. > Other builders suggested that the 801 is slightly nose-heavy to begin > with, so I went with wood. I was also having a hard time finding room for > the governor. > > I still have about a month of work to do on my 801 before it is ready to > fly. > Jay Herron > Salem, Ohio > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61543#61543 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:48 AM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru/Zenith 601 Installation Workshop at Quality Sportplan... I am registered to go to the Corvair version. I am excited and can't wait. I will be taking lots of pictures and any notes I can during the process for those that are putting this engine on the front of your plane. I was down there in may and I expect this to be a great time. Hope to see one or two from the list there as well. Larry Husky Lakeview, OR 601XL / Corvair Building Fuse Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru/Zenith 601 Installation Workshop at Quality Sportplan From: "lwinger" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" I'll be there also. Looking forward to meeting and learning a bunch. Double the notes and pictures for anyone with an interest! Do not archive -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL #6493 from scratch Rudder completed -- drilling stab spars Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61568#61568 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:27 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers Dear Thread Friends, I am looking to buy a canopy cover for my XL. She stays hangered most all the time and any of you all that have visited probably have seen that fine Bart Simpson bed sheet I use to cover the canopy from dust and bugs. I do plan on doing a bit of over night traveling this fall and need a "real" canopy cover. I contacted Bruce's Custom Covers in California and the nice fellow indicated they had sold 58 covers for 601s and his price was $379.00 plus shipping. Further, he said their cover weighs a little over 6 pounds. I figure I don't really need a cover that will withstand meteor showers, hurricanes, tornados. The plane would end up in Kansas with Dorothy and Toto anyway with the cover the only thing holding it together !. Anybody know a lighter, less indestructible and cheaper source for a canopy cover ? Hope to hear from you and best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:17 PM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Hi Bill, I have used a guy in Florida who uses a fabric similar to Tyvec "paper cloth" and he made two covers for the Mooney, which were a lot larger than the 601. I will try to find his name but he lives near Lakeland and is/was connected with aviation. The cost was less than $200 bucks. He rates the lifespan as 2 to 3 years outside. Our's lasted longer. I have shreds of my last one that may have his name on it. Somebody on the list might know his name. I also inherited a cover from a fellow who had the bad luck to be flying his HDS when his motor ate a valve and put him down off field. He was fine but the plane was totaled and he gave me his canopy cover. You are more than welcome to borrow it to see if it fits and send it to a shop that needs a pattern. Ron do not archive JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > Dear Thread Friends, I am looking to buy a canopy cover for my XL. She > stays hangered most all the time and any of you all that have visited > probably have seen that fine Bart Simpson bed sheet I use to cover the > canopy from dust and bugs. I do plan on doing a bit of over night > traveling this fall and need a "real" canopy cover. I contacted > Bruce's Custom Covers in California and the nice fellow indicated they > had sold 58 covers for 601s and his price was $379.00 plus shipping. > Further, he said their cover weighs a little over 6 pounds. I figure I > don't really need a cover that will withstand meteor showers, > hurricanes, tornados. The plane would end up in Kansas with Dorothy > and Toto anyway with the cover the only thing holding it together !. > Anybody know a lighter, less indestructible and cheaper source for a > canopy cover ? Hope to hear from you and best regards, Bill of Georgia > N505WP > 601XL-3300 > do not archive > >* >* > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:51 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Bill, I think the real canopy cover at $379.00 was a bargain. It has a material inside that will protect your acrylic from abrasion, the outside is silver and will repel the ultraviolet rays better than most anything else. The temps stay down because the cover does reflect light well. He puts your n-number on each side of the cover so it won't get legs when you visit another place and the straps that go under the belly have real nice connectors, all of which goes into a rather small bag that will fit just behind the pilots seat without upsetting your CG. The design is a good fitting cover that I find very easy to use even when the plane is to set a few weeks in the hangar with snow blowing around and bird droppings spray wash off it without any damage. It probably does weigh near 6-lbs bag and all but that's not much for what you get nor much of a dent in your payload. I've had mine for about 3 years now and it is preferred to the fuzzy mattress cover that I used during construction of the plane. I'd be an advocate for changing your mind as the canopy cover is a really nice well thought out piece of gear specifically fitting the 601. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/canopycover.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/canopycover1.gif But it's your decision and I have to respect that :-) . Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > Dear Thread Friends, I am looking to buy a canopy cover for my XL. She > stays hangered most all the time and any of you all that have visited > probably have seen that fine Bart Simpson bed sheet I use to cover the > canopy from dust and bugs. I do plan on doing a bit of over night > traveling this fall and need a "real" canopy cover. I contacted > Bruce's Custom Covers in California and the nice fellow indicated they > had sold 58 covers for 601s and his price was $379.00 plus shipping. > Further, he said their cover weighs a little over 6 pounds. I figure I > don't really need a cover that will withstand meteor showers, > hurricanes, tornados. The plane would end up in Kansas with Dorothy > and Toto anyway with the cover the only thing holding it together !. > Anybody know a lighter, less indestructible and cheaper source for a > canopy cover ? Hope to hear from you and best regards, Bill of Georgia > N505WP > 601XL-3300 > do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:18 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers Ron, you are the luckiest guy I know. If I knew a fellow whose plane was bent he would probably want me to loan him some money. You, get a free canopy cover. Must be all those years of clean living. I'll keep looking, Best regards, Bill. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:01 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers Larry, thanks for the info. I'm sure they must make a fine product or they wouldn't sell so many. I was just thinking that for my needs something lighter might be sufficient. In 16 months of flying and near 90 hours, Babe has spent only three nights out of her's or somebody's hanger. Of course, in the next year I hope to change those numbers quite a bit. Best regards, Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:07 PM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" I'm in the same boat, the 801 were building is about a month away and has an 0-360 with a metal prop from Zenith's FWF kit. The constant speed application only increases cruise by about 3 knts and is not worth the 5G's or more in cost. But one thing I can truly say is that this is one huge plane to build. It is only about 15% bigger then the 701 but wow it is incredible how much more of the hanger it fills. Cdngoose -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Herron Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jay Herron" Dave, Jim Frisby has a O320 in his 801, but I don't think he has the constant speed prop. Search the archives for Frisby in case he misses this post. I have a O360 in my 801. It came with a governor and constant speed prop but I sold the prop and bought a wood one from Props Inc. The wood prop is about 15 pounds in weight. The constant speed was around 50 pounds. Other builders suggested that the 801 is slightly nose-heavy to begin with, so I went with wood. I was also having a hard time finding room for the governor. I still have about a month of work to do on my 801 before it is ready to fly. Jay Herron Salem, Ohio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61543#61543 -- 9/13/2006 -- 9/13/2006 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:42 PM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers Bill- I live near Amish country. There is a Amish guy about 8 miles up the road that makes custom covers for boats mostly. I'll drop by and ask him what the cost would be for a light weight cover. I'll get back to you. Repairs to N601AY are complete. Paint is next. Regards, Al ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers Dear Thread Friends, I am looking to buy a canopy cover for my XL. She stays hangered most all the time and any of you all that have visited probably have seen that fine Bart Simpson bed sheet I use to cover the canopy from dust and bugs. I do plan on doing a bit of over night traveling this fall and need a "real" canopy cover. I contacted Bruce's Custom Covers in California and the nice fellow indicated they had sold 58 covers for 601s and his price was $379.00 plus shipping. Further, he said their cover weighs a little over 6 pounds. I figure I don't really need a cover that will withstand meteor showers, hurricanes, tornados. The plane would end up in Kansas with Dorothy and Toto anyway with the cover the only thing holding it together !. Anybody know a lighter, less indestructible and cheaper source for a canopy cover ? Hope to hear from you and best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300 do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:56 PM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers Bill: One of the builders wives at my local airport has made several covers for experimentals. She made one for their XL and I asked her to make one for ours. It is only made of a lightweight material and is not waterproof but only cost $75 and she did an outstanding job. She said she would make more if you are interested I will get her number for you. Jack in Los Osos Ca JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > Dear Thread Friends, I am looking to buy a canopy cover for my XL. She > stays hangered most all the time and any of you all that have visited > probably have seen that fine Bart Simpson bed sheet I use to cover the > canopy from dust and bugs. I do plan on doing a bit of over night > traveling this fall and need a "real" canopy cover. I contacted > Bruce's Custom Covers in California and the nice fellow indicated they > had sold 58 covers for 601s and his price was $379.00 plus shipping. > Further, he said their cover weighs a little over 6 pounds. I figure I > don't really need a cover that will withstand meteor showers, > hurricanes, tornados. The plane would end up in Kansas with Dorothy > and Toto anyway with the cover the only thing holding it together !. > Anybody know a lighter, less indestructible and cheaper source for a > canopy cover ? Hope to hear from you and best regards, Bill of Georgia > N505WP > 601XL-3300 > do not archive Jack Russell -Clovis CA 601 XL Jabiru 3300 Progress update at: http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:48 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) From: "Jay Herron" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jay Herron" Dave, The prop that I have mounted on my 0360 is a 72x46 made from hard maple with fiberglass tips and leading edge protection. Cost was $995 from Props Inc. Jay Herron Salem, Ohio CH801 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61696#61696 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:55 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Lowrance 2000c Members, I just got delivery of a new Lowrance 2000c yesterday and so far I have only been able to figure out how to find my position on the ground. I seem to remember someone on the net said he has one of these and loves it. Right now I hate mine because I cant figure out how to program it to go from one airport to another. What I would like and very much appreciate is someone who owns one of these little monsters provide me with step by step (being careful not to miss a step) instruction on which buttons to push to go from Skylark Field, Killeen, Tx to Enid Regional Airport, Enid, Oklahoma. For those of you who don't know about this web site, you can get the three digit code for all US Airports. Here is the URL http://www.airnav.com/airports/ Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:09 PM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Zenith-List: Baggage hinge alternative --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Valentine" I was wondering if anyone else has tried this cabinet hinge idea (found on CH601.org) that Roger Parnow used as an alternative to the piano hinge on the baggage lockers. If you gave it a try, how did it work? (I am not completely happy with the fit it looks like I will get with my piano hinge - just debating alternatives.) http://www.ch601.org/resources/wing%20Lockers/wing_lockers.htm Thanks, Michael Valentine Contoocook, NH ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:54 PM PST US From: "john H" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" Hey Jack I would be interested in the canopy cover also. I have a 601HD. Do you have any pics you could post. Thanks John >From: Jack Russell >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:35:46 -0700 (PDT) > > > Bill: One of the builders wives at my local airport has made several >covers for experimentals. She made one for their XL and I asked her to make >one for ours. It is only made of a lightweight material and is not >waterproof but only cost $75 and she did an outstanding job. She said she >would make more if you are interested I will get her number for you. Jack >in Los Osos Ca > >JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Thread Friends, I am looking to buy a canopy cover for my XL. She > > stays hangered most all the time and any of you all that have visited > > probably have seen that fine Bart Simpson bed sheet I use to cover the > > canopy from dust and bugs. I do plan on doing a bit of over night > > traveling this fall and need a "real" canopy cover. I contacted > > Bruce's Custom Covers in California and the nice fellow indicated they > > had sold 58 covers for 601s and his price was $379.00 plus shipping. > > Further, he said their cover weighs a little over 6 pounds. I figure I > > don't really need a cover that will withstand meteor showers, > > hurricanes, tornados. The plane would end up in Kansas with Dorothy > > and Toto anyway with the cover the only thing holding it together !. > > Anybody know a lighter, less indestructible and cheaper source for a > > canopy cover ? Hope to hear from you and best regards, Bill of Georgia > > N505WP > > 601XL-3300 > > do not archive > > >Jack Russell -Clovis CA >601 XL Jabiru 3300 > Progress update at: >http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:26 PM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Lowrance 2000c Bob, Piece of cake. I'm away from home now but get in the manual and go to "plan a route". There you can name your path and enter those identifiers as your way points.....when I get some Saturday you can call me if you like and we'll step through it...... "Robert L. Stone" wrote: Members, I just got delivery of a new Lowrance 2000c yesterday and so far I have only been able to figure out how to find my position on the ground. I seem to remember someone on the net said he has one of these and loves it. Right now I hate mine because I cant figure out how to program it to go from one airport to another. What I would like and very much appreciate is someone who owns one of these little monsters provide me with step by step (being careful not to miss a step) instruction on which buttons to push to go from Skylark Field, Killeen, Tx to Enid Regional Airport, Enid, Oklahoma. For those of you who don't know about this web site, you can get the three digit code for all US Airports. Here is the URL http://www.airnav.com/airports/ Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL Rick Sharpsburg, GA. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:33 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Lowrance 2000c Hi Bob, The guy who loves his 2000C was (and is) me. It's not really all that tough if you take a little time to read the manual. For instance, when you are at your home strip and turn it on, it will "find itself" in about 2 - 3 minutes. When the airplane icon quits flashing, it has found its location (and, of course, yours as well unles you wandered away from the plane). To get a course to any destination, press the FIND button then use the arrow buttons to enter the designator code for the destination airport and select GO TO. Voila! You will return to the map screen of your present location with a nice red line to follow to the destination. Read the instructions.... you will find out how to display useful data on the map screen, such as distance to your destination, bearing to it, ground speed, ALT, ETE at your present speed and ground track, and even a nifty CDI graphic. You can choose up to eight data windows to display at the bottom of the map screen. On the other hand, if you really don't want to spend time reading the manual, you might want to return it...... there is s learning curve to deal with. Ed Moody II ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Stone To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:37 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Lowrance 2000c Members, I just got delivery of a new Lowrance 2000c yesterday and so far I have only been able to figure out how to find my position on the ground. I seem to remember someone on the net said he has one of these and loves it. Right now I hate mine because I cant figure out how to program it to go from one airport to another. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:17 PM PST US From: "Graham Kirby" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Lowrance 2000c Bob, You may already know this but Lowrance have an emulator for the 2000c that you can run on a PC. Its available at: http://www.lowrance.com/Software/PCSoftware/Install/AirMap2000C/AirMap200 0C_ demo.asp Looks like a handy way to explore the features. Graham Kirby 601HD -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Lowrance 2000c Members, I just got delivery of a new Lowrance 2000c yesterday and so far I have only been able to figure out how to find my position on the ground.