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1. 02:56 AM - Re: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know you're out there) (Larry Landucci)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) (n801bh@netzero.com)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know y (Chris In Madison)
4. 06:33 AM - 601XL Wing Spars (Wade Jones)
5. 08:00 AM - Re: Lowrance 2000c (Robert L. Stone)
6. 09:10 AM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (Tim Juhl)
7. 09:27 AM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
8. 09:29 AM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
9. 09:32 AM - Snow (LHusky@aol.com)
10. 09:34 AM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) (Jay Herron)
11. 09:35 AM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (lgingell)
12. 09:37 AM - Re: Lowrance 2000c (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
13. 11:56 AM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (Al Young)
14. 03:20 PM - Re: Snow (Bill Naumuk)
15. 05:48 PM - Re: 601XL Wing Spars (Ron Lendon)
16. 06:57 PM - RE : Re: 601XL Wing Spars (Carlos Sa)
17. 08:01 PM - Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate (Dave VanLanen)
18. 08:07 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (Jim Weston)
19. 08:52 PM - RE : Re: 601XL Wing Spars (Ron Lendon)
20. 09:11 PM - Re: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate (Paul Mulwitz)
21. 09:47 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (Jack Russell)
22. 11:22 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders |
(I know you're out there)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
I have an O-360 Lycoming in my 801 with a metal cruise prop supplied by
Zenith and the aircraft is certainly NOT nose heavy as apparently some
801 builders claim.
In fact, if I had to do it over again I would probably put the battery
on the firewall rather than under the seat to get more weight in the
front end.
My empty CG is 14.8 in (allowable range is between 12.8 and 22.4 in),
and I have the shorter horizontal tail. My empty weight is 1310 lbs (I
have the extended range fuel tanks)
It is not a big deal but with an empty CG closer to the forward limit
you would have a greater latitude in loading profiles. As it is, when I
start to load the back seat I sometimes will reach the aft CG limit
before I reach gross weight.
Larry Landucci -- N801LL
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) |
My initial gut feeling is you are underpropped by a large amount. If not
hing else you need a larger diameter to send the prop blast across the t
ail feathers to make them work at lower airspeeds. 46" pitch will let yo
u accelerate great on the take off roll but top speed will suffer. of co
urse when I say top speed and Zenith 801 in the same sentence is pretty
funny. <G>Let us know how it works out...
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Jay Herron" <jay@agstore.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jay Herron" <jay@agstore.net>
Dave,
The prop that I have mounted on my 0360 is a 72x46 made from hard maple
with fiberglass tips and leading edge protection. Cost was $995 from Pr
ops Inc.
Jay Herron
Salem, Ohio
CH801 95% complete
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t. If nothing else you need a larger diameter to send the prop blas
t across the tail feathers to make them work at lower airspeeds. 46" pit
ch will let you accelerate great on the take off roll but top speed will
suffer. of course when I say top speed and Zenith 801 in the same
sentence is pretty funny. <G>Let us know how it works out...
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Hi Larry,
Please forgive me if this is a silly question, but is that 1310 lb. empty weight
with full fuel, empty or somewhere in between? It's a lot higher than the stated
1150 lbs. empty weight on their spec sheet. It wouldn't surprise me if
their specfied empty weights were on the light side for marketing purposes, though.
I remember you said you built yours a little heavy, but I didn't realize it was
that much heavier. It's still plenty for two large people to fly with plenty
of cargo, however :-)
Best regards,
Chris
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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI
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| Subject: | 601XL Wing Spars |
Hello group ,I thank you all for the responses I received when I first
wrote .I received my first AL. order from ASC. on July 26th 2006 .Since
that time I have built the rudder, horz. stab.,Ribs for flaps ,elevator,
ailerons .Both front and rear wing ribs ,center section is built (not
riveted yet) , all the main spars components are cut and ready for
drilling .Dave Clay from Temple Texas has been a great help ,he has many
good ideas in this construction .I am ready to drill the wing spar parts
together today .Do any of you scratch builders have any suggestions how
to do this that may help me . Thank you Wade Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Lowrance 2000c |
Rick,
Thanks for the response and information. I will call you tomorrow,
Saturday but you didn't include your phone number. When you send your
phone number, include the best time to call.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick R
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Lowrance 2000c
Bob,
Piece of cake. I'm away from home now but get in the manual and go to
"plan a route". There you can name your path and enter those
identifiers as your way points.....when I get some Saturday you can call
me if you like and we'll step through it......
"Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
Members,
I just got delivery of a new Lowrance 2000c yesterday and so
far I have only been able to figure out how to find my position on the
ground. I seem to remember someone on the net said he has one of these
and loves it. Right now I hate mine because I cant figure out how to
program it to go from one airport to another. What I would like and
very much appreciate is someone who owns one of these little monsters
provide me with step by step (being careful not to miss a step)
instruction on which buttons to push to go from Skylark Field, Killeen,
Tx to Enid Regional Airport, Enid, Oklahoma.
For those of you who don't know about this web site, you can
get the three digit code for all US Airports. Here is the URL
http://www.airnav.com/airports/
Bob Stone,
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Covers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
I'm not to the point that I need a cover yet but will be buying one in the future.
I'll be interested to see what you come up with. The best material I ever
saw came from Airtex but I don't believe they are making windshield / canopy
covers anymore.
>From my experience with other aircraft I have a few comments.
1.) You want a tight fitting, tight weave material that will not let any dust
in and will not balloon or whip around in the wind. To do otherwise might result
in damage to the plastic. Waterproofing is not absolutely necessary but water
resistance is a good idea....also, try to find a material that will not shrink
when wet.
2.) Pay careful attention to the material that actually comes in contact with the
canopy.....it should not scratch the plastic nor hold dust or other abrasives.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Working on Flaps and Ailerons
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Covers |
Al, thanks. How long til we see a report on flying ? My offer for flight time
is still open to you. You would be welcome to stay with my Wife and I so
other than travel and buying beer the expense would be minimal. Best regards, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Covers |
Jack, that sounds like just what I'm looking for. I would really appreciate
you putting me in touch with this fine lady. My home phone is 478-994-9196,
work is 478-827-0236. Thanks and best regards, Bill
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Well, I went out to do a little work on my fuselage and it started snowing.
I can't believe it is snowing this early in the year. I rushed to get my
fuse parts back into my garage since I had taken them out to do a little work
on my wife's truck. I was using air conditioning two days ago and now I have
to find a heater. It is going to get down to 29 tonight. OUCH!!!
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
601XL / Corvair
Building Fuse
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jay Herron" <jay@agstore.net>
Ben,
You are probably right about being underpropped for top speed. But as you know
if I was looking for top cruise speed, I wouldn't be building an 801. My intention
is for fast acceleration on take off and leisurely flying. If this prop
doesn't work out, I'll swap in another. I'll post the results after I do the
test phase.
Thanks,
Jay Herron
801
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Covers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
I'm borrowing a KennonCovers.com cover (thanks Roy), and thinking of either buying
one or making my own from the pattern.
The Kennon is nice, but heavy also. They are $350/$425 (deluxe).
I have a neighbour who made a *very* light cover from rip-stop nylon. I may do
that for the occasional overnighter.
However.....if someone knows a good source and has a picture (Jack sounds like
he's on to something!) I'd be interested too.
Cheers,
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | Re: Lowrance 2000c |
Bob, I received my 2kc a couple weeks ago and it is a bit difficult to start
off. That and the tech guy at the plant in Tulsa was lacking somewhat. I
recommend you purchase the CD that teaches step by step near everything you are
asking. I needed mine and I'm still learning from it. The factory tech couldn't
tell me how to get from the green terrain screen to the yellow nav screen shown
on the box. Working with it I figured out you could turn off Terrain
Awareness to switch back to the yellow. I still have questions, but the CD is a
good
helper. I bought mine from Marv Golden in Cal. Best regards and good luck, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Covers |
Bill- I went to Arthur IL this AM and talked to the Amish guy I had
mentioned. I took a line drawing of a 601xl with me and described what
you are looking for. He showed me some waterproof material that is
pretty light, with a cotton like backside which would help keep the
canopy from getting scratched. A fitted cover with adjustable 1 inch
straps and plastic connectors that would go under the fuselage, he
estimates the cost to be between $150-$200. This would include a small
matching bag to store the cover in. I told him he could use my 601xl
as a pattern maker. Let me know if you want me to pursue this further.
Thanks much for the offer of flight time and lodging. That is very kind
of you. I cannot go anywhere now with my wife so ill. I really
appreciate your offer tho. I hope to have my plane flying within a few
weeks. depends now on my painting buddy getting the time to help.
Regards,
Al
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----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers
Al, thanks. How long til we see a report on flying ? My offer for
flight time is still open to you. You would be welcome to stay with my
Wife and I so other than travel and buying beer the expense would be
minimal. Best regards, Bill
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Larry-
Don't remind me!!! I had to stop work on the project to winterize.
We've had snow as early as the last week of September, but you beat
that.
I empathize, sympatize, whateverize. People in the South have no
idea what it's like to spend half the year preparing for winter. (Unless
you're snowbirds that moved) And don't forget our Canadian friends-
their South is our North!
Got your wood in yet?
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: LHusky@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Snow
Well, I went out to do a little work on my fuselage and it started
snowing. I can't believe it is snowing this early in the year. I
rushed to get my fuse parts back into my garage since I had taken them
out to do a little work on my wife's truck. I was using air
conditioning two days ago and now I have to find a heater. It is going
to get down to 29 tonight. OUCH!!!
Larry Husky
Lakeview, OR
601XL / Corvair
Building Fuse
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Wing Spars |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Wade,
I am heading in the same direction as you. One Idea I had was to tram (square
up) my drill press spindle to the table top. What I mean here is to invert the
base so the spindle can reach the table top and move the spar along the table
while drilling. That looks like the easiest way to keep it supported while
drilling.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Wing Spars |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
What??
(My spars are done, but I have to know.)
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
--- Ron Lendon <rlendon@comcast.net> a crit :
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
> ... What I mean here is to invert the base so the spindle can
> reach the table top and move the spar along the table while drilling. ...
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| Subject: | Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate |
I was going to order a quart of reducer from ACS for the zinc chromate
primer I purchased. However I was surprised to learn that although the
price is $9.70, the total cost of shipping, with the hazmat surcharge, is
$41. That's a four-fold increase in cost just to get it here! Does anyone
know of a cheaper way to acquire this product? I live in Madison, WI.
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
601XL - stabilizer
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Covers |
Bill...I don't remember what they charged me for it, but I worked with
Kennon Sunscreens (makers of professional aircraft covers) several years
ago. I got them the pattern from another manufacture and they made me a
very nice cover. I would think that they would still have the pattern.
It is liable to be kind of pricey though.
Good Luck,
Jim Weston
Concord, Ga.
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers
Dear Thread Friends, I am looking to buy a canopy cover for my XL. She
stays hangered most all the time and any of you all that have visited
probably have seen that fine Bart Simpson bed sheet I use to cover the
canopy from dust and bugs. I do plan on doing a bit of over night
traveling this fall and need a "real" canopy cover. I contacted Bruce's
Custom Covers in California and the nice fellow indicated they had sold
58 covers for 601s and his price was $379.00 plus shipping. Further, he
said their cover weighs a little over 6 pounds. I figure I don't really
need a cover that will withstand meteor showers, hurricanes, tornados.
The plane would end up in Kansas with Dorothy and Toto anyway with the
cover the only thing holding it together !. Anybody know a lighter,
less indestructible and cheaper source for a canopy cover ? Hope to hear
from you and best regards, Bill of Georgia
N505WP
601XL-3300
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| Subject: | Re: RE : Re: 601XL Wing Spars |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
I'll send a picture up when I get it set up. All should be come clear then.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate |
Hi Dave,
I just made a trip to my local "Automotive" paint store. This is a
different retail location from the paint stores that sell house
paint. They offered me some good primer to use instead of the Zinc
Chromate on steel - some sort of red oxide primer. They also have
all the stuff to paint aluminum including alumiprep, allodine,
self-etching primer (for cabin interior use), polyurethane top coat
in spray cans for interior use, epoxy primer, and polyurethane top
coat which can be configured as a single coat or base coat with clear
top coat.
The guy there also convinced me these materials are a little
hazardous but easy to work with so long as I use a little common
sense. He also said the total cost for materials (and maybe a mask?)
to paint my plane would run around $500. This was good news since I
have heard of a guy around here who paid $7,000 to get his RV-9A painted.
Of course, all of these materials are available locally and with no
wait or hazmat shipping charges. I will have to pay sales tax.
You may have such a store in your area too. If you have problems
finding it, perhaps you can talk to whoever does auto painting and
ask where they get their materials.
Best regards,
Paul
At 08:00 PM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
>I was going to order a quart of reducer from ACS for the zinc
>chromate primer I purchased. However I was surprised to learn that
>although the price is $9.70, the total cost of shipping, with the
>hazmat surcharge, is $41. That's a four-fold increase in cost just
>to get it here! Does anyone know of a cheaper way to acquire this
>product? I live in Madison, WI.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dave Van Lanen
>
>601XL - stabilizer
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Covers |
I posted a couple of pics on my webpage. http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn4.html
The contact info for Marcie will follow later.
Jack. Remember that my page is a cheapo and you can't all look at once.
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JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
Jack, that sounds like just what I'm looking for. I would really appreciate you
putting me in touch with this fine lady. My home phone is 478-994-9196, work
is 478-827-0236. Thanks and best regards, Bill
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Covers |
Hello Bill,=0A=0AOne thing to consider very important in any canopy cover,
is not the price directly, but the type of material that is touching the ca
nopy, is important to be sure that will not scratch it with the normal mo
vememt by the wind... =0A=0AI still have no experience with canopy covers,
but I have seen some airplane windshields replaced, because of seroius scra
tches by the cover (probably with some dust), looked like scratched with
sand paper.=0A=0AWe are planning to install instead of a canopy cover in ou
r 601 XL (once is finished), some kind of instrument and seat cover (ins
ide the canopy), mostly to hide what is inside... we now use converted ca
r shades to cover our 701 canopy from the inside... =0A=0ASaludos=0AGary Go
wer.=0Aflying from Chapala, Mexico.=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom
: "JAPhillipsGA@aol.com" <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics
.com=0ASent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:19:56 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List
: 601 Canopy Covers=0A=0ADear Thread Friends, I am looking to buy a canopy
cover for my XL. She stays hangered most all the time and any of you all th
at have visited probably have seen that fine Bart Simpson bed sheet I use t
o cover the canopy from dust and bugs. I do plan on doing a bit of over nig
ht traveling this fall and need a "real" canopy cover. I contacted Bruce's
Custom Covers in California and the nice fellow indicated they had sold 58
covers for 601s and his price was $379.00 plus shipping. Further, he said t
heir cover weighs a little over 6 pounds. I figure I don't really need a co
ver that will withstand meteor showers, hurricanes, tornados. The plane wou
ld end up in Kansas with Dorothy and Toto anyway with the cover the only th
ing holding it together !. Anybody know a lighter, less indestructible and
cheaper source for a canopy cover ? Hope to hear from you and best regards
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