---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/16/06: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:15 AM - Re: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate (Jay Herron) 2. 06:48 AM - Re: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate (David Mikesell) 3. 08:59 AM - Marcie's canopy covers email address (Jack Russell) 4. 09:58 AM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know y (Larry Landucci) 5. 09:58 AM - Canopy covers (Robert L. Stone) 6. 10:56 AM - Re: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate (Edward Moody II) 7. 11:26 AM - Re: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate (Chris In Madison) 8. 12:00 PM - Re: Snow (Edward Moody II) 9. 01:42 PM - Re: Canopy covers (fluff) (J2j3h4@aol.com) 10. 02:06 PM - 0-320 for sale (J2j3h4@aol.com) 11. 02:14 PM - speed range for flaps (Randy) 12. 02:18 PM - Re: Snow (Jari Kaija) 13. 02:22 PM - BFR in HDS ? (601corvair) 14. 02:30 PM - Re: Snow (Jerry Latimer) 15. 02:56 PM - Re: speed range for flaps (jetboy) 16. 03:20 PM - Re: Canopy covers (Phil Maxson) 17. 04:59 PM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know y (n801bh@netzero.com) 18. 05:01 PM - Re: Snow (n801bh@netzero.com) 19. 05:21 PM - Re: speed range for flaps (Tim Juhl) 20. 05:40 PM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know (Chris In Madison) 21. 05:40 PM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know y (Chris In Madison) 22. 06:11 PM - Re: speed range for flaps (Bryan Martin) 23. 07:15 PM - Re: Canopy covers (Robert L. Stone) 24. 07:28 PM - Re: Snow (Bill Naumuk) 25. 07:32 PM - Re: Snow (Bill Naumuk) 26. 07:46 PM - Re: Snow (Bill Naumuk) 27. 09:35 PM - 701 Upper Elevator Horn (Ryan Vechinski) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:16 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate From: "Jay Herron" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jay Herron" Dave, I purchased a case of Tempo zinc chromate aerosol cans from Skygeek a couple years ago for my 801. They had the best price at the time and did not charge hazmat. I see they now have a generic zinc chromate for less money than the Tempo. Their website now mentions a hazmat charge on the Tempo but not on the generic. The hazmat charge did not show up on the order total when I put in a pretend order this morning: $9.90 for 2 cans plus $7.43 shipping = $17.33 You might call them first to confirm that there is no hazmat charge. They have yellow and green. Here is a link to the green: http://www.skygeek.com/a7-6889a.html Jay Herron Salem, Ohio 801 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61932#61932 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:46 AM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate Cost of Reducer For Zinc ChromateYou can find it at some marine stores/boating shops. Many carry zinc chromate primer. David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave VanLanen To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate I was going to order a quart of reducer from ACS for the zinc chromate primer I purchased. However I was surprised to learn that although the price is $9.70, the total cost of shipping, with the hazmat surcharge, is $41. That's a four-fold increase in cost just to get it here! Does anyone know of a cheaper way to acquire this product? I live in Madison, WI. Thanks, Dave Van Lanen 601XL - stabilizer ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:03 AM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Zenith-List: Marcie's canopy covers email address FYI: The titan dealer in Fresno CA is handling all requests for Marcie's canopy covers. Contact Chuck Riley for info: riley.nancy@comcast.net Jack Russell wrote: I posted a couple of pics on my webpage. http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn4.html The contact info for Marcie will follow later. Jack. Remember that my page is a cheapo and you can't all look at once. do not archive JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: Jack, that sounds like just what I'm looking for. I would really appreciate you putting me in touch with this fine lady. My home phone is 478-994-9196, work is 478-827-0236. Thanks and best regards, Bill Jack Russell -Clovis CA 601 XL Jabiru 3300 Progress update at: http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know y From: Larry Landucci --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci The empty weight (1310 lb) that I quoted for my 801 is one commonly defined as the weight of the aircraft including unusable fuel (about 4-6 gal), and full oil (12 qts). The empty weight of the Zenith factory 801 is reasonable considering that they have only two fuel tanks, no soundproofing/thermal insulation surrounding the entire interior of the cabin as I do, and a lot simpler (and lighter) instrument panel. The one-inch thick closed-cell foam insulation from Wicks or Spruce is quite heavy. In fact, in the forward floor I have a two inch layer underneath a 1/8 inch masonite sheet and carpet over that. I did that because my rubber fuel lines are routed underneath the "false" floor through rigid PVC tubing on their way to my Andair fuel selector on a center panel (an additional extra weight). I also installed additional aluminum angles (diagonally) on both the top and bottom rear fuselage to minimize "oil canning" during flight and glued random scrap pieces of the 1" foam to the sides of the rear fuselage as well to accomplish the same thing. I have about 160 hours on my 801 and so far have not yet heard any sounds due to flexing of the aluminum skins ("oil canning"). So, with all this I think an extra 160 lbs doesn't seem too bad. Larry Landucci -- N801LL ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:25 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy covers Members, There is no point or advantage in having a custom fitted cover made for your aircraft. A cotton blanket and a silver 10' X 12' tarp with grommets that you can tie 1/4" nylon rope will work just as well as an expensive custom cover. Also if you have a problem as I did when I was living in California with birds thinking your airplane is a toilet for their use, do the following. Get a small piece rabbit skin with the hair still on it and cut it out so it looks like four legs and a head. Put two eyes on the head and glue a piece of Velcro on the bottom side of it. Glue a piece of Velcro on the turtle deck of your aircraft and you will not have any more birds sitting on your airplane and taking a dump. The idea is not really new, farmers have been using scarecrows for years to protect their crops. The rabbit skin is the same principal and it works Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:03 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate Cost of Reducer For Zinc ChromateI'm not an industrial paint tech wizard (someone else on the list is one but I don't remember who he is) but I would try buying Laquer Thinner by the gallon at the local paint store, Home Depot, or Lowes etc. It will disolve almost anything other than glass or titanium and flashed off for a quick drying time. It does not etch aluminum for you so you should wash the part, use some sort of etcher (Alumaprep) then brush or spray it on. Hope that helps, Ed Moody II ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave VanLanen To: zenith-list@matronics.com I was going to order a quart of reducer from ACS for the zinc chromate primer I purchased. However I was surprised to learn that although the price is $9.70, the total cost of shipping, with the hazmat surcharge, is $41. That's a four-fold increase in cost just to get it here! Does anyone know of a cheaper way to acquire this product? I live in Madison, WI. Thanks, Dave Van Lanen ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cost of Reducer For Zinc Chromate From: "Chris In Madison" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" Hi Dave, To tail onto Paul's comment, there's an auto paint store on Watts Road across from Woodman's on the west side. Maybe there's a chance they'd have what you're after. Best regards, Chris (who knows nothing about paint) -------- Chris Owens Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61962#61962 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:14 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Pussies! I have pussies on my team! I spent three years in the USAF at Malmstrom AFB, Great Falls, Montana. Hell, I elk hunted the Gallatin herd at 41degrees below zero, for crying out loud! This morning my backyard felt like a sauna at 8AM but that's the breaks of living in the soutwest LA jungle. At least we haven't had a hurricane come ashore this year (yet). If you get too frozen to hold out, you can come down to Louisiana and I'll put you up in the camper till you thaw out, okay? But you gotta debur and prime parts while you're here. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Larry- Don't remind me!!! I had to stop work on the project to winterize. We've had snow as early as the last week of September, but you beat that. I empathize, sympatize, whateverize. People in the South have no idea what it's like to spend half the year preparing for winter. (Unless you're snowbirds that moved) And don't forget our Canadian friends- their South is our North! Got your wood in yet? do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: LHusky@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Snow Well, I went out to do a little work on my fuselage and it started snowing. I can't believe it is snowing this early in the year. I rushed to get my fuse parts back into my garage since I had taken them out to do a little work on my wife's truck. I was using air conditioning two days ago and now I have to find a heater. It is going to get down to 29 tonight. OUCH!!! Larry Husky Lakeview, OR 601XL / Corvair Building Fuse Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:38 PM PST US From: J2j3h4@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy covers (fluff) Gee, I bet a dead cat would work even better. Or even a live one if you Velcro'd him in place. (Sorry - I couldn't resist. I really do like cats - all animals for that matter - but there is a funny book called "100 uses for a dead cat" and this sounded like one more.) Jim Do not archive In a message dated 9/16/2006 12:00:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rstone4@hot.rr.com writes: Members, There is no point or advantage in having a custom fitted cover made for your aircraft. A cotton blanket and a silver 10' X 12' tarp with grommets that you can tie 1/4" nylon rope will work just as well as an expensive custom cover. Also if you have a problem as I did when I was living in California with birds thinking your airplane is a toilet for their use, do the following. Get a small piece rabbit skin with the hair still on it and cut it out so it looks like four legs and a head. Put two eyes on the head and glue a piece of Velcro on the bottom side of it. Glue a piece of Velcro on the turtle deck of your aircraft and you will not have any more birds sitting on your airplane and taking a dump. The idea is not really new, farmers have been using scarecrows for years to protect their crops. The rabbit skin is the same principal and it works Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:33 PM PST US From: J2j3h4@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 0-320 for sale Would the person that emailed me about the 0-320 that I have for sale please write again or call me? I erased your email by mistake. Jim Hasper 615-483-0306 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:30 PM PST US From: "Randy" Subject: Zenith-List: speed range for flaps This question is for people that have built, or are building, 601xl's. I was looking at Zenith's website for the speed range for operating the flaps, but could not find it. Does anyone know what the speed range is for the flaps? Thanks for your help, Randy Ferri 601xl Jab. 3300 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:25 PM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow > Pussies! ....41degrees Are you talking about fahrenheits? Pussie! :-) At normal winter day, we have minus 35 degrees celsius easily. Do you know, what we do then? Personally, I heat my outdoor bathtub to 36 degrees celsius, going to sauna, where is about 80-110 degrees celsius. It's very dreamfull to take GOOD sauna session (about 30min to 1 hour) and then go to outside to bath, where only stars and moon shines. Pussies! :-) ---------------------------------- http://www.jarikaija.com http://www.project-ch701.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:16 PM PST US From: 601corvair Subject: Zenith-List: BFR in HDS ? Does anyone know where I can get a BFR in an HDS on the East Coast? I dont want to solo the airplane, so I really never need to be PIC. So does anyone know a CFI with a HDS? I can be reached off list at: phartig@mindspring.com or airvari601@yahoo.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:45 PM PST US From: "Jerry Latimer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Snow Isn't -40 C equal to -40 F? It's 94 F and bright sunshine here in Phoenix. Jerry _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jari Kaija Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow > Pussies! ....41degrees Are you talking about fahrenheits? Pussie! :-) At normal winter day, we have minus 35 degrees celsius easily. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:16 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: speed range for flaps From: "jetboy" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jetboy" Please add CH701 rev-4 flaps speed range to the question. When the 701 was changed to 1100lbs revision the max flap setting was changed to 16 deg. I have been unable to find a revised flight manual or documentation covering this change Ralph CH701 / 2200a -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61994#61994 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:07 PM PST US From: "Phil Maxson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canopy covers Please don't take offense with the following comments. It's hard to believ e, but on occasion, people on this list take my comments the wrong way :-) I admire the frugal nature of your suggestion. I saw the post many months ago, about the blanket and tarp idea, and also a "custom cover" using a table cloth with a soft interior surface. The reas on I didn't go with this option is I thought it would look like a tarp and a blanket! Or a tablecloth strapped to my plane! I didn't like the look o f it. SO, I went with the a custom, color matched cover from Bruce's Custo m Covers. He already had the template for the XL and it looks beautiful. I liked it so much I went back for a prop/spinner cover. I liked the idea about the rabbit skin.Phil Maxson601XL/CorvairNorthwest Ne w Jersey From: rstone4@hot.rr.comTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: Canopy coversDate: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:57:13 -0500 Members, There is no point or advantage in having a custom fitted cover made fo r your aircraft. A cotton blanket and a silver 10' X 12' tarp with grommet s that you can tie 1/4" nylon rope will work just as well as an expensive c ustom cover. <> _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:15 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know y My 801 is alot heavier then, mainly because of all the extras I have. Th e paint alone added 30+ lbs. I am guessing that Zenith weighed their 801 just as it rolled out of the plant and before anything was added to it. Several other 801's that were built bare bones didn't achieve the adver tised numbers either. I did chat with Larry at OSH and looked over his 8 01, he did a great job and his, like mine are not the "basic" model... O n another note we lost another 801 last month. The pilot/builder is ok t hank god and he will share his story when he feels more comfortable talk ing about it. I will say he is concerned that the seat belt attach brac ket failed too.... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Larry Landucci wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci The empty weight (1310 lb) that I quoted for my 801 is one commonly defined as the weight of the aircraft including unusable fuel (about 4-6 gal), and full oil (12 qts). The empty weight of the Zenith factory 801 is reasonable considering that they have only two fuel tanks, no soundproofing/thermal insulation surrounding the entire interior of the cabin as I do, and a lot simpler (and lighter) instrument panel. The one-inch thick closed-cell foam insulation from Wicks or Spruce is quite heavy. In fact, in the forward floor I have a two inch layer underneath a 1/8 inch masonite sheet and carpet over that. I did that because my rubber fuel lines are routed underneath the "false" floor through rigid PVC tubing on their way to my Andair fuel selector on a center panel (an additional extra weight). I also installed additional aluminum angles (diagonally) on both the top and bottom rear fuselage to minimize "oil canning" during flight and glued random scrap pieces of the 1" foam to the sides of the rear fuselage as well to accomplish the same thing. I have about 160 hours on my 801 and so far have not yet heard any sounds due to flexing of the aluminum skins ("oil canning"). So, with all this I think an extra 160 lbs doesn't seem too bad. Larry Landucci -- N801LL ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

My 801 is alot heavier then, mainly because of all the extras I have. The paint alone added 30+ lbs. I am guessing that Zenith weighed their 801 just as it rolled out of the plant and before anything was add ed to it. Several other 801's that were built bare bones didn't achieve the advertised numbers either. I did chat with Larry at OSH and looked o ver his 801, he did a great job and his, like mine are not the "basic" m odel... On another note we lost another 801 last month. The pilot/builde r is ok thank god and he will share his story when he feels more co mfortable talking about it. I will say he  is concerned that the se at belt attach bracket failed too....

 

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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspo werair.com

-- Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.ne t> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted&nb sp;by: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>

T he empty weight (1310 lb) that I quot ed for my 801 is one commonly 
def ined as the weight of the aircraft in cluding unusable fuel (about 
4-6 gal),  ;and full oil (12 qts).
The empty weigh t of the Zenith factory 801 is reason able considering 
that they have only t wo fuel tanks, no soundproofing/thermal insulat ion 
surrounding the entire interior of  ;the cabin as I do, and a lot si mpler 
(and lighter) instrument panel.
The&nbs p;one-inch thick closed-cell foam insulation fr om Wicks or Spruce is 
quite heavy.&nbs p;In fact, in the forward floor I hav e a two inch layer 
underneath a 1 /8 inch masonite sheet and carpet over&nbs p;that. I did that 
because my rubber&n bsp;fuel lines are routed underneath the " false" floor 
through rigid PVC tubing  on their way to my Andair fuel select or on a 
center panel (an additional&nb sp;extra weight).
I also installed additional&nbs p;aluminum angles (diagonally) on both the  ;
top and bottom rear fuselage to minim ize "oil canning" during flight 
and gl ued random scrap pieces of the 1" foa m to the sides of the rear 
fusela ge as well to accomplish the same thi ng. I have about 160 hours 
on my& nbsp;801 and so far have not yet hear d any sounds due to flexing of 
th e aluminum skins ("oil canning").
So, with&n bsp;all this I think an extra 160 lbs  doesn't seem too bad.


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________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:29 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow It is snowing here in Jackson Hole Wy as I type this. I LOVE the snow an d boy does my 801 love the cold thick air too. . I am not sure I woul d admit to hunting at - 41 though.... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Edward Moody II" wrote: Pussies! I have pussies on my team! I spent three years in the USAF at M almstrom AFB, Great Falls, Montana. Hell, I elk hunted the Gallatin herd at 41degrees below zero, for crying out loud! This morning my backyard felt like a sauna at 8AM but that's the breaks of living in the soutwest LA jungle. At least we haven't had a hurricane come ashore this year (y et). If you get too frozen to hold out, you can come down to Louisiana a nd I'll put you up in the camper till you thaw out, okay? But you gotta debur and prime parts while you're here. Ed----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:19 PMSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Larry- Don't remind me!!! I had to stop work on the project to winter ize. We've had snow as early as the last week of September, but you beat that. I empathize, sympatize, whateverize. People in the South have no idea what it's like to spend half the year preparing for winter. (Unl ess you're snowbirds that moved) And don't forget our Canadian friends- their South is our North! Got your wood in yet? do not archiveBill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa----- Original Message ----- From: LHusky@aol.com To: zenit h-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:31 PMSubject: Z enith-List: Snow Well, I went out to do a little work on my fuselage and it started snowi ng. I can't believe it is snowing this early in the year. I rushed to get my fuse parts back into my garage since I had taken them out to do a little work on my wife's truck. I was using air conditioning two days ago and now I have to find a heater. It is going to get down to 29 toni ght. OUCH!!! Larry Husky Lakeview, OR 601XL / Corvair Building Fuse ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== =====================

It is snowing here in Jackson Hole Wy as I type this. I LO VE the snow and boy does my 801 love the cold thick air too. <G>. I am not sure I would admit to hunting at - 41 though....

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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.n et> wrote:

Pussies! I have pussies on my team! I spent three years in the USAF at Malmstrom AFB, Great Falls, Montana. Hell, I elk hunted the Gallatin herd at 41degrees below zero, for crying out loud! This morning my back yard felt like a sauna at 8AM but that's the breaks of living in the sou twest LA jungle. At least we haven't had a hurricane come ashore this ye ar (yet).
 
If you get too frozen to hold out, you can come down to Louisiana a nd I'll put you up in the camper till you thaw out, okay? But you gotta debur and prime parts while you're here.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow

Larry-
    Don't remind me!!! I had to stop work on the pro ject to winterize. We've had snow as early as the last week of September , but you beat that.
    I empathize, sympatize, whateverize. People in t he South have no idea what it's like to spend half the year preparing fo r winter. (Unless you're snowbirds that moved) And don't forget our Cana dian friends- their South is our North!
    Got your wood in yet?
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Snow

Well, I went out to do a little work on my fuselage and it started snowing.  I can't believe it is snowing this early in the year.&nbs p; I rushed to get my fuse parts back into my garage since I had taken t hem out to do a little work on my wife's truck.  I was using air co nditioning two days ago and now I have to find a heater.  It is goi ng to get down to 29 tonight.  OUCH!!!
 
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Lakeview, OR
601XL / Corvair
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________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: speed range for flaps From: "Tim Juhl" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" I don't have them in front of me but as I recall the speeds are listed on one of the first few pages of the plans you would have got from Zenith. TJ -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Working on Flaps and Ailerons Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62008#62008 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know From: "Chris In Madison" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" I agree. Larry has a very nice plane. He was kind enough to give me a ride in it one beautiful summer evening here in Madison (Middleton), WI. Beautiful sunset on the horizon. It was a very comfortable ride, and his plane is nicely outfitted. I spent some more time going over it at a recent fly-in and like it more each time I see it. I wish you had your plane at Oshkosh this year. I *really* wanted to see it! It was sad that Larry's was the only one there (other than the factory plane). Maybe John Faulkner's new white one with the Eggenfellner 6-cyl will be there next year :-). Best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62015#62015 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know y From: "Chris In Madison" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" Thanks for the details, Larry. Much appreciated. You've got a wonderful airplane, to be sure :-) Best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62016#62016 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:47 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: speed range for flaps On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Randy wrote: > This question is for people that have built, or are building, > 601xl's. I was looking at Zenith's website for the speed range for > operating the flaps, but could not find it. Does anyone know what > the speed range is for the flaps? > > Thanks for your help, > Randy Ferri > 601xl Jab. 3300 I recieved this file in reply to an email I sent to ZAC, It lists a Vf of 80 mph: Nick Heintz Zenith Aircraft Company support@zenithair.com http://www.zenithair.com Technical Support Disclaimer: While we strive to ensure that the advice/information provided through our support is correct, Zenith Aircraft Company does not accept any responsibility for errors or omissions. Any advice or information that Zenith Aircraft Company gives you via any form of communication is not a guarantee that it will correct your problem. It is only offered as assistance to you. Zenith Aircraft Company will not be held responsible for any loss or damage as a result of our advice or information supplied. The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: speed limitations.JPG Date: 10 Jun 2004, 12:45 Size: 158168 bytes. Type: JPEG-image =EF=BC -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:36 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy covers Phil, My suggestion was for those who want protection for their aircraft and nothing else. You like a custom made cover with your aircraft tail number on it for the same reason I have a gold emblem on my Cadillac. The car came with black tire valve screw on covers, and the hood ornament was silver but I had to have gold. The rabbit skin really works if you have a problem with birds landing on your aircraft when it is parked and craping on it whenever they feel like it. I made one up when I had a Beachcraft parked at Meadow Lark Field, Hunting Beach, California and it got craped on all the time until I put that "Scarecrow" on it and no more bird crap. I am never offended by people who have a different view point than I do. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Maxson To: Robert L. Stone Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canopy covers Please don't take offense with the following comments. It's hard to believe, but on occasion, people on this list take my comments the wrong way :-) I admire the frugal nature of your suggestion. I saw the post many months ago, about the blanket and tarp idea, and also a "custom cover" using a table cloth with a soft interior surface. The reason I didn't go with this option is I thought it would look like a tarp and a blanket! Or a tablecloth strapped to my plane! I didn't like the look of it. SO, I went with the a custom, color matched cover from Bruce's Custom Covers. He already had the template for the XL and it looks beautiful. I liked it so much I went back for a prop/spinner cover. I liked the idea about the rabbit skin. Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: rstone4@hot.rr.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy covers Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:57:13 -0500 Members, There is no point or advantage in having a custom fitted cover made for your aircraft. A cotton blanket and a silver 10' X 12' tarp with grommets that you can tie 1/4" nylon rope will work just as well as an expensive custom cover. <> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces Try it! ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:44 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Ed- Talk about pussies- you moved, I'm still here! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Moody II To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Pussies! I have pussies on my team! I spent three years in the USAF at Malmstrom AFB, Great Falls, Montana. Hell, I elk hunted the Gallatin herd at 41degrees below zero, for crying out loud! This morning my backyard felt like a sauna at 8AM but that's the breaks of living in the soutwest LA jungle. At least we haven't had a hurricane come ashore this year (yet). If you get too frozen to hold out, you can come down to Louisiana and I'll put you up in the camper till you thaw out, okay? But you gotta debur and prime parts while you're here. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Larry- Don't remind me!!! I had to stop work on the project to winterize. We've had snow as early as the last week of September, but you beat that. I empathize, sympatize, whateverize. People in the South have no idea what it's like to spend half the year preparing for winter. (Unless you're snowbirds that moved) And don't forget our Canadian friends- their South is our North! Got your wood in yet? do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: LHusky@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Snow Well, I went out to do a little work on my fuselage and it started snowing. I can't believe it is snowing this early in the year. I rushed to get my fuse parts back into my garage since I had taken them out to do a little work on my wife's truck. I was using air conditioning two days ago and now I have to find a heater. It is going to get down to 29 tonight. OUCH!!! Larry Husky Lakeview, OR 601XL / Corvair Building Fuse Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:36 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Where you can stare at rocks and dream of trees. For that matter, a lawn. (My cousin lives in Flag) do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Latimer To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Snow Isn't -40 C equal to -40 F? It's 94 F and bright sunshine here in Phoenix. Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jari Kaija Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:18 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow > Pussies! ....41degrees Are you talking about fahrenheits? Pussie! :-) At normal winter day, we have minus 35 degrees celsius easily. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:40 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow There's one thing positive about winter, if you're wood's in and everything's insulated. No better time to work on your project without guilt! Unlike some of us that can just sit on their back porch drinking hurricanes and wait for them! Know what I mean Vern, er Ed? do not archive This topic was a harmless diversion, but over and out. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow It is snowing here in Jackson Hole Wy as I type this. I LOVE the snow and boy does my 801 love the cold thick air too. . I am not sure I would admit to hunting at - 41 though.... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Edward Moody II" wrote: Pussies! I have pussies on my team! I spent three years in the USAF at Malmstrom AFB, Great Falls, Montana. Hell, I elk hunted the Gallatin herd at 41degrees below zero, for crying out loud! This morning my backyard felt like a sauna at 8AM but that's the breaks of living in the soutwest LA jungle. At least we haven't had a hurricane come ashore this year (yet). If you get too frozen to hold out, you can come down to Louisiana and I'll put you up in the camper till you thaw out, okay? But you gotta debur and prime parts while you're here. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Larry- Don't remind me!!! I had to stop work on the project to winterize. We've had snow as early as the last week of September, but you beat that. I empathize, sympatize, whateverize. People in the South have no idea what it's like to spend half the year preparing for winter. (Unless you're snowbirds that moved) And don't forget our Canadian friends- their South is our North! Got your wood in yet? do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: LHusky@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Snow Well, I went out to do a little work on my fuselage and it started snowing. I can't believe it is snowing this early in the year. I rushed to get my fuse parts back into my garage since I had taken them out to do a little work on my wife's truck. I was using air conditioning two days ago and now I have to find a heater. It is going to get down to 29 tonight. OUCH!!! Larry Husky Lakeview, OR 601XL / Corvair Building Fuse Do Not Archive ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List tronics.com ics.com www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:09 PM PST US From: "Ryan Vechinski" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Upper Elevator Horn --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ryan Vechinski" Fellow 701 builders; I am currently working on finishing up the elevator, and I am trying to figure out the upper elevator horn, part number 7H5-1. First of all, I don't believe that it is drawn correctly when looking at the "top" view. I cannot figure out how far in to taper the front of the horn (the dashed line with the work "cut" in the drawings) Could someone help me understand this? I hope I am explaining this enough. I will try to scan an image in if necessary. Thanks in advance. Ryan