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1. 05:37 AM - Re: 601XL Wing Spars (David Barth)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale (ernie)
3. 06:24 AM - Re: 701 Upper Elevator Horn (Ryan Vechinski)
4. 07:17 AM - Re: Ballistic recovery chute in an XL (N5SL)
5. 07:17 AM - Re: Ballistic recovery chute in an XL (N5SL)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: Instruments ()
7. 08:08 AM - Re: Familiarization flight time (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
8. 08:19 AM - Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale (Robert L. Stone)
9. 08:58 AM - Re: 601XL Wing Spars (Wade Jones)
10. 09:54 AM - Rotax (Gordon)
11. 10:09 AM - Re: Rotax ()
12. 11:32 AM - Re: Rotax (Paul Mulwitz)
13. 02:12 PM - Re: Rotax (Trevor Page)
14. 03:15 PM - Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
15. 03:15 PM - Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
16. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Snow Blind Curse (Bill Naumuk)
17. 04:02 PM - Re: Rotax (Gordon)
18. 04:23 PM - Re: Snow Blind Curse (Bryan Martin)
19. 04:27 PM - Re: Rotax (george may)
20. 04:47 PM - Re: Ballistic recovery chute in an XL (george may)
21. 05:55 PM - Re: Ballistic recovery chute in an XL (Craig Payne)
22. 06:55 PM - Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale (Dave)
23. 07:23 PM - Re: 601 Canopy Covers (Al Young)
24. 07:31 PM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know y (Dave Ruddiman)
25. 09:21 PM - Re: Familiarization flight time (george may)
26. 10:29 PM - Re: Rotax (N601RT)
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Wing Spars |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi Wade.
Here are a few tips. I also have some photos if you
want some. Email me offlist.
Number 8 and 10 machine screws with wing nuts make
great clecos as you drill. (be sure to use washers on
both ends to avoid marking those spar caps)
I always started with a smaller bit and did a pilot
hole first. More drilling overall but all my holes
are round so I think it was worth it.
I turned the drill head on my drill press 90 degrees
and clamped the base to a small table beside my
worktable. This allowed me the reach I needed. Then I
slid the spar along the work table and drilled as I
went. It worked well. It is important that the spar
remains flat (straight) throughout the drilling
process or you will build in some warp.
I use a small piece of angle or some other suitable
tool to check that the drill bit is square to the spar
cap in both directions. If the hole isn't square to
the material the heads of the rivets don't sit right.
Polish those spar caps. There should be no nicks or
scratches in them whatsoever as that is where stresses
will build up.
I hope that little bit helps. A lot is common sense
but spars are a lot of work and absolutely crucial to
the structural integrity of your airframe. I would
hate to see anyone make a set that were not airworthy.
have fun.
David
--- Wade Jones <waj@quik.com> wrote:
> Hello group ,I thank you all for the responses I
> received when I first wrote .I received my first AL.
> order from ASC. on July 26th 2006 .Since that time I
> have built the rudder, horz. stab.,Ribs for flaps
> ,elevator, ailerons .Both front and rear wing ribs
> ,center section is built (not riveted yet) , all the
> main spars components are cut and ready for drilling
> .Dave Clay from Temple Texas has been a great help
> ,he has many good ideas in this construction .I am
> ready to drill the wing spar parts together today
> .Do any of you scratch builders have any suggestions
> how to do this that may help me . Thank you Wade
Jones
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale |
Jeff,
I am concidering building a 601xl. But I will need to consult with
other builders, I am new to this and have not taken the rudder class or
flown in a zenith.
ernie
On 9/17/06, Afterfxllc@aol.com <Afterfxllc@aol.com> wrote:
>
> MAKE OFFER
>
> I hate to sell this but wife lost her medical and I have no choice.
> The tail is finished and primed inside and out with DuPont 2 part primer.
> The fush. is 80% complete and is also primed inside and out, it is on it's
> mains and has the dual stick option. The canopy is 60% complete on the fush.
>
> The wings haven't been started. I bought the landing light option and the
> wing baggage doors.
> I also got the strobe option.
> I have 2 corvair motors along with WW's books and tapes.
> Please contact me off line at 502-644-8123
> Kit is located in Louisville Ky.
> Jeff
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Upper Elevator Horn |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ryan Vechinski" <brothapig@hotmail.com>
John, thanks for your reply. It looks like that is the only way to do it,
as the required information is missing. It makes me feel better to hear the
way other people have done it. Thanks!
Ryan
----Original Message Follows----
From: johndread@wildblue.net
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Upper Elevator Horn
--> Zenith-List message posted by: johndread@wildblue.net
Hi Ryan:
I was just working on the same part last evening. I have
noticed that none of the angles shown on the Zenith
drawings are very precise. Part of the learning experience
I suppose! The way I generated the angle for the "cut" on
the part was as follows. After locating the upper horn on
the elevator I made a mark where the rivet flange aligned
with the front edge of the spar. Then I measured 20mm as is
shown on the drawing along the flange, make a line at right
angles across the flange. Where this line meets the curve
of the vertical is where the bottom of the "cut" is
located. Draw a line from this position to the 12mm radius
indicated on the drawings. Then bandsaw and file to shape.
Hope this helps. Call me at 303-648-3261 if you need more
help.
John Read - working hard on my 701 in Colorado
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ryan Vechinski"
> <brothapig@hotmail.com>
>
> Fellow 701 builders;
>
> I am currently working on finishing up the elevator, and I am trying to
> figure out the upper elevator horn, part number 7H5-1. First of all, I
> don't believe that it is drawn correctly when looking at the "top" view.
> I
> cannot figure out how far in to taper the front of the horn (the dashed
> line
> with the work "cut" in the drawings) Could someone help me understand
> this?
> I hope I am explaining this enough. I will try to scan an image in if
> necessary. Thanks in advance.
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic recovery chute in an XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Craig:
30 lbs. is not all in the luggage area. I have my
harness installed and a lot of it is forward of the
gear - the reinforcing angle, bolts, harness, steel
rings, pull handle etc. I'm waiting to order the
actual parachute and rocket on advice from BRS. I'll
weigh this stuff when I get it.
Click on the link below to see pictures of the harness
installed on my 601XL.
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Omaha, Nebraska
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BRS.html
--- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
The way I read the weight and balance numbers
installing 28 to 30 pounds of gear at the rear of the
luggage platform
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic recovery chute in an XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Craig:
30 lbs. is not all in the luggage area. I have my
harness installed and a lot of it is forward of the
gear - the reinforcing angle, bolts, harness, steel
rings, pull handle etc. I'm waiting to order the
actual parachute and rocket on advice from BRS. I'll
weigh this stuff when I get it.
Click on the link below to see pictures of the harness
installed on my 601XL.
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Omaha, Nebraska
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BRS.html
--- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
The way I read the weight and balance numbers
installing 28 to 30 pounds of gear at the rear of the
luggage platform
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
The Enigma unit is very attractive and promises to be versatile as well. The teething
pains associated with a newly released product of this complexity may be
a problem. Then again, I'm going with Advanced Flight Systems' AF-3500 combo
unit which has only been flying a very short while. On the positive side, the
AF-3500 is based on their previously proven EIS technology with the AHRS guts
of the Chelton systems.
That product can be viewed at
http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/Products/AF-3500/AF-3500.html
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / firewall
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| Subject: | Re: Familiarization flight time |
George, you are welcome to come South to Georgia and I'll put you into my
XL-3300. Good luck, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale |
Don't you think it would be a good idea for you to mind your own god dam
business.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Bellach
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
Robert,
Don't you think it might be a good idea to contact Jeff directly
as he requested if your are interested in the 601XL kit that he
described and indicated that he was open to offers on?
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
Jeff,
Don't you think it might be a good idea to tell us what you are
selling and what price you have in mind?????
----- Original Message -----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
MAKE OFFER
I hate to sell this but wife lost her medical and I have no
choice.
The tail is finished and primed inside and out with DuPont 2 part
primer.
The fush. is 80% complete and is also primed inside and out, it is
on it's mains and has the dual stick option. The canopy is 60% complete
on the fush.
The wings haven't been started. I bought the landing light option
and the wing baggage doors.
I also got the strobe option.
I have 2 corvair motors along with WW's books and tapes.
Please contact me off line at 502-644-8123
Kit is located in Louisville Ky.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Wing Spars |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wade Jones" <waj@quik.com>
Hi David ,thanks a lot for your imput .I finished drilling the spars
yesterday (8 hours) lots of drilling .I used a method similar to yours
.Thanks again wade
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barth" <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Wing Spars
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Wade.
> Here are a few tips. I also have some photos if you
> want some. Email me offlist.
>
> Number 8 and 10 machine screws with wing nuts make
> great clecos as you drill. (be sure to use washers on
> both ends to avoid marking those spar caps)
>
> I always started with a smaller bit and did a pilot
> hole first. More drilling overall but all my holes
> are round so I think it was worth it.
>
> I turned the drill head on my drill press 90 degrees
> and clamped the base to a small table beside my
> worktable. This allowed me the reach I needed. Then I
> slid the spar along the work table and drilled as I
> went. It worked well. It is important that the spar
> remains flat (straight) throughout the drilling
> process or you will build in some warp.
>
> I use a small piece of angle or some other suitable
> tool to check that the drill bit is square to the spar
> cap in both directions. If the hole isn't square to
> the material the heads of the rivets don't sit right.
>
> Polish those spar caps. There should be no nicks or
> scratches in them whatsoever as that is where stresses
> will build up.
>
> I hope that little bit helps. A lot is common sense
> but spars are a lot of work and absolutely crucial to
> the structural integrity of your airframe. I would
> hate to see anyone make a set that were not airworthy.
>
> have fun.
> David
>
> --- Wade Jones <waj@quik.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello group ,I thank you all for the responses I
>> received when I first wrote .I received my first AL.
>> order from ASC. on July 26th 2006 .Since that time I
>> have built the rudder, horz. stab.,Ribs for flaps
>> ,elevator, ailerons .Both front and rear wing ribs
>> ,center section is built (not riveted yet) , all the
>> main spars components are cut and ready for drilling
>> .Dave Clay from Temple Texas has been a great help
>> ,he has many good ideas in this construction .I am
>> ready to drill the wing spar parts together today
>> .Do any of you scratch builders have any suggestions
>> how to do this that may help me . Thank you Wade
> Jones
>
>
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
> Working on Wings
> www.ch601.org
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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I'm at the point were I need to order something that will make noise and
spin a propeller. It's going to be a Rotax 912ULS and from what I can
tell online, everyone seems to sell this engine for about the same price
including Zenith. I was wondering if anyone had any advise for who to
deal with. I've got to believe that some are better than others
especially if I were to have a problem with the engine. I'm in Northern
Vt. (no snow yet) so Canada may also be an option.
Thanks,
Gordon
CH701
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Gordon,
Mine is the 80 HP Rotax that I got through Zenith
10 1/2 years ago. All my service has been through Lockwood Aviation with
great service. I've used them because I'm located in the Southeast.
Several other Rotax dealers offer good service too; LEAF, CPS, South
Mississippi etc. I've talked with all of them from time to time. Good
folks, all of them. Initial purchace should work through any one of
them. My 2 cents for what it is worth.
do not archive
Jim Hoak 601HD - Rotax 912UL - 530 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: Rotax
I'm at the point were I need to order something that will make noise
and spin a propeller. It's going to be a Rotax 912ULS and from what I
can tell online, everyone seems to sell this engine for about the same
price including Zenith. I was wondering if anyone had any advise for who
to deal with. I've got to believe that some are better than others
especially if I were to have a problem with the engine. I'm in Northern
Vt. (no snow yet) so Canada may also be an option.
Thanks,
Gordon
CH701
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Hi Gordon,
I have no experience with this product, but it seems to me that one
big variable would be the shipping cost and method. I know ZAC gets
huge discounts from Yellow Freight, but there might be a supplier in
your neighborhood that would be better for you to do business with.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 09:51 AM 9/18/2006, you wrote:
>I'm at the point were I need to order something that will make noise
>and spin a propeller. It's going to be a Rotax 912ULS and from what
>I can tell online, everyone seems to sell this engine for about the
>same price including Zenith. I was wondering if anyone had any
>advise for who to deal with. I've got to believe that some are
>better than others especially if I were to have a problem with the
>engine. I'm in Northern Vt. (no snow yet) so Canada may also be an option.
>Thanks,
>Gordon
>CH701
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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Gordon, Rotax does not give dealers any real margin on the products
so that's why the prices are pretty much the same everywhere you go.
So basically find a dealer that's relatively close and has good
service. I can vouch the folks @ Aeropropulsion just outside of
Montreal, that's probably not too far from you. Their website is at
http://www.rotaxservice.com/
Might I suggest the Warp Drive propeller for your plane. It's a
perfect match for a 912 and smooth as silk. I've owned various props
from both the US and Europe and they're one of the best if you want
to have a North American prop. European props (DUC, Woodcomp, etc)
are excellent as well however much more expensive (the DUC was superb).
Also, ZAC has a new cowling and FWF kit of the 701 that was
originally designed in Germany (http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-
engine.html). It's way nicer and better than the kit ZAC has been
using over the years but I know others have had great experience with
the CZAW FWF kit sold by SkyShops as well (http://www.skyshops.org/
FIREWALLFOW.htm) . I've seen their cowl on the weekend and it makes a
701 look fantastic!
I'm currently switching over to the CZAW cowl kit for my 601.
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Sep 18, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Gordon wrote:
> I'm at the point were I need to order something that will make
> noise and spin a propeller. It's going to be a Rotax 912ULS and
> from what I can tell online, everyone seems to sell this engine for
> about the same price including Zenith. I was wondering if anyone
> had any advise for who to deal with. I've got to believe that some
> are better than others especially if I were to have a problem with
> the engine. I'm in Northern Vt. (no snow yet) so Canada may also be
> an option.
> Thanks,
> Gordon
> CH701
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale |
LOL Thank you
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale |
If you read you would know ....it says 601 xl Factory kit and it also says
make offer.
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| Subject: | Re: Snow Blind Curse |
Jim-
Well, as you know, Pa. in winter is where Hell froze over. I really
respect the guys who fly for FedEx!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hoak
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Bill Naumuk I am originally from Pa ( been in Ga for 43 years ) and
live near Bill of Ga. I've ssen him sweat in his shop and hangar. In the
summer Ga IS HELL!
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Jim Hoak - also of GA
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:53 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Bill-
Closer to warm climes sounds closer to Hell to me.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Yankee Friends, it tain't that we men of the South just don't know
what it's like to live in the frozen hell of the north. We do ! It's
just that we are also smart enough not to choose to live there. Course,
GOD blessing us to been born down here abouts, helped out some too. Best
wishes, Bill of Georgia
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Trevor,
Thanks for the info. I liked the appearance of the CZ cowling as
well and ordered the CZAF FWF kit from skyshop in mid July, so hopefully
it will be arriving soon. As I recall, they provide a woodcomp
propeller with the kit.
I'll check with Aeropropulsion in the morning.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Trevor Page
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rotax
Gordon, Rotax does not give dealers any real margin on the products so
that's why the prices are pretty much the same everywhere you go. So
basically find a dealer that's relatively close and has good service. I
can vouch the folks @ Aeropropulsion just outside of Montreal, that's
probably not too far from you. Their website is at
http://www.rotaxservice.com/
Might I suggest the Warp Drive propeller for your plane. It's a
perfect match for a 912 and smooth as silk. I've owned various props
from both the US and Europe and they're one of the best if you want to
have a North American prop. European props (DUC, Woodcomp, etc) are
excellent as well however much more expensive (the DUC was superb).
Also, ZAC has a new cowling and FWF kit of the 701 that was originally
designed in Germany (http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-engine.html).
It's way nicer and better than the kit ZAC has been using over the years
but I know others have had great experience with the CZAW FWF kit sold
by SkyShops as well (http://www.skyshops.org/FIREWALLFOW.htm) . I've
seen their cowl on the weekend and it makes a 701 look fantastic!
I'm currently switching over to the CZAW cowl kit for my 601.
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Sep 18, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Gordon wrote:
I'm at the point were I need to order something that will make noise
and spin a propeller. It's going to be a Rotax 912ULS and from what I
can tell online, everyone seems to sell this engine for about the same
price including Zenith. I was wondering if anyone had any advise for who
to deal with. I've got to believe that some are better than others
especially if I were to have a problem with the engine. I'm in Northern
Vt. (no snow yet) so Canada may also be an option.
Thanks,
Gordon
CH701
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| Subject: | Re: Snow Blind Curse |
No, Hell is in Michigan, and it freezes over every year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_MI
http://www.hell2u.com/
On Sep 18, 2006, at 6:18 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
> Jim-
> Well, as you know, Pa. in winter is where Hell froze over. I
> really respect the guys who fly for FedEx!
>
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Gordon--
I've dealt with two differnt vendors. I purchased my 912uls from Lockwood
in Florida since they are a known quantity and are excellent on support.
I also have a Rotax 582 that I have had rebuilt twice by Light Engines in
Ontario Canada. Also excellent service and was a great help in
troublshooting some early issues.
Wish there was a dealer in the northeast
George May
601XL 912s
>From: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax
>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:51:17 -0400
>
>I'm at the point were I need to order something that will make noise and
>spin a propeller. It's going to be a Rotax 912ULS and from what I can tell
>online, everyone seems to sell this engine for about the same price
>including Zenith. I was wondering if anyone had any advise for who to deal
>with. I've got to believe that some are better than others especially if I
>were to have a problem with the engine. I'm in Northern Vt. (no snow yet)
>so Canada may also be an option.
>Thanks,
>Gordon
>CH701
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| Subject: | Ballistic recovery chute in an XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Craig--
You might want to check out the Zenith factory in Atlanta that build the
Light sport version of the zodiac. One of the options they have is the BRS.
They mount it in front of the passenger under the instrument panel (ahead of
the cg)
George May
601XL 912s
>From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Ballistic recovery chute in an XL
>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:10:21 -0600
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>I've been looking at the feasibility of installing a chute in an XL. The
>way
>I read the weight and balance numbers installing 28 to 30 pounds of gear at
>the rear of the luggage platform would leave you with a plane with greatly
>reduced usability - especially with two adults but no luggage.
>Interestingly
>the trouble come as fuel gets low - around 7 gallons with two FAA standard
>170 lb adults. I'm basing my analysis on a spreadsheet that David X. sent
>out on July 31st.
>
>Can anyone with experience installing a chute in an XL give me their
>analysis?
>
>-- Craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Ballistic recovery chute in an XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I asked BRS: "What is the weight of just the parachute & rocket package?"
They replied: "That's most of the weight, probably 27 pounds."
-- Craig
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| Subject: | 601 XL Factory Kit for sale |
This was the last straw for me!!! I'm sure glad my plane is flying and wish
the best to the sensible, polite, and courteous posters on the list as well
as those with a sense of humor that can make light of the stress often
encountered while we build our flying machines. Comments like the one below
are best contemplated while over inhospitable terrain when the engine goes
silent.
PS Dump the 18 point font unless your blind too!
Dave 601-HD 912ULS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:03 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
Don't you think it would be a good idea for you to mind your own god dam
business.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Bellach
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
Robert,
Don't you think it might be a good idea to contact Jeff directly as
he requested if your are interested in the 601XL kit that he described and
indicated that he was open to offers on?
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
Jeff,
Don't you think it might be a good idea to tell us what you are
selling and what price you have in mind?????
----- Original Message -----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
MAKE OFFER
I hate to sell this but wife lost her medical and I have no choice.
The tail is finished and primed inside and out with DuPont 2 part
primer.
The fush. is 80% complete and is also primed inside and out, it is
on it's mains and has the dual stick option. The canopy is 60% complete on
the fush.
The wings haven't been started. I bought the landing light option
and the wing baggage doors.
I also got the strobe option.
I have 2 corvair motors along with WW's books and tapes.
Please contact me off line at 502-644-8123
Kit is located in Louisville Ky.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Canopy Covers |
Bill- I'll get on the cover soon. Right now I am expecting to start
painting within a week or so. So that might take precedence. I hope
the transponder certification goes well. I'm still jealous!! Regards,
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy Covers
Al, I'm sorry to hear your wife is still ill. Joy and I hope she
recovers quickly. On the cover, sure sounds good to me. Ask him to make
one, if you are satisfied I want one as well. I have to fly up to
Griffin Tuesday to get the transponder certified. I plan on making some
x-county flights this fall and winter. Best regards, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I |
know y
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
Larry,
Is there a reason for the foam other than the oil canning? I suppose it
helps on sound also. Is there a reason you can't use construction foam
board. It does seem like a good idea. How about gluing the foam on before
assembling? Just curious. I'm thinking about using metal fuel lines. Thought
I would look through the archives for some information. If there are any
pros or cons I won't find there, I would welcome any input. (as long as I
agree with it) HA.
Dave in Salem
801
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Landucci" <lllanducci@tds.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders
(I know y
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
>
> The empty weight (1310 lb) that I quoted for my 801 is one commonly
> defined as the weight of the aircraft including unusable fuel (about 4-6
> gal), and full oil (12 qts).
> The empty weight of the Zenith factory 801 is reasonable considering that
> they have only two fuel tanks, no soundproofing/thermal insulation
> surrounding the entire interior of the cabin as I do, and a lot simpler
> (and lighter) instrument panel.
> The one-inch thick closed-cell foam insulation from Wicks or Spruce is
> quite heavy. In fact, in the forward floor I have a two inch layer
> underneath a 1/8 inch masonite sheet and carpet over that. I did that
> because my rubber fuel lines are routed underneath the "false" floor
> through rigid PVC tubing on their way to my Andair fuel selector on a
> center panel (an additional extra weight).
> I also installed additional aluminum angles (diagonally) on both the top
> and bottom rear fuselage to minimize "oil canning" during flight and glued
> random scrap pieces of the 1" foam to the sides of the rear fuselage as
> well to accomplish the same thing. I have about 160 hours on my 801 and so
> far have not yet heard any sounds due to flexing of the aluminum skins
> ("oil canning").
> So, with all this I think an extra 160 lbs doesn't seem too bad.
>
>
> Larry Landucci -- N801LL
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Familiarization flight time |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Bill--thanks for the offer----------hope it doesn't come to that
George
do not archive
>From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Familiarization flight time
>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:03:04 EDT
>
>George, you are welcome to come South to Georgia and I'll put you into my
>XL-3300. Good luck, Bill
>do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "N601RT" <N601RT@comcast.net>
Gordon,
I purchased my 912ULS from a small dealer who sold mostly two stroke Rotaxes. 20-20
hindsight is this could have been a mistake. I live in Oregon and now do
most of my Rotax business with Lockwood. As already noted, most of the prices
are very similar.
I like Lockwood because:
Phil Lockwood does Rotax seminars across the country. I find him personable, helpful
and approachable.
Lockwood has a free tech line.
Lockwood seems to be a high volume Rotax dealer and has a good parts supply. They
probably have fresh engines.
I don't like Lockwood's return policy (something like 10% restocking fee for returns).
I also don't like Lockwood's web page, which can be very difficult to
navigate and can be slow.
CPS is the closest dealer to me. Mike who runs CPS can be less than pleasant. In
my experience, the people who answer CPS's phones are not as courteous or as
knowledgeable as those at Lockwood.
You may consider posting your question to the RotaxEngines-list that Matronics
hosts.
IF you were getting a Warp Drive prop, I was going to recommend NOT getting the
nickel leading edge inlay. The inlay increases the rotational mass of the propeller
so it may not remain within the Rotax specification.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 632hrs,
730 landings
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