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1. 01:47 AM - Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
2. 06:06 AM - Re: IO-360 (steveadams)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: IO-360 (Dave Ruddiman)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale (Steve Hulland)
5. 07:05 AM - Treetop Flyer Video (CH701)
6. 07:32 AM - XL canopy issues (Rico Voss)
7. 08:15 AM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) (Larry Landucci)
8. 09:02 AM - Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) (Dave Ruddiman)
9. 09:39 AM - Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale (crvsecretary@aol.com)
10. 09:50 AM - Re: IO-360 (steveadams)
11. 10:54 AM - Grove Gear help on 601XL (BobTezyk)
12. 11:47 AM - Re: Grove Gear help on 601XL (N5SL)
13. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: IO-360 (Dave Ruddiman)
14. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders (I know you're out there) (Dave Ruddiman)
15. 04:30 PM - Re: XL canopy issues (Jeff)
16. 09:25 PM - Crowned rear wing ribs (Ron Lendon)
17. 10:49 PM - Pics of Zenith 601XL for sale (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
18. 10:49 PM - More pics (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
19. 10:50 PM - More pics (Afterfxllc@AOL.COM)
20. 10:51 PM - Still more pics (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
21. 10:54 PM - Yet some more pics (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
22. 10:57 PM - Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale |
I am truly sorry... I honestly thought that this could in no way get a
hostile thread started but once again I am taken back by the slightest little
thing sparking a bitter war of words.
That does it for me also I am just gonna have to retract my offer to sell
the plane and go ahead and finish it. So what if my wife doesn't have medical
insurance she will just have to toughen up.
Just joking, seriously guys lighten up life could be worse.
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Another option if you are just interested in having fuel injection, not the extra
horsepower, is looking at the XP-360 or other 360 clone. You can configure
the engine with fuel injection, but the engine will fit the standard cowl.
Steve Adams
CH640
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
The XP360 is actually the engine I have been looking at. I guess I don't
have enough information to know what questions to ask. Is the size
difference in the engine or the fuel injection system?
----- Original Message -----
From: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:04 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: IO-360
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
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> Another option if you are just interested in having fuel injection, not
> the extra horsepower, is looking at the XP-360 or other 360 clone. You can
> configure the engine with fuel injection, but the engine will fit the
> standard cowl.
>
> Steve Adams
> CH640
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62493#62493
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale |
You wife might be able to fly in the Sports Category - provided her medical
lapsed or she gets a special and lets it lapse.
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Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Treetop Flyer Video |
This is a must see video for any aviation enthusiast.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij1qWr99qLE>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij1qWr99qLE
No need to respond or create a new thread - Just enjoy it (the music is
perfect)!
Todd Henning
West Bend, WI
Scratch 701 - WIP
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| Subject: | XL canopy issues |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
Greetings, Larry,
I found your response in the archives, concerning the
inside flashing of the canopy side rail.
"Mark,
I shortened the inside flashing so it rolls in before
getting to the
panel. "
I'm at that point, but wondering how the air leakage is,
from the gap in front of the fwd tube. There's no way of
laying the inside flashing vertical (alongside the panel
edge) if it wraps around the tube. I'm thinking of cutting
(perhaps the top half) the inside flashing just fwd of the
tube, then leaving the fwd part to run vertical above the
side-rail frame. It's not really structural in front of
the tube.
Any thoughts?
I looked thru your pictures -- fantastic web site -- I
refer to it often.
Many thanks,
Richard V., XL/3300, Kansas City.
ps--Ol Ray has about 12 hours on his HD/EA-81, but not
without some engine probs. First problem (blowing
oil-smoke) turns out was caused by over filling oil (oh,
well..). Now he's got coolant showing inside the valve
covers. Took heads off -- they check out OK. Still
looking.
Also is nose "heavy". He's adding a trimtab extension, for
starters, before he messes with remounting stab.
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
I don't think that substituting construction foam board for the
closed-cell insulation/soundproofing foam would be a very good idea
because:
1. It is certainly not FAA approved and would be a real problem in
the rare case of a fire. The closed-cell foam meets or exceeds certain
FAR standards for fire retardancy.
2. Construction foam is very light and rigid. I think that the
flexibility and relatively high density of the closed-cell foam is the
main reason for its effectiveness.
3. The closed-cell foam is very easy to apply with random dabs of
contact cement even on curved surfaces. You want to be able to remove
it to gain access to fuel lines, electrical
wires, etc.
4. Another big plus of the closed-cell foam is that it is very easily
cut with a pair of scissors, and also,since it is flexible it can be
pushed into crevices and areas which would be
very difficult to access with a rigid and brittle foam board.
Larry Landucci -- N801LL
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
THANKS,
SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Landucci" <lllanducci@tds.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
>
> I don't think that substituting construction foam board for the
> closed-cell insulation/soundproofing foam would be a very good idea
> because:
>
> 1. It is certainly not FAA approved and would be a real problem in
> the rare case of a fire. The closed-cell foam meets or exceeds certain
> FAR standards for fire retardancy.
> 2. Construction foam is very light and rigid. I think that the
> flexibility and relatively high density of the closed-cell foam is the
> main reason for its effectiveness.
> 3. The closed-cell foam is very easy to apply with random dabs of
> contact cement even on curved surfaces. You want to be able to remove
> it to gain access to fuel lines, electrical
> wires, etc.
> 4. Another big plus of the closed-cell foam is that it is very easily
> cut with a pair of scissors, and also,since it is flexible it can be
> pushed into crevices and areas which would be
> very difficult to access with a rigid and brittle foam board.
>
> Larry Landucci -- N801LL
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale |
Dave:
I hope you will reconsider and stay on as an active member of this community.
Inasmuch as I personally did not appreciate the venom in this thread, I hope we
can all overlook it and move on in the spirit of comraderie and tolerance.
Your ability to soar high over the morass of negativity on this list (as your
response below shows) makes you a better man than I or most.
Clear skies to you
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
N458XL (reserved)
working on wings
-----Original Message-----
From: daberti@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
This was the last straw for me!!! I'm sure glad my plane is flying and wish the
best to the sensible, polite, and courteous posters on the list as well as those
with a sense of humor that can make light of the stress often encountered
while we build our flying machines. Comments like the one below are best contemplated
while over inhospitable terrain when the engine goes silent.
PS Dump the 18 point font unless your blind too!
Dave 601-HD 912ULS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
Don't you think it would be a good idea for you to mind your own god dam business.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Bellach
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
Robert,
Don't you think it might be a good idea to contact Jeff directly as he requested
if your are interested in the 601XL kit that he described and indicated
that he was open to offers on?
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert L. Stone
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
Jeff,
Don't you think it might be a good idea to tell us what you are selling and
what price you have in mind?????
----- Original Message -----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale
MAKE OFFER
I hate to sell this but wife lost her medical and I have no choice.
The tail is finished and primed inside and out with DuPont 2 part primer.
The fush. is 80% complete and is also primed inside and out, it is on it's mains
and has the dual stick option. The canopy is 60% complete on the fush.
The wings haven't been started. I bought the landing light option and the wing
baggage doors.
I also got the strobe option.
I have 2 corvair motors along with WW's books and tapes.
Please contact me off line at 502-644-8123
Kit is located in Louisville Ky.
Jeff
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
This does get very confusing. When you say IO-360, most people think of the Lycoming
which is a little wider and is 200 HP. It is not just an 0-360 with fuel
injection. However, the XP-360 is basically the same engine whether you get it
with a carb (0-360) or fuel injection (IO-360). Both have the same dimensions
for the engine itself.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62543#62543
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| Subject: | Grove Gear help on 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "BobTezyk" <bob@eaglesnestestates.org>
This post is directed to the folks who have experience installing the Grove landing
gear on a 601XL.
I am about to order a quick build kit from Zenith and have decided I want the Grove
gear. I do not know how much of the gear mounting is finished on the quick
build kit. Grove was not able to provide any insight so I was wondering if
anyone who has experience with the installation can comment on what mods I will
need to do to fit this gear. Any pictures or other information you could share
either on or off list would be appreciated.
I have searched the archive and could not find a great deal on the subject.
Regards,
Bob Tezyk
bob@eaglesnestestates.org
Dallas, TX.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Gear help on 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Bob:
I have experience installing the standard gear and I
understand the Grove gear is thinner. I have also
seen the quick-build fuselage at Sun-n Fun and it is
pretty far along with the gear channel installed.
If I were in your shoes I'd look at making a spacer or
"insert" for the existing channel so the thinner,
Grove gear would ride down the center of the existing
channel. The next task would be to fabricate some new
main gear support parts. I fabricated the ZAC gear
supports according to the plans and it wasn't too
difficult. If you have the gear supports from your
kit you could weld two new bolts to each for your new
supports.
I bet you could bend two "U" channels to fit on each
side of the Grove gear inside the channel and new gear
supports and you would be in business. I just don't
see this as a big deal at all.
Email me off-line if you want to discuss this further.
Scott Laughlin
601XL (N5SL)
Installing Prop.
Omaha, Nebraska
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
--- BobTezyk <bob@eaglesnestestates.org> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "BobTezyk"
> <bob@eaglesnestestates.org>
>
> This post is directed to the folks who have
> experience installing the Grove landing gear on a
> 601XL.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Tezyk
> bob@eaglesnestestates.org
> Dallas, TX.
> do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
That clears up a few more things.
Thanks,
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: IO-360
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>
> This does get very confusing. When you say IO-360, most people think of
> the Lycoming which is a little wider and is 200 HP. It is not just an
> 0-360 with fuel injection. However, the XP-360 is basically the same
> engine whether you get it with a carb (0-360) or fuel injection (IO-360).
> Both have the same dimensions for the engine itself.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62543#62543
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801 Builders |
(I know you're out there)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
Larry,
How do you like the prop you have. What size is it?
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Landucci" <lllanducci@tds.net>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (I know you're out there)801
Builders (I know you're out there)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
>
> I have an O-360 Lycoming in my 801 with a metal cruise prop supplied by
> Zenith and the aircraft is certainly NOT nose heavy as apparently some 801
> builders claim.
> In fact, if I had to do it over again I would probably put the battery on
> the firewall rather than under the seat to get more weight in the front
> end.
> My empty CG is 14.8 in (allowable range is between 12.8 and 22.4 in), and
> I have the shorter horizontal tail. My empty weight is 1310 lbs (I have
> the extended range fuel tanks)
> It is not a big deal but with an empty CG closer to the forward limit you
> would have a greater latitude in loading profiles. As it is, when I start
> to load the back seat I sometimes will reach the aft CG limit before I
> reach gross weight.
>
> Larry Landucci -- N801LL
>
>
>
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| Subject: | XL canopy issues |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
FWIW I'm at the point where my canopy is almost finished too. One of the
last things to do is to act on the decision I already made to cut the inside
flashing just forward of the front tube. It rubs against the corner of the
instrument panel. Even in the photo guide, the same problem is evident in
the pictures. I'm thinking that a piece of rubber weather stripping on the
vertical end of the inside flashing after cutting it would seal the gap with
the panel. Just a thought.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD w/XL Canopy
RE: "Mark, I shortened the inside flashing so it rolls in before getting to
the panel."
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| Subject: | Crowned rear wing ribs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Group,
I have made the rear wing ribs and after forming the flange on the lightening holes
there is a little crown (8mm) in the ribs. It was removed on the first four
ribs with the L angles. Should all the ribs get L angles?
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Pics of Zenith 601XL for sale |
If the PICS don't come thru email me and I will send them to you.
Here are some PICS of the kit I am selling. I would consider taking on a
partner or finishing this project for someone with a $15,000.00 down payment. I
have 2 corvair engines 1 has had the case cleaned and was checked and given
the green light to use, the crank has been turned and is ready for nitron and
safety shaft.
My wife lost her medical ins. at work not her medical to fly sorry for not
saying that.
I can work with someone on payments with enough down.
once again if you have any questions please call me at 502-644-8123
Jeff
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| Subject: | Yet some more pics |
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