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1. 04:16 AM - Re: Re: MSD GMR PIckup ()
2. 04:58 AM - 701 Elev hinge plates (rhartwig11@juno.com)
3. 04:58 AM - 701 Elev hinge plates (rhartwig11@juno.com)
4. 05:36 AM - Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks (Scott Thatcher)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) (Garrou, Douglas)
6. 06:23 AM - Re: Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks (Dave Austin)
7. 07:01 AM - Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) (Tom)
8. 07:08 AM - 701 in Alaska (Rick R)
9. 07:10 AM - Gary Liming? was :801 Builders (Propeller) (Gary Craze)
10. 07:57 AM - Re:701/alaska (Zed Smith)
11. 08:26 AM - Re: Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks (Dave G.)
12. 08:54 AM - Re: 701 in Alaska (N5SL)
13. 08:59 AM - Re:701/alaska (David Barth)
14. 10:23 AM - Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) (Jay Herron)
15. 10:44 AM - Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) (Tom)
16. 10:49 AM - Re: 701 in Alaska (moorecomp)
17. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: 701 in Alaska (Rick R)
18. 12:38 PM - Aerobatics in 601 series (J2j3h4@aol.com)
19. 12:54 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Craig Payne)
20. 01:40 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (J2j3h4@aol.com)
21. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) (Dave Ruddiman)
22. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Snow Blind Curse (Bill Naumuk)
23. 03:33 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Bill Naumuk)
24. 03:35 PM - Re: Photo Share / Rock Throwing (Bill Naumuk)
25. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: It finally happened! (Bill Naumuk)
26. 03:59 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (John Marzulli)
27. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: 701 in Alaska (Rick R)
28. 04:21 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Dave G.)
29. 04:56 PM - Aerospace Logic Fuel level indicator HELP (Sigmo@aol.com)
30. 05:06 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Mike H)
31. 05:49 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Bill Naumuk)
32. 06:00 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Bill Naumuk)
33. 06:41 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Bryan Martin)
34. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: It finally happened! (Dan Lykowski)
35. 07:45 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Photo Share / Rock Throwing (Dave Austin)
36. 07:49 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Ron Lendon)
37. 07:53 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Craig Payne)
38. 09:30 PM - Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) (Tom)
39. 09:46 PM - Re: 601XL Flap settings (lgingell)
40. 11:23 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Gary Gower)
41. 11:56 PM - Parking brake valve block (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: MSD GMR PIckup |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <davgray@sbcglobal.net>
I had no luck with this pick-up. I tried two different units with a VDO
tach.
I was not able to get any signal out of the unit.
I did not have a scope but the digital meter should have detected an average
voltage of 2 to 4 voilts if it was doing its job. This device is supposed
to put out a 12 volt square wave of 1/3 cycle duration, thus the average
expected output.
MSD tech was not able to provide any useful additional information.
SummitRacing was very good about the return.
Gary Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: MSD GMR PIckup
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Craig:
>
> This is very interesting. I read the literature and
> it looks to me that the output signal is like a
> signal like you would have from a gear-tooth pickup.
> Like a pulse-signal, not 12V. This is GOOD because
> I'm using a gear-tooth sensor that doesn't seem to be
> working. My tachometer needs this type of pulse.
>
> The literature says you hook the GMR pickup to a 12V
> trigger source and it converts it to a pulse-signal.
> The question I have is:
>
> With points and a coil, where do you clip the GMR
> pickup? The wire from the coil is grouded through a
> condensor. The + wire is a steady 12V from the
> battery. Is there a 12V signal somewhere in this
> circuit? Does the wire plugged into the negative
> terminal of the coil to the Points have a 12V signal
> when the coil fires?
>
> Am I out of luck with this device for a coil/points
> system?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> Getting ready for first engine start.
>
> --- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> > <craig@craigandjean.com>
> >
> > Why not use the MSD GMR pick-up? Electrically
> > isolated and easier to use
> > than a gear tooth pick-up.
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 Elev hinge plates |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
Ryan,
>"and I cannot get the plate to fit between my two elevator tip rib
rivets "
I filed clearance for the rivet heads. Zenith personnel OKed the method.
Also, on the factory demonstrator, there are two extra rivets in each of
these hinge plates. I am doing that for peace of mind.
>"Also, is the elevator bracket bolt hole supposed to be an interference
fit?"
I pressed the bolt in easily with finger pressure--a difference in drill
diameter or drilling technique. I see no need for an interference fit.
Rich Hartwig
Waunakee, WI
rhartwig11@juno.com
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| Subject: | 701 Elev hinge plates |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
Ryan,
>"and I cannot get the plate to fit between my two elevator tip rib
rivets "
I filed clearance for the rivet heads. Zenith personnel OKed the method.
Also, on the factory demonstrator, there are two extra rivets in each of
these hinge plates. I am doing that for peace of mind.
>"Also, is the elevator bracket bolt hole supposed to be an interference
fit?"
I pressed the bolt in easily with finger pressure--a difference in drill
diameter or drilling technique. I see no need for an interference fit.
Rich Hartwig
Waunakee, WI
rhartwig11@juno.com
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| Subject: | Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks |
Hi Dave,
Since I get the list digest each day rather than individual posts, I
never see any of the photos and consequently never have to deal with all
the downloads. If there is a picture that I think I may need to see, I
can always go to the list and look it up.
Anyway, you might want to give the digest a try. I don't think I could
handle 68 messages per day with some 24 pictures attached without
pulling out what little hair I have left!
Good luck.
Scott, 601XL tail, wings and Fuselage 70% with 70% to go.
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Time: 11:04:58 AM PST US
From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@can.rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats
all folks
With all appropriate respect,
I sat for 35 -40 minutes while 24 pictures arrived, each approx. 200Kb.
That seems like a 4.8 meg transmission.
We've had this discussion recently.
Please realize that I want to spend my money on an aeroplane, not on
hi-speed internet, and my time on building, not waiting for pictures to
arrive, appropriate to just a few on this chat.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
Except on a Spitfire of course!! :)
We're pondering whether to go aluminum or wood for the prop on our 801. We may
go with the wood just for the weight and cost savings. I'm wondering if the
efficiency difference really matters much in a plane that cruises at 90 kts!
Ben Haas, are you still holding out on us on the details of the latest 801 crackup?
Cheers
Doug Garrou
Project801
www.garrou.com
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (Propeller)
From: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
[snip] but I think the combination of a wooden prop on
an all-metal airplane looks a bit odd.
Larry Landucci -- N801LL
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| Subject: | Re: Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks |
Thanks Scott.
Your answer was the sort of answer I thought I'd get from the list.
Helpful.
All the best to our "Hugo Chavez" imitator.. who sent the other msg.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom" <tomp@cogeco.ca>
Hi guys I'm building an 801 also and bought my prop from Catto Propellors. For
the price its probably a good choice until you can afford something better like
a constant speed prop that reverses for when your on floats!!
Tom
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62991#62991
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Does anyone know the owner of this 701 in Alaska?
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/pic06/paul701c.jpg
http://www.ch701.com/
ZAC didn't......
thanks
do not archive
Rick
Sharpsburg, GA. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Gary Liming? was :801 Builders (Propeller) |
Hey Gary, I'd love to hear your experience so far with the three blade
(composite over wood I think?)
Thanks!
Gary Craze
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Judging from the file name on the photo I'd guess his first name is Paul.
Just do a Gooooogle for Paul in Alaska.......
do not archive
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave G." <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
It's all a matter of perpsective and and common sense. I get individual
emails from this list, as well as three other aircraft lists two motorcycle
lists and emails relating to other interests and my personal communications
every day. Many come with attached files. I have my mail program set up to
sort all the email into their various folders and can deal with them or not
depending on the time I have. I can download headers only when I'm on dial
and choose to delete them from the server or leave them for later if they
have large attchments. It was a chore learning how to deal with up to
hundreds of emails but it was easier than doing it manually or complaining
to others to respect MY limitations. I seldom read even half the emails and
simply select those that deserve attention.
It's just an opinion but expecting others to limit or curtail their
activities on the list because it causes a single or even a few persons some
inconvenience when they haven't taken any steps to address it themselves is
a little self centered.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 in Alaska |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Rick! The owner would be "Paul" (filename:
"paul701c.jpg").
Just joshing you. The FAA only has one CH701
registered in Alaska and it belongs to:
ALBAUGH WILLIAM L
HC 72 BOX 835
TOK, AK 99780-9410
N338WT
If you change the file name so "paul701a" you will see
this picture:
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/pic06/paul701a.jpg
I can't make out the tail number however.
You could send him a Sled-Ex message or
something(Dogsled).
Good luck,
Scott Laughlin
--- Rick R <rick@n701rr.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know the owner of this 701 in Alaska?
>
>
>
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/pic06/paul701c.jpg
>
> http://www.ch701.com/
>
> ZAC didn't......
>
> thanks
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Rick
> Sharpsburg, GA. USA
> http://www.n701rr.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Rick you should send an email to Bob Jones. He would
know if anyone would.
bobnpat@gci.net
Good Luck Bud.
David
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jay Herron" <jay@agstore.net>
Tom,
I curious as to the specs on your prop. Length, pitch, # of blades??? I assume
that you are installing a O360?
Thanks,
Jay
Tom wrote:
> Hi guys I'm building an 801 also and bought my prop from Catto Propellors. For
the price its probably a good choice until you can afford something better like
a constant speed prop that reverses for when your on floats!!
> Tom
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63030#63030
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom" <tomp@cogeco.ca>
My propellor is a 3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite and has a 68" Diameter x52" pitch
and isgoing on my IO-360 by Teledyne Mattituck. You can checkout everything
I've got on my links website. Craig Catto will make any spec you want and is
good to deal with. I got the idea from Gary L. website to go with a Catto Prop.
--------
Tom
http://tompizza.webhop.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63035#63035
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| Subject: | Re: 701 in Alaska |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "moorecomp" <moorecomp@yahoo.com>
Rick,
Paul Reinders
Apparently, when he is not in Alaska, he works with the guys at Quality Sport Planes
as a SP examiner.
http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_005.htm
Bottom of the page.
Best to all,
Craig Moore A&P
701 builder wannabe
Mancelona, MI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63037#63037
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| Subject: | Re: 701 in Alaska |
Thanks all....
do not archive
moorecomp <moorecomp@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "moorecomp"
Rick,
Paul Reinders
Apparently, when he is not in Alaska, he works with the guys at Quality Sport Planes
as a SP examiner.
http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_005.htm
Bottom of the page.
Best to all,
Craig Moore A&P
701 builder wannabe
Mancelona, MI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63037#63037
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| Subject: | Aerobatics in 601 series |
I know that Zenith says the planes are not intended for aerobatics, but I
can't believe that a plane would be designed for +/- 6 g at gross weight
without aerobatics in mind. That is stronger than the RV's or Sonex, which are
rated at +6 -3 g and that is at a reduced weight.
That said, I'm sure it is capable of aerobatics, but the question is "How
well does it do them?" I have about 2.5 hours of aerobatic instruction plus
spin training and really enjoy it. I'm not interested in competition or
extreme maneuvers, but enjoy an occasional loop or roll and combinations thereof.
I've read many accounts from RV and Sonex pilots about how pleasant their
planes are to fly in aerobatics, but I've never read any from Zenith pilots.
I
did read that Chris Heintz said (off the record) that the 601 is very
pleasant in aerobatics, but I've never read any other comments.
I have searched the archives, but didn't find anyone that said they had done
aerobatics. C'mon guys, surely SOMEONE has.
Breathes there a man with soul so dead
That never to himself has said
"Hey what happens if I do this"
(With apologies to Sir Walter Scott)
I am trying to decide between a Zenith and a Sonex. The Zenith seems
preferable as a plane for cross country, but I just want to do something different
once in a while. My final choice will probably be based on whether and how
well (in terms of pleasant handling) the Zenith will do aerobatics.
Jim Hasper
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| Subject: | Aerobatics in 601 series |
>> I am trying to decide between a Zenith and a Sonex.
Have you sat in both? The Sonex is said to be tighter.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
Yes. The Sonex is comparable to a Cessna 152, while the Zenith is like a
172. Both are doable, but as I said the Zenith is unquestionably more
comfortable for cross country, especially for two. However, 95% of my flying
would
be solo and local, and the aerobatics is more important to me.
Jim
Do not archive
In a message dated 9/21/2006 3:02:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
craig@craigandjean.com writes:
>> I am trying to decide between a Zenith and a Sonex.
Have you sat in both? The Sonex is said to be tighter.
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
Tom,
How long before you are flying? I'm really curious about the performance of
the Catto prop.
Dave in Salem
801
no engine or prop yet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <tomp@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (Propeller)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom" <tomp@cogeco.ca>
>
> My propellor is a 3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite and has a 68" Diameter
> x52" pitch and isgoing on my IO-360 by Teledyne Mattituck. You can
> checkout everything I've got on my links website. Craig Catto will make
> any spec you want and is good to deal with. I got the idea from Gary L.
> website to go with a Catto Prop.
>
> --------
> Tom
> http://tompizza.webhop.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63035#63035
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Snow Blind Curse |
MessageZodie-
Being a patriotic Canadian, I'll bet you used the "Handyman's
secret" instead of rivets on your HD, too.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
Craig-
Everything's a tradeoff. You could scratchbuild a Sonex for about
1/2 the final price of a Zenith, but I'm sorry, the Sonex ranks in the
top 10 ugliest aircraft of all time. Sort of like that Toyota Scion
breadbox. Reliable, functional, affordable, but you have to park it in a
dark alley behind a dumpster.
You know, someone had a "Low and slow" clip from Youtube a couple of
days ago. I was really impressed, but my question is, "What was the guy
flying?" The pilot did a nice Immelman on the way home.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aerobatics in 601 series
>> I am trying to decide between a Zenith and a Sonex.
Have you sat in both? The Sonex is said to be tighter.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Photo Share / Rock Throwing |
Randy-
What engine?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Stout
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Photo Share / Rock Throwing
I think everyone on this list is very familiar with the Delete key and
its use. The problem is that most people with dialup have to wait for
the message to download before they can hit the delete key. If there is
a large file attached, that might mean waiting for 40 minutes.
Now put the rocks down and get back to building.
do not archive
Randy Stout
San Antonio, TX
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
Waiting and waiting and waiting for my engine
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Dan-
Forgive my ignorance, but speaking of pickups, does the Dynan connect to
a standard pitot/static tube, something task dedicated, or is it totally
independent?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
I beleive that was an RV-7 in the "Low and Slow" clip.
On 9/21/06, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> Craig-
> Everything's a tradeoff. You could scratchbuild a Sonex for about 1/2
> the final price of a Zenith, but I'm sorry, the Sonex ranks in the top 10
> ugliest aircraft of all time. Sort of like that Toyota Scion breadbox.
> Reliable, functional, affordable, but you have to park it in a dark alley
> behind a dumpster.
> You know, someone had a "Low and slow" clip from Youtube a couple of
> days ago. I was really impressed, but my question is, "What was the guy
> flying?" The pilot did a nice Immelman on the way home.
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:53 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Aerobatics in 601 series
>
> >> I am trying to decide between a Zenith and a Sonex.
>
> Have you sat in both? The Sonex is said to be tighter.
>
> -- Craig
>
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>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 in Alaska |
Whoops...
Thanks guys, ...found him.
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
I'm fairly sure that was an RV in that clip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aerobatics in 601 series
Craig-
Everything's a tradeoff. You could scratchbuild a Sonex for about
1/2 the final price of a Zenith, but I'm sorry, the Sonex ranks in the
top 10 ugliest aircraft of all time. Sort of like that Toyota Scion
breadbox. Reliable, functional, affordable, but you have to park it in a
dark alley behind a dumpster.
You know, someone had a "Low and slow" clip from Youtube a couple
of days ago. I was really impressed, but my question is, "What was the
guy flying?" The pilot did a nice Immelman on the way home.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Aerospace Logic Fuel level indicator HELP |
I've installed the Aerospace logic FL100-R dual tank indicator in my 601XL
with float type senders.The sender range is from 10 ohms empty to 180 ohms
full.
The first instrument came apart at the switch and a month and a half and
over $500 later I received a replacent from them. The replacement will not
calibrate and sends error messages indicating the senders are not operating
properly (error 5 and 3).
I have pulled and verified all the wireing and have cut holes in the wings
to pull the senders to verify that they worked properly.
Has anyone had any experience with this instrument? The company does not
return calls or e-mails. I have over $1,000.00 tied up in this instrument now
and sure hate to start over with another type instrument.
Mike Sigman
N7092N 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
I am glad you asked this question, I was about to post the same
question. So far, not much response to the original question. I am
building a XL myself and do not plan on doing rolls or loops. My
initial, and very amateur thought, would be that the sonex would be a
better performer of aerobatics... More sensitive plane, shorter wing
design.. etc.. FWIF when I LOOK at the Sonex, I think performance! I
look past the uglyness. But, since I weigh 230lbs and most my passengers
seem to weigh near that, the Sonex was just too small a plane for me.
Hope this helps.
mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aerobatics in 601 series
I'm fairly sure that was an RV in that clip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aerobatics in 601 series
Craig-
Everything's a tradeoff. You could scratchbuild a Sonex for
about 1/2 the final price of a Zenith, but I'm sorry, the Sonex ranks in
the top 10 ugliest aircraft of all time. Sort of like that Toyota Scion
breadbox. Reliable, functional, affordable, but you have to park it in a
dark alley behind a dumpster.
You know, someone had a "Low and slow" clip from Youtube a
couple of days ago. I was really impressed, but my question is, "What
was the guy flying?" The pilot did a nice Immelman on the way home.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
Mike-
"Elbow room" was a major consideration in my choosing a Zenith over
a Sonex (Or KR-2, for that matter) too. Once you're faced with paying
for an engine, there's no doubt about it. You get more scoot for the
buck with a VW powered Sonex, but........
Like I said- everything's a tradeoff.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike H
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aerobatics in 601 series
I am glad you asked this question, I was about to post the same
question. So far, not much response to the original question. I am
building a XL myself and do not plan on doing rolls or loops. My
initial, and very amateur thought, would be that the sonex would be a
better performer of aerobatics... More sensitive plane, shorter wing
design.. etc.. FWIF when I LOOK at the Sonex, I think performance! I
look past the uglyness. But, since I weigh 230lbs and most my passengers
seem to weigh near that, the Sonex was just too small a plane for me.
Hope this helps.
mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aerobatics in 601 series
I'm fairly sure that was an RV in that clip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aerobatics in 601 series
Craig-
Everything's a tradeoff. You could scratchbuild a Sonex for
about 1/2 the final price of a Zenith, but I'm sorry, the Sonex ranks in
the top 10 ugliest aircraft of all time. Sort of like that Toyota Scion
breadbox. Reliable, functional, affordable, but you have to park it in a
dark alley behind a dumpster.
You know, someone had a "Low and slow" clip from Youtube a
couple of days ago. I was really impressed, but my question is, "What
was the guy flying?" The pilot did a nice Immelman on the way home.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
RV? OK. No matter what- It'd be a blast to fly with that guy.
Interesting thought. In what pastime other than flying is being
safe, conservative and boring considered a mark of excellence?
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
The Zenith web site lists +/- 6 gs as the "ultimate" load factor for
the Zodiac XL. I take that to mean the design load factor; the
loading that may cause the wings to fall off if exceeded at gross
weight. The maximum safe in-flight g loading of an airplane at gross
weight is the flight load factor and is usually rated at 2/3 of its
design load factor. In the case of the Zodiac, that would be +/- 4
g. The g loadings listed on the Sonex and RV web sites appear to be
flight load factors.
On Sep 21, 2006, at 3:35 PM, J2j3h4@aol.com wrote:
>
> I know that Zenith says the planes are not intended for aerobatics,
> but I can't believe that a plane would be designed for +/- 6 g at
> gross weight without aerobatics in mind. That is stronger than the
> RV's or Sonex, which are rated at +6 -3 g and that is at a reduced
> weight.
>
> That said, I'm sure it is capable of aerobatics, but the question
> is "How well does it do them?" I have about 2.5 hours of aerobatic
> instruction plus spin training and really enjoy it. I'm not
> interested in competition or extreme maneuvers, but enjoy an
> occasional loop or roll and combinations thereof. I've read many
> accounts from RV and Sonex pilots about how pleasant their planes
> are to fly in aerobatics, but I've never read any from Zenith
> pilots. I did read that Chris Heintz said (off the record) that
> the 601 is very pleasant in aerobatics, but I've never read any
> other comments.
>
> Jim Hasper
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
Bill,
The Dynon needs to be connected to a pitot/static
system. Which brand/kind of system is up to you.
However, if you want to get angle of attack, you have
to use the pitot that we sell.
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
--- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk"
> <naumuk@alltel.net>
>
> Dan-
> Forgive my ignorance, but speaking of pickups,
> does the Dynan connect to
> a standard pitot/static tube, something task
> dedicated, or is it totally
> independent?
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
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> FAQ,
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| Subject: | Re: Photo Share / Rock Throwing |
To afterfxllc,
I guess we are using quite different systems. I cannot stop the
attachment download with the delete key. That just deletes the msg
prior to the one downloading and the attachment continues to download.
If you stop the attachment downloading then you lose all following msgs.
The other approach is to use the daily summary, but that means opening
each msg as an internet msg. NOT a good way when on dial-up. But at
least it is possible to delete msgs with huge attachments.
Remember, Matte put a limit of 1 meg attachments a couple of months ago
due to this very discussion. Could we respect that without slinging
insults and expletives?
Not all parts of the world are wired for hi speed.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
OK, after taking one flight in the XL I was convinced it was the machine for me.
The day was clear but gusty. Flight Service was reporting 20 gusting to 35.
It really felt more like 15 with gusts to 30. Anyway up we went for my maiden
XL flight. The take offs and landing were performed by the instructor with
me following on the controls. I flew it un-assisted and tracked headings, steep
turns and all the practical pilot maneuvers.
The impression of this plane is stable with great rudder authority. All the landings
were crosswind that day.
If I were looking for an areobatic plane this wouldn't be the one. But I am looking
for stable cross country machine that I can build from plans.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63149#63149
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| Subject: | Aerobatics in 601 series |
The comments below the video said it was an RV4. I was more curious what
river in Washington it was.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom" <tomp@cogeco.ca>
I'm kinda afraid to say because I've been saying a couple of months for the past
three years but seriously now............ about a couple of months. [Shocked]
--------
Tom
http://tompizza.webhop.net
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Flap settings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
I had limited flap travel too. I think it was in the low 20's of degrees.
Since I've been flying, I find I use about half of the travel I have at most, so
I'd be inclined not to mess with it...unless you have a very short field.
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
111hrs XL/3300
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Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
Hello Jim,
Better will be if you go snd build an RV-4 that one is OK for aerobatics...
Happy flying.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
J2j3h4@aol.com wrote:
I know that Zenith says the planes are not intended for aerobatics, but I can't
believe that a plane would be designed for +/- 6 g at gross weight without
aerobatics in mind. That is stronger than the RV's or Sonex, which are rated
at +6 -3 g and that is at a reduced weight.
That said, I'm sure it is capable of aerobatics, but the question is "How well
does it do them?" I have about 2.5 hours of aerobatic instruction plus spin
training and really enjoy it. I'm not interested in competition or extreme
maneuvers, but enjoy an occasional loop or roll and combinations thereof. I've
read many accounts from RV and Sonex pilots about how pleasant their planes
are to fly in aerobatics, but I've never read any from Zenith pilots. I did
read that Chris Heintz said (off the record) that the 601 is very pleasant
in aerobatics, but I've never read any other comments.
I have searched the archives, but didn't find anyone that said they had done
aerobatics. C'mon guys, surely SOMEONE has.
Breathes there a man with soul so dead
That never to himself has said
"Hey what happens if I do this"
(With apologies to Sir Walter Scott)
I am trying to decide between a Zenith and a Sonex. The Zenith seems preferable
as a plane for cross country, but I just want to do something different once
in a while. My final choice will probably be based on whether and how well
(in terms of pleasant handling) the Zenith will do aerobatics.
Jim Hasper
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| Subject: | Parking brake valve block |
Does anyone know where to get a valve block to use for a parking brake on a
601XL? The attached picture is what I think I want but it is of Dragonfly
Aviation's plane which has dual brake pedals. My plane has the standard
single set of brake pedals.
-- Craig
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