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1. 04:22 AM - Re: Parking brake valve block (Robin Bellach)
2. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: It finally happened! (Robin Bellach)
3. 04:43 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/21/06 (Frank Derfler)
4. 06:24 AM - Re: 701 Trim tab (Roger Roy)
5. 06:46 AM - Re: Parking brake valve block (R.P.)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: 701 Trim tab (Robert L. Stone)
7. 07:25 AM - Dial up Users (Tom)
8. 07:26 AM - Re: Parking brake valve block (Jack Russell)
9. 07:31 AM - HDS Corvair POH (Brandon Tucker)
10. 07:53 AM - Re: Parking brake valve block (Craig Payne)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images (Gordon)
12. 09:55 AM - Re: Dial up Users (lnk@iowatelecom.net)
13. 10:05 AM - Hull insurance, hangered or not (Craig Payne)
14. 10:15 AM - AMD Zodiac??? (TYA2)
15. 10:17 AM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series ()
16. 01:06 PM - Re: It finally happened! (Gig Giacona)
17. 01:22 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Gig Giacona)
18. 01:36 PM - Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier (ernie)
19. 01:46 PM - Re: Dial up Users (Dave G.)
20. 01:52 PM - Re: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier (crvsecretary@aol.com)
21. 02:30 PM - Re: rudder on airline (Zed Smith)
22. 02:36 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (Michel Therrien)
23. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: It finally happened! (Dan Lykowski)
24. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: It finally happened! (Bill Naumuk)
25. 06:41 PM - Re: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier (Edward Moody II)
26. 06:41 PM - Trade Tricks, Visqueen for metal forming (Ron Lendon)
27. 06:47 PM - Re: Dial up Users (Dave Austin)
28. 07:26 PM - Re: Trade Tricks, Visqueen for metal forming (Jack Russell)
29. 07:57 PM - Re: 701 Trim tab (nyterminat@aol.com)
30. 08:01 PM - Panel layout Visio Stencils (Dave Thompson)
31. 08:12 PM - Re: pictures (Matt Dralle)
32. 08:29 PM - Re: Panel layout Visio Stencils (Ron Butterfield)
33. 09:53 PM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (J2j3h4@aol.com)
34. 10:44 PM - Re: 701 Trim tab (Gary Gower)
35. 11:26 PM - Scratch built spar finished (TxDave)
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake valve block |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
I'm installing the Matco PV-1. It's in Aircraft Spruce catalong and looks
like the one in your picture. $100+ as I recall. I'm putting it on the
firewall, opertated with a Bowden cable. It has 1/8 NPT female, two inlets
for the two master cylinder lines, and two outlets for the brake lines.
Robin in AR
N601ZV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:55 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Parking brake valve block
> Does anyone know where to get a valve block to use for a parking brake on
> a
> 601XL? The attached picture is what I think I want but it is of Dragonfly
> Aviation's plane which has dual brake pedals. My plane has the standard
> single set of brake pedals.
>
> -- Craig
>
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
What do you do if you want heated pitot? Hook heated pitot to Dynon and use
separate alternative AOA? (Since Dynon hints of developing a heated AOA
pitot but declines to project what year it might be available).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Lykowski" <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: It finally happened!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski
> <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
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> Bill,
> The Dynon needs to be connected to a pitot/static
> system. Which brand/kind of system is up to you.
> However, if you want to get angle of attack, you have
> to use the pitot that we sell.
>
> Dan Lykowski
> Dynon Avionics
>
> --- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
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>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk"
>> <naumuk@alltel.net>
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>> Dan-
>> Forgive my ignorance, but speaking of pickups,
>> does the Dynan connect to
>> a standard pitot/static tube, something task
>> dedicated, or is it totally
>> independent?
>> Bill Naumuk
>> HDS Fuselage
>> Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/21/06 |
Are there any owners of the AMD-Manufactured Zodiac 601 XL on this
discussion group? I expect to take delivery of a new Zodiac from AMD at the
beginning of September and I'm looking for any other owners of AMD-made
Zodiacs.
I know that I'm a bit intimidated by the ambition and skills of all the
builders on this discussion group, so maybe there are "lurkers" like me in
read only mode. If you wish, you can contact me off-group at
fderfler@gmail.com
I posted a similar note on the Yahoo discussion group, but haven't found any
other "off-the-shelf" Zodiac 601 XL flyers.
AMD Zodiac owners?
Frank Derfler
Waiting for N183AM
Marathon Airport
Florida Keys
see me Website at www.flyinflorida.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Trim tab |
I would like to talk with anyone using a trim tab on the ailerons due to
a wing heavy condition on a CH-701. I've tried twisting the wing via
wing struts, checked rigging, slats all within required tolerances. The
trim tab seems to be the only option left unless one of the 701 Guru's
can come up with another option, thanks
RJ
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake valve block |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R.P." <zodie@adelphia.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:55 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Parking brake valve block
> Does anyone know where to get a valve block to use for a parking brake on
> a
> 601XL? The attached picture is what I think I want but it is of Dragonfly
> Aviation's plane which has dual brake pedals. My plane has the standard
> single set of brake pedals.
>
> -- Craig
I used a couple of 1/4" shut-off valves cut into the lines between the
master cylinders and wheel cylinders. I installed brakes on all 4 pedals but
this will work either way.
Simple and inexpensive.
http://www.lightflyers.com/4h.jpg
http://www.lightflyers.com/4j.jpg
Rick Pitcher
601HD
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Trim tab |
Roger,
If you mean a adjustable trim tab why not try just a piece of
aluminum riveted to the trailing edge of the aileron on the low wing and
put a little bend in it. If that's not enough bend it a little more
after each flight. Of course if you carry a passenger you would need an
adjustable trim tab. I was warned that my XL might need aileron trim so
I am going to install an adjustable as I build
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Roy
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Trim tab
I would like to talk with anyone using a trim tab on the ailerons due
to a wing heavy condition on a CH-701. I've tried twisting the wing via
wing struts, checked rigging, slats all within required tolerances. The
trim tab seems to be the only option left unless one of the 701 Guru's
can come up with another option, thanks
RJ
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom" <tomp@cogeco.ca>
Both Outlook Express and Outlook have the ability to filter out messages that are
a user specified size and choose a number of different things to do with the
larger email. Look under the heading "Tools" FYI
--------
Tom
http://tompizza.webhop.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63217#63217
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake valve block |
Robin: I put the same valve on the firewall and what a hassle to bleed the brakes.
In order to get the bubbles out of the valve I have to break the connections
at the valve. If doing it again, I would keep the valve on the floor and keep
the lines running uphill to the pedals. Jack in Los Osos CA
Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote: I'm putting it on the
firewall,
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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Gents,
I would love to get my hands on a HDS / Corvair POH if anyone has already
generated one...
R/
Brandon Tucker
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| Subject: | Parking brake valve block |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Yup, that's the one: Matco Parking Brake Valve 06-17200. Vans also sells it
on their site.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
I asked Skyshop about the mounting issue that Jeff encountered. I have
ordered one of the units and wanted to know what I was up against.
Below is his response.
Gordon,
to answer your question about our electric flap kit for 701, here are our
observations:
- we have installed over 150 of these in our factory built 701s which were
built exactly to Zenith specifications
- there have been only 2 cases where customers told us the actuators were
too long and in each case there was minor adjustments that needed to be done
to the flaperon mixer. Essentially changing the lengths slightly of the all
thread which leads to the flaperons. These variations can be attributed to
inconsistencies or slight differences during manufacturing.
- some builders have tried to put the position sensor on the actuator but
the it is only available in one size and small mounting bracket has to be
made to accommodate the shorter stroke, it's not possible to put the sensor
on the actuator
Although we are busy we our new products from CZAW, we are still here to
help in support of 701 and 601 builders. (We still have summer discount on
selected overstock seats!)
Best regards,
Danny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey A Beachy" <beachyjeff@juno.com>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 3:41 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH701 and Attaching Images
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy <beachyjeff@juno.com>
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> I am working on installing my Skyshop purchased electric flap actuator in
> my CH701. It will not fit, and without sending it back, neither Danny nor
> I can figure out where the problem lies. Here are the details:
>
> When my 7C3-1 Flaperon Control Mount is in the neutral position (50mm
> from baggage compartment floor to the centerline of top tubes), the flap
> actuator is too large to fit between the bottom channel (7F10-1) and the
> mounting hole on the Flaperon Control Mount.
>
> Measurements:
>
> Between the bottom aft corner of the bottom channel to the mounting hole
> on Flaperon Control Mount, 175mm.
> Total length of extended actuator, from bottom aft corner of mounting
> bracket to center of mounting hole in extended actuator rod, 214mm.
> I will attach a picture showing measurements of my actuator.
>
> Unless I am brain dead, the total length of the extended actuator needs
> to be roughly 175mm to match the mounting hole in the bottom of the
> Flaperon Control Mount when the Control Mount is in the neutral position.
> So, either my actuator, which looks exactly like the one shown on
> Skyshop's site, is a different size or the distance between the bottom
> gear channel and the flaperon control mount on my plane is different for
> some reason. Danny told me to send it back so that he can ensure it is
> the correct one, which I will do if I have to, but I am hoping someone on
> the list has the Skyshop electric flaps installed and is willing to open
> the bottom panel and get some measurements for me.
>
> On an entirely different note, I receive the daily digest version of the
> Zenith list, which does not contain any attachments. I like the digest
> version, but miss not seeing any images. Is there any way to change this
> so that I can receive images with the digest version? Or is there a way
> to access them somehow on the list elsewhere?
>
> Thanks to all in advance. I'm having a blast building my 701, despite my
> present problems.
>
> Jeff Beachy
> CH701, 70% or so
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dial up Users |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: lnk@iowatelecom.net
Outlook also has the option to download the item description only
(header). Go to Tools -> Send/Receive Settings -> Define Send Receive
Groups, select the email account you use for this list and click on Edit.
Again select the account you use and select the radio button titled
Download item description only (applies to all messages) or check the
option to Download only item description for items larger than ... and set
the size to what ever you feel comfortable with.
Most free e-mail handlers have a similar option but you will have to poke
around to find it.
Hope this relieves some of the tension around here.
L. Kilburg
Bellevue, Iowa 601XL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom" <tomp@cogeco.ca>
>
> Both Outlook Express and Outlook have the ability to filter out messages
> that are a user specified size and choose a number of different things to
> do with the larger email. Look under the heading "Tools" FYI
>
> --------
> Tom
> http://tompizza.webhop.net
>
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| Subject: | Hull insurance, hangered or not |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Does anyone have any rough numbers for how much you save (if any) on hull
insurance if you plane is hangered or tied down outside? I'm trying to see
how much it would offset hanger rent.
-- Craig
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Dear Frank,
I don't know if your Zodiac is LSA but our family flies a Zenair CH2000
certified trainer and we feel at home in this group of manic and maniac
builders. Some stuff you take seriously, and some you just laugh
at. There are small numbers of non 601, 701, and 801 members on the list
and I am sure many will be anxiously asking for information from your pilot
operating handbook.
Reg
1995 CH2000 in Alberta, Canada
s/n 0010
At 07:42 AM 9/22/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>Are there any owners of the AMD-Manufactured Zodiac 601 XL on this
>discussion group? I expect to take delivery of a new Zodiac from AMD at
>the beginning of September and I'm looking for any other owners of
>AMD-made Zodiacs.
>
>I know that I'm a bit intimidated by the ambition and skills of all the
>builders on this discussion group, so maybe there are "lurkers" like me in
>read only mode. If you wish, you can contact me off-group at
><mailto:fderfler@gmail.com>fderfler@gmail.com
>
>I posted a similar note on the Yahoo discussion group, but haven't found
>any other "off-the-shelf" Zodiac 601 XL flyers.
>
>AMD Zodiac owners?
>
>Frank Derfler
>Waiting for N183AM
>Marathon Airport
>Florida Keys
>see me Website at <http://www.flyinflorida.com>www.flyinflorida.com
>
>
><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Restorative and surgical dentistry. I've made a living and earned a fair level
of trust being safe boring and conservative.
Ed Moody II
No guts..... no broken bones.
---- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
> RV? OK. No matter what- It'd be a blast to fly with that guy.
> Interesting thought. In what pastime other than flying is being safe, conservative
and boring considered a mark of excellence?
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Actually I misquoted him what he wrote was...
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar0706.html
On the horizon, the highly reputable Dynon company has said they're willing to
develop a Corvair specific EIS unit.
But I'm glad to hear that you are going to use the Corvair. It'll be nice to have
someone inside Dynon. I've been researching systems like yours for 3 years
now and IMHO Dynon has the best bang for the buck. Which is the same reason I'm
going with a Corvair.
Now we just have to make sure they play well together.
Just for the record the most recent announced updates really pushed you guys to
the front of the line.
engineerguy3737(at)yahoo. wrote:
> We don't plan on coming out with a probe, he did misquote a little.
> ---
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63273#63273
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Below are the "Aerobatic Category" Specs from the Sonex website. Note that the
Sonex attains +6 g's at a MGW of only 950 lbs. When you get it up to it's normal
MGW the max g's are +4.
The max g's quoted for the 601 are based on the real MGW.
Aerobatic Category 80 hp 2180 AeroVee 80 hp Jabiru 120 hp Jabiru
Gross Weight - Aerobatic 950 lbs 950 lbs 950 lbs
Baggage (Max) 10 lbs 10 lbs 10 lbs
Rate of Climb 1000-1250 fpm 1000-1250 fpm 2000+ fpm
Positive Load Factor +6.0 Gs +6.0 Gs +6.0 Gs
Negative Load Factor -3.0 Gs -3.0 Gs -3.0 Gs
CG Limits 25-29% Wing Chord 25-29% Wing Chord 25-29% Wing Chord
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63275#63275
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| Subject: | Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier |
Hi,
Should be placing my airline tickets tonight, I am wondering has anyone have
any
troubles taking the rudder home by air carrier.
Any Tips?
Ernie
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Dial up Users |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave G." <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: lnk@iowatelecom.net
>
> Outlook also has the option to download the item description only
There are any number of things a user with restricted ability can do to
maximize their online experience. Complaining about the abilities that
others enjoy is by far the most popular. Learning how to allow the computer
to ease their burden is a far distant second.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier |
Hello Ernie:
Are you looking to ship your newly-assembled rudder as checked baggage?
DON'T !! Baggage handlers will make that thing unusable - look what they do to
perfectly good luggage !!!!
My opinion is to pay the $$$ for crating and shipping and let it go via UPS. Another
suggestion is to leave the rudder at Zenith and have them ship it to you
with the tail kit you WILL order after you have so much fun at the rudder workshop.
Have a GREAT time !!
Tracy Smith
N458XL Reserved
working on wings
-----Original Message-----
From: ernieth@gmail.com
Sent: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier
Hi,
Should be placing my airline tickets tonight, I am wondering has anyone have any
troubles taking the rudder home by air carrier.
Any Tips?
Ernie
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| Subject: | re: rudder on airline |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
It won't be a problem. Of course TSA may want to see the inside.
Best of luck,
Zed/701/912/etc do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
IMNSHO, the Zodiac is not an aerobatic platform at
all. It is possible that the wings and spars are
strong, but the fuselage and tail attachment are
flimsy when compared to those of aerobatics planes.
I would not be excited to see the horizontal stab
and/or rudder leave the plane in a demanding
manoeuver.
OH... And I would not trust my seat 0.040" thick belt
attachment points for repeated stresses...
Michel
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
Gig,
I know what WW site says on his site..
I believe what was said was, "Dynon does not officially support the Corvair engine,
but is willing to help anyone who wants to get it working."
But I would have to dig up the actual email.
But yes, since I am building a Corvair, I am looking in to it.
I think the best bet so far is the link that was posted a few days ago..
http://www.msdignition.com/2006/06-22.htm
I will be ordering one to try out as soon as my wife lets me have some money.
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
----- Original Message ----
From: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:04:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: It finally happened!
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Actually I misquoted him what he wrote was...
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar0706.html
On the horizon, the highly reputable Dynon company has said they're willing to
develop a Corvair specific EIS unit.
But I'm glad to hear that you are going to use the Corvair. It'll be nice to have
someone inside Dynon. I've been researching systems like yours for 3 years
now and IMHO Dynon has the best bang for the buck. Which is the same reason I'm
going with a Corvair.
Now we just have to make sure they play well together.
Just for the record the most recent announced updates really pushed you guys to
the front of the line.
engineerguy3737(at)yahoo. wrote:
> We don't plan on coming out with a probe, he did misquote a little.
> ---
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Dan-
Good news. Now I don't have to putty up all the holes I drilled in my
outboard wing for the pick-up tubes! I figure a the weight saving of a Dynon
system will offset all those extra A5 instead of A4 rivets.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Lykowski" <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: It finally happened!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski
> <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
>
> Bill,
> The Dynon needs to be connected to a pitot/static
> system. Which brand/kind of system is up to you.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier |
Ernie you probably don't want to hassle with that. It might get
mishandled and dented in transit anyway. I foyu are impressed enough to
want to order the complete kit or one or more sub-kits, just have Zenith
ship the rudder to you with the kit. That's what I did and it arrived
nicely padded all safe and sound in the crate. Didn't need the rudder
hanging around before the rest of the parts got here and it did not cost
any extra to get it here.
Enjoy the workshop and I hope you like the demo flight enough to start
building the rest. Which plane are you interested in?
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL / firewall
----- Original Message -----
From: ernie
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air
carrier
Hi,
Should be placing my airline tickets tonight, I am wondering has
anyone have any
troubles taking the rudder home by air carrier.
Any Tips?
Ernie
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| Subject: | Trade Tricks, Visqueen for metal forming |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Scratch Builders,
I just had a pleasant experience making the Hat Stiffeners. I wrapped some .004
mil visqueen around the metal before bending, just one layer on each side of
the metal. No tool marks :D from the press brake tools.
I will try it using the leaf break also and let you know.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Dial up Users |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@can.rogers.com>
Mr Kilburg,
I think you have the answer. Will try it.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Trade Tricks, Visqueen for metal forming |
ron. newspaper works also. Jack
Ron Lendon <rlendon@comcast.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron
Lendon"
Scratch Builders,
I just had a pleasant experience making the Hat Stiffeners. I wrapped some .004
mil visqueen around the metal before bending, just one layer on each side of
the metal. No tool marks :D from the press brake tools.
I will try it using the leaf break also and let you know.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Trim tab |
I changed the bungee on the elevator cable to the other cable and that cleared
up my left wing heavy condition, simple fix.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX CH701/912S 82hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: savannah174@msn.com
Sent: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Trim tab
I would like to talk with anyone using a trim tab on the ailerons due to a wing
heavy condition on a CH-701. I've tried twisting the wing via wing struts, checked
rigging, slats all within required tolerances. The trim tab seems to be
the only option left unless one of the 701 Guru's can come up with another option,
thanks
RJ
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| Subject: | Panel layout Visio Stencils |
Hi guys,
Back in July I posted a drawing that I made for a proposed 601XL panel on
the photo share.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/dave.thompson@verizon.net.07.04.2006/
As I said in that post, I drew it using Microsoft Visio. I have created a
collection of instrument stencils and have shared them with several people
on this list. In the Panel outline stencil, I include Q200, 601XL and
Pietenpol panel outlines.
I have had a request for 701 and 801 panel outlines. Could someone please
send me off list a line drawing with measurements of either or both panels?
Perhaps a scan from the bulkhead plans page. I will then be able to draw
them to the standard scale and add them to the stencils. I still do not have
access to an FTP server. With that in mind, I will send anyone a copy of
stencils that wants them, but it will come in four e-mails due to the large
file size. I will also include an 18 page user guide that I wrote to get you
started. If interested, write me off list and I will send them to you.
No attached pictures of scotchbrite pads (-:
Dave Thompson
dave.thompson@verizon.net
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At 09:43 AM 9/22/2006 Friday, you wrote:
>Greetings Matt,
>
>It just took me over an hour to down load the latest pictures from the Zenith
list. Apparently the request to limit the size of pictures is falling on deaf
ears. I thought that you had initiated a program that automatically suppressed
oversized messages? If in fact you have such a program, it is not working.
I contacted my ISP to see if they could screen message size but they claim
it can not be done. My next step will be to unsubscribe as I would rather be
working on my plane than wasting my time getting these unwanted photos.
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>Dick Neitzel
>Sayner, WI
>701 builder
Dick,
Are you sure that your modem didn't connect at a very slow rate for some reason?
Below is a listing of all of the enclosures that were posted to the Zenith-List
during the Month of September so far. Email encoding might increase the size
shown by 30-40%. No given email message was larger than 1MB even with the
enclosures. These 22 days adds up to roughly 6 to 9MB total depending on the
encoding. Divided by 22 days, that's less than 300,000 bytes per day on the average.
Combining today and yesterday's posts, there were only 428KB of enclosures posted
to the Zenith-List.
During the month of September so far, four posting were rejected due to a message
size that exceeded the 1MB limit. Respectively, these four email message sizes
were: 1.4MB, 1.6MB, 1.08MB, and 1.6MB. So, even if the rejected messages
had made it though, the total impact would have still have been minimal.
I am suspecting either that your modem is connecting at a very slow rate (2400
baud) instead of 28,800 or 57,600 which is substantially increasing your download
times. Or, you are receiving email from another source other than the Matronics
Lists that contains large enclosure data (perhaps some spam messages that
are being automatically redirected to a trash folder.)
Hope this helps you track down the problem.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Emacs!
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| Subject: | Re: Panel layout Visio Stencils |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Butterfield" <ron.butterfield@gmail.com>
On 9/22/06, Dave Thompson <dave.thompson@verizon.net> wrote:
> I have had a request for 701 and 801 panel outlines. Could someone please
> send me off list a line drawing with measurements of either or both panels?
Here's the 701:
http://www.zenair.com/data/model-701-dwg-4-2003.pdf (page 17)
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Regards,
RonB
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in 601 series |
I wish I could - I started an RV-7, but then learned I could not pass my
medical, so am flying as a Sport Pilot now and looking for an alternative
aircraft.
Jim
do not archive
In a message dated 9/22/2006 1:25:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
ggower_99@yahoo.com writes:
Hello Jim,
Better will be if you go snd build an RV-4 that one is OK for aerobatics...
Happy flying.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
J2j3h4@aol.com wrote:
I know that Zenith says the planes are not intended for aerobatics, but I
can't believe that a plane would be designed for +/- 6 g at gross weight
without aerobatics in mind. That is stronger than the RV's or Sonex, which are
rated at +6 -3 g and that is at a reduced weight.
That said, I'm sure it is capable of aerobatics, but the question is "How
well does it do them?" I have about 2.5 hours of aerobatic instruction plus
spin training and really enjoy it. I'm not interested in competition or
extreme maneuvers, but enjoy an occasional loop or roll and combinations thereof.
I've read many accounts from RV and Sonex pilots about how pleasant their
planes are to fly in aerobatics, but I've never read any from Zenith pilots.
I
did read that Chris Heintz said (off the record) that the 601 is very
pleasant in aerobatics, but I've never read any other comments.
I have searched the archives, but didn't find anyone that said they had done
aerobatics. C'mon guys, surely SOMEONE has.
Breathes there a man with soul so dead
That never to himself has said
"Hey what happens if I do this"
(With apologies to Sir Walter Scott)
I am trying to decide between a Zenith and a Sonex. The Zenith seems
preferable as a plane for cross country, but I just want to do something different
once in a while. My final choice will probably be based on whether and how
well (in terms of pleasant handling) the Zenith will do aerobatics.
Jim Hasper
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Trim tab |
Hello Roger,
My 701 flys hand off once in cruise, is a little heavy to a side only at power
(climb) given the engine torque.
In your plane has to be something with the rigging or the assemble of the wings...
I note in your address that is a Savannah... Probably is the same or very similar
construction in the wings as the 701, given is a pirate copy of the 701.
Start with the most easy: messurements of the wings with the fusselage perfectly
level. and the stabilator level also with the fuselage.
Then find a way to see if the wings are not twisted when assembly, I dont know
how to do it installed... This is checked in the assemble table before installed
in the fusselage.
Depends the amount of "heavyness" of the wing when flying, is how dangerous could
be to continue fly it now the way it is.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Roger Roy <savannah174@msn.com> wrote: I would like to talk with anyone using
a trim tab on the ailerons due to a wing heavy condition on a CH-701. I've
tried twisting the wing via wing struts, checked rigging, slats all within
required tolerances. The trim tab seems to be the only option left unless one
of the 701 Guru's can come up with another option, thanks
RJ
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| Subject: | Scratch built spar finished |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
For all you scratch builders who are intimidated by the prospect of building your
spars, I have good news. It isn't that hard. I finished my right spar today.
With the lessons learned from that experience I figure the left one will take
1/3 the time to complete. Special thanks to David Barth, Randy Bryant, and Herb
Heaton, who all crossed this bridge before me. Their advice was invaluable.
Also thanks to Debo Cox for helping me figure out a way to bend my spar cap
angles. And of course, thanks to Mr. Scott Laughlin for always answering my stupid
questions.
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
601 Scratch Builder
http://www.daves601xl.com
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