---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/23/06: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: pictures (Monty Graves) 2. 05:30 AM - Re: Scratch built spar finished (leinad) 3. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: pictures (Dave G.) 4. 07:20 AM - Re: Aerobatics in 601 series (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 5. 07:29 AM - Jab 3300 CHT Duct Mod Photos (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 6. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: pictures (Bill Naumuk) 7. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Scratch built spar finished (Bill Naumuk) 8. 08:37 AM - Re: Scratch built spar finished (TxDave) 9. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: pictures (Monty Graves) 10. 11:17 AM - Re: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier (Robert Schoenberger) 11. 12:02 PM - Re: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier (ernie) 12. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: pictures (Matt Dralle) 13. 01:35 PM - Re: Re: Scratch built spar finished (Bill Naumuk) 14. 01:37 PM - Re: Scratch built spar finished (Ron Lendon) 15. 01:56 PM - Prepping canopy for paint (LarryMcFarland) 16. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: pictures (Bill Naumuk) 17. 02:06 PM - Re: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier (Bill Naumuk) 18. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Scratch built spar finished (Jim Hoak) 19. 02:50 PM - Grove Gear help on 601XL, me too (Robin Bellach) 20. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: pictures (Zodie Rocket) 21. 04:03 PM - Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH 701 (Jim Fosse) 22. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Scratch built spar finished (Wade Jones) 23. 04:30 PM - Re: Familiarization Flight time--2nd try (george may) 24. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Familiarization Flight time--2nd try (Craig Payne) 25. 06:15 PM - Re: Scratch built spar finished (leinad) 26. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: Scratch built spar finished (Bill Naumuk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:08 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures Hi Matt. The file size was fine, and I personally appreciate folks taking the time to reduce the images down to under 200kb the problem in this instance with the long download time, was the poster placed several as in 5-6 images in one email. making them a total of 1/2 MB download. It makes no difference if its one big attachment, or several smaller ones all in one email......... a 1 MB email, takes about 20 minutes to download on my 26000 buad rate (fastest possible on my dial where I live.) The poster didn't know. He made and honest effort, and still caught flak over it.... I appreciate the effort. They were good pictures, I enjoyed seeing them, and I hope he sells his plane. If he had placed each picture in a separate email it wouldn't have been a problem for dial up users. I am not trying to ruffle any feathers this time. Or whining. Just trying to explain what took place. I can live with Matts limit of 1Mb restriction, although I would vote to see it reduced to 300kb.... :-) (which, that size image fills the screen anyway) But its not up to me. Anything larger than 1/2 MB download for dial up users is going to cause a problem, wether its a single 1/2 MB file or a group of smaller files attatched...totaling 1/2 MB And yes most dial up users can figure out how to delete the huge files that hang up our email downloads. But then we don't get to see the pictures.... And ADMIRE your handy work. (the point of posting the picture in the first place) So if you want all of us to see your photos......... keep the images around 200-300 kb in file size, and add them as single attachments everyone will be happy. :-) Sincerely, Monty Graves >Are you sure that your modem didn't connect at a very slow rate for some >reason? > >Below is a listing of all of the enclosures that were posted to the >Zenith-List during the Month of September so far. Email encoding might >increase the size shown by 30-40%. No given email message was larger >than 1MB even with the enclosures. These 22 days adds up to roughly 6 to >9MB total depending on the encoding. Divided by 22 days, that's less than >300,000 bytes per day on the average. > >Combining today and yesterday's posts, there were only 428KB of enclosures >posted to the Zenith-List. > >During the month of September so far, four posting were rejected due to a >message size that exceeded the 1MB limit. Respectively, these four email >message sizes were: 1.4MB, 1.6MB, 1.08MB, and 1.6MB. So, even if the >rejected messages had made it though, the total impact would have still >have been minimal. > >I am suspecting either that your modem is connecting at a very slow rate >(2400 baud) instead of 28,800 or 57,600 which is substantially increasing >your download times. Or, you are receiving email from another source >other than the Matronics Lists that contains large enclosure data (perhaps >some spam messages that are being automatically redirected to a trash folder.) > >Hope this helps you track down the problem. > >Best regards, > >Matt Dralle > > >a0fbe80.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished From: "leinad" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" Dave, Thanks for the post and the web sight. I recently finished scratch building my spars (I thought). When reviewing the Zenith instructions I realized I had used soft AN470A-6-- rivets, not the required AN470AD-6-s. Ugh! I had remove them all, and am now waiting for the correct rivets from ACS.. on back order. Oh well, there are lots of other parts to make. I relate this for those scratch builders who might make the same mistake. Again, I love the web sight! Keep up the good work. Dan Dempsey -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63374#63374 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:39 AM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave G." Hi Monty, I coped with dial up for some time, and still do from time to time. Here is how I have my dial connection set up using Outlook express. There are better programs out there but OE seems the most used. On dial, I limited the size of downloads for individual messages to 25 KB, that is small and you might choose another number. That allowed me to quickly retrieve almost all text based messages. All un-retrieved messages were left on the server. I manually tagged many of them for deletion and left the computer to retrieve all messages left on the server by itself after midnight. This allowed me to cope with many lists and not sit by the computer waiting for downloads. It can be done, I know a journalist who worked with foreign correspondents who would send several minutes of video through very slow dial lines while they were out doing other work. It hasn't come up but using rich text (html) and staionary is a huge load on dial connections that has no value at all. It often doubles the size of the file. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi Matt. > >The file size was fine, and I personally appreciate folks taking the time >to reduce the images down to under 200kb > >the problem in this instance with the long download time, was the poster >placed several as in 5-6 images in one email. >making them a total of 1/2 >MB download. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:45 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aerobatics in 601 series Jim, what did you do with the RV 7 ? I am looking for a new project now that my XL is completed and a RV would be a nice new challenge, Best regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:25 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 CHT Duct Mod Photos Dear Thread Friends, Fred Hulens was nice enough to receive the 8 photos I took of the duct mods I made that dropped CHT 70 degrees. I asked him to somehow make them available to the rest of us and I hope he can. Best regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:13 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures Monty- If you're using IE, isn't there a little paper clip to the left of the message line indicating there's an attachment? If there is, right click, go to "Properties" and it will tell you how big the file is. You can then choose whether to open the post. Where the heck do you live that only offers 28K service?? I have a buddy of mine that lives in Point Barrow, Alaska, and his DSL service is better than mine!! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Monty Graves To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures Hi Matt. The file size was fine, and I personally appreciate folks taking the time to reduce the images down to under 200kb the problem in this instance with the long download time, was the poster placed several as in 5-6 images in one email. making them a total of 1/2 MB download. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:11 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" Dan- You had me really worried with your post, and was contemplating suicide until I reviewed the HDS plans. They call for ADs with no suffix. I sure would have asked Zenith if "Straight" ADs were acceptable for your project before tearing my spars back down! DEFINITELY ARCHIVE!! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "leinad" Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" > > Dave, > Thanks for the post and the web sight. > I recently finished scratch building my spars (I thought). When reviewing > the Zenith instructions I realized I had used soft AN470A-6-- rivets, not > the required AN470AD-6-s. > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished From: "TxDave" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" Hey Bill, I believe Dan was correct. According to AC 43.13-1B page 4-17 the AN470 "A" rivets have a shear strength of 10,000 psi and a bearing strength of 25,000 psi. The AN470 "AD" rivets have a shear strength of 30,000 psi and a bearing strength of 100,000 psi. The XL plans do call for the "AD" rivets. I almost made the same mistake as Dan but was saved by the good folks at ACS. By the way, Bill, I always enjoy reading your postings. You're an asset to this forum. Dave Clay Temple, TX Ch601XL scratch builder http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63408#63408 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:07 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures You have missed the point completely, along with many others. Please don't take any offense at this, because none was intended.... Dial up folks don't want to delete anything. They would like to see the attachments just like everyone else. DSL can not be offered in my area until fiber optic trunk lines are laid. Which I doubt happens in the next 5 years. Not enough people live in the country to justify the expense for the phone companies, the only other option I have is direct satellite Internet.. I have checked into it, its still considerably more expensive than city folks pay for DSL, with limits on max MB download limits. Dial up is the only choice if no DSL is available in your area....... , any rural area really outside of a town or city limits all over the midwest, I live in Central MO, 19 miles from the nearest Wal-Mart But I got a 1600 grass strip 100 ft from my front door....... with a nice 50 x 60 hangar, eat your heart out. :-) we need to move on to something other than this picture thing. It will work out in time. My post to Matt was to clear up what exactly happened to cause dial up folks problems. Monty Graves 701 plans builder and full time farmer in Mid MO At 10:41 AM 9/23/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Monty- > If you're using IE, isn't there a little paper clip to the left of > the message line indicating there's an attachment? If there is, right > click, go to "Properties" and it will tell you how big the file is. You > can then choose whether to open the post. > Where the heck do you live that only offers 28K service?? I have a > buddy of mine that lives in Point Barrow, Alaska, and his DSL service is > better than mine!! >Bill Naumuk >HDS Fuselage >Townville, Pa >----- Original Message ----- >From: Monty Graves >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:36 AM >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures > > >Hi Matt. > >The file size was fine, and I personally appreciate folks taking the time >to reduce the images down to under 200kb > >the problem in this instance with the long download time, was the poster >placed several as in 5-6 images in one email. making them a total of 1/2 >MB download. >> > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:40 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger Eriie . . . it's pretty big, and it's fragile from a dent standpoint. Why not let ZAC ship it with the rest of your tail kit? I wouldn't risk taking it on the plane homr. If you decide not to go ahead, you probably won't want the rudder anyway. Robert Schoenberger, 701 ernie wrote: > Hi, > > Should be placing my airline tickets tonight, I am wondering has > anyone have any > troubles taking the rudder home by air carrier. > Any Tips? > Ernie > > > Do Not Archive > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:47 PM PST US From: ernie Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier Thanks everyone. Looks like it will be shipped by zenith. Not sure what I was thinking, I guess it would have worked itself out there. My plan is go component plan starting with Tail, Wings, Fuselage, or tail fuselage wings. ernie Do Not Archive. On 9/22/06, ernie wrote: > > Hi, > > Should be placing my airline tickets tonight, I am wondering has anyone > have any > troubles taking the rudder home by air carrier. > Any Tips? > Ernie > > > Do Not Archive > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:00 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle At 03:36 AM 9/23/2006 Saturday, you wrote: >Hi Matt. > > > >It makes no difference if its one big attachment, or several smaller ones all in one email......... a 1 MB email, takes about 20 minutes to download on my 26000 buad rate (fastest possible on my dial where I live.) Monty, my point is that it shouldn't take 20 minutes to download a 1MB file over a 28800 modem connection. Here's the math: 1,000,000 bytes X 10 bits (8bits in a byte plus a start and stop bit) -------------------------------------------------- 10,000,000 bits 10,000,000 bits / 28800 bits per second -------------------------------------------------- 347 seconds 347 seconds / 60 seconds per minute -------------------------------------------------- 5.78 minutes total download time. Based on your 20 minute download time, your effective download rate is on the order of 8323 baud, not 28800 baud. You might want to take a look at your modem and phone line and make sure everything is working correctly. You could find a new modem or configuration change might yield a 4 to 5 times increase in throughput. Matt Dralle Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:59 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" Dave- I thought all spar rivets were AD. Dan said his plans called for AD-S. The "S" is what threw me. Regardless, I'm just a happy camper that I don't have a batch of the wrong rivets buried in my outboard wings. I don't think I could take having to rebuild them again. Not when I have the rear fuse in clecos, ready to tear apart and polish the sides and bottom tommorow. Sometimes I'm an asset, sometimes I use the list as depression therapy. Whatever it takes to make progress. Good building. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "TxDave" Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" > > Hey Bill, > I believe Dan was correct. According to AC 43.13-1B page 4-17 the AN470 > "A" rivets have a shear strength of 10,000 psi and a bearing strength of > 25,000 psi. The AN470 "AD" rivets have a shear strength of 30,000 psi and > a bearing strength of 100,000 psi. The XL plans do call for the "AD" > rivets. I almost made the same mistake as Dan but was saved by the good > folks at ACS. By the way, Bill, I always enjoy reading your postings. > You're an asset to this forum. > > Dave Clay > Temple, TX > Ch601XL scratch builder > http://www.daves601xl.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63408#63408 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished From: "Ron Lendon" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" Nice work Dave, I just logged in to ask if the 5/16 attachment holes should go in now (laying out spars) or at assembly. I noticed from your pictures that you didn't put them in yet, so neither will I. I will just save it for latter. This list saves me yet again! -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63443#63443 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:44 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: Prepping canopy for paint --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland Hi guys, I've finished the wings and now the fuselage is standing in the booth. The canopy will be removed, but I'm bothered by the etch solution and the lacquer thinner that will be used on the side panels that are attached to the acrylic canopy bubble. It's a certainty that when the panels are etched and rinsed, some of the etch and lacquer thinner that's used to prep the aluminum will leak thru the riveted skin and contact the acrylic. Is there a better way to minimize this or avoid damage to the plastic? I used an atomizer for the etch on the wings, rinsed them and did a wipe and blow dry prior to primer. Assuming all exposed acrylic is masked suitably, what about the plastic that is beneath the aluminum. Any opinions or ideas that improve this situation? Larry McFarland - 601HDS at 85 hours, painting since April at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:56 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures Monty- I live in the boondocks of N/W Pa., 18 miles from the nearest Wal-Mart, and my next-door neighbor has a pasture that has about 2000' usable. For better or worse, I built a 601 series that isn't a good match for the pasture. I'm really at a loss as to what you're asking of people when they post. A file is a file, no matter what method you use to open it. Even if listers break their post into bite size pieces, you still have to open all the pieces, which will take more time than a single send. I'm afraid you're in a no win situation. Good building! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Monty Graves To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures You have missed the point completely, along with many others. Please don't take any offense at this, because none was intended.... Dial up folks don't want to delete anything. They would like to see the attachments just like everyone else. DSL can not be offered in my area until fiber optic trunk lines are laid. Which I doubt happens in the next 5 years. Not enough people live in the country to justify the expense for the phone companies, the only other option I have is direct satellite Internet.. I have checked into it, its still considerably more expensive than city folks pay for DSL, with limits on max MB download limits. Dial up is the only choice if no DSL is available in your area....... , any rural area really outside of a town or city limits all over the midwest, I live in Central MO, 19 miles from the nearest Wal-Mart But I got a 1600 grass strip 100 ft from my front door....... with a nice 50 x 60 hangar, eat your heart out. :-) we need to move on to something other than this picture thing. It will work out in time. My post to Matt was to clear up what exactly happened to cause dial up folks problems. Monty Graves 701 plans builder and full time farmer in Mid MO At 10:41 AM 9/23/2006 -0400, you wrote: Monty- If you're using IE, isn't there a little paper clip to the left of the message line indicating there's an attachment? If there is, right click, go to "Properties" and it will tell you how big the file is. You can then choose whether to open the post. Where the heck do you live that only offers 28K service?? I have a buddy of mine that lives in Point Barrow, Alaska, and his DSL service is better than mine!! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Monty Graves To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures Hi Matt. The file size was fine, and I personally appreciate folks taking the time to reduce the images down to under 200kb the problem in this instance with the long download time, was the poster placed several as in 5-6 images in one email. making them a total of 1/2 MB download. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:39 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier Ernie- Here's my two buck's worth: If you can get through the stab and elevator without a hitch, you've got it made. You also get all the skills you need for the rest of the project. I think all kit providers start with the rudder because it's the cheapest, but completing the stab and elevator will give you more skills, confidence, and everything else you need to actually finish a project. A bit more expensive, but a better indication of things to come. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: ernie To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Class ; Taking the rudder home by air carrier Thanks everyone. Looks like it will be shipped by zenith. Not sure what I was thinking, I guess it would have worked itself out there. My plan is go component plan starting with Tail, Wings, Fuselage, or tail fuselage wings. ernie Do Not Archive. On 9/22/06, ernie wrote: Hi, Should be placing my airline tickets tonight, I am wondering has anyone have any troubles taking the rudder home by air carrier. Any Tips? Ernie Do Not Archive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://forums.matronics.com http://wiki.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:01 PM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" Dan, You will find that you will have to have quite a bit heavier bucking bar and at least a 3X gun for those AD-6 rivets unless you are using a press to set them. Those "A" rivets sure were easy to set though weren't they? I'm glad you caught this. It would have been a bad situation if you hadn't. I know of a Thorpe T-18 that came apart in flight because the builder did the same thing but no one caught it! Jim Hoak do not archive Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished > I recently finished scratch building my spars (I thought). When reviewing > the Zenith instructions I realized I had used soft AN470A-6-- rivets, not > the required AN470AD-6-s. Ugh! I had remove them all, and am now waiting > for the correct rivets from ACS.. on back order. Oh well, there are lots > of other parts to make. > I relate this for those scratch builders who might make the same mistake. > Again, I love the web sight! Keep up the good work. > Dan Dempsey > > -------- > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63374#63374 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:23 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Grove Gear help on 601XL, me too --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> I got the Gear Kit from ZAC except for the spring gear, and I have the Grove gear on order. From what I can determine it will mount essentially the same except that the bolts on the main gear support brakets will need to be moved closer together to properly fit the narrower Grove gear. The question I have is whether it is better to use the ZAC supplied pieces of rubber pipe per the plans and kit, or to use the Grove radius blocks, or a combination of both to reduce the twisting strain on the longerons. I sure wish I had ordered the Grove gear back when they quoted me $900 gun-drilled, as it now is $1.330. It's a substantial weight savings, but nearly twice the price of the ZAC gear. Bottom line I think is that you will need to either weld up a new set of support brackets or cut and reweld the bolts on the factory ones. I'm waiting for delivery of the gear in order to determine the correct placement of the bolts. Also, I'm wondering if before redoing the bolts, if it might be wise to wait and let a preliminary weight and balance determine if the narrower gear should be centered in the gear channel, or possible offset fore or aft as needed for better weight balance. I know there are people using the 601XL Grove gear, but like you, I find little helpful discussion in the archives. Robin in AR N601ZV ----- Original Message ----- From: "BobTezyk" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Grove Gear help on 601XL > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "BobTezyk" > > This post is directed to the folks who have experience installing the > Grove landing gear on a 601XL. > > I am about to order a quick build kit from Zenith and have decided I want > the Grove gear. I do not know how much of the gear mounting is finished > on the quick build kit. Grove was not able to provide any insight so I > was wondering if anyone who has experience with the installation can > comment on what mods I will need to do to fit this gear. Any pictures or > other information you could share either on or off list would be > appreciated. > > I have searched the archive and could not find a great deal on the > subject. > > Regards, > > Bob Tezyk > bob@eaglesnestestates.org > Dallas, TX. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:53 PM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: pictures --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" Though I'm not bitching about the photo size as I appreciate the ability to see pictures now, I do oftentimes use my cell phone hooked up to my laptop, and if you think dial up is slow you should see my cell bills! But, be that as it may, my only suggestion is for you folks sending pictures to really cut them down to 50kbs, then if anyone requires a higher quality just send them the 1 meg file directly. It doesn't matter either way to me, typically if I get nailed with a large download over my cell phone I'm at a coffee shop anyways. I'll just have another Java until I get to see the picture. Cdngoose Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: pictures --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle At 03:36 AM 9/23/2006 Saturday, you wrote: >Hi Matt. > > > >It makes no difference if its one big attachment, or several smaller ones all in one email......... a 1 MB email, takes about 20 minutes to download on my 26000 buad rate (fastest possible on my dial where I live.) Monty, my point is that it shouldn't take 20 minutes to download a 1MB file over a 28800 modem connection. Here's the math: 1,000,000 bytes X 10 bits (8bits in a byte plus a start and stop bit) -------------------------------------------------- 10,000,000 bits 10,000,000 bits / 28800 bits per second -------------------------------------------------- 347 seconds 347 seconds / 60 seconds per minute -------------------------------------------------- 5.78 minutes total download time. Based on your 20 minute download time, your effective download rate is on the order of 8323 baud, not 28800 baud. You might want to take a look at your modem and phone line and make sure everything is working correctly. You could find a new modem or configuration change might yield a 4 to 5 times increase in throughput. Matt Dralle Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft -- 9/22/2006 -- 9/22/2006 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:30 PM PST US From: "Jim Fosse" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Skyshop Electric Flaps for CH 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" Jeffrey. I assume you have mounted your actuator on the aft side of the bottom channel. I did that too with the same results you describe. I mounted mine on top of the channel. It's been a while but if I recall correctly I riveted a .040 or .060 doubler plate to the top of the channel and mounted the actuator mount bracket there. You have enough wiggle room to get the correct distance for actuator travel. I mounted the position sensor approx half way to the top tube using a model airplane clevis and rod. Exact position requires trial and error temporary mounting to get the correct travel of the sensor arm. The sensor fits nicely to the vertical angle on the seat back and the wire rod is tied to the flaperon tube with an "S" bend. Hope this helps. Jim Fosse N329F/Airworthiness inspection passed with flying colors on Sep. 20. Hope to fly next week. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:26 PM PST US From: "Wade Jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wade Jones" Hello group ,you may want to keep in mind that all AD rivets have a small dimple in the center for identification ,soft are plan ,no dimple. Wade ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" > > Dave- > I thought all spar rivets were AD. Dan said his plans called for AD-S. > The "S" is what threw me. > Regardless, I'm just a happy camper that I don't have a batch of the > wrong rivets buried in my outboard wings. I don't think I could take > having to rebuild them again. Not when I have the rear fuse in clecos, > ready to tear apart and polish the sides and bottom tommorow. > Sometimes I'm an asset, sometimes I use the list as depression therapy. > Whatever it takes to make progress. > Good building. > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuselage > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TxDave" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:36 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" >> >> Hey Bill, >> I believe Dan was correct. According to AC 43.13-1B page 4-17 the AN470 >> "A" rivets have a shear strength of 10,000 psi and a bearing strength of >> 25,000 psi. The AN470 "AD" rivets have a shear strength of 30,000 psi and >> a bearing strength of 100,000 psi. The XL plans do call for the "AD" >> rivets. I almost made the same mistake as Dan but was saved by the good >> folks at ACS. By the way, Bill, I always enjoy reading your postings. >> You're an asset to this forum. >> >> Dave Clay >> Temple, TX >> Ch601XL scratch builder >> http://www.daves601xl.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63408#63408 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:24 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Familiarization Flight time--2nd try --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" Well, the pressure is building. N221GM received its airworthiness certificate last Thursday so it's ready to go----but I'm not. Is there anyone in New England or New York with a 601XL that could help out with a couple of flight hours? Would reallly appreciate it. Thanks George May 601XL 912s-------ready to go Do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:04 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Familiarization Flight time--2nd try --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" You may have to go as far as Virginia: Sky Bryce (VG18): http://www.maspl.com/ Or look on the Frapper map or the builders database on the Zenith site and start calling -- Craig ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished From: "leinad" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" waj noted: Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: Scratch built spar finished -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello group ,you may want to keep in mind that all AD rivets have a small dimple in the center for identification ,soft are plan ,no dimple. Wade --- However, the soft rivets I had looked as if they were dimpled. In the center of every rivet head is a tiny 3 or 4 digit number. I can't read it, but originally I thought it was the dimple. But the package cleary says AN470-A, not AD.. Sorry for the earlier confusion the --s was meant to signify plural. -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63489#63489 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:41 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk" I realize that now, but I'm getting so gun-shy.... You had no choice but to tear everything back down if you used A instead of AD rivets. Been there, done that. Not for the wrong rivets, but the wrong spar cap material. 2024 instead of 6061. Thought it was a little too shiny. Can't remember if it was ACS's or Wick's mistake. Like the desk sarge on Hill St Blues used to say- "Be careful out there, folks". Bill Naumuk HDS Fuselage Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "leinad" Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:13 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch built spar finished > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" > Sorry for the earlier confusion the --s was meant to signify plural.