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1. 08:53 AM - Re: Introduction of new member - South Africa (Gig Giacona)
2. 11:44 AM - Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (N5SL)
3. 12:13 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (Craig Payne)
4. 12:23 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (Dave Austin)
5. 02:17 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (george may)
6. 02:31 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (Robert L. Stone)
7. 02:35 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) ()
8. 03:36 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (Clyde Barcus)
9. 03:41 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (n801bh@netzero.com)
10. 06:42 PM - N329F Update (Jim Fosse)
11. 07:30 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (N5SL)
12. 10:53 PM - 801 Fuel Sender Question (Dave Ruddiman)
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction of new member - South Africa |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Please see the Bad Alum on market message .
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64505#64505
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| Subject: | Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi guys:
I have a question for 601XL drivers. My engine is
ready for first fire and I'd like to start it in my
driveway before installing my wings.
Has anybody done this? Did it work out OK? I just
want to run my engine for about 20 minutes to break it
in before bringing it to the airport and installing
the wings.
No offense intended but please don't reply if you just
have an opinion. I've been inundated with opinions
from my local EAA buddies and I'm getting some pretty
mixed signals. I don't want to re-create that here on
the email list.
I'd like to hear from folks who have 601XL's and
running engines. Again, I don't want to start a
debate, just cold, hard facts from those who have been
there and done that (or chosen not to).
Thanks and keep up the great discussions,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Inches from starting the engine for the first time.
601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
As you probably know WW insists on a cooling duct for such a long ground
run. Or will you be using the nose bowl, shroud and baffling? And he really
really recommends the prelube with the dummy distributor and electric drill.
I would ensure my CHT, oil pressure and oil temp sensors and my EMS were
reading true before such a long run. Stick the oil temp sender in boiling
water, test the spark plug thermocouples with a source of heat in the
expected temperature range, etc.
Otherwise I don't see how what you are planning to do differs from running
your engine on a test stand (which many have done). What prop will you be
using?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:42 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi guys:
I have a question for 601XL drivers. My engine is ready for first fire and
I'd like to start it in my driveway before installing my wings.
Has anybody done this? Did it work out OK? I just want to run my engine
for about 20 minutes to break it in before bringing it to the airport and
installing the wings.
No offense intended but please don't reply if you just have an opinion.
I've been inundated with opinions from my local EAA buddies and I'm getting
some pretty mixed signals. I don't want to re-create that here on the email
list.
I'd like to hear from folks who have 601XL's and running engines. Again, I
don't want to start a debate, just cold, hard facts from those who have been
there and done that (or chosen not to).
Thanks and keep up the great discussions,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Inches from starting the engine for the first time.
601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@can.rogers.com>
Scott,
I tied the tail of my 601 to a tree beside the driveway and ran it up
several times, with no wings on it. Far better to find any leaks, bugs,
overheating etc before it is away at the airport. Hope all goes well!
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
My engine is
>ready for first fire and I'd like to start it in my
>driveway before installing my wings.
Scott--
No opinion--just fact. I did my first runup on my 912 in my driveway.
No wings and no canopy. That last part was interesting. I tied the main
landing gear to a tree and choked all the wheels. My main interest was to
insure that I did not have any leaks with all the hoses used on the 912.
Make sure you have a couple of good fire extinguishes available--just in
case.
I used a 5 gallon plastic gas can with 3 gallons in it for my main fuel
source and insure that it was secured against being blown over.
Everythinng worked fine--no fire no leaks but it sure was windy without
the canopy. I've since repeated a similar runup but this time I tied the
plane to the trailer hitch on my truck. Worked fine.
George May
601XL 912s
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| Subject: | Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Scott,
If you want to run your engine in your driveway, call the local police
and explain what you want to do and see if there is a city ordinance
prohibiting this. If not go ahead but be very careful especially when
neighborhood children are around. A spinning prop cannot be seen and all
neighbors are going to be interested in what you are doing.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi guys:
>
> I have a question for 601XL drivers. My engine is
> ready for first fire and I'd like to start it in my
> driveway before installing my wings.
>
> Has anybody done this? Did it work out OK? I just
> want to run my engine for about 20 minutes to break it
> in before bringing it to the airport and installing
> the wings.
>
> No offense intended but please don't reply if you just
> have an opinion. I've been inundated with opinions
> from my local EAA buddies and I'm getting some pretty
> mixed signals. I don't want to re-create that here on
> the email list.
>
> I'd like to hear from folks who have 601XL's and
> running engines. Again, I don't want to start a
> debate, just cold, hard facts from those who have been
> there and done that (or chosen not to).
>
> Thanks and keep up the great discussions,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
> Inches from starting the engine for the first time.
> 601XL / Corvair
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Not exactly an apples and apples comparison but.....
When I broke in the Rotax 503 engine on my ultra-not-so-light, I tied it to the
basketball goal post at the edge of my driveway. It had stood up to a direct
hit from Hurricane Lili that shredded my shingles so I figured it was strong enough.
The break in was an hour long schedule of various rpm settings for specified lengths
of time. There was a roofing crew working on the house across the street
and when the hour was up and I shut it down, there was a collective "ThankGod!"
from the roofers.
On the practical side, I had my wife reading out the rpm/time schedule via the
intercom and a friend on guard duty watching to make sure no neighborhood kids
got near the sawhorse and folding table barricades that we set up for a safety
zone.
If you have enough security staff for safety and no local noise ordinances and
the blessings of your neighbors, go for it. If any of those are missing, don't
do it.
Ed Moody II
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| Subject: | Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
I plan on running in my engine in the very near future also, I have already
spoke to all of my neighbors about it. I assured them it would be in the
middle of the day and I would make sure I had plenty of help so their would
be no chance someone would get hurt. Several of them actually volunteered,
they have never seen an aircraft actually being built so they are very
interested. I do not plan on contacting the police because they are not
likely to show up without a complaint. I am waiting on a couple of parts
from William Wynne and a carburetor, then it will be time to turn the key on
my Corvair. I have had a lot of delays for various reasons but I am
beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully I will be flying
soon.
Regards
Clyde
601XL
Hendersonville, Tn
----- Original Message -----
From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
>
> Not exactly an apples and apples comparison but.....
>
> When I broke in the Rotax 503 engine on my ultra-not-so-light, I tied it
> to the basketball goal post at the edge of my driveway. It had stood up to
> a direct hit from Hurricane Lili that shredded my shingles so I figured it
> was strong enough.
>
> The break in was an hour long schedule of various rpm settings for
> specified lengths of time. There was a roofing crew working on the house
> across the street and when the hour was up and I shut it down, there was a
> collective "ThankGod!" from the roofers.
>
> On the practical side, I had my wife reading out the rpm/time schedule via
> the intercom and a friend on guard duty watching to make sure no
> neighborhood kids got near the sawhorse and folding table barricades that
> we set up for a safety zone.
>
> If you have enough security staff for safety and no local noise ordinances
> and the blessings of your neighbors, go for it. If any of those are
> missing, don't do it.
>
> Ed Moody II
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) |
I ran my 801 for several hours on and off till I mounted the wings and t
ransported it to the airport, All I did was to supply fuel to the lines
at the wing root. I don't see a problem at all. In fact I am curious to
the negative comments you have heard.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi guys:
I have a question for 601XL drivers. My engine is
ready for first fire and I'd like to start it in my
driveway before installing my wings.
Has anybody done this? Did it work out OK? I just
want to run my engine for about 20 minutes to break it
in before bringing it to the airport and installing
the wings.
No offense intended but please don't reply if you just
have an opinion. I've been inundated with opinions
from my local EAA buddies and I'm getting some pretty
mixed signals. I don't want to re-create that here on
the email list.
I'd like to hear from folks who have 601XL's and
running engines. Again, I don't want to start a
debate, just cold, hard facts from those who have been
there and done that (or chosen not to).
Thanks and keep up the great discussions,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Inches from starting the engine for the first time.
601XL / Corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
Up, Up and away. First flight of 1 hour was completed on Sep 26.
Everything went well except for the last 5 minutes. The plane handled
well with no surprises, aerodynamically that is. The nose seems a
little heavy in the sense that I ran out of up trim. Will work on
that. Had just finished a stall check and was adding power for climb
when the engine started running rough above 4000 RPM. I have the
Suzuki 1.6 liter engine and up to that point it had performed
flawlessly. Thankfully I was only a couple of miles from the air
field positioned for a straight in approach and landed without
incident. Haven't sorted the problem out yet. Like others before me,
that first flight of my own creation was fantastic.
Jim Fosse
CH 701, N329F
Goreville, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Thanks for all the encouraging words and helpful
suggestions! All good advice and I plan to work hard
to make it happen in the next few days. I made a
scoop for catching air to cool the engine this
afternoon:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/9_28_06_TempCowl2.JPG
I've got the 93 octane autofuel ready in a plastic gas
can and I need to temporarily rig up my fuel pump.
After that I need to connect a few wires and
everything will be ready.
Thanks again for the great advice from those that have
been there before me!
Scott Laughlin
Omaha, Nebraska
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | 801 Fuel Sender Question |
I am installing the fuel gauge senders in my tanks tonight. It seems
like I should turn the units so the float is near the front of the tank
so that it will read full when it really is completely full since the
tank is tapered. Any thoughts or suggestions?
After driving down to California yesterday and touring the shop, I
decided to order an Xtreem IO-360 from Eagle Engines. (which I did
today). Looks like I'm really committed for sure, or at least I will be
if my Wife finds out how much I spent.
Thanks
Dave in Salem
801
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