---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/28/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:53 AM - Re: Introduction of new member - South Africa (Gig Giacona) 2. 11:44 AM - Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (N5SL) 3. 12:13 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (Craig Payne) 4. 12:23 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (Dave Austin) 5. 02:17 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (george may) 6. 02:31 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (Robert L. Stone) 7. 02:35 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) () 8. 03:36 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (Clyde Barcus) 9. 03:41 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (n801bh@netzero.com) 10. 06:42 PM - N329F Update (Jim Fosse) 11. 07:30 PM - Re: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) (N5SL) 12. 10:53 PM - 801 Fuel Sender Question (Dave Ruddiman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:35 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Introduction of new member - South Africa From: "Gig Giacona" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" Please see the Bad Alum on market message . -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64505#64505 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:50 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Hi guys: I have a question for 601XL drivers. My engine is ready for first fire and I'd like to start it in my driveway before installing my wings. Has anybody done this? Did it work out OK? I just want to run my engine for about 20 minutes to break it in before bringing it to the airport and installing the wings. No offense intended but please don't reply if you just have an opinion. I've been inundated with opinions from my local EAA buddies and I'm getting some pretty mixed signals. I don't want to re-create that here on the email list. I'd like to hear from folks who have 601XL's and running engines. Again, I don't want to start a debate, just cold, hard facts from those who have been there and done that (or chosen not to). Thanks and keep up the great discussions, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Inches from starting the engine for the first time. 601XL / Corvair __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:55 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" As you probably know WW insists on a cooling duct for such a long ground run. Or will you be using the nose bowl, shroud and baffling? And he really really recommends the prelube with the dummy distributor and electric drill. I would ensure my CHT, oil pressure and oil temp sensors and my EMS were reading true before such a long run. Stick the oil temp sender in boiling water, test the spark plug thermocouples with a source of heat in the expected temperature range, etc. Otherwise I don't see how what you are planning to do differs from running your engine on a test stand (which many have done). What prop will you be using? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Hi guys: I have a question for 601XL drivers. My engine is ready for first fire and I'd like to start it in my driveway before installing my wings. Has anybody done this? Did it work out OK? I just want to run my engine for about 20 minutes to break it in before bringing it to the airport and installing the wings. No offense intended but please don't reply if you just have an opinion. I've been inundated with opinions from my local EAA buddies and I'm getting some pretty mixed signals. I don't want to re-create that here on the email list. I'd like to hear from folks who have 601XL's and running engines. Again, I don't want to start a debate, just cold, hard facts from those who have been there and done that (or chosen not to). Thanks and keep up the great discussions, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Inches from starting the engine for the first time. 601XL / Corvair __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:16 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" Scott, I tied the tail of my 601 to a tree beside the driveway and ran it up several times, with no wings on it. Far better to find any leaks, bugs, overheating etc before it is away at the airport. Hope all goes well! Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:20 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" My engine is >ready for first fire and I'd like to start it in my >driveway before installing my wings. Scott-- No opinion--just fact. I did my first runup on my 912 in my driveway. No wings and no canopy. That last part was interesting. I tied the main landing gear to a tree and choked all the wheels. My main interest was to insure that I did not have any leaks with all the hoses used on the 912. Make sure you have a couple of good fire extinguishes available--just in case. I used a 5 gallon plastic gas can with 3 gallons in it for my main fuel source and insure that it was secured against being blown over. Everythinng worked fine--no fire no leaks but it sure was windy without the canopy. I've since repeated a similar runup but this time I tied the plane to the trailer hitch on my truck. Worked fine. George May 601XL 912s _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Searchsay hello! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:12 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert L. Stone" Scott, If you want to run your engine in your driveway, call the local police and explain what you want to do and see if there is a city ordinance prohibiting this. If not go ahead but be very careful especially when neighborhood children are around. A spinning prop cannot be seen and all neighbors are going to be interested in what you are doing. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL ----- Original Message ----- From: "N5SL" Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > > Hi guys: > > I have a question for 601XL drivers. My engine is > ready for first fire and I'd like to start it in my > driveway before installing my wings. > > Has anybody done this? Did it work out OK? I just > want to run my engine for about 20 minutes to break it > in before bringing it to the airport and installing > the wings. > > No offense intended but please don't reply if you just > have an opinion. I've been inundated with opinions > from my local EAA buddies and I'm getting some pretty > mixed signals. I don't want to re-create that here on > the email list. > > I'd like to hear from folks who have 601XL's and > running engines. Again, I don't want to start a > debate, just cold, hard facts from those who have been > there and done that (or chosen not to). > > Thanks and keep up the great discussions, > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > Inches from starting the engine for the first time. > 601XL / Corvair > > __________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:55 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Not exactly an apples and apples comparison but..... When I broke in the Rotax 503 engine on my ultra-not-so-light, I tied it to the basketball goal post at the edge of my driveway. It had stood up to a direct hit from Hurricane Lili that shredded my shingles so I figured it was strong enough. The break in was an hour long schedule of various rpm settings for specified lengths of time. There was a roofing crew working on the house across the street and when the hour was up and I shut it down, there was a collective "ThankGod!" from the roofers. On the practical side, I had my wife reading out the rpm/time schedule via the intercom and a friend on guard duty watching to make sure no neighborhood kids got near the sawhorse and folding table barricades that we set up for a safety zone. If you have enough security staff for safety and no local noise ordinances and the blessings of your neighbors, go for it. If any of those are missing, don't do it. Ed Moody II ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:04 PM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" I plan on running in my engine in the very near future also, I have already spoke to all of my neighbors about it. I assured them it would be in the middle of the day and I would make sure I had plenty of help so their would be no chance someone would get hurt. Several of them actually volunteered, they have never seen an aircraft actually being built so they are very interested. I do not plan on contacting the police because they are not likely to show up without a complaint. I am waiting on a couple of parts from William Wynne and a carburetor, then it will be time to turn the key on my Corvair. I have had a lot of delays for various reasons but I am beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully I will be flying soon. Regards Clyde 601XL Hendersonville, Tn ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > Not exactly an apples and apples comparison but..... > > When I broke in the Rotax 503 engine on my ultra-not-so-light, I tied it > to the basketball goal post at the edge of my driveway. It had stood up to > a direct hit from Hurricane Lili that shredded my shingles so I figured it > was strong enough. > > The break in was an hour long schedule of various rpm settings for > specified lengths of time. There was a roofing crew working on the house > across the street and when the hour was up and I shut it down, there was a > collective "ThankGod!" from the roofers. > > On the practical side, I had my wife reading out the rpm/time schedule via > the intercom and a friend on guard duty watching to make sure no > neighborhood kids got near the sawhorse and folding table barricades that > we set up for a safety zone. > > If you have enough security staff for safety and no local noise ordinances > and the blessings of your neighbors, go for it. If any of those are > missing, don't do it. > > Ed Moody II > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:03 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) I ran my 801 for several hours on and off till I mounted the wings and t ransported it to the airport, All I did was to supply fuel to the lines at the wing root. I don't see a problem at all. In fact I am curious to the negative comments you have heard. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- N5SL wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Hi guys: I have a question for 601XL drivers. My engine is ready for first fire and I'd like to start it in my driveway before installing my wings. Has anybody done this? Did it work out OK? I just want to run my engine for about 20 minutes to break it in before bringing it to the airport and installing the wings. No offense intended but please don't reply if you just have an opinion. I've been inundated with opinions from my local EAA buddies and I'm getting some pretty mixed signals. I don't want to re-create that here on the email list. I'd like to hear from folks who have 601XL's and running engines. Again, I don't want to start a debate, just cold, hard facts from those who have been there and done that (or chosen not to). Thanks and keep up the great discussions, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Inches from starting the engine for the first time. 601XL / Corvair __________________________________________________ ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

I ran my 801 for several hours on and off till I mounted the wi ngs and transported it to the airport, All I did was to supply fuel to t he lines at the wing root. I don't see a problem at all. In fact I am cu rious to the negative comments you have heard.

do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
- -> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL  <nfivesl@yahoo.com>

Hi guys:

I have a  question for 601XL drivers.  My engi ne is
ready for first fire and I'd  ;like to start it in my
driveway before  installing my wings.  

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want to run my engine&nbs p;for about 20 minutes to break it
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the wings.  

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have an opinion.  I've been i nundated with opinions
from my local EAA&nbs p;buddies and I'm getting some pretty
mixed& nbsp;signals.  I don't want to re-create&n bsp;that here on
the email list.

I'd  like to hear from folks who have 601X L's and
running engines.  Again, I don' t want to start a
debate, just cold,&nb sp;hard facts from those who have been
there and done that (or chosen not to ).  

Thanks and keep up the gr eat discussions,

Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Inches from starting the engine for th e first time.
601XL / Corvair

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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:59 PM PST US From: "Jim Fosse" Subject: Zenith-List: N329F Update --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" Up, Up and away. First flight of 1 hour was completed on Sep 26. Everything went well except for the last 5 minutes. The plane handled well with no surprises, aerodynamically that is. The nose seems a little heavy in the sense that I ran out of up trim. Will work on that. Had just finished a stall check and was adding power for climb when the engine started running rough above 4000 RPM. I have the Suzuki 1.6 liter engine and up to that point it had performed flawlessly. Thankfully I was only a couple of miles from the air field positioned for a straight in approach and landed without incident. Haven't sorted the problem out yet. Like others before me, that first flight of my own creation was fantastic. Jim Fosse CH 701, N329F Goreville, IL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:22 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Running Engine - Wings Off (601XL) --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Thanks for all the encouraging words and helpful suggestions! All good advice and I plan to work hard to make it happen in the next few days. I made a scoop for catching air to cool the engine this afternoon: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/9_28_06_TempCowl2.JPG I've got the 93 octane autofuel ready in a plastic gas can and I need to temporarily rig up my fuel pump. After that I need to connect a few wires and everything will be ready. Thanks again for the great advice from those that have been there before me! Scott Laughlin Omaha, Nebraska 601XL/Corvair __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:19 PM PST US From: "Dave Ruddiman" Subject: Zenith-List: 801 Fuel Sender Question I am installing the fuel gauge senders in my tanks tonight. It seems like I should turn the units so the float is near the front of the tank so that it will read full when it really is completely full since the tank is tapered. Any thoughts or suggestions? After driving down to California yesterday and touring the shop, I decided to order an Xtreem IO-360 from Eagle Engines. (which I did today). Looks like I'm really committed for sure, or at least I will be if my Wife finds out how much I spent. Thanks Dave in Salem 801