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1. 06:20 AM - 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot? (nick@aoaircrafters.com)
2. 06:49 AM - Re: boots (Zed Smith)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot? (Rosalie DeMeo)
4. 07:47 AM - Re: 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot? (Gary Boothe)
5. 08:55 AM - Re: 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot? (Terry Phillips)
6. 08:56 AM - Re: 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot? (Craig Payne)
7. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: boots (Robin Bellach)
8. 02:01 PM - Do Not Archive (Scott Thatcher)
9. 03:51 PM - A special Zodiac XL 601 (Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito)
10. 03:53 PM - A special Zodiac XL 601 (Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito)
11. 05:03 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Terry Turnquist)
12. 05:03 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Jeff)
13. 05:05 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Craig Payne)
14. 05:12 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (leinad)
15. 05:16 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (kevinbonds)
16. 05:32 PM - Re: Do Not Archive (Bill Naumuk)
17. 05:46 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Craig Payne)
18. 05:52 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Craig Payne)
19. 05:59 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Craig Payne)
20. 06:11 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (LarryMcFarland)
21. 06:23 PM - Re: Do Not Archive (JOHN STARN)
22. 06:28 PM - Fuel sending unit ground. (Dave Ruddiman)
23. 06:52 PM - Zodiac XL 601 with special nose wheel? (Robin Bellach)
24. 06:53 PM - Re: Fuel sending unit ground. (Paul Mulwitz)
25. 06:59 PM - Re: Fuel sending unit ground. (Dave Ruddiman)
26. 07:12 PM - Re: Fuel sending unit ground. (Michael Valentine)
27. 07:18 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Craig Payne)
28. 07:32 PM - Re: Fuel sending unit ground. (Noel Loveys)
29. 07:38 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Rosalie DeMeo)
30. 07:41 PM - Re: Fuel sending unit ground. (Robin Bellach)
31. 07:45 PM - Re: Fuel sending unit ground. (Noel Loveys)
32. 07:59 PM - Re: Fuel sending unit ground. (Dave Ruddiman)
33. 09:16 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Ron Lendon)
34. 10:06 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Zodie Rocket)
35. 10:52 PM - Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 (Dave Ruddiman)
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| Subject: | 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: nick@aoaircrafters.com
Zodiac 601's,
Does anyone have a source for nose gear steering boots? These are used
to separate the cabin from the engine compartment due to the two large
oval holes in the firewall from nose steering pushrods?
Thanks,
~Nick
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Nick,
Seems that this might be in the Archives. Think the item is actually from a snowmobile.
Some of the colder-climate builders probably have the part number and source.
Regards,
Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
Contact Doug Dugger in Northern California. I believe his wife made
his. I think she might sell them. I don't know his email, but I think
he's on this list.
Brad
nick@aoaircrafters.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: nick@aoaircrafters.com
>
>Zodiac 601's,
>
>Does anyone have a source for nose gear steering boots? These are used
>to separate the cabin from the engine compartment due to the two large
>oval holes in the firewall from nose steering pushrods?
>
>Thanks,
>
>~Nick
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Doug's wife also does VERY nice upholstery for 601's.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rosalie DeMeo
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
Contact Doug Dugger in Northern California. I believe his wife made
his. I think she might sell them. I don't know his email, but I think
he's on this list.
Brad
nick@aoaircrafters.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: nick@aoaircrafters.com
>
>Zodiac 601's,
>
>Does anyone have a source for nose gear steering boots? These are used
>to separate the cabin from the engine compartment due to the two large
>oval holes in the firewall from nose steering pushrods?
>
>Thanks,
>
>~Nick
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
This has been addressed recently on the list. Mac's web site shows what I
believe is a much better solution:
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/steer-rod-air-barrier.gif
I suggest Mac's design is superior to a boot, because the function of the
firewall is to keep an engine fire out of the cabin. The last thing you
want is two large holes covered over by a thin rubber boot when you have a
fire up front. Of course, that doesn't address the problem of containing a
fire in an epoxy-fiberglass cowling. None-the-less, I think that Mac has
the right idea.
Terry
'Hoping to begin a 601 soon.
At 07:16 AM 10/13/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
>
>Contact Doug Dugger in Northern California. I believe his wife made
>his. I think she might sell them. I don't know his email, but I think
>he's on this list.
>
>Brad
>
>nick@aoaircrafters.com wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: nick@aoaircrafters.com
>>
>>Zodiac 601's,
>>
>>Does anyone have a source for nose gear steering boots? These are used
>>to separate the cabin from the engine compartment due to the two large
>>oval holes in the firewall from nose steering pushrods?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>~Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Terry Phillips
ttp44@rkymtn.net
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| Subject: | 601 Nose Gear Steering Boot? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
If you look in the list's photo/file sharing area you will see pictures of
various solutions: boots and sliding shutters:
www.matronics.com/photoshare/zenith-list.html
I'm making by boots out of this from Spruce:
05-00600 FLEXIBLE FIREWALL FABRIC 40"W
www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/neoprenepyroglass.php
-- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
That's what i used, and yes, info should be in the archives. If not, email
me and I'll look it up.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zed Smith" <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: boots
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> Nick,
>
> Seems that this might be in the Archives. Think the item is actually from
> a snowmobile.
> Some of the colder-climate builders probably have the part number and
> source.
>
> Regards,
>
> Zed/701/R912/90+%/do not archive
>
>
>
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I've noticed that the "Do Not Archive" appears on many questions and
answers
that really SHOULD be archived. In the past, it was just a matter of
going back through the archives to find the answer to a question but now
it seems we had better start saving these emails if we ever want to find
the answers again (without having to re-ask the same question).
Please check your responses and if it involves a reasonable answer to a
question, try to leave off the Do Not Archive. Just my 2 cents worth.
Do Not Archive
Scott Thatcher
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| Subject: | A special Zodiac XL 601 |
Hi all,
Here is my Special Zodiac XL 601.
Roberto Brito.
S=E3o Paulo - Brasil.
Zodiac Xl 601 Plans.
Jab 3300
Enigma.
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| Subject: | A special Zodiac XL 601 |
Hi all,
Here is my Special Zodiac XL 601.
The first flight will be October 31.
www.airfox.com.br
Roberto Brito.
S=E3o Paulo - Brasil.
Zodiac Xl 601 Plans.
Jab 3300
Enigma.
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| Subject: | Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 |
Roberto, most excellent! Send flight pics when you have them. Good Luck!
Terry Turnquist
601 XL Plans
St. Peters, MO USA
Do not archive
"Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito" <lenabeto@uol.com.br> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is my Special Zodiac XL 601.
The first flight will be October 31.
www.airfox.com.br
Roberto Brito.
So Paulo - Brasil.
Zodiac Xl 601 Plans.
Jab 3300
Enigma.
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| Subject: | A special Zodiac XL 601 |
Roberto,
A couple questions if I may:
Who is Air-Fox?
Is that a constant speed propeller hub on the 3300?
Did you design the cabin and turtle deck areas yourself?
Did
you include roll-over protection?
What does the RB mean in "ZODIAC XL RB"?
Nice looking seats!
Thanks =85.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD/Jabiru 3300
Herndon, VA USA
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roberto Ap.
Rodrigues de Brito
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: A special Zodiac XL 601
Hi all,
Here is my Special Zodiac XL 601.
The first flight will be October 31.
www.airfox.com.br
Roberto Brito.
S=E3o Paulo - Brasil.
Zodiac Xl 601 Plans.
Jab 3300
Enigma.
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| Subject: | A special Zodiac XL 601 |
Nice seats! What do you think of the MGL Enigma?
Here is a bad translation:
<quote>
The presentation of the Zodiac XL 601 RB in the fair of Parrots was a
success, the persons will want to see him, photograph-him, see the
modern
colorful Enigma, understand as functions the reverse, know about the
first
Ballistic national one, that motor was, who did the cowl of the motor,
if
was a national project, who did, that plane was, many alone saw that was
a
Zodiac after the people showed And like this were every day.
It like to thank the presence of everybody in the stand of the Airfox,
stayed excited and very satisfied in know people that alone to have
known in
the internet. And it looks that passed many wild animals for know the
little plane. ...... In the pictures you go recognizes them did Not
imagine
that so many friends would pass that way. Very it obliged, was
sensational,
was show of ball. That is going to work me more and more, by the
experimental aviation, put in office more, wanting more, and always with
the
purpose of cheapen more and more, wanting that anyone can build and his
fly
own plane, with security, without do of that a weapon. We earn to an I
award, and that was alone the beginning. Now we are going to finish
with
calm what is lacking, do the box of the screen of air, finish of install
the
Ballistic one, do final inspection, and by ultimo, weight and
balanceamento.
We are going to deliver that plots marvelous in the hands of our
official
pilot, Zequinha Hip=F3lito, figure calms, tranquil, with more of 15.000
thousand hours of instruction, is that even, fifteen thousand hours of
instruction, flew little the angry one, and stayed alone of stateroom
hearing the snoring of the motor, that you ally looks more Swiss clock
of
the any one another one thing that motor one Jabiru, the bug functions
round, without jolts or vibrations. Well, we are going to run several
times
the trail, follow a script pre established, and afterwards everything
will
have ourselves trinques, the commander Zequinha leave of the ground and
ah
aguenta heart, nao I imagine which will be the reaction of our team! !!!
In
the instant that that happen I notice everyone.
Special gratitude to my members of staff, that for the me are like
brothers
or sons, without you that was not possible.
An embrace.
<end quote>
and...
<quote>
It was presented in this Saturday day 19 of August 2006, the new one
Zodiac
XL 601 RB, had the presence of all the management of the Abraex and a
big
number of friends, to the all 140 persons participated of the barbecue
promoted by the AirFox Ultralight. It was shown for the participants
the
equipment that will be installed, the ballistic for-falls and kits
partial,
still in construction, had still a lecture about security of flight.
That first plane will be equipped with the very new one Stratomaster
colorful Enigma supplied by the www.protrike.com.br and with a GPS
Airmap
2000c, will have still a Transponder and Radio Microair, supplied by the
www.jabirubrasil.com.br.
That event was for present the changes made in the turtle deck, canopy
and
winglets, projected and developed in the own office of the AirFox. Now,
we
are going to work hard for finish the plane for the big event of Brazil,
the
fair of Parrots, that will happen of 05 to 08 of October of 2006. We
expect
that there is complete and finished.
<end quote>
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roberto Ap.
Rodrigues de Brito
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: A special Zodiac XL 601
Hi all,
Here is my Special Zodiac XL 601.
The first flight will be October 31.
www.airfox.com.br
Roberto Brito.
S=E3o Paulo - Brasil.
Zodiac Xl 601 Plans.
Jab 3300
Enigma.
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| Subject: | Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Roberto,
> Very nice. Good luck with the flight testing.
> Dan Dempsey
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Here is my Special Zodiac XL 601.
> The first flight will be October 31.
>
> www.airfox.com.br
>
> Roberto Brito.
> SPaulo - Brasil.
>
> Zodiac Xl 601 Plans.
> Jab 3300
> Enigma.
[quote][b]
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67608#67608
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| Subject: | A special Zodiac XL 601 |
I love the canopy design. I like the look better than the bubble.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds>
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roberto Ap.
Rodrigues de Brito
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: A special Zodiac XL 601
Hi all,
Here is my Special Zodiac XL 601.
The first flight will be October 31.
www.airfox.com.br
Roberto Brito.
S=E3o Paulo - Brasil.
Zodiac Xl 601 Plans.
Jab 3300
Enigma.
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| Subject: | Re: Do Not Archive |
Scott-
You get gun-shy after a while.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Thatcher
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 4:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Do Not Archive
I've noticed that the "Do Not Archive" appears on many questions and
answers
that really SHOULD be archived. In the past, it was just a matter of
going back through the archives to find the answer to a question but now
it seems we had better start saving these emails if we ever want to find
the answers again (without having to re-ask the same question).
Please check your responses and if it involves a reasonable answer to
a question, try to leave off the Do Not Archive. Just my 2 cents worth.
Do Not Archive
Scott Thatcher
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| Subject: | A special Zodiac XL 601 |
Looks like it is split down the middle into two upward-opening sections:
www.airfox.com.br/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10001/Araras-2006---042.jpg
-- Craig
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| Subject: | A special Zodiac XL 601 |
>> Is that a constant speed propeller hub on the 3300?
If it is I wonder if it meets the weight limits that Jabiru specifies.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | A special Zodiac XL 601 |
Here is a translation with a lot of details: http://tinyurl.com/y85qea
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Roberto's 601 will undoubtedly be one of the fastest because of the
blended canopy to tail, flush riveting, wing root fairings etc.
It'll be interesting to see his flight data when he begins testing. His
would be an interesting variation for Zenith to copy and capture
a much larger market. I think it's exceedingly well done. Did notice
his front fork is on backwards though, because the center of
pivot should be like a caster, ahead of the axle.
Larry McFarland - 6011HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Craig Payne wrote:
> Looks like it is split down the middle into two upward-opening
> sections:
> www.airfox.com.br/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10001/Araras-2006---042.jpg
> <http://www.airfox.com.br/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10001/Araras-2006---042.jpg>
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
>*
>*
>
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| Subject: | Re: Do Not Archive |
Scott if you think something should be posted in the archives for your
future reference or someone else's, PLEASE. Hit the reply button, trim
the excess & remove ALL the "Do Not Archive" that still exist and resend
it. I've had several of my posts preserved by others when I thought of
them as just a current bit of info. The hit the "send" button. KABONG
(GBA & GWB)
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Thatcher
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Do Not Archive
I've noticed that the "Do Not Archive" appears on many questions and
answers
that really SHOULD be archived. In the past, it was just a matter of
going back through the archives to find the answer to a question but now
it seems we had better start saving these emails if we ever want to find
the answers again (without having to re-ask the same question).
Please check your responses and if it involves a reasonable answer to
a question, try to leave off the Do Not Archive. Just my 2 cents worth.
Do Not Archive
Scott Thatcher
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| Subject: | Fuel sending unit ground. |
This is probably a simple question, but I need some advice on the ground
wire for the sender. There is a tab mounted on the tank which I assume
is for a ground. There is also the actual wire coming from the mounting
plate on the sending unit. Doesn't all this have to be attached to the
airframe? I plan on running everything up to the firewall to a common
ground off the engine. Can I just run the sender ground wire along with
the power wire? I also plan on doing the strobes the same way, although
the directions show to just ground to a screw on one of the ribs.
Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Zodiac XL 601 with special nose wheel? |
Me too. And ditto for the wing tips. But what's with the seemingly
reversed nose wheel fork?
----- Original Message -----
From: kevinbonds
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A special Zodiac XL 601
I love the canopy design. I like the look better than the bubble.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roberto Ap.
Rodrigues de Brito
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:52 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: A special Zodiac XL 601
Hi all,
Here is my Special Zodiac XL 601.
The first flight will be October 31.
www.airfox.com.br
Roberto Brito.
S=E3o Paulo - Brasil.
Zodiac Xl 601 Plans.
Jab 3300
Enigma.
- The Zenith-List Email Forum - - NEW MATRONICS
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sending unit ground. |
Hi Dave,
The tricky part of the fuel sender is getting the ground from the
metal plate to the airframe or electrical ground point. To do this
on my plane, I decided to leave off one of the paper washers on the
sender mounting screws. Another way to do this is to weld an
electrical contact to the sender plate. Without one of these tricks,
the sender simply will not work.
It is also a good idea to ground the fuel tank. I am not sure what
all the reasons for this are, but the sender is one and grounding
electrostatic discharges from the gas tank for fueling is another.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
>This is probably a simple question, but I need some advice on the
>ground wire for the sender. There is a tab mounted on the tank which
>I assume is for a ground. There is also the actual wire coming from
>the mounting plate on the sending unit. Doesn't all this have to be
>attached to the airframe? I plan on running everything up to the
>firewall to a common ground off the engine. Can I just run the
>sender ground wire along with the power wire? I also plan on doing
>the strobes the same way, although the directions show to just
>ground to a screw on one of the ribs.
>
>
>Dave in Salem
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Paul,
My senders have a power wire stud and a ground wire stud. I thought they
were all that way.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel sending unit ground.
Hi Dave,
The tricky part of the fuel sender is getting the ground from the
metal plate to the airframe or electrical ground point. To do this on
my plane, I decided to leave off one of the paper washers on the sender
mounting screws. Another way to do this is to weld an electrical
contact to the sender plate. Without one of these tricks, the sender
simply will not work.
It is also a good idea to ground the fuel tank. I am not sure what
all the reasons for this are, but the sender is one and grounding
electrostatic discharges from the gas tank for fueling is another.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
This is probably a simple question, but I need some advice on the
ground wire for the sender. There is a tab mounted on the tank which I
assume is for a ground. There is also the actual wire coming from the
mounting plate on the sending unit. Doesn't all this have to be attached
to the airframe? I plan on running everything up to the firewall to a
common ground off the engine. Can I just run the sender ground wire
along with the power wire? I also plan on doing the strobes the same
way, although the directions show to just ground to a screw on one of
the ribs.
Dave in Salem
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I followed the advice of an earlier poster and used copper washers instead
of the paper washers. This means that the tank is in direct contact with
the inner metal ring, which is connected to the top plate with the five
bolts. In out-of-wing testing, everthing seemed to work well. I then ran a
ground from one of the bolts to a nose rib that will be accessible from my
finger screen inspection plate. Assuming the nose rib is well enough
connected to everything else (meaning the corrosing protection hasn't gotten
in the way), is there any reason this won't ground both the tank and the
sender in one fell swoop?
Michael
Contoocook, NH
p.s. On my sender there is a specific nut sticking up that one could attach
a ground to even if he used the paper washers.
Paul wrote:
Hi Dave,
>
> The tricky part of the fuel sender is getting the ground from the metal
> plate to the airframe or electrical ground point. To do this on my plane, I
> decided to leave off one of the paper washers on the sender mounting
> screws. Another way to do this is to weld an electrical contact to the
> sender plate. Without one of these tricks, the sender simply will not work.
>
> It is also a good idea to ground the fuel tank. I am not sure what all
> the reasons for this are, but the sender is one and grounding electrostatic
> discharges from the gas tank for fueling is another.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Paul
>
Dave wrote:
> This is probably a simple question, but I need some advice on the ground
> wire for the sender. There is a tab mounted on the tank which I assume is
> for a ground. There is also the actual wire coming from the mounting plate
> on the sending unit. Doesn't all this have to be attached to the airframe?
> I plan on running everything up to the firewall to a common ground off the
> engine. Can I just run the sender ground wire along with the power wire? I
> also plan on doing the strobes the same way, although the directions show to
> just ground to a screw on one of the ribs.
>
>
> Dave in Salem
>
>
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| Subject: | A special Zodiac XL 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
A philosophical question is if it is still a 601XL. Aside from the top skins
(which are composite) those wing-tips are there for a reason. Did you notice
he is not using pulled rivets and using 2024-T3?
"E this is the change most important: we take off the bubble original, that
in pilonagem case was impossible you to leave inside, and made the Turtle
Deck, the Canopy and from above part of the panel in a part alone of 60%
Kevlar and 40% Fibre glass and, in this, the doors will open as gull wing.
Moreover, also it will be more aerodynamic, more harmonic and quicker. Still
bars of protection in such a way in the front how much behind the heads of
the pilot and passenger will be placed."
"Parts of the horizontal and profundor stabilizer, observe exactly that the
folds had been made without the deformation necessity, using plate of league
2024-T3, you unite the airplane all is made of plate 2024-T3, and without
the use of rivet pop, we are using rivet mameado or without head, as in the
RV's. With this we wait to gain a little more than speed and above all in
the beauty of the airplane."
The prop appears to be in-flight adjustable:
"After this he is to place the engine, a Jabiru 3300, with helix trip of
changeable step (Woodprop), e the reverse, that this way I find that it is
newness."
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Fuel sending unit ground. |
Usually there will be a bonding strap of braided copper that will
connect
the tank and the sender to the frame of the plane. One end is usually
installed as a ring terminal around one of the machine screws that hold
the
sender unit in place The other end is usually attached through a ring
terminal around a stud on the frame.
If these grounding straps are not present ( in metal gas tanks ) then
grounding the plane for refuelling won't ground your gas tank and can
still
cause a spark from the gas nozzle. ( No fun)
Another place where you will probably want to have bonding straps
installed
is across the elastomeric mounts of your engine mount. This will help
give
a good ground to your plane for both starting and battery charging.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Mulwitz
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel sending unit ground.
Hi Dave,
The tricky part of the fuel sender is getting the ground from the metal
plate to the airframe or electrical ground point. To do this on my
plane, I
decided to leave off one of the paper washers on the sender mounting
screws.
Another way to do this is to weld an electrical contact to the sender
plate.
Without one of these tricks, the sender simply will not work.
It is also a good idea to ground the fuel tank. I am not sure what all
the
reasons for this are, but the sender is one and grounding electrostatic
discharges from the gas tank for fueling is another.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
This is probably a simple question, but I need some advice on the ground
wire for the sender. There is a tab mounted on the tank which I assume
is
for a ground. There is also the actual wire coming from the mounting
plate
on the sending unit. Doesn't all this have to be attached to the
airframe?
I plan on running everything up to the firewall to a common ground off
the
engine. Can I just run the sender ground wire along with the power wire?
I
also plan on doing the strobes the same way, although the directions
show to
just ground to a screw on one of the ribs.
Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
Wow! Very, Very nice! I love the canopy and back window. A great look.
Brad
Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here is my Special Zodiac XL 601.
> The first flight will be October 31.
>
> www.airfox.com.br <http://www.airfox.com.br>
>
> Roberto Brito.
> So Paulo - Brasil.
>
> Zodiac Xl 601 Plans.
> Jab 3300
> Enigma.
>
>*
>
>
>*
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sending unit ground. |
Dave,
You are lucky. Lots of us have the VW Rabbit type senders supplied by
ZAC. They not only have no ground lug, but when installed in the ZAC
tanks they protrude above the top skin.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel sending unit ground.
Paul,
My senders have a power wire stud and a ground wire stud. I thought
they were all that way.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel sending unit ground.
Hi Dave,
The tricky part of the fuel sender is getting the ground from the
metal plate to the airframe or electrical ground point. To do this on
my plane, I decided to leave off one of the paper washers on the sender
mounting screws. Another way to do this is to weld an electrical
contact to the sender plate. Without one of these tricks, the sender
simply will not work.
It is also a good idea to ground the fuel tank. I am not sure what
all the reasons for this are, but the sender is one and grounding
electrostatic discharges from the gas tank for fueling is another.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
This is probably a simple question, but I need some advice on the
ground wire for the sender. There is a tab mounted on the tank which I
assume is for a ground. There is also the actual wire coming from the
mounting plate on the sending unit. Doesn't all this have to be attached
to the airframe? I plan on running everything up to the firewall to a
common ground off the engine. Can I just run the sender ground wire
along with the power wire? I also plan on doing the strobes the same
way, although the directions show to just ground to a screw on one of
the ribs.
Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Fuel sending unit ground. |
Believe it or not the system you have described is good. You should
also
use a bonding braid across your wing root attach point. It is possible
for
a bit of minor corrosion to occur across the main attach bolts which
will
affect the ground of your wing. The short bonding straps that jump
these
attach points ensure the strength of your wings ground even as the wing
is
flexing. (One bonding strap per wing)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Valentine
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel sending unit ground.
I followed the advice of an earlier poster and used copper washers
instead
of the paper washers. This means that the tank is in direct contact
with
the inner metal ring, which is connected to the top plate with the five
bolts. In out-of-wing testing, everthing seemed to work well. I then
ran a
ground from one of the bolts to a nose rib that will be accessible from
my
finger screen inspection plate. Assuming the nose rib is well enough
connected to everything else (meaning the corrosing protection hasn't
gotten
in the way), is there any reason this won't ground both the tank and the
sender in one fell swoop?
Michael
Contoocook, NH
p.s. On my sender there is a specific nut sticking up that one could
attach
a ground to even if he used the paper washers.
Paul wrote:
Hi Dave,
The tricky part of the fuel sender is getting the ground from the metal
plate to the airframe or electrical ground point. To do this on my
plane, I
decided to leave off one of the paper washers on the sender mounting
screws.
Another way to do this is to weld an electrical contact to the sender
plate.
Without one of these tricks, the sender simply will not work.
It is also a good idea to ground the fuel tank. I am not sure what all
the
reasons for this are, but the sender is one and grounding electrostatic
discharges from the gas tank for fueling is another.
Good luck,
Paul
Dave wrote:
This is probably a simple question, but I need some advice on the ground
wire for the sender. There is a tab mounted on the tank which I assume
is
for a ground. There is also the actual wire coming from the mounting
plate
on the sending unit. Doesn't all this have to be attached to the
airframe?
I plan on running everything up to the firewall to a common ground off
the
engine. Can I just run the sender ground wire along with the power wire?
I
also plan on doing the strobes the same way, although the directions
show to
just ground to a screw on one of the ribs.
Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sending unit ground. |
So, that's what you guys have been talking about. Making domed covers to
clear the senders. If it makes you feel better I do have to grind off
about 1/8 of an inch so my top skins will clear. Just kidding.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Bellach
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel sending unit ground.
Dave,
You are lucky. Lots of us have the VW Rabbit type senders supplied by
ZAC. They not only have no ground lug, but when installed in the ZAC
tanks they protrude above the top skin.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ruddiman
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel sending unit ground.
Paul,
My senders have a power wire stud and a ground wire stud. I thought
they were all that way.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel sending unit ground.
Hi Dave,
The tricky part of the fuel sender is getting the ground from the
metal plate to the airframe or electrical ground point. To do this on
my plane, I decided to leave off one of the paper washers on the sender
mounting screws. Another way to do this is to weld an electrical
contact to the sender plate. Without one of these tricks, the sender
simply will not work.
It is also a good idea to ground the fuel tank. I am not sure
what all the reasons for this are, but the sender is one and grounding
electrostatic discharges from the gas tank for fueling is another.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
This is probably a simple question, but I need some advice on
the ground wire for the sender. There is a tab mounted on the tank which
I assume is for a ground. There is also the actual wire coming from the
mounting plate on the sending unit. Doesn't all this have to be attached
to the airframe? I plan on running everything up to the firewall to a
common ground off the engine. Can I just run the sender ground wire
along with the power wire? I also plan on doing the strobes the same
way, although the directions show to just ground to a screw on one of
the ribs.
Dave in Salem
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| Subject: | Re: A special Zodiac XL 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Roberto,
Nice lines to the airframe. Now you got me thinking, do I want to give up the
rear visibility for a couple mph? Maybe. Keep us posted.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67673#67673
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| Subject: | A special Zodiac XL 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
-----Original Message-----
A philosophical question is if it is still a 601XL.
The answer is NO in no way is this a 601 of any model, though it was
built using Chris Heintz's plans it has been modified so heavily that
complete testing needs to be done to ensure structural engineering. The
wings have been altered so will they create the same amount of lift? The
amount of fiberglass and modifications has surly increased it's empty
weight so will they up the gross weight to make it a two person plane
and will they do the testing to ensure that the wings will stand the
load? I must admit this is the first modified gull wing configuration I
liked, but is this going to be an easier plane to build? Not bloody
likely! It will probably fly faster , not be as stable and build time is
out the window for the average builder. Is it a Zenith 601XL? NO it is
another company ripping off the Chris Heintz designs for there own
profit, and though it is too hard to stop this practice from happening
it really does piss me off! If they wanted to sell 601XL's in Brazil
likely, all they had to do was build one exactly as the plans stated.
Same thing happened to another 2 companies that were Zenith Distributors
they couldn't adhere to the designers drawings, so they are no longer a
Zenair Distributor but seem to have a plane that uses a lot of the
Zenith parts and looks quite similar. Did I say this shit really pisses
me off! Man I'm pissed! Bend over Chris your getting the shaft again!
Now if someone was to do this for themselves I would be all for it and
even offer advice and idea's. But this plane is intended for mass
sale!!! With a balls to still call it a Zodiac 601XL!!!
I have to go to take a blood pressure pill!!!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, 801 C-FHUC almost finished
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
--
10/13/2006
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
OK Mark, now take a deep breath and go to your special place.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:05 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A special Zodiac XL 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> A philosophical question is if it is still a 601XL.
>
> The answer is NO in no way is this a 601 of any model, though it was
> built using Chris Heintz's plans it has been modified so heavily that
> complete testing needs to be done to ensure structural engineering. The
> wings have been altered so will they create the same amount of lift? The
> amount of fiberglass and modifications has surly increased it's empty
> weight so will they up the gross weight to make it a two person plane
> and will they do the testing to ensure that the wings will stand the
> load? I must admit this is the first modified gull wing configuration I
> liked, but is this going to be an easier plane to build? Not bloody
> likely! It will probably fly faster , not be as stable and build time is
> out the window for the average builder. Is it a Zenith 601XL? NO it is
> another company ripping off the Chris Heintz designs for there own
> profit, and though it is too hard to stop this practice from happening
> it really does piss me off! If they wanted to sell 601XL's in Brazil
> likely, all they had to do was build one exactly as the plans stated.
> Same thing happened to another 2 companies that were Zenith Distributors
> they couldn't adhere to the designers drawings, so they are no longer a
> Zenair Distributor but seem to have a plane that uses a lot of the
> Zenith parts and looks quite similar. Did I say this shit really pisses
> me off! Man I'm pissed! Bend over Chris your getting the shaft again!
>
> Now if someone was to do this for themselves I would be all for it and
> even offer advice and idea's. But this plane is intended for mass
> sale!!! With a balls to still call it a Zodiac 601XL!!!
>
> I have to go to take a blood pressure pill!!!
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, 801 C-FHUC almost finished
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
>
>
> --
> 10/13/2006
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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