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1. 04:26 AM - Re: splicing long 601xl wing parts (Debo Cox)
2. 05:15 AM - Re: First FlightFirst Flight (Tommy Walker)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: First Flight (Al Young)
4. 06:13 AM - Re: On-line info on making and using form blocks - the results (LarryMcFarland)
5. 07:14 AM - Re: First Flight (Jack Russell)
6. 07:27 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Tow Bar for 601 (John M. Goodings)
7. 08:42 AM - 912 engine for a 701 (MacDonald Doug)
8. 09:16 AM - The "Do not archive" thing (Jeff Small)
9. 11:23 AM - 701 elevator attachment (Ryan Vechinski)
10. 11:32 AM - Re: Trailering The CH701 (Chris Wolf)
11. 12:38 PM - Re: First FlightFirst Flight (Rick R)
12. 01:31 PM - Re: 701 elevator attachment (Geoff Heap)
13. 04:14 PM - Re: First Flight (Ron Lendon)
14. 04:49 PM - painting with a furnace (LarryMcFarland)
15. 05:15 PM - Re: painting with a furnace (Michael Valentine)
16. 06:37 PM - Re: painting with a furnace (Ryan Vechinski)
17. 10:56 PM - Muffler dimensions (Jari Kaija)
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| Subject: | Re: splicing long 601xl wing parts |
Wow. This is huge news for scratchbuilders. I bent mine the 12-foot length using
a crackpot method on my 8-foot brake that just happened to work, and nearly
got me divorced in the process - don't ask. I sure wish I'd have asked Maartens
excellent question.
Dang you whippersnappers with your newfangled methods. In my day we didn't have
any water - we just smashed our own hydrogen and oxygen atoms together - and
we liked it!
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
XL/Corvair
50% done on wing spars (with 12-foot angles)
Do not archive
David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth
Hi Maarten.
Chris Heintz said we could butt the spar cap angles up
to one another (not spliced as per the rear spar) as
long as the break in continuity is located away from
the termination point of the front spar caps to
prevent stress concentrations in that area. My spar
cap angles have their break about 1 foot outboard of
the front spar cap termination point. HOpe that
answers your question.
David
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| Subject: | Re: First FlightFirst Flight |
Congratulations George!
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do NOt Archive
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@mchsi.com>
Great Job George! Congrats.
Al Young
601XL being painted
----- Original Message -----
From: "george may" <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Well folks, this list has helped to launch another Zodiac. On Saturday
> morning at about 9:00AM, N221GM launched off for its first flight. Sky
> was crystal clear, winds calm, and the foliage of New England outstanding.
> Take off occurred after about a 450 foot run with a climbout at 85mph.
> I'm using a dynon system for EFIS and forgot to set it up with VSI, so my
> best guess is that the climb was about 600-700fpm. No attempt was made
> for a max climb, just a relatively gently one. I climbed to 2500ft, took
> a deep breath, enjoyed the secenery for a couple of minutes and gently
> circled the field checking out pitch, roll and yaw. With everything in
> the green engine wise the only issued appeared to be the need for
> continuous back pressure on the elevator which could not be trimmed out.
> Speed was 95-100mph
> Since the preflight plan was take off, climb to 2500, circle for control
> checks and land, it was time to start the drop back to pattern altitute
> for landing. I still had the need for significant back pressure on the
> stick. Luckily as the speed dropped to 65-70mph the backpressure required
> also dropped making the landing approach a lot less exciting than I
> thought at first it might be. Knowing I had to continue to hold back stick
> , I extended the downwind leg figuring it would give me more time for the
> final lineup. All went well. The zodiac is a really well behaved plane,
> and was very stable through the base and final. I came over the fence at
> 65mph and settled right on the numbers. Full stop was in about 350feet
>
> All suggestions for fixes to alleviate the elevator backpressure are
> appreciated. Since the pressure varied with speed, I assume it is
> probably a misalignment of incidence between the wing,fuse and/or stab.
> I'll be checking that out on Monday.
>
> Thanks to everyone on the list for your comments, suggestions and help
> especially to list member Jeff Paris for the familiarization flight.
>
> George May
> Zodiac 601XL 912s
> N221GM
>
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| Subject: | Re: On-line info on making and using form blocks - the results |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Excellent Craig,
It all gets a little easier from here on.
Larry McFarland
do not archive
Craig Payne wrote:
>Thanks for all the pointers and instruction on making and using form blocks.
>The results are attached.
>
>One might ask why I need two luggage shelf bulkheads. Well, the new one on
>the left is 5 mm wider than the old factory one on the right. Why 5 mm? That
>is long story that begins in 1999...
>
>-- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
George: I look forward to seeing the tag line" first flight" from builders I have
followed. Congrats. As far as the stick pressure I riveted a tab on the trim
tab that sticks out about 1"" and bends down at a 30 deg angle. Solved the
problem. Jack in los Osos Ca
On 10/15/06, george may < gfmjr_20@hotmail.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message
posted by: "george may" < gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Well folks, this list has helped to launch another Zodiac. On Saturday
morning at about 9:00AM, N221GM launched off for its first flight. Sky was
crystal clear, winds calm, and the foliage of New England outstanding. Take
off occurred after about a 450 foot run with a climbout at 85mph. I'm using
a dynon system for EFIS and forgot to set it up with VSI, so my best guess
is that the climb was about 600-700fpm. No attempt was made for a max
climb, just a relatively gently one. I climbed to 2500ft, took a deep
breath, enjoyed the secenery for a couple of minutes and gently circled the
field checking out pitch, roll and yaw. With everything in the green engine
wise the only issued appeared to be the need for continuous back pressure on
the elevator which could not be trimmed out. Speed was 95-100mph
Since the preflight plan was take off, climb to 2500, circle for control
checks and land, it was time to start the drop back to pattern altitute for
landing. I still had the need for significant back pressure on the stick.
Luckily as the speed dropped to 65-70mph the backpressure required also
dropped making the landing approach a lot less exciting than I thought at
first it might be. Knowing I had to continue to hold back stick , I extended
the downwind leg figuring it would give me more time for the final lineup.
All went well. The zodiac is a really well behaved plane, and was very
stable through the base and final. I came over the fence at 65mph and
settled right on the numbers. Full stop was in about 350feet
All suggestions for fixes to alleviate the elevator backpressure are
appreciated. Since the pressure varied with speed, I assume it is probably
a misalignment of incidence between the wing,fuse and/or stab. I'll be
checking that out on Monday.
Thanks to everyone on the list for your comments, suggestions and help
especially to list member Jeff Paris for the familiarization flight.
George May
Zodiac 601XL 912s
N221GM
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Tow Bar for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
We have never seen the need for a tow bar. We routinely push down on the
tail. BUT: I always put my forearm along the spar of the horizontal
stabilizer, and push down on the spar. Then, there is no problem.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ CH601HD with R912S, Waterloo/Toronto/Ottawa
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| Subject: | 912 engine for a 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Hi all, it's official, I am the proud owner of a
slightly used 912ul. I picked up an eBay auction item
on Friday evening. The engine has had a prop strike
and will need to be inspected before flight but it
starts and runs well so hopefully everthing will check
out OK. The engine accessories were included as was a
cracked 701 cowl and a basic instrument panel and a
GSC prop hub.
Next question, does anyone on this list know of a John
Johnson from the Springfield/Branson, MO area who
built a 701 in the last few years? He was the
original owner of this engine and I would like to ask
him a few questions. If he is on the list or if
someone knows how to contact him could you please send
me a off list note to dougsnash AT yahoo.com.
Thanks
Doug MacDonald
NW Ontario, Canada
CH-701 Scratch builder
Working on the cabin
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| Subject: | The "Do not archive" thing |
+++ My zenith-list digest of 10/13/06 contained this exchange:
________________________________ Message 21
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Time: 06:23:43 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Do Not Archive
S---- if you think something should be posted in the archives for your
future reference or someone else's, PLEASE. Hit the reply button, trim
the excess & remove ALL the "Do Not Archive" that still exist and resend
it. I've had several of my posts preserved by others when I thought of
them as just a current bit of info. The hit the "send" button.
----- Original Message -----
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<about:blank>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Do Not Archive
I've noticed that the "Do Not Archive" appears on many questions and
answers
that really SHOULD be archived. In the past, it was just a matter of
going back through the archives to find the answer to a question but now
it seems we had better start saving these emails if we ever want to find
the answers again (without having to re-ask the same question).
Please check your responses and if it involves a reasonable answer to
a question, try to leave off the Do Not Archive. Just my 2 cents worth.
Do Not Archive
+++ This "do not archive" label is not used enough! The very first
message of this same digest had a request for 601 steering boots, a
topic so covered in the archives that you can even find the part numbers
from Yamaha.
If listers are going to be so lazy as to request info on everything
rather than do a little research, then the family of listers will
diminish as older builders - those with the building behind and the
flying in the present, those with the answers, not just the speculation
- will leave our group. I'm waiting for the rivet and primer wars to
begin anew someday.
And fellows, if you're smart enough to build and aircraft you're smart
enough to follow list guidelines from our host, Mr. Dralle. ***DO NOT
attach the entire previous message to your post!!! If you think the
internet is for bull sessions and debate instigation, there are plenty
of left and right wing political sites out there - which is where you
belong.
Flame away (after you've gone and read the zenith-list guidelines).
Jeff Small HDS/3300 285 hours
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| Subject: | 701 elevator attachment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ryan Vechinski" <brothapig@hotmail.com>
Ok fellow 701 builders, I have yet another H.S./Elevator question (seems
like the closer I get to completing the tail, the more problems I have!)
I am at the point now of attaching the elevator to the H.S. I have missed
in the plans, and neglected, to place the elevator center hinge bracket
1.5mm off the center line of the H.S. I placed mine right on the center
line. What this has done is shifted the elevator over by 1.5mm due to the
bushing and washer thickness of the hinge.
I could fabricate a new hinge bracket and gusset, place them at the correct
location, and back drill the holes. (I checked and have enough material in
the flange) Or, I could leave it go.
Am I chasing the "perfect plane" by redoing the center hinge bracket, or is
this a valid concern?
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering The CH701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:11:24 -0700 (PDT), Gary Gower wrote:
>Hello Chris,
>
>Dont remeber right now how tall was... But with the propeller in a "Y"
>position, the rudder was just a little higher than the propeller. A
>almost "normal" height enclosed trailer can be made.
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower
Sounds like a good system, Gary. Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: First FlightFirst Flight |
EXCELLENT GEORGE !
do not archive
Rick
Sharpsburg, GA. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 elevator attachment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Ryan. We're talking about 1/16" here. If there are no other problems other than
off center I would let it go. In fact I WILL let it go. I"m about to fit my h.s.
and elevator and don't recall anything about offsetting the hinge 1.5mm. It's
been a while since I finished them. Maybe I did and maybe I did'nt.
Another way to look at it. There are probably a few other discrepancies here and
there. 1mm this way and 1mm the other way. Law of averages says they might even
out. I'll hit this point next wekend. If I'm off only .062" I'll be very happy.
My 10c......Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Congratulations George.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | painting with a furnace |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hi guys,
Ive posted this as perhaps something good to know. Fall warmth is spent
and Ive been holding off finish painting the fuselage as temps drop off
into the 50s. Im using AFS paints and had concern for the flammability
of water thinned paint. After speaking with Hangar 21, I learned that
the paint was formally flash tested by spraying the 2-part paint
directly across the open flame of a tank heater. It wouldnt generate a
fire. This was good news as I have a furnace in the garage and was able
to continue to spray in my booth and hold things at the required 70 to
85 degrees.
I was also advised that AFS primer would not be forgiving of spraying in
proximity of an open flame or furnace, but I am finally done with primer.
Have a good one,
Larry McFarland 601HDS Painting nearly done. www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: painting with a furnace |
I have been thinking about the same thing recently as it is time to fire up
the house furnace and I work in the basement. Would you assume the concern
over potentially explosive primer applies to other "rattle can" primers,
such as the NAPA primer some folks have had good luck with?
Michael
do not archive
On 10/16/06, LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I've posted this as perhaps something good to know. Fall warmth is spent
> and I've been holding off finish painting the fuselage as temps drop off
> into the 50s. I'm using AFS paints and had concern for the flammability
> of water thinned paint. After speaking with Hangar 21, I learned that
> the paint was formally flash tested by spraying the 2-part paint
> directly across the open flame of a tank heater. It wouldn't generate a
> fire. This was good news as I have a furnace in the garage and was able
> to continue to spray in my booth and hold things at the required 70 to
> 85 degrees.
>
> I was also advised that AFS primer would not be forgiving of spraying in
> proximity of an open flame or furnace, but I am finally done with primer.
>
> Have a good one,
>
> Larry McFarland ' 601HDS Painting nearly done. www.macsmachine.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: painting with a furnace |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ryan Vechinski" <brothapig@hotmail.com>
Another thing to keep in mind with the furnace running is that the fumes
will be distributed throughout the house...learned that one the hard way.
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| Subject: | Muffler dimensions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
Good morning to everyone!
CH701, 912A and self made exhaust system:
I need dimensions for muffler. It's diameter and length.
Also I like to get EDGE distance measured from muffler
edge to pipe edge for those 4 exhaust pipes coming from
engine to the muffler can.
I have only one opportunity (a way too much job at work)
in this week to visit our local metal suplier. I have already
all other parts in my hands except sheets to make muffler can.
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